Hey! My Eibach sway bars arrived this past wknd, and I just installed them today. I've only driven with them for about 30 miles, and mostly highway, but I noticed a big difference the first time I entered a turn. The car stayed much flatter, gave me more confidence, and I knew I had much more control. The roll is greatly reduced. I tried a few quick lane changes, and I noticed a huge improvement there,too. I gotta say, 4th time buying eibachs, and 4th time I'm satisfied.
I know there was talk about getting the CTS-V's sways as a cheaper route.
Well, If I remember correctly, the numbers are about the same, so my guess would be very similar results, and very happy customers that route as well.
My only question there, would be about the CTS-V front sway, where the V is heavier up front, could the balance be off?


My questions. I'm looking for suspension now. I know you can get Eibach Springs. What about other companies? H&R maybe? What about shocks? Would the Nivomats from a V work well? Other choices, like Koni?

Thanks for any help!

Hey! My Eibach sway bars arrived this past wknd, and I just installed them today. I've only driven with them for about 30 miles, and mostly highway, but I noticed a big difference the first time I entered a turn. The car stayed much flatter, gave me more confidence, and I knew I had much more control. The roll is greatly reduced. I tried a few quick lane changes, and I noticed a huge improvement there,too. I gotta say, 4th time buying eibachs, and 4th time I'm satisfied.
I know there was talk about getting the CTS-V's sways as a cheaper route.
Well, If I remember correctly, the numbers are about the same, so my guess would be very similar results, and very happy customers that route as well.
My only question there, would be about the CTS-V front sway, where the V is heavier up front, could the balance be off?


My questions. I'm looking for suspension now. I know you can get Eibach Springs. What about other companies? H&R maybe? What about shocks? Would the Nivomats from a V work well? Other choices, like Koni?

Thanks for any help!
big difference between v sways and eibachs..... eibachs are adjustable in the rear.

As for shocks, there is the non selfleveling shock for the regular cts or the wildwhl special nivomats. Nivomats are self leveling meaning if you lower the car, it will return to its original height

also moore just installed penske coilovers in their drift car and lund also has an eibach made coilovers for sale

You wouldnt happen to know where and what penske coilovers moore installed do you?

How much money the sway bars run you and was it front and rear? Where is the rear one installed?

How much money the sway bars run you and was it front and rear? Where is the rear one installed?

Marine,
I got us a group buy price from www.shox.com (http://www.shox.com/) on the Eibach sway bars. As I recall it was $253 plus $30 S&H. Not available at this price on the internet. You have to call and ask for Daryl. Thats front & back and with poly bushings instead of the rubber.

Stock Sport CTS sway bars are 23mm front, 18mm rear. Remember, torsional stiffness increases with the radius to the fourth power. A few mm is a big deal. The stock V bars are 26.6mm and 21mm for an increase in stiffness of around 80% over the stockers. Eibachs are 28mm and 22mm for an increase in stiffness of 120% over the stockers, plus the rear is adjustable and they have poly mounts. The balance F to R of all three is about the same.

Eibach (-1.2"), Intrax (-1.5") and H&R (-1.3") all have lowering springs for the CTS, although Eibachs are the most popular by far. For those who've been following it, the stock Nivomat shocks are very easily modified to work with lowering springs. No need to downgrade to luxury shocks, or pay more for springovers (unless you roadrace your CTS). There is also a solution for using V springs (-0.5") and modifying the stock front struts for 1/4" steps of adjustability. Do a search in the V forum for Wildwhl's Nivomat mods. I'm also working with him on shims for adjusting a too low spring job, up in 1/4" increments without mods to the front struts.

Stock Sport CTS sway bars are 23mm front, 18mm rear. Remember, torsional stiffness increases with the radius to the fourth power. A few mm is a big deal. The stock V bars are 26.6mm and 21mm for an increase in stiffness of around 80% over the stockers. Eibachs are 28mm and 22mm for an increase in stiffness of 120% over the stockers, plus the rear is adjustable and they have poly mounts. The balance F to R of all three is about the same.

Eibach (-1.2"), Intrax (-1.5") and H&R (-1.3") all have lowering springs for the CTS, although Eibachs are the most popular by far. For those who've been following it, the stock Nivomat shocks are very easily modified to work with lowering springs. No need to downgrade to luxury shocks, or pay more for springovers (unless you roadrace your CTS). There is also a solution for using V springs (-0.5") and modifying the stock front struts for 1/4" steps of adjustability. Do a search in the V forum for Wildwhl's Nivomat mods. I'm also working with him on shims for adjusting a too low spring job, up in 1/4" increments without mods to the front struts.

Will I actually notice a difference? I already have the eibach lowering spirngs and since I have wide tires I make turns like I own the road. so how will I notice the difference?

Will I actually notice a difference? I already have the eibach lowering spirngs and since I have wide tires I make turns like I own the road. so how will I notice the difference?
you will definitely notice the difference when you turn

Stock Sport CTS sway bars are 23mm front, 18mm rear. Remember, torsional stiffness increases with the radius to the fourth power. A few mm is a big deal. The stock V bars are 26.6mm and 21mm for an increase in stiffness of around 80% over the stockers. Eibachs are 28mm and 22mm for an increase in stiffness of 120% over the stockers, plus the rear is adjustable and they have poly mounts. The balance F to R of all three is about the same.

Eibach (-1.2"), Intrax (-1.5") and H&R (-1.3") all have lowering springs for the CTS, although Eibachs are the most popular by far. For those who've been following it, the stock Nivomat shocks are very easily modified to work with lowering springs. No need to downgrade to luxury shocks, or pay more for springovers (unless you roadrace your CTS). There is also a solution for using V springs (-0.5") and modifying the stock front struts for 1/4" steps of adjustability. Do a search in the V forum for Wildwhl's Nivomat mods. I'm also working with him on shims for adjusting a too low spring job, up in 1/4" increments without mods to the front struts.
Are those luxury shocks?
I thought it was sports shocks without the self leveling part

Isn't this the list of shock options from factory?>
Base shock
sports nivomat
sports non-nivomat
v
v-fg2

Are those luxury shocks?
I thought it was sports shocks without the self leveling part

Isn't this the list of shock options from factory?>
Base shock
sports nivomat
sports non-nivomat
v
v-fg2

I think they released a F3 for the V to reduce wheel hop.

Are those luxury shocks?
I thought it was sports shocks without the self leveling part

Isn't this the list of shock options from factory?>
Base shock
sports nivomat
sports non-nivomat
v
v-fg2

The soft ride or luxury shock (FE1 Base shock used in the base 1SA and luxury 1SB packages), and the sport non-load leveling (From the PDX package, FE2?) are non-nivomats. I believe the PDX package included nivomats (FE3's) , if the HID's were also included.

The CTS Sport shocks from the 1SC package (FE3), the Stock V (FE4), and the upgraded V (FG2) are all nivomats.

Basically, I believe that if you have factory HIDs (Xenon headlights) you have nivomats, which are standard on the CTS 1SC and the V. Does anyone have factory HID's and NOT have nivomats, on the forum?

Up until a few weeks ago, it was the general consensus that one had to use the base/luxury/soft ride shock, or the sport non-load leveling shock to get the rear end down. The WildWhl mod allows one to keep the Nivomats (FE3, FE4, or FG2) with lowering springs.

Will I actually notice a difference? I already have the eibach lowering spirngs and since I have wide tires I make turns like I own the road. so how will I notice the difference?

Body lean is greatly reduced and steering feels more responsive.

I think I might buy these then. How hard is it to install them?

I think I might buy these then. How hard is it to install them?

VERY EASY :yup: Here's a link to a step by step with pictures. You plan to call Daryl at www.SHOX.Com (http://www.SHOX.Com) for his special price?

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/swaybar/index.html

VERY EASY :yup: Here's a link to a step by step with pictures. You plan to call Daryl at www.SHOX.Com (http://www.SHOX.Com) for his special price?

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/swaybar/index.html
wow shox have cts sway bars for 239. That's the lowest i've seen by a big margin.

WOW they must have some sort of pricing deal with eibach. This is the first online retailer that has the eibach springs priced below the h&r (h&r is usually 50bucks cheaper!!!)

VERY EASY :yup: Here's a link to a step by step with pictures. You plan to call Daryl at www.SHOX.Com (http://www.shox.com/) for his special price?

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/swaybar/index.html

The price is $239 for anyone that shops on their site. How much is it for the group buy?

wow shox have cts sway bars for 239. That's the lowest i've seen by a big margin.

WOW they must have some sort of pricing deal with eibach. This is the first online retailer that has the eibach springs priced below the h&r (h&r is usually 50bucks cheaper!!!)

Please post a link to your $239 and I'll present it to Daryl.:)

Please post a link to your $239 and I'll present it to Daryl.:)

Just click on Shop/Online Prices then put Cadillac 2004 CTS they are $239

Just click on Shop/Online Prices then put Cadillac 2004 CTS they are $239

You mis-read the on-line price. It's $279. But $253 if you CALL Daryl. Add $30 S&H


Add to Cart (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3782&flag=c&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)060. Eibach Anti-Roll Kit2003 - 2005Front: 28MM and Rear: 22MM. These sway bars are adjustable and hollow.279.00Add to Wish list (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3783&flag=w&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)
Add to Cart (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3783&flag=c&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)

You mis-read the on-line price. It's $279. But $253 if you CALL Daryl. Add $30 S&H


Add to Cart (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3782&flag=c&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)060. Eibach Anti-Roll Kit2003 - 2005Front: 28MM and Rear: 22MM. These sway bars are adjustable and hollow.279.00Add to Wish list (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3783&flag=w&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)
Add to Cart (http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxshop/productsdisplay.php?itemID=3783&flag=c&makeID=14&AutoMakerName=CADILLAC&modelID=551&year=2004)
i guess they fixed it then. It was 239 when i checked on it.

Front sway bars will always be bigger than the rear bars. If it's not it will cause you to understeer.

The Lund Cadillac front coil-overs "were" an Eibach one-off prototype. Lund does not offer them for sale and they have failed to remove them from there website.

When I last spoke with Lund, in order to use the coilover that Eibach fabricated required the replacement of the front A-arm componentry. The a-arms on the V have a "welded in gusset" that does not exist on the 3.6 CTS.

So in order for Lund to have actually sold these as 3.6 coilovers manufactured by Eibach, they would have had to also assemble some front end suspension components from the CTS-V in order for them to function as designed.

They opted out with the reason being that the cost of having Eibach build the coilovers ( and there was a minimum order of 100 sets) and then Lund having to assemble them in house with V suspension components would have proven to be more costly than what they believe the market would bear in terms of cost.

Kind of like the situation with their headers and cats. They lost there "rear ends" literally as the cost to manufacture what is a first class product proved to have limited market appeal at $1795.00 MSRP. Of course we stepped in and bought all of their inventory at a "bulk rate" and now control the design/fabrication rights.

But again...a first class designed product with proven dyno numbers when matched up with a CORSA and VOLANT, but few buyers at $1795.00

Lund did not want to repeat the same financial mistake with the Eibach Coilovers. Contract for 100 sets and sell maybe a dozen and be stuck with the rest......no thanks from the Lund owners on that adventure!

Hell, it's hard enough some times to get 20 people to participate in a 35% off group buy for some brake pedals at a cost of only a couple of hundred dollars and you have thousands of people logging onto this site everyday!

I personally favor the Eibach sway bar front and rear kit for the 3.6 CTS to the V bars. Polyurethane bushings versus rubber bushings on the V bars. The rear Eibach sway bar is fully adjustable and the rear OEM V-bar is fixed. I removed my own V-bars and replaced them with the Eibach sway bar kit and there was a clear difference in cornering at higher ramp speeds etc, etc. You cannot go wrong with the Eibach sway bar kit!!!

I would just stay the hell away from those Cadillac Luxury Shocks and keep the FE3 or replace them with FE4 Nivomats and make the modification. You'll probably get a bit harsher ride over the bumps and such in the rear, but you won't compromise the CTS's suspension dampening by downsizing to a thinner monotube Cadillac luxury shock that belongs on your grandmothers DeVille just to install Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs.

Just my .02 cents, but to each his own if all you are concerned about is appearance and are willing to trade off driveability and premature suspension wear on your suspension components.

Penske has some custom shock work that they will do with regard to building custom shocks, but again.....you need deep pockets to do it correctly and maintain the long term quality of the sport suspension geometry on the 3.6 CTS.

regards - Pete

Just talked to Daryl and I am going to go pick up a set from him tomorrow for $253 total. Since they are located in San Diego I am going to save the shipping. I have heard great things about this kit from people that have installed it. The way I drive it might save my life some day. :duck:

05CTS you have it backwards my friend..

All I have to say about sway bars, and this applies to CTS's and V's. This car has too much understeer! Adding a larger front bar only makes it understeer more!!

I personally would add a larger rear swaybar to help give the car a more neutral to slight oversteer in the corner.

Thats my 2 cents...

[quote=odysseus]The soft ride or luxury shock (FE1 Base shock used in the base 1SA and luxury 1SB packages), and the sport non-load leveling (From the PDX package, FE2?) are non-nivomats. I believe the PDX package included nivomats (FE3's) , if the HID's were also included.
The CTS Sport shocks from the 1SC package (FE3), the Stock V (FE4), and the upgraded V (FG2) are all nivomats.
Odysseus,
You might want to add 1SB to include the optional FE3 package. I have a 1SB car. Sport with Luxury package and mine has nivomats. I have everything minus the Nav. Which I did not want a 1SC car, mines a rare bird I think.