: No more Cadillac.............



Fritzi
07-31-05, 05:41 PM
Well after a lot of thought and consideration I traded in my 00' Deville DTS.

The way it drove was horrible, my hand, arm and body would shake because of the car's gigantic vibration problem.

Everyday it died. I had to jump my car everyday after work.

The A/c broke. Not a huge problem to fix. But a problem

The front right strut was leaking and needed to be replaced.

The back air ride - gone

The dash piece, rolled up on the edges and came apart from the dash.

The engine barrings were rattling and needed the motor to be pulled out.


So I traded it in. Got a Mercedes Benz C320. I am happy. And I wanted to tell ya'll that I'll still stop on in once in a while, but just may not be around as much as I used to be


BUT I WILL FOREVER HAVE MY CADILLAC TATTOO!!!!! :)

Ralph
07-31-05, 05:45 PM
Fritzie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Just as long as you don't think MB is w/o troubles.....


http://www.mercedes-benz-usa.com/mlclass.php

http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleID=4096


I hope you don't regret it down the road, but I wish you the best of luck, etc. :) Any of these luxury brands can be trouble down the road. Too bad you had problems, and all at once! :hmm:

What year is the C-Class?? How many miles were on the DTS??

Randy_W
07-31-05, 07:25 PM
Just for the record;



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• c240 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_c240.html)
• c320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_c320.html)
• CL500 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_cl500.html)
• CLK320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_clk320.html)
• CLK55 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_clk55.html)
• G55 AMG (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_g55.html)
• ML320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_ml320.html)
• S55 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_s55.html)
• SLK230 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_slk230.html)
• Odds 'n ends (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_misc.html)


Every manufacturer has one or two models they'd like to forget they ever built. Could the C-320 be Mercedes' Edsel? Mercedes was quick to act when it encountered problems with the navigation system (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/mb_replace.html) in the $50,000 E-Class series but doesn't seem as interested in the annoyances plaguing the more modest C-Class. Maybe this is why the company J.D. Power ratings (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/jdpower.html) have declined.



Frank of Clemson SC (4/23/03):
We were the first to take delivery of a c320 in South Carolina. Problems:

419 miles flash sos system problem.
8500 miles fault code problem...repaired.
10710 miles oil level sensor problem...
11156 miles replaced oil sensor...
12292 miles continued oil sensor problems...
15061 miles tail lamp unit left and right and left side sunvisor replaced...
15706 miles light bulbs in two front exterior mp units replaced...
21005 miles light bulb in rear exterior lamp unit replaced, reprogram mirriors.
21402 miles light bulbs in rear exterior lamp unit replaced again...
23574 miles light bulb in two rear lamp units replaced, step motor-footwell autoclimate control replaced, instrament panel lower part left side replaced, door control module replaced, inner door panel replaced.
24865 miles light bulbs rear unit replaced, exterior lamp switch module replaced,
26521 miles electric ignition lock replaced. passenger seat motor replaced..
30000 miles steering column and motor replaced.
These are the documented trips back and forth (80 mile round trip) to the dealer for the repairs. We delt with Gary Cox, the Southeastern customer service rep. Rude and arogant. Mr.Carlson didn't seem to care.

Walter of Rosemont IL (5/20/04):
Took car in for first "B" service under warranty with 19,281 miles. Was told by service advisor that the front and rear brake pads, plus the front rotors needed replacing. Not covered under warranty - cost $800+. Service Tech alluded to "riding brakes" or something like that to cause the wear. With last three cars (2 Buick Park Avunues and 1 Chrysler 300M) got almost 30,000 miles before needing pads, so I dispute that claim.

Elston of Oakland CA writes (4/11/02):
I am the owner of a 2001 Mercedes C320, which I purchased from Mercedes-Benz of Oakland, CA. My wife and I purchased this car in June of 2001. I owned a 1990 Mercedes 300E immediately prior to purchasing this vehicle and I was greatly impressed with Mercedes’ engineering and I loved the car. I bought the 300E “used” with over 130K miles on it but still I fell in love with its performance and comfort.

I convinced my wife, who until then was a devoted Acura lover, to purchase a 2000 M-Class. She loves her M-Class. That is where our satisfaction with Mercedes-Benz ends.

Our experience with our new C-Class 320 has been, for the first eleven months, a “service nightmare.” I have not been able to enjoy a two-month span with the car without it needing some sort of service that is not included in “regular maintenance.” I am sure that everyone at Mercedes-Benz would agree that this is unacceptable.



Following, you will find a list of some of the problems that I have encountered since purchasing the Mercedes C320:

Gas cap would not unlock when doors were unlocked (serviced)
Remote stopped working (twice) (replaced and then serviced)
Front turn-signals failed, first left then right (headlamp r/l replaced)
Sound system had “popping” noise even with volume at zero
Display telling me that oil level was too high “reduce immediately”
Drivers door making a loud “knock” when opened (serviced)
Rear turn-signal failed (serviced)
Driver’s side window failed (serviced switch replaced)
Gas tank unable to be filled (fuel-sender gauge failed serviced not fixed)
Rear springs makes an annoying “squeak” (was told it was unserviceable).


Most of these problems were minor nuisances. However, the number of the problems has made my ownership of the C320 regrettable at best. Trusting and believing in Mercedes’ reputation for creating quality automobiles, my wife and I made a cash down payment of more than half of the total cost of the car but together we agree that that was a very poor business decision. We hope that something can be done to rectify this situation.

Cielo of Chino CA writes (2/14/02):
I have a 2001 C320 that I purchased in March of last year. I have been to the dealership 8 times, almost every month from the time I purchase my car, in regards to remote key not operating properly. As of today, the key is still not working properly. It will work fine for a few weeks, then it goes bad again.

I would like to know if I can get help to apply this as a lemon car. I already lost confidence that they will be able to repair this car and I try to be patient by bringing my car 8 or 9 times now. Even a mercedez-benz representative was present during repair and still was not able to fix the problem. I have repair report in my hand from the dealership in regards to my car.

It cause me embarassment, friends and colleagues laughing and joking about me paying so much for nothing/lemon. I am very frustrated just bringing it again and again to the dealership for the same thing.

I would also like to know if you can help me do this instead of going to a private lawyer.

Cielo should consult an attorney.

Jacqueline of Aliso Viejo CA (7/2/03):
Four auto transmission repairs, three electronic instrument clusters replaced. Dealership and corporate office will not take the car back under the Lemon Law provision.

Auto has been in and out of the shop almost monthly. Auto will lose electrical while driving, intermittent problems with hands free telephone feature, GPS, electronic display, and door lock control. Physically we are in danger every day that we drive the vehicle and loose money every time it is in the shop for repairs, repairs to the transmission started the third-fourth week of ownership.

Jacqueline can't just ask them to take the car back. She will need to hire a Lemon Law (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/lemon_law/) attorney to prosecute her case.

Simon of Tracy CA (6/25/03):
My MBZ C320 is a lemon. Never have I had a vehicle with so many problems from the get-go. How can MBZ, knowing that so many people have complained so much about this series of cars, continue to act so arrogant. My list of problems:
AM radio never worked from delivery - took dealership 1 and 1/2 years to fix after replacing top half of car.
Passenger side mirror drooped - never held position - took 7 times bringing in and me handing the dealership the original recall notice for a fix - they replace four control modules.
Gas gauge - car has been in more than 5 time to fix gas gauge - they haven't replaced the gas tank yet - still doesn't work - and worse now the car won't run.
The seat memory doesn't work.
Shuddering from front end - never resolved.
ABS brakes won't engage - never resolved.
Washer fluid reserve shows empty with plenty of fluid - never resolved.
I have been without my car for about 4 months now.

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addison_ii
07-31-05, 07:34 PM
Sorry to hear you sold the Caddy.(Too bad you had all those problems with it) Well I hope the Benz treats you well. Awww your leaving us behind because you got the Benz. Just kidding. Have fun with it and do a couple WOTs for us.

Adam
07-31-05, 07:36 PM
wow that really sucks. best of luck with the new car and congrats. any chance of owning another Cadillac?

mccombie_5
07-31-05, 07:41 PM
Good luck with the Benz. Maybe another caddy in the future?

Playdrv4me
07-31-05, 07:57 PM
BUT I WILL FOREVER HAVE MY CADILLAC TATTOO!!!!! :)

LOL I was about to say Dont you have a Caddy Tat? Well dont listen to the naysayers up there (I can dig up just as many individual complaints about the DTS/STS :rolleyes: ), the C320 is a good all around small luxury sedan. All MB's have recently been having problems, but its subjective to the owner. Personally I would have recommended a 3 Series to you over the C320, but the C Class is still a great car that will get looks on the street and has a very nice interior and feature set.

:thumbsup:

Ralph
07-31-05, 08:43 PM
dont listen to the naysayers up there (I can dig up just as many individual complaints about the DTS/STS :rolleyes:

Not a naysayer, per say, I want her to be aware that ANY LUXURY car can have trouble. It is "Consumer Awareness," and if I bought a new car I would love to read anything I could on it to see if people were happy or not with them! It might also indicate potential future "trouble areas" to watch out for, etc. I am more than aware of Cadillac issues and it would almost seem the Seville has the most negative threads, from what I've seen. I am curious as to the mileage on the DTS she had, and if it got regular maintenance if it needed something, etc. ie. ignoring a warning light could lead to greater trouble down the road.....etc.

There are good MB vehicles and good Cadillac vehicles. There are also many bad MB vehicles and many bad Cadillacs. OK. :suspect:

None of us are totally exempt from a potential expensive repair on vehicles like this, even the elusive Mercedes Benz (whose quality is in the toilet right now) and that must be understood.

Ralph
07-31-05, 08:48 PM
Just for the record;



Mercedes c320

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• c230 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_c230.html)
• c240 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_c240.html)
• c320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_c320.html)
• CL500 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_cl500.html)
• CLK320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_clk320.html)
• CLK55 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_clk55.html)
• G55 AMG (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_g55.html)
• ML320 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_ml320.html)
• S55 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_s55.html)
• SLK230 (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_slk230.html)
• Odds 'n ends (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/mercedes_misc.html)


Every manufacturer has one or two models they'd like to forget they ever built. Could the C-320 be Mercedes' Edsel? Mercedes was quick to act when it encountered problems with the navigation system (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/mb_replace.html) in the $50,000 E-Class series but doesn't seem as interested in the annoyances plaguing the more modest C-Class. Maybe this is why the company J.D. Power ratings (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/jdpower.html) have declined.



Frank of Clemson SC (4/23/03):
We were the first to take delivery of a c320 in South Carolina. Problems:

419 miles flash sos system problem.
8500 miles fault code problem...repaired.
10710 miles oil level sensor problem...
11156 miles replaced oil sensor...
12292 miles continued oil sensor problems...
15061 miles tail lamp unit left and right and left side sunvisor replaced...
15706 miles light bulbs in two front exterior mp units replaced...
21005 miles light bulb in rear exterior lamp unit replaced, reprogram mirriors.
21402 miles light bulbs in rear exterior lamp unit replaced again...
23574 miles light bulb in two rear lamp units replaced, step motor-footwell autoclimate control replaced, instrament panel lower part left side replaced, door control module replaced, inner door panel replaced.
24865 miles light bulbs rear unit replaced, exterior lamp switch module replaced,
26521 miles electric ignition lock replaced. passenger seat motor replaced..
30000 miles steering column and motor replaced.
These are the documented trips back and forth (80 mile round trip) to the dealer for the repairs. We delt with Gary Cox, the Southeastern customer service rep. Rude and arogant. Mr.Carlson didn't seem to care.

Walter of Rosemont IL (5/20/04):
Took car in for first "B" service under warranty with 19,281 miles. Was told by service advisor that the front and rear brake pads, plus the front rotors needed replacing. Not covered under warranty - cost $800+. Service Tech alluded to "riding brakes" or something like that to cause the wear. With last three cars (2 Buick Park Avunues and 1 Chrysler 300M) got almost 30,000 miles before needing pads, so I dispute that claim.

Elston of Oakland CA writes (4/11/02):
I am the owner of a 2001 Mercedes C320, which I purchased from Mercedes-Benz of Oakland, CA. My wife and I purchased this car in June of 2001. I owned a 1990 Mercedes 300E immediately prior to purchasing this vehicle and I was greatly impressed with Mercedes’ engineering and I loved the car. I bought the 300E “used” with over 130K miles on it but still I fell in love with its performance and comfort.

I convinced my wife, who until then was a devoted Acura lover, to purchase a 2000 M-Class. She loves her M-Class. That is where our satisfaction with Mercedes-Benz ends.

Our experience with our new C-Class 320 has been, for the first eleven months, a “service nightmare.” I have not been able to enjoy a two-month span with the car without it needing some sort of service that is not included in “regular maintenance.” I am sure that everyone at Mercedes-Benz would agree that this is unacceptable.



Following, you will find a list of some of the problems that I have encountered since purchasing the Mercedes C320:

Gas cap would not unlock when doors were unlocked (serviced)
Remote stopped working (twice) (replaced and then serviced)
Front turn-signals failed, first left then right (headlamp r/l replaced)
Sound system had “popping” noise even with volume at zero
Display telling me that oil level was too high “reduce immediately”
Drivers door making a loud “knock” when opened (serviced)
Rear turn-signal failed (serviced)
Driver’s side window failed (serviced switch replaced)
Gas tank unable to be filled (fuel-sender gauge failed serviced not fixed)
Rear springs makes an annoying “squeak” (was told it was unserviceable).


Most of these problems were minor nuisances. However, the number of the problems has made my ownership of the C320 regrettable at best. Trusting and believing in Mercedes’ reputation for creating quality automobiles, my wife and I made a cash down payment of more than half of the total cost of the car but together we agree that that was a very poor business decision. We hope that something can be done to rectify this situation.

Cielo of Chino CA writes (2/14/02):
I have a 2001 C320 that I purchased in March of last year. I have been to the dealership 8 times, almost every month from the time I purchase my car, in regards to remote key not operating properly. As of today, the key is still not working properly. It will work fine for a few weeks, then it goes bad again.

I would like to know if I can get help to apply this as a lemon car. I already lost confidence that they will be able to repair this car and I try to be patient by bringing my car 8 or 9 times now. Even a mercedez-benz representative was present during repair and still was not able to fix the problem. I have repair report in my hand from the dealership in regards to my car.

It cause me embarassment, friends and colleagues laughing and joking about me paying so much for nothing/lemon. I am very frustrated just bringing it again and again to the dealership for the same thing.

I would also like to know if you can help me do this instead of going to a private lawyer.

Cielo should consult an attorney.

Jacqueline of Aliso Viejo CA (7/2/03):
Four auto transmission repairs, three electronic instrument clusters replaced. Dealership and corporate office will not take the car back under the Lemon Law provision.

Auto has been in and out of the shop almost monthly. Auto will lose electrical while driving, intermittent problems with hands free telephone feature, GPS, electronic display, and door lock control. Physically we are in danger every day that we drive the vehicle and loose money every time it is in the shop for repairs, repairs to the transmission started the third-fourth week of ownership.

Jacqueline can't just ask them to take the car back. She will need to hire a Lemon Law (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/lemon_law/) attorney to prosecute her case.

Simon of Tracy CA (6/25/03):
My MBZ C320 is a lemon. Never have I had a vehicle with so many problems from the get-go. How can MBZ, knowing that so many people have complained so much about this series of cars, continue to act so arrogant. My list of problems:
AM radio never worked from delivery - took dealership 1 and 1/2 years to fix after replacing top half of car.
Passenger side mirror drooped - never held position - took 7 times bringing in and me handing the dealership the original recall notice for a fix - they replace four control modules.
Gas gauge - car has been in more than 5 time to fix gas gauge - they haven't replaced the gas tank yet - still doesn't work - and worse now the car won't run.
The seat memory doesn't work.
Shuddering from front end - never resolved.
ABS brakes won't engage - never resolved.
Washer fluid reserve shows empty with plenty of fluid - never resolved.
I have been without my car for about 4 months now.

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Holy crud Randy!!! I thought I had the beans on Benz!!! :p :shhh: It's always fun researching different vehicles, especially before purchase. It's good to know these things even after you own a particular vehicle.

Elvis
07-31-05, 08:51 PM
The first year of a new design almost always spells trouble, particularly if it's American-made.

That's a shame, Fritzi. I would be more regretful about that tattoo.

Stoneage_Caddy
07-31-05, 10:03 PM
damn ....i coulda saved her .....if she only stayed in florida .....and i coulda helped fritzi too ....LOL

good luck on the benz , my aunt has one and she hasnt had a lick of trouble out of it yet ....nice little car .....let us know how it does in the WI snow

as for the tatoo , thats insurance youll come back to us ....even if the girl doesnt own one, a cadillac tatoo is still very sexy ....just says that she knows real style ..

Jesda
08-01-05, 05:16 AM
Fritzi, my friend, why didn't you consult us! The C-class is an excellent car BEFORE 2000, but abysmal afterwards. Hopefully you have a good dealer.

I wish you well and hope it works out!

Randy_W
08-01-05, 07:32 AM
LOL I was about to say Dont you have a Caddy Tat? Well dont listen to the naysayers up there (I can dig up just as many individual complaints about the DTS/STS Thanks for making my point!!!
Why trade the devil for the witch? If you're getting a car as bad or worse than you got rid of, what's the point? Oh, I forgot. Now one can say "I drive a Mercedes", even if it does cost an arm and leg to maintain.:lildevil:

Sandy
08-01-05, 04:55 PM
Randy, you got that wrong!

It's " mer-SAAAAY-deeess"

1toycad
08-02-05, 01:14 AM
From the Used Car Critic

1998 Seville (the first of the last Sevilles):


Even though it looked pretty much the same the Seville emerged totally redesigned this year, and was now based on the platform used by the Olds Aurora and the Buick Riviera. This is basically an extremely likeable motorcar spoiled by obsessive gimmickry; automatic wipers, continuously variable road sensing, the world's most complicated seats, etc. Skip it.



Best Features:

Northstar engine
Handling & roadholding
Large trunk
So-so build quality
OnStar System



Worst Features:

The older one looked better
High fuel consumption
Infernally complicated
Therefore prone to problems



Reliability History:

We wouldn't bet on it



Depreciation:</B< td>

Worse than average



Bottom Line:

Northstar engine very costly to repair


My "former" 1999 Seville (now someone else's problem):






Our RuthlessReview™



The Seville continued with the new Oldsmobile based Aurora platform as introduced in '98. This was an extremely likeable motorcar spoiled by obsessive gimmickry. There are more bells, whistles and doodads than you can count cluttering up the scene here; automatic wipers, continuously variable road sensing, the world's most complicated seats, ect.,etc. Skip it.



Best Features:

Northstar engine
Handling & roadholding
Large trunk
So-so build quality
OnStar System


Worst Features:

The older one looked better
High fuel consumption
Infernally complicated
Therefore prone to problems


Reliability History:

We wouldn't bet on it


Depreciation:</B< td>

Worse than average


Bottom Line:

Skip it




The 2004 Seville (RIP)


Our RuthlessReview™





This was the last year for the Seville. Despite its striking looks and lavish (if cramped) interior, it had been troubled with substandard reliability all its life, and despite all its maker's efforts to improve matters it was going to die now as it had lived, a car of unfulfilled promise. That excellent Northstar V-8 for instance, a gem of an engine when running well, could cost its owner far too much to repair out of warranty. The rest of the car was also loaded up with all manner of unnecessary features that were expensive to fix when troubled.



Best Features:

Northstar engine
Handling and roadholding
Large trunk
OnStar system


Worst Features:

The older one ('92-'97) looked better
High fuel consumption
Infernally complicated
Therefore prone to problems


Reliability History:

Much worse than average


Depreciation:</B< td>

Worse than average


Bottom Line:

Not a good choice

Jesda
08-02-05, 02:17 AM
If complexity, fuel economy, and looks were a reason to dislike a luxury car, then Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, and MB would also be in trouble. Crummy knee-jerk review; poorly reasoned and poorly written. There's strong, legitimate critiques about the engineering and long-term reliability of the Seville, but this is hardly one of them.


The rest of the car was also loaded up with all manner of unnecessary features that were expensive to fix when troubled.
Every cheap bastard like this should drive a freaking Corolla, not a high-end touring car. You pay to play.

Example:
"I hate my multimillion dollar mansion! The electric bills are so high!"

Ralph
08-02-05, 02:25 AM
If complexity, fuel economy, and looks were a reason to dislike a luxury car, then Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, and MB would also be in trouble. Crummy knee-jerk review; poorly reasoned and poorly written. There's strong, legitimate critiques about the engineering and long-term reliability of the Seville, but this is hardly one of them.


Every cheap bastard like this should drive a freaking Corolla, not a high-end touring car. You pay to play.

Example:
"I hate my multimillion dollar mansion! The electric bills are so high!"

I agree Jesda! If Cadillacs weren't loaded like they are with all the toys, people would just bitch they are too expensive or boring for what they offer, etc. You cannot criticize a LUXURY car for offering a lot of standard features, as well as a long list of options and gadgets. That's what a luxury car is about, namely, having more features than the "average" car. Technology, gadgets and options are what sell some cars like these.

If one can afford a Cadillac, one should not bitch about the gas mileage either.

p.s. even smaller more "simple" cars like the Toyota Corolla are becomming more and more advanced and technologically sophisticated, and therefore also more expensive to fix "out of warrenty."

"Appearance" is also a very highly subjective matter to the individual regarding any particular make of automobile. Everyone has a favorite style of Cadillac, (for example) and others will not agree, and that is just fine.

powerglide
08-02-05, 03:24 AM
Come back and visit once in a while. Enjoy your new ride!

SSTUD
08-02-05, 12:41 PM
:eek: Thats alot of damage. Please dont say all DTS's are going to have that many problems. I was really concidering getting one however, it has on the higher side of 78k miles. Are these problems common with the DTS and northstar motor? I was also looking at a 2000-01 DTS. If these cars are plagued by alot of problems then it looks like an escalade for me.:suspense:

Randy_W
08-02-05, 06:14 PM
:eek: Thats alot of damage. Please dont say all DTS's are going to have that many problems. I was really concidering getting one however, it has on the higher side of 78k miles. Are these problems common with the DTS and northstar motor? I was also looking at a 2000-01 DTS. If these cars are plagued by alot of problems then it looks like an escalade for me.:suspense:

My '96 has 97k on it now. I rarely get less than 20 mpg from a tank of fuel,(more like 26-30 on the open road), it is perfectly dry under the engine area and everywhere else. It has never used enough oil to add any between changes which are done per the moniter. The coolant has nevr gone away and has always been changed as it was schedualed. I cleaned the egr once because it was causing an ses under decelleration sometimes, that was about 85k miles. It has never needed a tune up so far. I put a new air filter in when it gets dirty. Basically I've never spent a dime on the car outside of normal service! Don't fear the Caddy or the doom sayer!:gossip:

Playdrv4me
08-02-05, 07:04 PM
:eek: Thats alot of damage. Please dont say all DTS's are going to have that many problems. I was really concidering getting one however, it has on the higher side of 78k miles. Are these problems common with the DTS and northstar motor? I was also looking at a 2000-01 DTS. If these cars are plagued by alot of problems then it looks like an escalade for me.:suspense:

Re-read the thread, like Randy, Ralph etc. and myself have all mentioned, ANY luxury car and particularly any luxury car with higher mileage or older has the potential to give you issues. What matters is that you perform an accurate and thorough inspection at the time of the sale and that you are satisfied with the car. The biggest problem your going to find on ANY luxury car with over 50000 miles is suspension issues. After driving low and high mileage luxury cars, Ive found that this is probably the single common thread to all of them. It can be anything from tie-rod ends, to shocks and struts, to frame issues. You really have to feel the car out and listen very closely on your first drive. Nothing and I mean nothing spoils that new car experience like the "thud" of a worn out suspension.

Good luck.

Fritzi
08-03-05, 01:04 AM
wow that really sucks. best of luck with the new car and congrats. any chance of owning another Cadillac?\


Thank you. My dad will be passing down his EXT to me in a couple of years when he can't drive anymore. So I am definatly going to go back to Cadillac oneday. But that car was just draining me dry. I owed so much and couldn't even drive it out of the driveway. So for now I am happy and content and Not paying a handful. P.S. Runs great!

Fritzi
08-03-05, 01:05 AM
LOL I was about to say Dont you have a Caddy Tat? Well dont listen to the naysayers up there (I can dig up just as many individual complaints about the DTS/STS :rolleyes: ), the C320 is a good all around small luxury sedan. All MB's have recently been having problems, but its subjective to the owner. Personally I would have recommended a 3 Series to you over the C320, but the C Class is still a great car that will get looks on the street and has a very nice interior and feature set.

:thumbsup:

LOL. I dont see a Benz tattoo in the future.

Thank you. I could pull of lists of things wrong on any model car in this country. So it doesn't matter to me what other people think. I had to do what's best for me and my finaces. Yet still roll Luxury.

Fritzi
08-03-05, 01:07 AM
That's a shame, Fritzi. I would be more regretful about that tattoo.

Well, I am glad I am not you then. I love my Cadillac Tattoo

Ralph
08-03-05, 01:16 AM
Fritzie, I would still love to know how many miles were on the DTS, was it maintained well... etc.

How many miles on the C-class....

SSTUD
08-03-05, 02:48 AM
Re-read the thread, like Randy, Ralph etc. and myself have all mentioned, ANY luxury car and particularly any luxury car with higher mileage or older has the potential to give you issues. What matters is that you perform an accurate and thorough inspection at the time of the sale and that you are satisfied with the car. The biggest problem your going to find on ANY luxury car with over 50000 miles is suspension issues. After driving low and high mileage luxury cars, Ive found that this is probably the single common thread to all of them. It can be anything from tie-rod ends, to shocks and struts, to frame issues. You really have to feel the car out and listen very closely on your first drive. Nothing and I mean nothing spoils that new car experience like the "thud" of a worn out suspension.

Good luck.


I agree that you have to conduct an inspection of every car you buy. However, with the standard that cadillac has set you wouldnt think that the dash wouldnt be cracking and rolling up? If the suspension was in poor shape to begin with then yes i can see a strut tower leaking. The AC may have just needed a recharge. The car probably "vibrated" due to an unbalanced tire or the strut tower has alot to do with it. Jumping the car can be solved by either a) getting a new battery or b) a new alt. The only thing that has me worried is the bearings being thrown. Unless you bent a pushrod or hydrolocked you shouldnt be tossing bearings. No matter what type of car it is.

I have posted in the DTS forum asking for info on the car and any problems/issues which need to be addressed and i have recieved no replys. Sorry if my post sounded alarmed at first but i really do like the DTS i just dont need motor issues. Also i was very perplexed as to why it would spin a bearing? Also i wouldnt think any suspension issues would be had on a car with 50k? 150k yes but 50k thats just poor design. I have a 98 camaro SS with 400hp and with the stock blisten suspension not only do i have a few drag runs but also Daily driving and that car still handles and corners great not a squeak. The car has 80k on it. Granted its like comparing apples and oranges a sports car to a luxury car however, the DTS has a stiffer suspension and that is supposedly the best offered on a Deville. Which makes me wonder why she had a strut tower go?

Ralph
08-03-05, 03:50 AM
I have posted in the DTS forum asking for info on the car and any problems/issues which need to be addressed and i have recieved no replys.

Not anymore, go check it. ;)

Fritzi
08-03-05, 10:24 AM
However, with the standard that cadillac has set you wouldnt think that the dash wouldnt be cracking and rolling up? Exactly


The AC may have just needed a recharge. Still, they quoted me $500


The car probably "vibrated" due to an unbalanced tire or the strut tower has alot to do with it. The tire didnt have anything to do with it. May have been the strut tower


Jumping the car can be solved by either a) getting a new battery or b) a new alt. Not the battery and not the alternator


The only thing that has me worried is the bearings being thrown. Unless you bent a pushrod or hydrolocked you shouldnt be tossing bearings. No matter what type of car it is.

Fritzi
08-03-05, 10:26 AM
Fritzie, I would still love to know how many miles were on the DTS, was it maintained well... etc.

How many miles on the C-class....

97,000 k


42,000 on the C-class

Ralph
08-03-05, 05:38 PM
97,000 k


42,000 on the C-class

Thanks Fritzie.

Ralph
08-05-05, 01:30 AM
Fritzie, how about one more pic of yourself before you leave us forever. :eyebrow: Hopefully you will stay?? :crying:

Remember the good old days we had posting pics.....

I know Stoney would like to see another. :yup:

RobertCTS
08-05-05, 06:08 AM
I wouldn't recommend this outfit in public..specially in London.http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/customavatars/avatar2518_5.gif (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/member.php?u=2518)

Jesda
08-05-05, 06:46 AM
Heheh, here's the full size version of that photo:
[Thread Hijack]
http://q.spilky.com/nicothread/azn-ninja.jpg
There was a thread at NICO where we put shirts on our heads and got a little carried away. I'm harmless, I swear. :D

mccombie_5
08-05-05, 06:49 AM
I wouldn't recommend this outfit in public..specially in London.http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/customavatars/avatar2518_5.gif (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/member.php?u=2518)

Its bad enough in newcastle, i got on the metro to go to another part of the city yesterday and there was this asian dude with a bag, he had half a carraige to himself. Cool outfit though. next time a rob a bank can i borrow it Jesda?

RobertCTS
08-05-05, 07:24 AM
I do approve of your wall hanging though.:thumbsup:

AirJigga25
08-05-05, 09:09 AM
Well after a lot of thought and consideration I traded in my 00' Deville DTS.

The way it drove was horrible, my hand, arm and body would shake because of the car's gigantic vibration problem.

Everyday it died. I had to jump my car everyday after work.

The A/c broke. Not a huge problem to fix. But a problem

The front right strut was leaking and needed to be replaced.

The back air ride - gone

The dash piece, rolled up on the edges and came apart from the dash.

The engine barrings were rattling and needed the motor to be pulled out.


So I traded it in. Got a Mercedes Benz C320. I am happy. And I wanted to tell ya'll that I'll still stop on in once in a while, but just may not be around as much as I used to be


BUT I WILL FOREVER HAVE MY CADILLAC TATTOO!!!!! :)

Even I didn't have problems that bad when I traded mine in but I to experienced poor engineering problems with my 97 sls and had to let it go. It is sad to hear. I can't blame her a bit.