: Oil Life Message Problem



maydog
11-11-03, 11:09 PM
Hello,

My 97 STS recently rolled over 145,000 miles and now it seems every time I start the car the "Change Engine Oil" message comes on and the oil life is at 0%. This started happening on only a few hundred miles since the last change. No overheating is occuring. I reset the oil life and it comes back after the next restart.

Is this a "friendly" service reminder or is there some factor in determining oil life which can cause it to go immediately to 0.

I posted this on caddyinfo, but got several unsatisfactory info. People were just saying change your oil every 3,000 and regurgitating other information - kind of annoyed me.

JJhomer83
11-11-03, 11:51 PM
Hello,

My 97 STS recently rolled over 145,000 miles and now it seems every time I start the car the "Change Engine Oil" message comes on and the oil life is at 0%. This started happening on only a few hundred miles since the last change. No overheating is occuring. I reset the oil life and it comes back after the next restart.

Is this a "friendly" service reminder or is there some factor in determining oil life which can cause it to go immediately to 0.

I posted this on caddyinfo, but got several unsatisfactory info. People were just saying change your oil every 3,000 and regurgitating other information - kind of annoyed me.

Well that is an easy fix my friend. Just reset it. Its in your owners manual on how to do it. Not sure how your car would do it. I know you should have to hold a button down with the oil life indicator showing.

david_peak
11-12-03, 12:20 AM
you have to hold the reset button down for 10-15 seconds before it will reset it to 100% again. there is no actual sensor to detect oil life. the computer only monitors driving conditions and makes a "calculated guess" on how long the oil will last.

maydog
11-12-03, 12:51 PM
Umm.. yes I understand that. I have reset it several times and after each restart it goes back to zero. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this.

RLLOVETT
11-12-03, 02:00 PM
Sounds like a loose connection somewhere--when they did your oil change they probably bumped a connector. I'd check around the filter for starters.

oldguy1
11-12-03, 08:21 PM
Yes, I have experienced the same thing, it was very annoying for a little while. Here is my diagnosis: the finger that you press reset with must be broke, try another finger and hold the button down longer.

maydog
11-13-03, 08:22 PM
Yes, I have experienced the same thing, it was very annoying for a little while. Here is my diagnosis: the finger that you press reset with must be broke, try another finger and hold the button down longer.

Ummm, no.. when you press the reset button down the display reads XXX% and then eventually reads 100%. I reset it to 100% and drive several miles and after the engine has been off for a while and I restart i goes to 0.

maydog
11-13-03, 08:24 PM
I am wonering what happens if the filter gets clogged, can the engine systems sense this? I get no codes and all of the other gauges (temp, rpm, etc..) funtion, I am at a loss.

Jesda
11-13-03, 10:31 PM
Change the oil at 3000 miles or 90 days. Examine the dipstick every 1000 miles or every month. Go with full synthetic. No exceptions.

maydog
11-14-03, 10:57 AM
arrgh, ... I shouldn't have posted

Ok very simple:

1. get in car
2. start car oil life at 100%
3. Drive 1 to 20 miles
3b. oil life still at 100%
4. shut car off
5. Shop, work, visit etc.
6. get back in car
7 start car
8. oil life at 0%

david_peak
11-15-03, 12:59 AM
??if your pcm gets reset it will set the oil life monitor back to 0%. This is a long shot, but your battery could be going out, defective, or have a bad connection. Large drops in voltage will cause the pcm to reset. Your alternator is feeding car w/ voltage after its cranked, which might explain why when car is turned off for a while and its not getting voltage, it resets. I've seen many cars w/ dash lights and gauges going crazy because of a bad battery. Good luck.

mcowden
11-16-03, 04:12 PM
I am wonering what happens if the filter gets clogged, can the engine systems sense this? I get no codes and all of the other gauges (temp, rpm, etc..) funtion, I am at a loss.
There are no sensors to detect oil condition. If you drive 50,000 miles before changing the oil and then reset the indicator, it will show 100% oil life no matter what condition the oil is in. If the oil LEVEL gets low, you'll see "CHECK OIL LEVEL" or something similar, but there are no sensors to check for oil or oil filter quality.

Eldyfig
11-16-03, 10:47 PM
If the oil LEVEL gets low, you'll see "CHECK OIL LEVEL" or something similar, but there are no sensors to check for oil...

huh?

Jesda, take that full synthetic stuff to another post. This isn't about what type of oil to use.

Maydog, I would go with what david_peak said about the pcm resetting. Most of those replying didn't read your post completely... :banghead: more regurgitation. Good luck.

maydog
11-17-03, 12:00 AM
Thanks,

It sounds like the PCM is really the only option. I have had a few occasions where the I get the "Battery No Charge" message, but never when I had actually witnessed the the oil life to reset.

Would a resetting PCM throw any codes? My car starts fine and does not give any codes when this happens, but it does seem to happen when it is colder which gives some correlation to battery voltage. Funny that I did not see it when my old alternator was giving out.

mcowden
11-17-03, 03:01 PM
If it starts fine, there is plenty of power to keep the PCM alive without a reset, don't you think? Maydog, can you check for DTCs? In particular, I wonder if there are IPC codes that might help find the source of this one. I suppose a loose battery cable could do something like this, but it seems like a long shot.

It could be a component inside the PCM going bad, and that's probably not worth replacing unless you start having driveability problems as a result. Any other symptoms worthy of noting? Do all the other IPC functions work OK? If it happens more often when the car is cold, it could be a cracked solder joint or loose connection somewhere.

AutoZone and probably other parts stores will usually have code scanners that you can either borrow or have them use to show any other codes or problems that the IPC isn't showing. That might pick up something like a PCM reset if that's the cause.

I have a feeling this is one off condition that we may not get a good diagnosis for, unless someone else out there has already seen and fixed the problem. Just a guess, though.



Thanks,

It sounds like the PCM is really the only option. I have had a few occasions where the I get the "Battery No Charge" message, but never when I had actually witnessed the the oil life to reset.

Would a resetting PCM throw any codes? My car starts fine and does not give any codes when this happens, but it does seem to happen when it is colder which gives some correlation to battery voltage. Funny that I did not see it when my old alternator was giving out.