: Spy Shots: 09 Porsche Panamera



Ralph
07-31-05, 11:21 PM
4 door Porsche...

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_Porsche_Panamera.S178.A8314.html

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2009-Porsche-Panamera-Sports-Coupe.htm

I don't know what to think about it... other than it has a rear end like an old 928..I'm not sure I approve of the idea of a 4 door Porsche, although I can forgive it in the Cayenne.

illumina
07-31-05, 11:28 PM
They're actually not too bad. But I'll stick with the STS-V for now...Oh shit...I don't have an STS-V right now...Er, yet...

Ralph
07-31-05, 11:31 PM
LOL, and I'll stick with my Continental GT, for now....... :drinker ;)

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?lmanufacturer=10011&whatbutton.x=0&bsubmit=true&lmodelflag=12064&page=0&lCarID=1712155

majax
07-31-05, 11:54 PM
Maybe this in response to Maserati's Quatroporte.

mcf1000x2003
08-01-05, 12:45 AM
http://seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Ultima-GTR-640.htm

Can someone post a new thread with this my work computer wont let me by the way this is the new fastest road car over the mclaren

Ralph
08-01-05, 12:48 AM
http://seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Ultima-GTR-640.htm

Can someone post a new thread with this my work computer wont let me by the way this is the new fastest road car over the mclaren

Actually, there is a faster car now, the Bugatti at 250 mph. Or so I heard.

Just click "New Thread" in the lounge??

mcf1000x2003
08-01-05, 12:55 AM
oh i read it wrong i thinkthe F1 mclaren has a higher top speed but the Ultima accelerates faster

mcf1000x2003
08-01-05, 12:57 AM
http://seriouswheels.com/abc/Bugatti-EB-18-4-Veyron-Study-Front-1280x960.htm

this must be the bugatti here

Ralph
08-01-05, 01:01 AM
I believe it is the W16 model (Veyron) with 4 turbochargers with 1001 horsepower which set the new record, but I'll have to double check on that to be certain....

there is a good little video on this site about the engine and explains the details, etc.....

http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/index.html

Ralph
08-01-05, 01:05 AM
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1726

Power 1001 bhp / 747 KW @ 6000 rpm
Torque 1250 Nm / 922 ft lbs @ 2200 rpm
BHP/Liter 125 bhp / liter
Power to weight ratio 0.53 bhp / kg
Top Speed 406 km/h / 252 mph
0-60 mph Acceleration N/A

I guess the French are doing something right. ;)

mccombie_5
08-01-05, 01:46 PM
Always with that GT ralph :nono: i watched topgear last night, they reviewed the new flying spur. Its a phaeton. i was very satisfied to find out ive technically just bought a flying spur ;)

I think id rather have a Quatroporte over that porsche

Rolex
08-01-05, 03:06 PM
Maybe this in response to Maserati's Quatroporte.

I saw one of these parked amongst the other humble vehicles in Wal-Mart parking lot a couple of weeks back. Veerrry nice indeed. Big V8, 4 door sedan, with 170 top end makes me :D . If it were mine though, I'd have parked it way to the back of the lot to avoid the door dingers. :p

mccombie_5
08-01-05, 03:29 PM
I saw one of these parked amongst the other humble vehicles in Wal-Mart parking lot a couple of weeks back. Veerrry nice indeed. Big V8, 4 door sedan, with 170 top end makes me :D . If it were mine though, I'd have parked it way to the back of the lot to avoid the door dingers. :p


Guy at the offcie building next door to mine has one. lawyers eh? its nice, its one of the best lookin 4 door cars in existance, in that list theres a Jag XJR ;)

Ralph
08-01-05, 05:31 PM
Always with that GT ralph :nono: i watched topgear last night, they reviewed the new flying spur. Its a phaeton. i was very satisfied to find out ive technically just bought a flying spur ;)

I think id rather have a Quatroporte over that porsche

I absolutely LOVE the GT!! I'd prefer the 2 door because it makes it more exotic, to me anyway. If it was good enough for Paris Hilton.... :thumbsup: (she bought a light blue one like the one I linked above) My cousin just got back from Vancouver and he sat in one in the showroom. VERY NICE salesman too! They didn't mind him looking everything over on it and spent time going over the features even though my cousin said he's not buying. At Cadillac, they had the CTS-V roped off and they wouldn't let anyone near it! :annoyed: I've only seen thAt one CTS-V in black and they aren't common here at all.

Continental GT is my ultimate dream car, no doubt!

mccombie_5
08-01-05, 05:52 PM
I absolutely LOVE the GT!! I'd prefer the 2 door because it makes it more exotic, to me anyway. If it was good enough for Paris Hilton.... :thumbsup: (she bought a light blue one like the one I linked above) My cousin just got back from Vancouver and he sat in one in the showroom. VERY NICE salesman too! They didn't mind him looking everything over on it and spent time going over the features even though my cousin said he's not buying. At Cadillac, they had the CTS-V roped off and they wouldn't let anyone near it! :annoyed: I've only seen thAt one CTS-V in black and they aren't common here at all.

Continental GT is my ultimate dream car, no doubt!

Well i cant hold it against you. I just dont think they are as exclusive as Bentleys once were. I will one day have another Turbo R. BUt as for the flying spur i dont think so. Maybe if they bring another Turbo out. are there any plans for a bigger Bentley saloon in the pipeline?

Ralph
08-01-05, 05:55 PM
Well i cant hold it against you. I just dont think they are as exclusive as Bentleys once were. I will one day have another Turbo R. BUt as for the flying spur i dont think so. Maybe if they bring another Turbo out. are there any plans for a bigger Bentley saloon in the pipeline?

I went looking for you and look at the beautiful new Peugot 407 I found!!! My goodness, it looks like a Ferrari!

http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2005/050801whats-new/index.html

Still checking....

Ralph
08-01-05, 05:59 PM
So far just this. Check out the XJ on pg. 8. And the Mayback on pg. 11.

http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2002/paris/highlights/h04-bentley-gt.html

mccombie_5
08-01-05, 06:09 PM
That 407 is nice, they drive nice to. i wanted to buy the 4 door model when it was first out. I have a terrible want for beautiful cars. I also want that C6 citroen. I will probably get the 407 coupe "for my wife" when it comes out. Just love cars as a piece of engineering. Im toying with the idea of getting an E-Type like my dads old one and parking it in my conservatory........

GritMaster
08-01-05, 06:21 PM
That bugatti hasn't actually been driven to those speeds, or tested to that horsepower yet, although I don't doubt it's capability, it just hasn't done it yet.


So the Ultima GTR is faster, not to mention 1/10th of the price at a cool 80 grand :)

mccombie_5
08-01-05, 06:41 PM
That bugatti hasn't actually been driven to those speeds, or tested to that horsepower yet, although I don't doubt it's capability, it just hasn't done it yet.


So the Ultima GTR is faster, not to mention 1/10th of the price at a cool 80 grand :)

My eternal problem with the bugatti is its useless! I mean fine 1001 BHP, why? i mean yes its smart, yes its the most powerfu car ever. wouldnt it chew tires like gum?

Ralph
08-01-05, 07:38 PM
That bugatti hasn't actually been driven to those speeds, or tested to that horsepower yet, although I don't doubt it's capability, it just hasn't done it yet.


It most certainly was tested at those specified speeds.....and the HP is there too. A 16 cylender with 4 turbochargers and here are the numbers. It will top out at 279, but is limited to 250 mph. The German Homologation Authority confirmed the record speed. The HP is actually 986 hp by the American system. Read on....

Mc, special tires were built for it by Michelin, the worlds fastest rated tires built to take the abuse associated with aircraft.

"And despite being the most expensive car in the world with USD 1.2 million, a couple of dozen of the 300 units have already sold with a downpayment of USD 300,000, although this car will be only delivered to clients in summer 2005. The Bugatti Veyron will normally be limited to 360 km/h by an electronic chip. If you should wish to drive faster and test the 406 km/h limit, a Bugatti engineer will fly in with a set of high speed tires, and will aid you diving the fastest speed a street car can go. There are also plans to close motorways for high speed driving in Dubai it just shows that a Bugatti Veyron owner will be the member of probably the most exclusive club on earth.


Horsepower: 1001 bhp / PS
Top Speed: 252 mph / 406 km/h
Peak torque: 1250 Nm (923 lb ft)
Acceleration: 0-60 mph in 2.85 sec (0-100km/h in 2.9)

Retail Price: EUR 1,200,000"

http://www.elegant-lifestyle.com/Bugatti-Veyron.htm


"Just consider the engine.

It produces 1001 horsepower (by metric measure; that's a less aesthetically round 986 hp by the American system) from an 8.0-liter, 16-cylinder engine that's fed by four turbochargers. Torque, you ask? Try about 950 foot-pounds. Putting that kind of power in perspective, Bugatti's press release on the car suggests a 0-to-188 mph time of 14 seconds, provided you aren't too scared to flick through the seven-speed, double-clutch, Formula 1-style gearbox (paddles replace a traditional clutch-and-stick shift) at redline. Top speed? Try 250 mph.

All that power will get to the road via permanent all-wheel-drive, and the rear-engine Bugatti is equipped with a wind-catching, retractable rear spoiler for extra downforce. This wing doubles as a venting system, opening to allow more engine-cooling if (bummer!) you get stuck in traffic on I-5 while you were hoping to cruise around at a lumbering 150 mph.

The Veyron also gets the world's fastest speed-rated tires, which were designed by Michelin. While racing cars certainly get tires that can withstand such speeds, it took considerable research to make street-car rubber able to endure day-in, day-out driving and also not self-destruct at acceleration rates usually associated with fighter planes."

http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/02/cx_mf_0902vow.html


"Its 0-60 mph measure stat is an impressive 3.0 seconds, but it's the top speed that causes one to drool. Remember, this is a road legal car. So how fast? It has the potential to max out at a speed of 279 mph. To avoid "excess speed," this car has been engineered with an electronic limiter that restricts going in excess of 250 mph."

http://askmen.com/toys/cars_60/98c_car_review.html

"Last month the Veyron was clocked at 400kph/ 248.5mph at VW's Ehra-Lessien test facility, the same venue where the McLaren F1 famously ran at 240.14mph back in 1998.

The Veyron's record-breaking run was a part of its stringent TUV test, an ordeal all German cars have to pass. The German Homologation Authority, which runs the test, confirmed the record speed, which the Veyron hit several times running in both directions on the eight-mile straight. Unfortunately, whilst we would love to show you photographs of the event, the official photographer failed to grab any shots of the momentous occasion, the car was moving so quickly."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/57118/veyron_storms_to_2485mph_record.html



http://www.acurazine.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-111957.html

Ralph
08-02-05, 02:00 AM
Always with that GT ralph :nono: i watched topgear last night, they reviewed the new flying spur. Its a phaeton. i was very satisfied to find out ive technically just bought a flying spur ;)

I guess the GT is selling quite well and a lot of Americans can afford the $150,000 price tag.

"In general terms, we have about a four- to five-month waiting list on the Continental GT right now. There are some dealers who could probably get you a car without you having to be put on a waiting list. There are other dealers who still have customers lined up waiting. We are starting to build an order bank for the Flying Spur."


http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102859


Spy shots, Continental GT convertible.....(I still like the coupe)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106640

mccombie_5
08-02-05, 03:27 AM
I guess the GT is selling quite well and a lot of Americans can afford the $150,000 price tag.

"In general terms, we have about a four- to five-month waiting list on the Continental GT right now. There are some dealers who could probably get you a car without you having to be put on a waiting list. There are other dealers who still have customers lined up waiting. We are starting to build an order bank for the Flying Spur."


http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102859


Spy shots, Continental GT convertible.....(I still like the coupe)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106640

I think thats the problem with reforming companies like Bentley, im pleased they are selling cars, but they have lost some exclusivity. (too many people can buy one) Thats the reason i questioned something bigger (and more soberly styled that a Spur) This woud give Bentley a car for their elite (not that im claiming to be elite, just would be nice to see something like the Brooklands/Turbo R) They no longer offer something in the same price bracket as the old Turbo was: (143,000-$250,000)

As it stands modern Bentleys are bought by young, quick rich people.

And that convertible IS nice But I'll wait until they have a clearer shot of the fabric hood to pass judgement and see if theyve dobne it right ;)

Ralph
08-03-05, 01:29 AM
I think thats the problem with reforming companies like Bentley, im pleased they are selling cars, but they have lost some exclusivity. (too many people can buy one) Thats the reason i questioned something bigger (and more soberly styled that a Spur) This woud give Bentley a car for their elite (not that im claiming to be elite, just would be nice to see something like the Brooklands/Turbo R) They no longer offer something in the same price bracket as the old Turbo was: (143,000-$250,000)

As it stands modern Bentleys are bought by young, quick rich people.

And that convertible IS nice But I'll wait until they have a clearer shot of the fabric hood to pass judgement and see if theyve dobne it right ;)

I think they are doing a fair job of maintaining and keeping their heritage. At least Bently and RR don't share parts like they used to in the old days, and survival has to be key, especially with such market saturation, even in this price range, etc.

The fact these cars are selling well in the $150,000 price range in the U.S. just goes to show Cadillac could make that exclusive ultra-status Standard of the World vehicle in that range and people would buy it obviously not for lack of money. Cadillac needs the prestige back and a car over $100,000 might be the ticket.

'90 Eldo
08-03-05, 01:21 PM
I'm a Porsche owner with a very narrow viewpoint when it comes to anything other than an air cooled Porsche. I'm sorry they can make all the horsepower they want with those water pumpers,but I still like that original 911 air cooled version best. My 911SC is a great car to drive,however I reserve it for weekends,club activities,etc. It's not a car I would want to drive every day,but that occasional blast to the coast and back is what these cars are all about.

A Porsche 4 door? I can see them now parked next to the Cayennes in the garages across America and they will sell all they can make,and I'm sure it will be one impressive grocery getter. Will there be a downsized two door on the way. I'm sorry but I do not see them in that marketplace.

I'm glad to see they are racing a prototype again in the Le Mans series,that should be fun to watch,they usually do very well whenever they decide to go racing.

Ralph
08-03-05, 08:21 PM
A Porsche 4 door?

What do you think about the Ferrari 4 door......

Don't they tend to "weaken" the pure performance image of these companies?

'90 Eldo
08-05-05, 01:03 AM
I think you are right on regarding four door cars weakening the images of these co's. who for decades have produced sports cars. I can't see a good reason for them to get into that particular market place. BMW,Audi,and VW are very good at producing these types of four door cars already. The only reason I would do something of this nature in their position would be to craft a car on the level of the Maybach where the customer can dictate his preferances in designing his car. I think a co. like Porsche could excell with a diviision devoted to a custom design lux car. They are not going to sell a huge amount of cars in this segment anyway,why not offer people who can afford these cars some input in the design and in doing so hold the marque to a higher level in the eyes of their constituants?

I don't like the idea of a four door Porsche. I can almost see Ferrari doing it because they have,in the past, produced some great GT cars. They were two door cars with enough room to actually carry four people fairly well,but they were screamers with 12 cylinder engines and deep Borani wire wheels,still basically a sports car in my eyes. I have a soft spot for the Ferrari 400, it is a beautiful four place two door car but it has the styling of a Daytona. Personally I don't think they need to go any further in that direction.

Ralph
08-05-05, 01:07 AM
I said 4 door Ferrari because I recall seeing sketches of a proposed 4 door Ferrari and people seemed upset over the idea, some liked it though.

I haven't checked if they did build one yet. Perhaps a concept. I'll have to check.

'90 Eldo
08-05-05, 08:01 PM
Ther is a car they call the Scaglietti which I believe is the Ferrari 4 Door. I think it came out last year .

I would like to know if they sold many of these cars,and what the Ferrari owners have to say about it .

I wonder what is driving these co's. to jump into the 4 dr. mkt. there are soooooooooooo many lux. 4drs. out there already.

mccombie_5
08-05-05, 08:29 PM
Sorry not a four door.....its a replacement for the 456GT

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/ferrari-612-scaglietti-show-front-800.jpg

nice car though. i think its because Maserati walked in before all of them..... and they need to catch up :yup:

Although a few people did a bit of hacking :nono:

Ralph
08-06-05, 12:13 AM
This might have been the one I was thinking of. The SUV!!

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000683030381/

mccombie_5
08-06-05, 04:53 AM
To go in to direct competition with the Porsche Ceyenne. :nono: when will these companies learn?
I dont think Ferrari would built a our door sedan because of the in house Quattroporte, they would be selling cars that competed with each other:yup: but the 4x4 thing is a possibility. I wouldnt drive one.....

'90 Eldo
08-08-05, 02:45 AM
Check out the autospies.com site. Itshows a four door Scaglietti next to the Quatroporte at the Woodland Hills,Ca. Auto Gallery,Ferrari-Maserati dealership showroom and a gathering of customers at a showing of the two cars. I don't know when this was but it looked like a lot of people turned out for the event. They have a series of pictures of the whole day. Check it out,see what you think.

majax
08-08-05, 03:15 AM
This is what Cadillac needs to do with Sixteen. That cost a little more than a million U.S.

mccombie_5
08-08-05, 06:29 AM
This is what Cadillac needs to do with Sixteen. That cost a little more than a million U.S.

If they could get it down to 100,000 UK it would compete well with the others :)