: Lessons Learned with the UUC



thebigjimsho
07-14-05, 01:02 AM
I got to learn some good stuff tonight.

I forget who said it, but you can do the install of the UUC without dropping the driveshaft. But the time you save by not dropping the shaft may not be enough to offset the time lost trying to reattach everything back together while working around the driveshaft.

When drilling out the rivets underneath the V, not only wear safety goggles(absolute must), but wear a skull cap. Or ski cap. Something that will cover your whole scalp. Even with thin hair, metal shavings suck.

Make sure you look at how the stock bushing snaps around the ball. There is a difference and can be installed upside down. Would it make much of a difference? I don't know and I didn't want to find out.

There is a foam piece that is glued to the top of the retaining plate at the base of the stalk. Reattaching that may give added noise insulation.

The rubber socket that surrounds the bottom part of the ball bushing can be reapplied to the new stalk if coaxed very gently.

When installing the 2 mounting screws at the front base of the shift assembly, make sure you align the shifter as far to the left as possible as your fastening the screws. This should help from banging the right side of the console when going into reverse.

Oh, and when removing metal shavings from your scalp, fish through slowly. Tiny shavings can still leave tiny, bloody scratches. A good hot shower helps.

The V is still up in the air awaiting the B&B and the rear FG2s before I get it on the road. S I don't have feedback on the Specter bushings and I don't have advanced feedback on the UUC. But I believe I was in the minority who thought the V shifter wasn't too bad. I do like the directness of the UUC and the proceeding through its gates. But it's still a bit notchy and not quite up to my tastes. In fact, with the notchyness, I may truthfully prefer the softer throws of the stock shifter.

But like many things, it may just get better with time.

OK, got to get to bed. I'm up at 3:45.

urbanski
07-14-05, 09:06 AM
notchy?
grease the ball man!! grease it, lube all the moving bits underneath...smooths it right out!

thebigjimsho
07-14-05, 09:27 AM
It's not the shifter, it's the rods that interact with the tranny. I didn't have the bushings lastss has.

RobzBLKV
07-14-05, 03:28 PM
Did you have access to a lift or do it on jack stands? What was the install time?

Mowgli
07-14-05, 05:18 PM
Good writeup, thx for the info. If you did it on jackstands I may do it myself also, if a lift is a must... eh.

thebigjimsho
07-14-05, 05:23 PM
The rear was on Rhinos and jacked up the front. Follow the directions on the Caddy FAQ up to and including step #11. Then refer to the UUC directions. Unless you have lastss' bushings, you don't need to move the tranny. You also don't have to drop the driveshaft. But leaving it there will slow you down a little.

It really wasn't bad and didn't really take too long. Working on the shifter itself takes anywhere from 25 to 45 minutes. The bulk of time is the getting to the shifter.

VELOSE
07-14-05, 07:05 PM
After Urbanski said to grease everything, I don't think the dealer greased everything. I just had the dealer install the B&M shifter. It's notchy but it does take some getting used to. Either way, I really like it. However, I've only driven it 5 miles thru town from light to light. It was fine leaving the dealer today but, as I was getting home, the shifter began to squeek a little when moving the shifter side to side. Also, I hear what some call, "gear chatter."

Can I get rid of the squeeking and chatter with grease?

Sorry to jack your thread but my issue is related in some way. ;)

trekster
07-14-05, 07:08 PM
I remember the nice feeling of the uuc when I first got it. Now, it's notchy again.

RobzBLKV
07-14-05, 08:03 PM
Excellent. Thanks. Since I can't find a place I trust to install it, I guess I am going to give it a go. But I might lower the transmission.

2005V
07-14-05, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the write up. Please let us know your impressions once you have a few miles on it. I have been sitting on the fence for a while and I am a bit unclear on a few things.

For those of us silly enough to have purchased the Mallett unit, are enough of the stock internals still there to do a swap w/ the UUC? My understanding is that the UUC uses some of the stock parts and I am wondering what I have any left (besides a shifter w/ a shorter stalk, crappy shifts and lots of transmitted noise). Any thoughts?

RocketV
07-14-05, 10:31 PM
Rob- Bring your V to Indy, and once we prove the inferiority of black when compared to Stealth Gray, we can take your car to Lingenfelter or DTE and see if they will install your shifter.

Florian
07-15-05, 12:13 AM
the B&M as well as the Katech will both transmit gear noise as they are solid shifters. The UUC has a silicone sleeve that takes care of that issue. Worth every penny of the money spent for the quiet shifter. I threw my Katech in the garbage!

Florian

VELOSE
07-15-05, 01:17 AM
the B&M as well as the Katech will both transmit gear noise as they are solid shifters. The UUC has a silicone sleeve that takes care of that issue. Worth every penny of the money spent for the quiet shifter. I threw my Katech in the garbage!

Florian

If that is the case, I will try mine out for a little while. If it becomes that annoying, I'll make the switch and install it myself. :(

Thanks for the feedback Florian.

Wienk
07-15-05, 03:15 AM
Interesting to see that my decision to cancel my order (months ago) for the Mallett shifter and then to install the UUC shifter is being validated by so many others! Nothing against Mallett, because I think he was the pioneer in modifying the V and got all this momentum on needd mods started!

But UUC is, in my opinion, a reknown company that built its reputation on improving BMW shifters, which even in stock configuration are great! How neat is that?

That said, I have been using my UUC shifter for a couple months now and it still pleases me every time I shift. And oh yeah, I haven't missed a shift since, not even reverse, which used to drive me crazy. In case you missed my instructions on how to do the install without lowering the trans, make sure you trim the excess foam off the upper foam block where the shift stick rubs going into reverse, before reinstalling it after you install the new shifter.

I have never noticed any shifter vibration or noise, and I don't find it "notchy" either.

I have no connection to UUC, but I do endorse their product.

VELOSE
07-15-05, 01:46 PM
I drove the V some more today. The gear chatter is not as loud as I thought. It takes a little while to figure out how to not create the gear chatter. However, it does distract me sometimes. It's not a noise you want in the cabin. I can live with the B&M for now. As soon as I recover from the cost of the Maggie, I'm ordering the UUC. I hope I don't have to be a guinea pig again.

RobzBLKV
07-15-05, 02:22 PM
The B&M unit I had in the M3 transmitted noise. It wasn't a lot of noise and it didn't matter b/c the shifter was WAY better than stock. I did like the weighted selector rod from Rogue, though.

Those of you with excellent tuners close by - I hate all of you. Especially family members with slow cars.

thebigjimsho
07-16-05, 04:16 PM
I felt the UUC seemed notchy, not that it's hard to get through the gears, it is much easier. HOWEVER, that was sitting in the car, up in the air, in the garage.

Real world experience has changed my mind big time! In a visceral sense, with everything moving and feeling the road as you drive along with the sounds and eveything enveloping you, whatever thought of this shifter being mechanical is gone. It is a very slick unit that works wonderfully in any type of driving. Well worth the $400.

Florian
07-16-05, 04:53 PM
Velose,

Worth the investment (UUC) and the noise will not go away no matter what you do....I tried all sorts of solutions (Dynamat, etc) but to no avail. Once you go UUC you will never go back. As for "notchiness", I think that was a matter of greasing...

F

VELOSE
07-16-05, 09:51 PM
Thanks Florian, for now I need to lay low and work with what I have. In a few months, I'll order the UUC. The pocket book took an approximate $8000 hit. ;)

lasstss
07-16-05, 10:52 PM
I have been running the UUC for 6 months or better. Their shifter is really a passive device. What it really does it tighten up what is sloppy from the factory, hence a bit notchy. As the mechanism is no longer bobbling around the feel is far different but the throws are tight. As was mentioned before, make sure that the ball is greased and that you put that same grease on the joint that the shifter drives. There is a lot of friction there.

babylou
08-05-05, 03:38 PM
The rear was on Rhinos and jacked up the front. Follow the directions on the Caddy FAQ up to and including step #11.

I looked in FAQ and found nothing. Can someone kindly provide a link?

ctsvett
08-05-05, 03:41 PM
http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/mshifter/index.html

Note that with the UUC you DONT lower the tranny.

Reed

babylou
08-05-05, 04:47 PM
Reed,

Thanks for the speedy help.

babylou
08-07-05, 04:10 AM
Allrighty I have installed the UUC shifter. I gotta say that the shifter is a massive improvement over the pathetic stock setup. Throws are shortish, precise, tight, very mechanical feeling (some say, notchy which I consider good). I can find all the gears so easily now. Reverse used to be a bitch. Overall the feel is very close to what is considered by most journalists and me as the greatest feeling shifter of all time; the Mazda Miata 5 speed.

I doubt I can recall any aftermarket modifcation I have ever done that has netted such a large improvement over an OEM setup and with little detrimental effects. I am amazed that GM has not made this improvement to this shifter. Every single test I have read of this car the number one bitch is the crappy shifter.

Now the negatives:

1. When taking my old shifter off the little white plastic radial bushing and the two axial white plastic bushings were in bits. I could see that the radial bushing was not to be reused but it appeared that I had to reuse the axial bushings since the portion of UUC shifter that attached to the fork was significantly narrower than the fork. This was no different than the OEM shifter. The problem was the white plastic bushings were in little bits. Luckily I went to the 24 hour auto parts store and found some 7/16" washers and used two per side. They fit great. Now I come home from the install and the UUC website shows two nice machined steel bushings were I put the washers. Why the hell didn't they include these with my shifter? For that matter with a $400 shifter they should include a new shifter pivot bushing.

2. A parts list included with the instructions would eliminate the headache of discovering one has missing parts after the vehicle is ripped down.

3. The instructions are pathetic! Using the cadillacfaq.com reference helps but there is still room for improvement. No where is it mentioned that the shift rods do not need to be disconnected from the gearbox because the rivets can be drilled out when the shifter is still mounted. Additionally, a tool list would be helpful. Especially mentioning that the drill size required to remove the rivets is 5/16".

Three trips to the store, 6 hours later, having missing spacers and all bitches aside I still am very satisfied with the outcome.

StealthV
08-07-05, 04:16 AM
Two things that should have been standard on the V, ok, three:

1. UUC Shifter
2. Corsa exhaust (let us gearheads mod from there to B&B if we want more bark...)
3. Handbrake

Babylou - did you happen to snap any pictures during your UUC install that could be used for helping with the instructions on the FAQ? Unfortunately, I did not. :hmm:

riverrat
08-07-05, 04:45 AM
Just put the uuc in and mine had the nice machined bushings they were held in place for shipping with a wire twist tie. The shifter would not fit in the fork - too wide - I had to use my porta power spreader to make it fit. Also had to grind off the small bolts through the shaft to get the retaining cup for the pivot bushing down the shaft. I bought mine at the intro price special just now got to install it. I think they owe you some bushings unless they changed their design. Mine are real nice two piece, a button that fits in a sleeve with a silicone? o-ring to rotate on. Washers just don't compare. The thing I like about this set up is I don't hit the A/C on button when shifting to 3rd as I did with the stock unit.

babylou
08-07-05, 12:51 PM
Two things that should have been standard on the V, ok, three:

1. UUC Shifter
2. Corsa exhaust (let us gearheads mod from there to B&B if we want more bark...)
3. Handbrake

Babylou - did you happen to snap any pictures during your UUC install that could be used for helping with the instructions on the FAQ? Unfortunately, I did not. :hmm:

Sheesh I'm a bonehead! I had my camera with me but never took a single pic.

I forgot to mention I installed the StealthV CAGS Eliminator too. Most definitely a must have.

thebigjimsho
01-31-08, 01:50 PM
Good to know at one time, I was really quite a helpful member of society...

StealthV
01-31-08, 02:01 PM
Same here, lol. :D

The Tony Show
01-31-08, 02:19 PM
As long as this is bumped to the top, can anyone else with a UUC shifter do a little test for me? Put the car in neutral and pull up on the shift knob- does the lever move upward slightly, or is it firm?

I did the solid bushings at the same time, but I still have tons of slop in the shifter- side to side, up and down, both in and out of gear.

lasstss
01-31-08, 09:52 PM
As long as this is bumped to the top, can anyone else with a UUC shifter do a little test for me? Put the car in neutral and pull up on the shift knob- does the lever move upward slightly, or is it firm?

I did the solid bushings at the same time, but I still have tons of slop in the shifter- side to side, up and down, both in and out of gear.

Sounds like you left the orbit out that locates the ball? Are you sure you put all of the parts back in? Make sure the shifter rod is in one piece, its connected by a pin.

ewill3rd
01-31-08, 09:58 PM
It shouldn't be moving up and down. Sounds like something is not together properly.
How much is "slightly".

The Tony Show
01-31-08, 10:08 PM
1/4 inch of vertical travel, probably 1 inch lateral (in gear or out).