This is a great question that i need answered i say Bro-HAM because i think the BroUM just sounds duller but I've heard a couple people say broum and i wonder which one is correct?

is it one of those times when a word is spelled with lots of letters just for the hell of it but the word sounds more like BROM?


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In reference to the word "Brougham"

I'm pretty sure it's pronounced BROME.

Brome

I thought it was BrooG-Ham!! j/k

It's Brome...

i hear its really pronounced brome, but in chicago, we still say bro-ham!

i always pronounce it brawm. southern accent, i cant help it.

i always pronounce it brawm. southern accent, i cant help it.

Lol well i guess it does differ a little the only person ive ever heard say BrOam hear in illinois was some old guy that worked at Napa he was at least 50 but it got me thinking.

the a as in "ah" brahwm actually. looked like i wrote bram like "bam". guess it is all in what part of the country you live. lazy southern accent.

It's pronounced Brome. The ugha are silent. But I still say Bro-ham. Guess I have to start saying Brome now.

Sorry guys, it's got two syllables. The correct pronunciation is BRO-um.

still say bro-ham. can't change me!

Listen to this: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/B0504300.wav
and here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brougham

I've always called it a "ham sandwich" so I don't know about all this "brome" or "bro ham" talk.

Listen to this: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/B0504300.wav
and here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brougham

Okay okay okay, I'm convinced. I guess everybody's right........lol

Sorry guys, it's got two syllables. The correct pronunciation is BRO-um.

Personally I've always thought it was more like 1.5 syllables, ya know, not quite BRO-um but not just BROME, more like a compromise between the two.

Brian

Yeah, 90Brougham350 is right. Sorta in between BROME and BRO-um. A very quick "BROum."

Yeah, 90Brougham350 is right. Sorta in between BROME and BRO-um. A very quick "BROum."


The reason it's in between the two is because the name "Brougham" comes from the carriage driven by Lord Peter Brougham in England, after which the term came about.

And I think his name (by the Brits) was pronounced almost like a drawn out "BROOM"

But, personally, I absolutely agree...in between BROME and BROUM"

merriam-webster online has two audio pronunciations the first (which means preferred) is broo'-am and second is bro'-am

now i gotta get myself outta the brome habit dammit

This is deja vu all over again.
A while back (when I was Rick186) and this came up before and a whole bunch chimed in, I mentioned that I was in a parking lot while wifey was in a garden shop and a couple of kids walked past the car and spotted the name plate on the trunk.
One kid said to the other:
"Yeah, that's a bigass Cadillac BROGGUM . . ."
So, I guess you are ALL wrong.
BROGGUM it shall be!:duck:

I was just thinking about asking everyone's opinion on this. I'm glad someone did!

I always say "BRO-um", that 1.5 syllable compromise, just to spice it up a little.

Although since I'm usually only saying it to auto-parts dealers (all my friends know the car as "The Caddy"), I normally call the car a Fleetwood, since that's how it's always listed as. "Fleetwood Brougham RWD"

Which brings up the question...

The car does not say "Fleetwood" Anywhere on it, and even the registrations say only Brougham, as well as all the brochures and books and other selling material, so why the hell is it that whenever I order parts, the car is listed as a "Fleetwood Brougham"?

Because it started as a Fleetwood Brougham, they just stopped calling it that in '86 because if FWD.

And it's Brome, rhymes with foam. I just say it fast kinda like Bro-um

My mother says buu-rum lol.

Hello.


like Old Fleetwood, stated.

One kid said to the other:
"Yeah, that's a bigass Cadillac BROGGUM . . ."
So, I guess you are ALL wrong.
BROGGUM it shall be!

According to the old say: From drunk's and kid's you hear the truth. It got to be like Old Fleetwood wrote.

J/K

Jolle

I pronounce it "Brome" as well.. And I always will. "Brougham" could possibly be pronounced "Bro-um" as well - but I think that sounds silly. Cadillac Fleetwood "Brome". That sounds best to me...

I pronounce it BROum.

I've always called it 'Brawm' like Braum's Icecream, or like Braun's electric razors with an "m" instead of an "n." That's what they call it here in Texas, anyway. That's why I chose my username to have that sound.

I'd like not to think that when people see that username they think "Brewg-hmm" or "Brouw-ham," though I have heard been called that before. But in any case I still call my car a Fleetwood, because I think it deserves that name, not not some front-wheel-drive machine.

Brome or Bor-Um would be correct. Bro-Ham is for non Cadillac enthusiasts and ricers.

its brome... my grandmother called it a "brew em'

This brings up another good question... how do you say Biarritz?

"Buh-Rits" or "Bih-Rits"

That's what I thought, but a lot of people I know say Brits

Brits definetly isn't correct. I usually went with Buhhritz, otherwise Beearitz

Actually,, I guess its pronounced correctly as "broom" but I have to say I have never ever heard anyone ever say it that way.....This is from Wilkipedia.


Invented by Henry Brougham, 1st Baron Brougham and Vaux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Brougham%2C_1st_Baron_Brougham_and_Vaux), Lord Chancellor of Great Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Chancellor_of_Great_Britain), a brougham (pronounced "broom") was a four-wheeled horse-drawn carriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriage) of the 1800s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1800s). It had a low body with a box seat in front for the driver. In the rear was seating for two or four with two doors. In the 1930s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930s), a brougham was a car with an open seat in front for the chauffeur and an enclosed cabin behind for the passengers. Cadillac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_%28automobile%29) used the name on their Cadillac Brougham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Brougham) in 1916 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916), and it would later be used on their top models throughout the 20th century.
Over the years, Chevrolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet), Pontiac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac) and Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth) have also used the Brougham name to differentiate the more comfortably-appointed versions of a given model; Chevrolet Caprice Classic (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caprice_Classic&action=edit) Brougham, Pontiac Parisienne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parisienne) Brougham and Plymouth Valiant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Valiant) Brougham have all been produced. Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company) used the Brougham name on its 1970s-era LTD and Torino lines and some later models of vans.

Yeah, whoever edited that wikipedia page is a whack job. "Broom" just sounds silly.

While we're on the subject of phonetics, I'd like to know how people say "D'Elegance". There's the obvious implied french inflection of the word, but i'd rather not imply that there is anything "french" about these cars, so I don't say that. It also sounds cheesy. I often say "Dee Elegance" and just to make it sound american, i often say it with a ridiculously heavy new york accent.

Maybe all of this confusion is why cadillac dropped their model names in favor of the easily pronounceable CTS, DTS, SRX and all that other garbage.

This brings up another good question... how do you say Biarritz?



Everyone in my area seems to say it "Bare-itz" but it doesn't seem right to me somehow.

Dih'Elegance

Dell-eh-gance.

This brings up another good question... how do you say Biarritz?

I say it "Be-a-Ritz" rolling the Rs slightly because they are double.

Brougham I had thought was "Broge-ham" long ago, but I learned it was "Brome" or probably more propperly "Broum" when I was about 12 or so :)

I gotta say, though, Cadillac did come up with some largley unpronouncable names for cars, but where does Volkswagen get off with that today? Touareg? I still say that "Twarg". Cadillac's names were unpronouncable in the "More cultured than you" way, VW's in the "annoynig yuppy esoteric refference" way.

oh my bad... i always said "bee yarts"

i always just say "brawm" "bare-itz" "dell-eh-gance". but that is how i talk, i dont care if its right or wrong.

on my back from Jersey, were i brought my 89' brougham, i stopped by my in-laws house who were having guess over; my wife and children were there. this is when i first hear anyone utter the word 'broUM". it was my father in-law. he lives in the country "king williams county". i was born, raise and live in richmond. i am 43. i know he thinks i do not talk "proper" anyway base on who ever set that standard. my wife told me he thinks this way about me.

What I want to know is why they put anything on a car that had to be called an "Escutcheon"! :D

I say "Buh-ritz"
De-Elegance (with a very light French absence of the c) because I got yelled at by the owner of a dealership I worked at for not saying it properly once :D
And "Broam".

Some guys I have worked with say "Bee-zul" rather than "Bez-ul" for the word Bezel.
What can you do?

on my back from Jersey, were i brought my 89' brougham, i stopped by my in-laws house who were having guess over; my wife and children were there. this is when i first hear anyone utter the word 'broUM". it was my father in-law. he lives in the country "king williams county". i was born, raise and live in richmond. i am 43. i know he thinks i do not talk "proper" anyway base on who ever set that standard. my wife told me he thinks this way about me.
this was about three months ago.

Dell-eh-gance.

As long as the gance part doesn't rhyme with Dance. I think it's more gawnce, as in Bey<b>once</b>, minus the 'eh' at the end of Beyonce.

I say it "Be-a-Ritz" rolling the Rs slightly because they are double.

Brougham I had thought was "Broge-ham" long ago, but I learned it was "Brome" or probably more propperly "Broum" when I was about 12 or so :)

I gotta say, though, Cadillac did come up with some largley unpronouncable names for cars, but where does Volkswagen get off with that today? Touareg? I still say that "Twarg". Cadillac's names were unpronouncable in the "More cultured than you" way, VW's in the "annoynig yuppy esoteric refference" way.

I asked a French friend how she would pronounce Brougham and she said "broog-ham". I thought it would be Brome, which is how I say it.

Dee-elegance.

Hi,

Poe-tay-toe, poe-tah-toe, toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe - let's call the whole thing off!

My handle on this forum is "Bro-Ham" which I picked up from a very nice African American man who pronounced the name that way when he approached me and my 1976 Fleetwood Brougham at a gas station a few years ago. Our conversation was so funny - and I'll never forget the guy - and I've used the term Bro-Ham ever since!

Another one of my friends calls his Eldorado the "El-Dog" and I think everyone says these funny names just the way they like to say them! I don't feel you're any more high or low rent for saying the names in any particular way since we're Americans and we can butcher funny names and get away with it.

I say "BOOO" to the new boring names like DTS, TL, MKz, etc. Escalade is one of my favorite vehicles on the market today and thankfully it has a real name just like the classic Cads I love so much!

Have fun driving your cars today!

Dave

Bro-Ham sounds so elegant, I might have to start using that.

what language is that anyway?

I suppose it's the king's English, seeing as how Brougham is an englishman's last name.

Just think how cool it would be to have Brougham as your last name?! Well hello there, my name is Chad Brougham! lol! awesome!

what language is that anyway?
I'm pretty sure it's French, after all Cadillac is a French name, and Brougham, D'Elegance, etc. all sound pretty French to me.

D'Elegance doesn't sound like anything but a name created by the marketing department. It might be French, they start a few words with "D'" but D'Elegance sure as hell doesn't sound French to me. Brougham is English.

Getting back to BROUGHAM, does anybody remember the late British born writer by the name of
SOMERSET MAUGHAM?
He had a TV program eons ago and pronounced his name MAWM.

(Scrolling thru the posts, here, I also noticed somebody came awfully close to what those kids called my car: a "BROGGUM"):duck:

d'Elegance is supposed to be french, but it's a horrible use of french. Seville Elegante was much more correct. Brougham d'Elegance would mean Brougham of Elegance. Seville Elegante would mean (the) Elegante Seville.

merriam-webster online has two audio pronunciations the first (which means preferred) is broo'-am and second is bro'-am




That's pretty much how I've always said it.
"Brew-um"

or "broo-uhm" to make it more complicated.

:canttalk:

I found this on some guys car domain site.



"Brougham-

Originally an enclosed 2 or 4-door passenger Carriage.

In automotive terms, a brougham was originally a sedan with an enclosed passenger compartment but no roof over the front end.

Starting in the 1950s Cadillac used the name for some exclusive versions of their 4-door ElDorado and Fleetwood sedans. Being top of the line cars, Broughams tend to be status symbols.

In america, "Brougham" is supposed to be pronounced "Broam," rhyming with "foam." However in contemporary vernacular, its often pronounced "Bro-HAM," since the word appears to have two syllables.

I just traded my Lincoln for a Cadillac Eldorado Broughham.





2. Brougham

A popular Cadillac vehicle used by Gangsters, Pimps, Hitmen, and "more-often-than-not " >>>> owned & operated by old--men >>> wearing caps, carrying cains, money and guns. Likely to be seen in the company of high---fashion women, broads, ladies and bitches who-are usually other men's > wives, girlfriends & daughters"

I think that fits well.

I pronounce the word "BROWM". But be careful...

While travelling last week I had to stop at an Advance Auto Partz for some windshield washer fluid. Since the car isn't throwing very good heat I inquired about a new radiator cap.

The partz chimp asked the "for what kind of vehicle" question. "89 Fleetwood Brougham" I replied. So to the computer he went...

Typetty-type-type-type-type... He looked sooooooo confused.... then looked at me "What kind of Jeep sir?"

I chirped "IT'S A CADILLAC BROUGHAM!!! THAT ONE!" pointing out the window.

Chimp replies "OH!" type-type-type-type... "Not in stock sir, but I can have it tomorrow by 9-o'clock!"

A friggin' 16-lb GM radiator cap...:helpless: If I had let him order it, it probably would have fit SOMETHING! An Alco locomotive maybe...

I guess I've sold auto parts too damn long. What's a Kia? A Scion? How does one pronounce those names? I know what a "PHEATON" is and how to say it correctly. When I drove a Land Rover nobody knew what it was, where it came from, or why the spare tire was bolted to the bonnet/hood... Now LR3's and older Discoverys are everywhere.

To end my rant, just stay away from Advance Auto Parts in Punxsutawney if you drive a BROUGHAM! Me thinks that Punxy Phil is smarter than the partz chimp.

Brome is correct.

Hey, I found another place they can squeeze in another ad! On the Reply page! Takes forever to load.

Getting back to BROUGHAM, does anybody remember the late British born writer by the name of
SOMERSET MAUGHAM?
He had a TV program eons ago and pronounced his name MAWM.

I've heard that name before, he was the one that called the French Riviera "a sunny place for shady people"....the French Riviera is where the Stones were exiled to in '71 or so, that's also where they made Exile On Main Street.

This is a fun thread.


I say Bro-em. Ba-ritz and Deleganse. the funniest thing was when my girlfriend told me that in conversation, she heard someone use the pronunciation Brog-ham, and she said, no, it's Bro-em, you idiot. Never knew she liked the Cadillac that much.

The worst butchering of a car name, was when a friend of mine was describing a car he saw as an Oldsmobile Cul-ay-iss, istead of Calais (cal-ay)

I looked-up a headlight switch at werk the other day for a Pontiac "Parmesan":cookoo:

Maybe it's a literacy problem???

My first wife HATED my '83! She looooved her POS Taurus though:suspect:

The plot thickens.................
Some jerk wrote a piece of mystery fiction in which there's a passage stating:
"...the sound of his shiny black leather BROUGHAMS echoed down the marble halls..."
Jeebus Christmas, the damn fool didn't know the difference between BROUGHAM AND BROGANS! :annoyed: