I just stopped by Felix Cadillac in downtown LA to check out an XLR in person. It was the first time I've had a chance to see one up close and personal, and as far as the car goes, I was very impressed. However, the reason behind this post is my anger with the dealership. Not only did the woman I spoke to have no idea what she was talking about (said it was based on the CTS platform), but the dealership had the audacity to ask 102 thousand dollars for it. Unbelievable. Through their greed and incompitence, dealers are the wrench in the gears of Cadillac's (and GM's) comeback.

Woa, you should contact Cadillac about them. I know 12 year olds who know the XLR isn't on the CTS platform. Congrats on getting to look at the new XLR, I havn't seen one yet in person.

I really want to go see the XLR..... Its nice looking but like the SRX pictures probably dont do it justice..... I went by the caddy dealership last weekend and I still kick myself for not getting out and looking at it up close!!!

102 grand??? They only want 85 off caddys website!!!!

Have the started coming to dealer showrooms yet....

I stopped to see one today, at a Caddy dealer near me. I loved the car, hated the color: Silver. Did NOTHING for the car in Silver. BLAH-CITY. Really comfortable, sitting in it. Killer good looks. They offerred it to me for %77,500.00.
(Of course not - I would never pay $77,500 for a car) ~ Only $20,000 down & $1,650 @ month.......... Sounds like a "deal" :bonkers:

My dad works for GM and I've already asked him to pass on the info to where it will do the most good. It's just frustrating that GM has no control over the dealerships and the dealers who are really the only contact the consumer has with the company. A bad dealer experience can turn a consumer off to an entire brand, so it is unfortunate that automobile companies have no way to discipline or screen their dealers.

... It's just frustrating that GM has no control over the dealerships and the dealers who are really the only contact the consumer has with the company. A bad dealer experience can turn a consumer off to an entire brand, so it is unfortunate that automobile companies have no way to discipline or screen their dealers.

This is EXACTLY the same with Harley-Davidson. The factory sets the MSRP but its damn hard to find a dealership that'll sell it one at MSRP. The factory really doesn't care in that the dealership already bought it from them. At that point its up to the dealership to sell it for whatever the market will bear. Even if it sells at List, the dealership ends up making a handsome profit but many wil stilll price them from $500 to $4000 over list!

..rickko..

Recently, I even had a dealer tell me that they added the extra pricing "when they were forced too!"

Needless to say, I left that dealer and will never go back. No one forces someone to attempt to rip off their customers. So not only are they opposed to their customers, they are dishonest in addition.

Adding the dealer packs, of course, is legal. It also is scummy, and I see no reason to support it. While Cadillac cannot stop it, they certainly can prioritize their dealings with their dealers to put such scum in their place.

This is EXACTLY the same with Harley-Davidson. The factory sets the MSRP but its damn hard to find a dealership that'll sell it one at MSRP. The factory really doesn't care in that the dealership already bought it from them. At that point its up to the dealership to sell it for whatever the market will bear. Even if it sells at List, the dealership ends up making a handsome profit but many wil stilll price them from $500 to $4000 over list!

..rickko..

the xlr here is selling at 91k extra cash is from it being a ed morse edition , this means it has a speical car wax , mink oil on the seats and a bigger ed morse sticker this and adjusted market valuve driove it from its normal 85-87 k to 91k

the car was purchased before it got there , dealer required the customer to sit around and wait till the dealer was done letting ti collect dust in the showroom , even after saying that i still think ed morse is the best caddy dealer in central florida , very nice people and they were as knollagble (if not more) than i was regarding the xlr

Saw one at my local dealer. Sticker price from factory $76,000, dealers price $96,000. I heard of paying over sticker but is this legal?????? I'm sure some rich moron will pay the $20,000 over sticker. Like I always say there is an @**hole for every seat.:)

Most of the Caddy dealers in LA should have their franchise revoked. I once went into Lou Ehlers and asked about a CTS and they had no idea what I was talking about and it was sitting on the showroom floor! (true story)

The only honest dealer in CA is Rydell in Northridge

Cadillac is making great cars but their salespeople are all 90 yrs old and need to be retired. You cant but a MErcedes at a chrsyler dealer so why is Caddy selling their cars at GMC or Pontiac dealers?

All kinds of dealers for all kinds of cars follow the same practice of adding on to the suggested retail price. It's called a market area adjustment. I remember way back when the first Mazda RX7 hit the dealer floor in the 70's. The window sticker said something like $7800. I told the salesman to start talking. He told me since it's a hot car, we'll start around $9800. I told him to start shoving it up his ass. It's an age old tradition.

All kinds of dealers for all kinds of cars follow the same practice of adding on to the suggested retail price. It's called a market area adjustment. I remember way back when the first Mazda RX7 hit the dealer floor in the 70's. The window sticker said something like $7800. I told the salesman to start talking. He told me since it's a hot car, we'll start around $9800. I told him to start shoving it up his ass. It's an age old tradition.


I have one on order production date is the week of January 12, 04. My dealer was only allocated one. I put a 10,000 deposit on the car in March 03. I am paying msrp.. Hope those who want one can find a dealer like mine. Brown and Wood Cadillac in Greenville, NC.

Here, If your looking for a X L R in stock to be shipped anywhere then call Les a forum member . Les has the XLR 's in stock and he does not slap a dealer increase on the car. He will even deal. Same with the S R X. Ask for Les at 1-847 -362 -4100.

the xlr here is selling at 91k extra cash is from it being a ed morse edition , this means it has a speical car wax , mink oil on the seats and a bigger ed morse sticker this and adjusted market valuve driove it from its normal 85-87 k to 91k

the car was purchased before it got there , dealer required the customer to sit around and wait till the dealer was done letting ti collect dust in the showroom , even after saying that i still think ed morse is the best caddy dealer in central florida , very nice people and they were as knollagble (if not more) than i was regarding the xlr

Who is ed morse?

ed morse is the local dealership here in tampa , there based out of ft lauderdale fl

i just saw one. some old lady got it from her husbend for xmass. black is beautiful on it. she showed me the push button start and stuff. she was very cool too, and lucky.

I'm still buying lottery tickets.

I've been seeing lots of them on Ebay lately. Even the Neiman Marcus LTD edition for under 85k. My local dealer declined to order any, but said if I was serious he could get me what I wanted and with GM card discounts and incentives. What a dealer! Sexton's in Harriman, TN. I declined and will wait for them to drop in price like I did on my Allante. I did buy an new Chevy Silveradro from them and got what I thought was an excellent deal. From what has been posted here you could buy one on Ebay and have it delivered to your door for much less that working with those money grubbin dealers.

Hey all,

I happened to be surfing through - I usually stick to the Escalade forums, but have been checking out the XLR myself lately. I would recommend what I think some others have mentioned - find an out-of-state dealer who will ship the car to you if you'd like. That's how I purchased my EXT. I had it shipped from Lund Cadillac in Phoenix, AZ to central Massachusetts.

Granted, point-click-drive for a $70,000+ vehicle had a few snags (my ride was customed by the dealer) but all in all, in the Internet Age, no one has to pay $20,000 over sticker for a car because of a greedy dealer.

(Doesn't hurt that my old man is a 25 year GM plant retiree, and the dealer can't argue with the factory-12% price I'm entitled to - but hey...) :cool:
- Tony

Nice.
If I had discounts like that, I'd be looking at an XLR too. :)

Not only did the woman I spoke to have no idea what she was talking about (said it was based on the CTS platform), but...
Well...actually...that's not too far off. Certainly put *that* way an XLR buyer would be slightly put off but...

The CTS, XLR, SRX and new C6 Corvette are based on GM's Sigma platform. So the CTS and XLR are both based on the Sigma platform, and the XLR and CTS share more in common than do the CTS and SRX...And since the CTS was the first production car based on the Sigma platform, in a distant way, the XLR was based off of it. In fact, when they first began modeling the XLR, they used a CTS chasis and made modifications...But then ultimately redesigned the XLR with it's own version of the Sigma architecture.

Additionally, I have a free allocation of *one* XLR going into the system next week, $5000 deposit and MSRP sale price (not a penny over) and your name is on it (and you pick colors). Should be beginning-May delivery. If interested, please email me (ron@ctsowners.com) or Shannon Brown (hummercad@hotmail.com) with your phone number and we will call you.

C6 and XLR are NOT Sigma vehicles.

C6 and XLR are NOT Sigma vehicles.C6 and XLR are Sigma vehicles. While much of the press indicates that Cadillac decided to use the C6 Convertibles designed platform, and typically indicate that this is separate from the Sigma platform (through misintrepretations of interviews with David Leone), the original Sigma platform, designated as "GM's Performance Car Architecture" was the original platform that the C6 Convertible was based on. This was back in 1999. The Sigma platform was specifically designed as the new convertible-designed platform for the new Corvette. But it was not called the Sigma platform at that time. There is alot of policy and red-tape that goes into why GM won't simply come out and say both are Sigma Platforms, but when asked if they are David Leone simply says "not exactly" (hint- it has to do with Chevy not wanting comparisons)...

The Sigma Platform IS GM's next-generation performance car platform, but it's been mostly attributed to the CTS since that was the first production car to claim it's use. However, the C6, XLR, SRX, '05 STS, CTS, '06 DTS, etc, all are derivitives in some form, trust me. In fact, all GM training materials (in defense of that salesperson), still indicate and claim outright Sigma architecture - in fact I can't find one of these training booklets my salespeople get that doesn't say it...

My point was that there is alot more in common than is given by the "name" of the architecture used...

C6 and XLR are Sigma vehicles. While much of the press indicates that Cadillac decided to use the C6 Convertibles designed platform, and typically indicate that this is separate from the Sigma platform (through misintrepretations of interviews with David Leone), the original Sigma platform, designated as "GM's Performance Car Architecture" was the original platform that the C6 Convertible was based on. This was back in 1999. The Sigma platform was specifically designed as the new convertible-designed platform for the new Corvette. But it was not called the Sigma platform at that time. There is alot of policy and red-tape that goes into why GM won't simply come out and say both are Sigma Platforms, but when asked if they are David Leone simply says "not exactly" (hint- it has to do with Chevy not wanting comparisons)...

The Sigma Platform IS GM's next-generation performance car platform, but it's been mostly attributed to the CTS since that was the first production car to claim it's use. However, the C6, XLR, SRX, '05 STS, CTS, '06 DTS, etc, all are derivitives in some form, trust me. In fact, all GM training materials (in defense of that salesperson), still indicate and claim outright Sigma architecture - in fact I can't find one of these training booklets my salespeople get that doesn't say it...

My point was that there is alot more in common than is given by the "name" of the architecture used...

A rose by any other name...

"The Cadillac XLR, a sporty roadster, was considered a relative bargain until it was discovered it used THIS secret architecture shared with a vehicle 30,000.00 less"

What is... Sigma Alex?]

Ha... just kidding, the XLR is still very much a tribute to technology and performance in its own right and undoubtedly worth it but I mean... the BMW 3 Series convertible totally kicks ass, and if Cadillac got smart and made a 2-Door CTS-V drop-top with retractable roof... man it would so outsell the XLR in a heartbeat, THAT would be a custom id PAY to see someone do. And I KNOW im not crazy because many are doing it, including Audi with the A4 Convertible.

Hi,

XLR:banghead: price in Finland is 149 900 euros, xlr is available here in next month.

A simple question:
What exactly makes the Sigma platform a Sigma?
Hydroformed framing?
Suspension engineering and setup?
A combination of both or something else entirely?

No one have any ideas?
The reason I ask is that the XLR rests on a leaf spring suspension much like the current generation corvette(haven't peeked under a new vette yet, but seeing as it shares platforms with the XLR, I assume it's the same). The Sigma platform uses a double wishbone setup. They both share hydroformed railing, but other than that, I don't see much similarity in structure.
I know the Evoq concept was a Sigma vehicle, but I have my doubts that the XLR is...
Evoq was the design inspiration for the XLR, but their platforms are very different.

Want to feel better? My local Nissan dealer is adding $3,500 to every Titan truck right on the sticker! :histeric: :cookoo: At least with an XLR you are getting something that's not a volume product! :want:

I freaking hate Neiman Marcus.

"The reason I ask is that the XLR rests on a leaf spring suspension much like the current generation corvette(haven't peeked under a new vette yet, but seeing as it shares platforms with the XLR, I assume it's the same). The Sigma platform uses a double wishbone setup. They both share hydroformed railing, but other than that, I don't see much similarity in structure.
I know the Evoq concept was a Sigma vehicle, but I have my doubts that the XLR is..."

gothic you are absolutley right , corvette has always had a transverse leafspring since 1963 , xlr has it also

isnt the cts a unibody ?

if that guy is who he is then i would like to know what a platfrom or arcetecture is nowadays , im old school , i hear same "arcatecture" platform" i think i can take the body off one car and slap it on another (i can put a vette skin on a cts) ....with gmt360 its easy to understand but with epsilon it got confuseing and now with sigma im baffled ...even nissans "FM" is easy to understand

how does sigma differ from kappa ?

CTS is a unibody construction car. Most cadillacs are.

hmm well they cant share much , corvette always has been and always will be a full frame car

After about 2 months researching everything we were ever told/taught/instructed, I have to come back and post that, not knowingly, I was full of s**t. Sorry!:hide:

Seems the real lacking came straight from GM. There is such a confusing array of training information from various GM sources that it seems none of them are true.

So from what I can determine, the CTS and the XLR share nothing as far as underpinnings.

Daddy, am I am man now? :worship:

In the Portland area we have a lot of dealers playing the ADM game. I have never started negotiating at less than $1000 under sticker.

The only reason these dealers pull this crap is because there are a lot of clueless car buyers out there. Lots of them are people who purchase the car without driving it and are complete marks for the monthly payment approach.

I have usually found it nigh impossible to find a dealer who doesn't mark up. This last time, I dealt with a locator service after finishing my test drives. Got my best deal ever.

I have usually found it nigh impossible to find a dealer who doesn't mark up. This last time, I dealt with a locator service after finishing my test drives. Got my best deal ever.
We do not mark-up. MSRP for everything that warrants it, it is our policy to not charge over sticker. However, as of right now, we won't budge off of sticker either :rolleyes: , but that's mainly because we don't mark-up over sticker. Many people have success at hard negotiating with dealers that do mark-up because that particular dealer made more than sticker on the previous sale, etc...

We do not mark-up. MSRP for everything that warrants it, it is our policy to not charge over sticker. However, as of right now, we won't budge off of sticker either :rolleyes: , but that's mainly because we don't mark-up over sticker. Many people have success at hard negotiating with dealers that do mark-up because that particular dealer made more than sticker on the previous sale, etc...
Our policy is the same. In 36 years of doing business we've never sold a car for more than sticker.

We currently have 2 XLRs on our floor which were cancelled orders. One is Xenon Blue with shale and the other is Light Platinum and Shale. We can sell them at MSRP. Anyone interested can E-mail Charlie at sarantcaddy@att.net.

"Seems the real lacking came straight from GM. There is such a confusing array of training information from various GM sources that it seems none of them are true."

its all good brutha ,you had me thinking ..even if it was true i wouldnt have belived it , im a die hard vette fan ,i couldnt deal with CTS based vette

you live in norman eh ? my uncle used to live there worked at the plant , when he was there Olds cutlass ciera/Pont 6000,Buick Century /Chevy Celeb were rolling down the line ....i hear you guys put togther trailblazers and the like now (SSR too?)

Off Topic-

Oaklahoma City = GMT360,370&305 = Short, long, & XUV
Put in the 370 bodyshop

Lansing Craft Centre = SSR

I just attended a tour at the C-6/XLR plant in Bowling Green, KY last week. The tour was directed toward the C-6 for the most part, but "strayed" a little to the XLR line. They build a new vette every 5 min; the XLR comes off the line every 20. There isn't a XLR tour per se, but GM might start if enough interest is generated. There are two tours each day, at 9AM and 1PM. If you're in the area, check it out!

I was down there a year ago for the c5 tour , very awesome

They had a seperate line for XLR , Gm said nothing about the cars dureing the tour but i could clearly see northstars sitting in vette chassis with cadillac interior peices and diffrently shaped windshield frames

yea they go for around 75 around where i'm at. But you gotta love how you open the doors...

I just attended a tour at the C-6/XLR plant in Bowling Green, KY last week. The tour was directed toward the C-6 for the most part, but "strayed" a little to the XLR line. They build a new vette every 5 min; the XLR comes off the line every 20. There isn't a XLR tour per se, but GM might start if enough interest is generated. There are two tours each day, at 9AM and 1PM. If you're in the area, check it out!


Thats interesting hell I didnt even know they were making the XLR there...not that I can afford one untill about 2020 but would like to tour andf only live 45 min from there...thanks for the info...is there a cost to do the tour?

Allen Cadillac at Avery & I-5 in Laguna Niguel where the money is and I bought mine for $1.000 below MSRP and they have two sitting on the floor as I speak. This is a family owned store and I know every member of the family after 6 months of great service and the willingness to help. screw those LA car sharks.

Allen Cadillac at Avery & I-5 in Laguna Niguel where the money is and I bought mine for $1.000 below MSRP and they have two sitting on the floor as I speak. This is a family owned store and I know every member of the family after 6 months of great service and the willingness to help. screw those LA car sharks.

Is the same family as Bewley Allen Cadillac? Edmunds seems to use that dealership on occasion. I know they got their long term STS from there.

Maybe a little behind the times...

Bewley Allen Cadillac is owned by a different Allen family than the dealership in Laguna Niguel.

Bewley Allen Cadillac is a 3rd gen dealership, family owned and operated by Scott Allen (Bewley's grandson).

I loved the car, hated the color: Silver. Did NOTHING for the car in Silver. BLAH-CITY.

i agree, silver just doesn't do the car justice. Now the dark red that you can get the car in looks fantastic.

Like most everyone else ni this thread is saying, some cadillac dealerships just suck. Granted i am only 17 years old, but pretty much everytime i go to my local caddy deralership i am treated like a nobody. They are *******s to me.

This last time that i went to the show room, after looking around for a while with a friend, a salesperson comes up to me so i inquire about the STS-v and guess what. This person points towards the cts-v and says they do have some. I then correct him that i am asking about the STS-v not the cts-v and he looks at me like i am speaking another language. A couple of moments later he then says that they do not have any sts-v's in.

These sales people are unbelievable.

Why is it that people brag about how much they paid for their house and how little they paid for their car? When housing sales were red hot a few years ago, people bid the price up right on the spot! Nobody complained about that.

Supply and demand, the capitalist way!

Hello, old thread!

Well as far as price goes, my local dealership (Sam Taylor Buick/Cadillac in Fort Walton Beach, FL 32548) has them IN STOCK AT MSRP + $900.00 destination fee. I even called to confirm what the website said.

If any of you guys are looking for a used 04 XLR. Wilber-Duck GM
in Oneida NY has a blue one with 15k miles for $49,900........

If I was in the market for one........WISHING..........Ugh !!!!!!!!
..........geo