I got these from lay it low, I thought some of you may respect the work that goes into some lowriders.

Its truely amazing what can be accomplished by a couple of skilled guys.

converting it to a 2 door convertible I would never have dreamed of such a thing

my dream car would actually be a fleetwood the same length but a convertible I just don't know how to tackle the hole issue with the pillar in between the 2 doors or else I might be tempted to spend 10,000 one day to turn my car into a convertible :bighead:

I got these from lay it low, I thought some of you may respect the work that goes into some lowriders.
Nothing wrong with trying to revive the big body RWD coupe.

Nothing wrong with trying to revive the big body RWD coupe.I know I was being a smart ass, there is a lot of ignorant people on here.

There are a lot of ignorant people on here.

Sorry couldn't resist.

I can see that you're trying to show the work involved, but I'd venture to say that judging from the pictures alone, those would indeed be ruined Fleetwoods. Maybe some "after" pics are in order.

Actually, both look like very cool projects, though I think it would have been a better match to use the rear center brake light from a last gen Seville, rather than a CTS/STS, just because it would fit the car better size and style wise.

Regardless of how the people end up "trimming out" these cars to a final product, they're both very cool!

Now just hope they don't get a lot of tacky add-on's or freakish color combo's that look more cheapo ricer than cool, classy Caddy.... :thumbsup:

There are a lot of ignorant people on here.

Sorry couldn't resist.

I can see that you're trying to show the work involved, but I'd venture to say that judging from the pictures alone, those would indeed be ruined Fleetwoods. Maybe some "after" pics are in order.I will post up the finished pics, these are obviously under construction.

Lowcos, those look like they're going to be nice when finished. Keep us updated.

That sounds like it will be a neat project! 94-96 Conv Fleetwood!

I like the touch of the newer STS 3rd brakelight!

Maybe someone should take one a make a 94 RWD Deville complete with N*!

oh where would car customization be without lowriding?

oh where would car customization be without lowriding?

Chip Foose could answer that one for you. ;)

Chip Foose could answer that one for you. ;)

AGREED, 100%....lowridiing is simply one, albeit large, aspect of car customization. There are other, countless, ways to modify a car (i.e., something that Foose might do) that can have NOTHING to do with lowering, slamming, airbagging, etc., and the final result can still be astounding.

Regardless, these two Fleetwoods at hand are amazing even in the "semi-" shape they're in now. :thumbsup:

Actually on that note, I've always wished I could buy a slightly ragged '93-96 Fleetwood, move to CA, and have my closest friend "suprise" me with a Foose "Overhaulin" speciality....or just penny up the $$$ and have someone make such a transformation without the move and TV show :yup:

I wanna see the final product, I love Lowriders, even though I looked at the LRM w/ the 2 door 93 Fleetwood back in the day I don't have the best of Cadillacs issue and need my memory refreshed on the other post I did no one ever posted the final product. I've been hearing about the convertible conversions and want to see the finished product. please post any pics you have of either one and include interior pics please, cuz I wanna see if they can make it look stock.

AGREED, 100%....lowridiing is simply one, albeit large, aspect of car customization. There are other, countless, ways to modify a car (i.e., something that Foose might do) that can have NOTHING to do with lowering, slamming, airbagging, etc., and the final result can still be astounding.

Regardless, these two Fleetwoods at hand are amazing even in the "semi-" shape they're in now. :thumbsup:

Actually on that note, I've always wished I could buy a slightly ragged '93-96 Fleetwood, move to CA, and have my closest friend "suprise" me with a Foose "Overhaulin" speciality....or just penny up the $$$ and have someone make such a transformation without the move and TV show :yup:

yes but lowriding is older than chip foose.

I know I was being a smart ass, there is a lot of ignorant people on here.
Why do you call people that dont like lowriders ignorant?

Now back to the vert Fleet. This is the stage of completion that I would want to buy the car and finish it my way. Give it a few weeks and they will have it hopping up and down on tiny wheels with a real loud paint job, basically making it all silly.

Why do you call people that dont like lowriders ignorant?

Now back to the vert Fleet. This is the stage of completion that I would want to buy the car and finish it my way. Give it a few weeks and they will have it hopping up and down on tiny wheels with a real loud paint job, basically making it all silly.

statements like that man. hey lowriding aint your thing, we get it, but that doesnt mean you can put it down. i dont like riced out cars but i still give them respect when i see one that is done up nice. hey good job man, not my thing but its cool, put a lot of hard work and money into that i can tell. thats it, not that is stupid and silly and you are a retard for doing that.

statements like that man. hey lowriding aint your thing, we get it, but that doesnt mean you can put it down. i dont like riced out cars but i still give them respect when i see one that is done up nice. hey good job man, not my thing but its cool, put a lot of hard work and money into that i can tell. thats it, not that is stupid and silly and you are a retard for doing that.
I dont understand that whole giving someone respect because of what they have done to their car thing, period. If I see a car I like, its cool; I like it. If I dont like it, then I just dont like it. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect, its personal taste. To me a car that bounces with a loud stereo and ridiculous paint job is not something I like. I dont respect the cars nor disrespect the car/owner, I just think it looks goofy. :alchi: And I'm not putting them down, I just dont like them, how do I change that?. Besides who cares about putting a car down?. Seriously, I could care less if you called my Caddy/Mercedes/GMC or Camry ugly or whatever. I have my reasons for driving what I do and could care less what someone thinks. Its my transportation and reflects MY taste. I think riced out cars look stupid and I would never own one let alone respect the damn thing.

I dont understand that whole giving someone respect because of what they have done to their car thing, period. If I see a car I like, its cool; I like it. If I dont like it, then I just dont like it. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect, its personal taste. To me a car that bounces with a loud stereo and ridiculous paint job is not something I like. I dont respect the cars nor disrespect the car/owner, I just think it looks goofy. :alchi:

AGREED. While I really dislike such vehicles, I still have respect for the owners, as everything is a matter of personal taste. Like, for instance, I can't stand most shades of blue on a car (and loathe blue interiors... :ill: ), but I understand there's a large portion of people who absolutely love it. That's their choice, and their welcome to it.

So just cut the disrespect/ignorant harpings, and get over yourself. If you like it, great. If you don't, awesome. Just move on and simply comment as you like on the pictures you see, in a semi-intelligent fashion. ;)

yes but lowriding is older than chip foose.

Hot Rodding is older than Low Riding.

So quit with the world would stop turning if it weren't for low riders rhetoric. It makes you sound like a kid. I know, I used to say the same stupid things about VW's when I was your age.

Lowriding has one magazine. The Imports have more than one magazine. Trucks have more than one magazine and Hot Rod's have more than all of them combined.

When Pancho Whitey wins an award in the oldest custom car contest, let us know.

To get this back on topic, I'll ask a question--when vehicles like this, or mostly limos are built, how do they get/make exact replicas of body side molding and trim for the either customized or extended sections? Like, for instance, when building a '93-96 Fleetwood limo, how is the new long chrome panel and gray rub strip made? A mold?

So quit with the world would stop turning if it weren't for low riders rhetoric. It makes you sound like a kid. I know, I used to say the same stupid things about VW's when I was your age.

i would like to know where i said this? i said where would car customization be without lowriding? yes hot rodding is older than lowriding, i know that. you need to quit trying to start arguments old man, that is all you are trying to do, QUIT! if you dont like it, click the X on the top of your screen and stay away from this place. respect is all i ask. pull your head out of your ass and get it straight.

respect is all i ask.

I'm not disrespecting you, kid.

I also haven't been disprecting lowriders.

But come on. Do you really think that low riders were the first car customizers to convert a hard top into a convertable?

Do you think they were the first to turn a 4-door into a 2-door?

Very few low riders if any, have been chopped or channeled.

Shaved door handles? Not introduced by low riders. Shaved chrome? Not introduced by low riders.

The real question is where would the auto industry be without Hot Rods? We would never have the Plymouth Prowler, Chrysler PT Cruiser, Chevy SSR or the Chevy HHR.

So how many of todays car's have been inspired by low riders?

I respect them and I even might build one someday, but their influence isn't as great as you seem to think.

Because while Low Riders have been featured at the Peterson, Hot Rods have a permanant display.

I'm not disrespecting you, kid.

I also haven't been disprecting lowriders.

But come on. Do you really think that low riders were the first car customizers to convert a hard top into a convertable?

Do you think they were the first to turn a 4-door into a 2-door?

Very few low riders if any, have been chopped or channeled.

Shaved door handles? Not introduced by low riders. Shaved chrome? Not introduced by low riders.

The real question is where would the auto industry be without Hot Rods? We would never have the Plymouth Prowler, Chrysler PT Cruiser, Chevy SSR or the Chevy HHR.

So how many of todays car's have been inspired by low riders?

I respect them and I even might build one someday, but their influence isn't as great as you seem to think.

Because while Low Riders have been featured at the Peterson, Hot Rods have a permanant display.

ok i went back and some of what i said was out of line, i am man enough to admit my mistakes so i apologize. in reference to hot rods, yes, hot rods were the original form of car customization. i know that, i dont dispute that. lowriding and hot roding are the two oldest forms of car customization. but we arent getting our due. i dont know anything about the pt cruisers or hhrs and i dont see hot rods in them. lowriding has always been underground and will probably remain underground. sure Chevy used them in a few commercials but other than that what? i said where would it be? lowriding kept it alive. you cant say it didnt. i know both have always been around but when hot rodding turned into just dropping a big engine in a small car and cutting holes in the frame to make them lighter, what happened? you see my angle?

I dont understand that whole giving someone respect because of what they have done to their car thing, period. If I see a car I like, its cool; I like it. If I dont like it, then I just dont like it. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect, its personal taste. To me a car that bounces with a loud stereo and ridiculous paint job is not something I like. I dont respect the cars nor disrespect the car/owner, I just think it looks goofy. :alchi: And I'm not putting them down, I just dont like them, how do I change that?. Besides who cares about putting a car down?. Seriously, I could care less if you called my Caddy/Mercedes/GMC or Camry ugly or whatever. I have my reasons for driving what I do and could care less what someone thinks. Its my transportation and reflects MY taste. I think riced out cars look stupid and I would never own one let alone respect the damn thing.

i am not asking you to like lowriders. but when you call them silly that is putting them down. if you called my car (RIP) silly, i would take that as a personal comment, as would any lowrider. lets just agree to disagree on this and drop. as far as i know we are cool on everything else so lets not take this any further and piss each other off *extends hand*.

i am not asking you to like lowriders. but when you call them silly that is putting them down. if you called my car (RIP) silly, i would take that as a personal comment, as would any lowrider. lets just agree to disagree on this and drop. as far as i know we are cool on everything else so lets not take this any further and piss each other off *extends hand*.Its cool man. Understand that I dont feel the same way about cars as you. I would not take a criticism about my car personally. In light of everything its still just a bunch of metal/rubber/plastic bolted together no matter what type of car it is. My feelings towards lowriders has nothing to do with you, it most definately is NOT personal. I'm not grouping people that customize their cars in different categories; just the cars; not what I like. I like to customize my cars to look better, drive better and perform better. Its not about show or the "bling" factor for me. I'm not trying to make heads turn.

In other words, adding heavy stereos, much smaller than stock wheels, and hydraulics to a car goes against everything I want in a car. To me, that car is now slower, handles much worse, rides a lot worse, brakes worse and ultimately may not be as safe. On the flip side of the token I understand that to each his own. I would never approach you on the street and tell you that your car looked silly or whatever to me because that would make it personal against you. You like what you drive and if customizing it a certain way makes you happy to hell with what I think about it and vice versa. Its your money, your time, do what you like. Doesn't mean we cant be friends *extends hand*.

Its cool man. Understand that I dont feel the same way about cars as you. I would not take a criticism about my car personally. In light of everything its still just a bunch of metal/rubber/plastic bolted together no matter what type of car it is. My feelings towards lowriders has nothing to do with you, it most definately is NOT personal. I'm not grouping people that customize their cars in different categories; just the cars; not what I like. I like to customize my cars to look better, drive better and perform better. Its not about show or the "bling" factor for me. I'm not trying to make heads turn.

In other words, adding heavy stereos, much smaller than stock wheels, and hydraulics to a car goes against everything I want in a car. To me, that car is now slower, handles much worse, rides a lot worse, brakes worse and ultimately may not be as safe. On the flip side of the token I understand that to each his own. I would never approach you on the street and tell you that your car looked silly or whatever to me because that would make it personal against you. You like what you drive and if customizing it a certain way makes you happy to hell with what I think about it and vice versa. Its your money, your time, do what you like. Doesn't mean we cant be friends *extends hand*.

cool *shakes hand* friends.

cool *shakes hand* friends.Awww guys:grouphug: we all friends now. Hi buddies,hi pals. BTW just because we're friends doesn't mean you guys can call me collect( well,only if necessary):D

lowriding kept it alive. you cant say it didnt.

Other fads may come and go, but people will always build low riders and hot rods.

Other fads may come and go, but people will always build low riders and hot rods.

amen brother! agreed 100%.

Lowriders don't get the respect they deserve at all, I don't understand why theres all these shows showing choppers and hot rods being built and non sense like on monster garage and no show showing lowriders being built. I'm not impressed by hot rods for the most part they're tacky, with played out flames and the same ol' cragars. Making an engine faster is great, but some lowriders take customization to levels that are actually more unique. yes there are tacky lowriders but thats going to happen in any type of car customization. I went to the Lowrider show in San Antonio today, and it was the best car show by far I'd ever been to. It actually had the kind of cars I like, and some of em were just mind blowing.

Lowriders don't get the respect they deserve at all, I don't understand why theres all these shows showing choppers and hot rods being built and non sense like on monster garage and no show showing lowriders being built.

Probably because more people like/build those car's than lowriders.

That's what I keep trying to tell you guys. Lowriders is still an obscure niche of car customizing. Hot Rods are mainstream.

I'm not impressed by hot rods for the most part they're tacky, with played out flames and the same ol' cragars.

People still use Cragers where you live?

I would never use Cragars on my car because I think they are as played out as the same ol' 14" Daytons!! :lildevil:

Lowriders don't get the respect they deserve at all, I don't understand why theres all these shows showing choppers and hot rods being built and non sense like on monster garage and no show showing lowriders being built. I'm not impressed by hot rods for the most part they're tacky, with played out flames and the same ol' cragars. Making an engine faster is great, but some lowriders take customization to levels that are actually more unique. yes there are tacky lowriders but thats going to happen in any type of car customization. I went to the Lowrider show in San Antonio today, and it was the best car show by far I'd ever been to. It actually had the kind of cars I like, and some of em were just mind blowing.

I feel ya, because I too get sick of seeing the same old, same old....fix it up, paint some flames on it or some other bright job and slap the same wheels on it....DONE.

Yeah, that's great sometimes, but it also gets a little old. While I'm no fan of lowriders, I'd be very interested to see everything that goes into it, maybe via yet another show.

On area I'm definately not a fan of is "Pimp my Ride". Now granted, they do take cars that are quite the disaster and MASSIVELY turn them around, but before long, it goes way TOO far, especially with things like monitors in the outside bumpers, fishtanks in the back seat, etc....all for people, who it seems a lot of times, have ratty cars because they simply care less and beat the living hell out of them. It'd be really interesting to see a "follow-up" to Pimp my Ride and see just how many of those cars are actually still in one piece....let alone scraped, dented, smashed, etc. already again.... ;)

Probably because more people like/build those car's than lowriders.

That's what I keep trying to tell you guys. Lowriders is still an obscure niche of car customizing. Hot Rods are mainstream.

More people are into Lowriders than you think though, I think because Lowriders get confused for being gang related ( a lot of people use lowriding as a positive way to get away from gang bangin), because the majority of lowriders are hispanics, and because most people into lowriding are broke like myself are the reasons why theres no lowrider tv show and why its not more mainstream.

People still use Cragers where you live?

I would never use Cragars on my car because I think they are as played out as the same ol' 14" Daytons!! :lildevil:

I've seen those played out cragars all over the net, and on hot rods for sale, and some at car shows, And yes you know I agree with those lil' Daytons being played out.

Damn, go to Vegas for the weekend and all hell breaks loose.

vegas huh? did you win me some millions so i can retire?:)

...because most people into lowriding are broke like myself are the reasons why theres no lowrider tv show and why its not more mainstream.

One reason Low Riding isn't mainstream, is that most people don't need nor do they desire a car that hops. To most people, hydraulics is a waste of money. To those that want performance, hydraulics are simply too heavy.

Another reason is that 'old guys' are buying these 'old cars' to relive their pasts. They never built a low rider, so they aren't spending their money on one now.

vegas huh? did you win me some millions so i can retire?:)Didnt win anything, but didnt spend to much either.

One reason Low Riding isn't mainstream, is that most people don't need nor do they desire a car that hops. To most people, hydraulics is a waste of money. To those that want performance, hydraulics are simply too heavy.

Another reason is that 'old guys' are buying these 'old cars' to relive their pasts. They never built a low rider, so they aren't spending their money on one now.

but lowriding is about more than your car hopping, I want air ride on my Cadillac, just so I can make it sit low and change how low it is when I need it to (hince LOW riding). Also I'd like to be able to do 3 wheel motion which I think you have to have hydraulics for. At the same time if a car is too clean I think you should leave it alone. So you can't classify me.

but lowriding is about more than your car hopping, I want air ride on my Cadillac, just so I can make it sit low and change how low it is when I need it to (hince LOW riding). Also I'd like to be able to do 3 wheel motion which I think you have to have hydraulics for. At the same time if a car is too clean I think you should leave it alone. So you can't classify me.

you dont need hydraulics to kick a three wheel. my buddy jimmy had bags in his Fleetwood and he could three wheel with the best of us.

Didnt win anything, but didnt spend to much either.

spent all your money on hookers and booze didnt ya?:alchi::tisk:

spent all your money on hookers and booze didnt ya?:alchi::tisk:Honestly I didnt drink at all, I have a real bad acid reflux, cant really drink, I did a little gambling, as far as hookers me and the wife thought it would be fun but would probobly never do it.:crowded:

Honestly I didnt drink at all, I have a real bad acid reflux, cant really drink, I did a little gambling, as far as hookers me and the wife thought it would be fun but would probobly never do it.:crowded:


i believe you... no really i do! just go down for a weekend getaway? wish i could do that, unfortunately vegas is too far away for that. it would be fun though.

you dont need hydraulics to kick a three wheel. my buddy jimmy had bags in his Fleetwood and he could three wheel with the best of us.

Now I want them even worse I've been on Lowrider sites and a lot of the people are against airbags, and are strictly hydros, and someone was asking how to do 3 wheel motion with airbags and everbody was like get hydraulics.
Maybe when I pay off the Fleetwood I'll try to get em.

Now I want them even worse I've been on Lowrider sites and a lot of the people are against airbags, and are strictly hydros, and someone was asking how to do 3 wheel motion with airbags and everbody was like get hydraulics.
Maybe when I pay off the Fleetwood I'll try to get em.You can 3 wheel with bags but wont be very high, and you will have to go around a corner pretty fast to get it off, just get hydraulics.

i cant remember how jimmy had his bag system setup but we re-wired it so he could do each bag individually. he could dump that back corner and kick a three wheel as good as any car with juice. it is easier to do it with hydraulics though so i will say go with hydros.

Here is some updated pics, nice work.

Another

damn those look good! i love the trunk on that second one.

Lowcos, those are sweet. Reminds me of the old cars of the 70's where the coupes were just as long or longer than sedans:D Long, Low, and Chromed. Excellent work.

On the subject of "Ruined Fleetwoods"....I am doing a"Fleetwoody" using a 1976 Fleetwood 75 chassis with "corporate' wagon clamshell rear. Dual airs and room for the dogs while towing a LARGE trailer. Since I don't do pick-ups this is the best alternative. JOEY

Cool, sounds like it is a neat project. Are you starting with a Hearse or a BOP wagon and adding Cadillac body/interior?

Those cars share a lot with the 77-96 bretheren in the brake catagory. According to Bill Harper, our resisdent brake guru, the 71-76 GM B/C/D cars shared parts, but in an interesting way.

Similarities: 5x5, 12".
Differences: 1.25" thick rotors and wider calipers in 71-76. 1" thick rotors and narrower calipers in 77-96 (save changes for ABS, that is another topic)

Now, the interesting part, like all GM we can mix and match!!:
9C1 (cop cars) used the 71-76 Calipers on our 1" rotor. As 9C1 cars got extra thick long life pads.
You can install the 1.25" rotors on the 77-96 cars (ex ABS for now), but you must install the 71-76 calipers, and run the thin std pads
OR
you can install the 1" rotors and the 71-76 calipers and get the long life like the 9C1.
OR
you can install both the 1.25" rotors and the 71-76 Calipers and get std life pads and HD rotors that will dissapate more heat. ABS is a problem, maybe someone like Katshot can help us with moving the ABS reluctor ring to the 1.25" rotor.

I would bet these larger parts were retained on the limos, and Katshot is our resident Limo expert.

Ok, more than you wanted to know....

A couple more pics.

After seeing how that retrofit of the lighting around the lip of the trunk looks, my '97 SDV will be getting that done to it for next spring. It looks awesome!!

A couple more pics.
Yeah, thats awesome I've been considering having my done but I'm gonna do it differently than anyone else, I've got it drawn Just no funds.
I Love My FLeetwood but Its one of the few sedans I really like, I'm more a Coupe type.

Nice cars! I would say they got the classy look down.

By the way, Glad everyone is friends again. A lot of people just don't understand and or have different opinions.
Oh and also one other thing I just want to add and I don't mean to do this to make any body upset again but I just cant let it go.
One of the biggest reasons why Lowriders haven't won any of the major custom car awards is because for a long time now Lowriders have not been allowed to compete. It used to be the same way with Hotrods and Customs at a lot of shows and is currently happening to the forgive me for using this term "Rat Rod" crowed.
Now if you go to a car show or cruise night a lot of the time you wont even be allowed in if your in a lowrider or if in their opinion your in a lowrider.
For instance here in San Bernardino CA at the Route 66 ravenous they used to not allow lowridwers until a local lowrider club decided to start their own cruise down the street and was getting a lot of attendance.
Also one more thing is that unlike Hotrods and or Customs, Lowriders started in East La within the Latino community. This alone is reason enough for some people to not like and discriminate against lowriders over the years.
So if some of us get a little sensitive when some one says hey your car is a piece of crap or that thing is just silly. You will have to forgive us but to us but to us it IS a personal attack.
For the record I like anything on wheels. Craftsmanship is what really matters.

Nice cars! I would say they got the classy look down.

By the way, Glad everyone is friends again. A lot of people just don't understand and or have different opinions.
Oh and also one other thing I just want to add and I don't mean to do this to make any body upset again but I just cant let it go.
One of the biggest reasons why Lowriders haven't won any of the major custom car awards is because for a long time now Lowriders have not been allowed to compete. It used to be the same way with Hotrods and Customs at a lot of shows and is currently happening to the forgive me for using this term "Rat Rod" crowed.
Now if you go to a car show or cruise night a lot of the time you wont even be allowed in if your in a lowrider or if in their opinion your in a lowrider.
For instance here in San Bernardino CA at the Route 66 ravenous they used to not allow lowridwers until a local lowrider club decided to start their own cruise down the street and was getting a lot of attendance.
Also one more thing is that unlike Hotrods and or Customs, Lowriders started in East La within the Latino community. This alone is reason enough for some people to not like and discriminate against lowriders over the years.
So if some of us get a little sensitive when some one says hey your car is a piece of crap or that thing is just silly. You will have to forgive us but to us but to us it IS a personal attack.
For the record I like anything on wheels. Craftsmanship is what really matters.

you should live in E. TN!!!!!!! there aint no lowriders alowed in any show. not even them honda boy ones man! i went to a classic/ hot rod/ custom car show about 3 days before i wrecked my girl and they wouldnt let me in cause "these kind of vehicles arent what we want in the show." i got discriminated against alot. like, there was a 92 Caprice with 22s in the show but they wouldnt let mine in cause i had 14 inch wire wheels and hydraulics. so just to piss them off i parked near the last row. i had more people at my car than any other. i think about 500 people took pictures of my car.

I can understand how you feel. A lot of the top cars being built right now if you were to just change the wheels they would be allowed in just about any car show or cruise night event.
You cant be the best until you can compete against the best and win. Competition brings out the quality.
Back in the R.G. Canning shows when some lowriders started taking top spots at shows it didn't make a lot of the Hotrodders very happy that they were beat by lowriders. And a lot of times a lowrider would still take second or third place to a hotrod that if things were viewed equally wasn't as nice and didn't deserve to win.

I can understand how you feel. A lot of the top cars being built right now if you were to just change the wheels they would be allowed in just about any car show or cruise night event.
You cant be the best until you can compete against the best and win. Competition brings out the quality.
Back in the R.G. Canning shows when some lowriders started taking top spots at shows it didn't make a lot of the Hotrodders very happy that they were beat by lowriders. And a lot of times a lowrider would still take second or third place to a hotrod that if things were viewed equally wasn't as nice and didn't deserve to win.I know what you guys mean, I lost to a stock pt cruiser, and a stock camero at a local show, But I still love going to the small shows.

I know what you guys mean, I lost to a stock pt cruiser, and a stock camero at a local show, But I still love going to the small shows.

atleast you got to be in the show!!!! shit they told me, "we dont want to be associated with that kind of thing." and other stupid things like that. man i get nothing but hate from these old people with their classics. i went through one show and hopped the hell out of it, that pissed them off and they called the police. i told the officer i didnt know what the problem was, i was on private property during open hours. no ticket, hehe. kicked a three on the way out after the show. told one guy id juice the hell out of his 60 something Pontiac Catalina (i think that is what it was).

A couple things that were said earlier also have been bugging me since yesterday.
Hotrod saint wile I agree with you on some issues and you make some good points as well, there are a few things that just lower your credibility. It’s ok to not know everything. Heck nobody does. But you shouldn’t go around preaching if you really don’t know. That’s speaking out of ignorance and I know from reading your post that you are not.

1. "Lowriding has one magazine. The Imports have more than one magazine. Trucks have more than one magazine and Hot Rod's have more than all of them combined."

Lowrider magazine is not and has never been the only lowrider automobile magazine. It has just been the longest lasting and has grown to be the largest distributed.
There are currently several magazines exclusivly marketed towards the lowriding community. Just because you don’t know about them or they aren’t owned by a large publishing company (which lowrider magazine wasn’t a part of until a few years ago) doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

2. "Another reason is that 'old guys' are buying these 'old cars' to relive their pasts. They never built a low rider, so they aren't spending their money on one now."

The majority of people that are "Old guys" that were lowriding in their younger years weren’t as fortunate financially as a lot of old time hot rodders have been. The main reason for this is that most of these guys were Hispanic. How many old guys that grew up in the rough neighborhoods of LA do you think even made it to be "Old guys" and how many of them do you think went on to college and got equally paying jobs compared to the old mostly white hot rodders? I can tell you it probably isn’t very many. I’m not saying there haven’t been Hispanics that have gone on to become very wealthy just that the numbers would be very small.
But things are changing now. Now that lowriding has grown out of the hoods to be world wide hobby or sport and the fact that things are a lot more equal here in America now compared to 1943 there will be people years from now looking back and saying I want to build my self a car like the one I had when I was young.
Don’t know if you know anything about the Zoot suit riots but wile not every one into lowriding back then was a Zoot suiter it just goes to show you what our parents and grand parents had to go through during those times in terms of discrimination.
If you want to know more about it check here. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/

A couple things that were said earlier also have been bugging me since yesterday.
Hotrod saint wile I agree with you on some issues and you make some good points as well, there are a few things that just lower your credibility. It’s ok to not know everything. Heck nobody does. But you shouldn’t go around preaching if you really don’t know. That’s speaking out of ignorance and I know from reading your post that you are not.

1. "Lowriding has one magazine. The Imports have more than one magazine. Trucks have more than one magazine and Hot Rod's have more than all of them combined."

Lowrider magazine is not and has never been the only lowrider automobile magazine. It has just been the longest lasting and has grown to be the largest distributed.
There are currently several magazines exclusivly marketed towards the lowriding community. Just because you don’t know about them or they aren’t owned by a large publishing company (which lowrider magazine wasn’t a part of until a few years ago) doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

2. "Another reason is that 'old guys' are buying these 'old cars' to relive their pasts. They never built a low rider, so they aren't spending their money on one now."

The majority of people that are "Old guys" that were lowriding in their younger years weren’t as fortunate financially as a lot of old time hot rodders have been. The main reason for this is that most of these guys were Hispanic. How many old guys that grew up in the rough neighborhoods of LA do you think even made it to be "Old guys" and how many of them do you think went on to college and got equally paying jobs compared to the old mostly white hot rodders? I can tell you it probably isn’t very many. I’m not saying there haven’t been Hispanics that have gone on to become very wealthy just that the numbers would be very small.
But things are changing now. Now that lowriding has grown out of the hoods to be world wide hobby or sport and the fact that things are a lot more equal here in America now compared to 1943 there will be people years from now looking back and saying I want to build my self a car like the one I had when I was young.
Don’t know if you know anything about the Zoot suit riots but wile not every one into lowriding back then was a Zoot suiter it just goes to show you what our parents and grand parents had to go through during those times in terms of discrimination.
If you want to know more about it check here. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/ I agree.