: 97 Concours....SOLD!



miishmiish
11-07-03, 12:48 PM
Hey guys,

I just sold my 97 Concours and I am glad to be rid of it :eyebrow: . Nothing but a headache. I invested days and days worth of the combined labor and over $1200 street price in parts for her. I think I want to go with a simpler, and more reliable caddy. After everything I learned about caddies from this car and from you guys, I don't want all that knowledge to go to waste on a Lincoln (I do also have a '95 Mark VIII :eek: -I got it pretty cheap from the original owner.....who could resist?). What do you guys recommend in the $4k-$8k price range. I want something from 1994 and onwards. Any opinions on the 4.9? I drove a deville with one last week and they are pretty powerful. The northstar seems easier to work with though.

miishmiish
11-08-03, 05:48 PM
I am actually checking out a couple of devilles and wanted some opinions. A 1996 with 120k with a clean title or a 1994 Concours with 100k also with a clean title. What problems can I expect? Is the transmission still strong? The engine? How far up in mileage do these go before they need new transmissions/enginges or anything else that comes to mind? That's all I know about these cars as I found them on the net.
p.s. I sold my concours mentioned above because it was salvaged titled and gave me a bunch of problems.

elwesso
11-08-03, 07:43 PM
ONLY, and I emphasize ONLY get one with a maintenance history..... IMO anyway...... Carfax also......

Id personally look into something with the 4.9..... Very dependable, and almost as fast as the northstar...... 93 was the last year for the Seville/eldo, and 94 was the last year for the deville...... Also, the 4.9 is probably gonna be somewhat easier to work on, since its a little more simple.......

The fleetwood (with LT1) is also a good choice, and more dependable than the 4.9..... I dont know if you want a big boat like that, though......

The tranny should still be fine...... GM makes wonderful trannies, and seem to hold up decent even under bad maintenance..... Make sure the fluid is good condition, and there's no slipping (cold or warm) and it'll be fine......

Again, all these things depend on maintenance....... Engines should last the life of the car..... However, under equal maintenance, on average, you will go through 2 or 3 trannies per engine......

cadillac6
11-08-03, 10:02 PM
I jusr recently purchased a 1997 cadillac deville concours. It is a beautiful car and i love it. Only problem is my service engine light just came on. What problems did you have with yours? my car has 79,000 miles on it and i got it for $7,350 off of ebay. Please respond I would like to talk to you about this :suspense:

miishmiish
11-08-03, 10:17 PM
I jusr recently purchased a 1997 cadillac deville concours. It is a beautiful car and i love it. Only problem is my service engine light just came on. What problems did you have with yours? my car has 79,000 miles on it and i got it for $7,350 off of ebay. Please respond I would like to talk to you about this :suspense:
You got an amazing price. Is the title clean or has the car been in an accident?

Now:
First, disconnect the negative terminal to the battery, and then the positive. Come back a half hour later and reconnect. Start the car and take it for a spin. If the light turns off then it was just a fluke. If it is on put the car in park with the ignition running. Press the "off" button and the "warmer" button. For you, it is the button all the way on the right with the arrow pointing upwards. Hold them down until the dash lights all come on. Let go and quickly jot down all the codes it will spit at you until it stops, and report them back here where I will give you further instruction.

elwesso
11-08-03, 10:36 PM
The engine doesnt have to be on....... In fact, there is no benefit of code reading to have the engine on.....

miishmiish
11-09-03, 12:32 AM
The engine doesnt have to be on....... In fact, there is no benefit of code reading to have the engine on.....
Thank you. I know that. But what difference does it make?......none. I am just trying to make it simpler for that guy :)

cadillac6
11-09-03, 12:34 AM
Yeah i did get an excellent price on it! I went to my local caddy dealership and looked at the same car and they wanted $13,000 for it and it had 11000 more miles than mine has! crazy i know. Anyway the code thing has me a lil confused I dont want to mess anything up with my car. Should I just take it to my local auto zone and have them check out the codes? please help guys :confused:

cadillac6
11-09-03, 12:35 AM
Oh and the title is clean and it has never been wrecked

miishmiish
11-09-03, 01:01 AM
Do it yourself, its really simple.
Just have the car on in park, press the "OFF" button next to the a/c button. While holding that down, press the temp UP button and hold both until the lights on your guage cluster all light up. THen let go and right down all of the codes it reads to you. Then, simply turn off the car. Those codes will tell exactly why the "check engine" light is on. You can't mess anything up following this basic precedure and we can't help you if you don't.

elwesso
11-09-03, 09:51 AM
Agreed.... and thats probably the easiest way......

cadillac6
11-09-03, 12:45 PM
Ok i did what you guys said to do. I checked the codes for my car this morning. I dont know how to read these things but some said current, and some said history. I just wrote down the ones that said current. I dont know how to read these codes so im hoping you guys can help me out.

P0135
P0141
P0147
P0155
P1139
B1312
C1783
C1785
B2719

These are all the ones it read out to me that were under "current" I hope this is not bad I pray it is not. Please help me out guys! :disappoin

miishmiish
11-09-03, 01:32 PM
Ok i did what you guys said to do. I checked the codes for my car this morning. I dont know how to read these things but some said current, and some said history. I just wrote down the ones that said current. I dont know how to read these codes so im hoping you guys can help me out.

P0135
P0141
P0147
P0155
P1139
B1312
C1783
C1785
B2719

These are all the ones it read out to me that were under "current" I hope this is not bad I pray it is not. Please help me out guys! :disappoin
It's pretty bad because you have nine current codes and the history codes (that means that those errors occured but did not occur at the time of the diagnosis; those may still be problems). But for now let's just worry about these current ones.


P0135 - Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Heater Performance Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0141 - Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Heater Performance Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0147 - Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Heater Performance Bank 1 Sensor 3
P0155 - Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Heater Performance Bank 2 Sensor 1
P1139 - Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Insuff. Switching Bank 1 Sensor 2
B1312 - High Side Temp Sensor Open Circuit
C1783 - ICCS2 DL Left Output Short Circuit to GND
C1785 - ICCS2 DL Right Output Short Circuit to GND
B2719 - CTD-Trunk Tamper Switch Fault

Damn this car has a lot of stupid little problems. None of those are major problems. Basically all of your oxygen sensors are messed up which I have never seen. Usually it's one or two sensors which leads me to believe that it might be something else, but I am doubtfull. First thing to do is buy all four sensors for those specific locations and label them (bank 1 sensor 2, etc..). You can buy them from the owner of www.usedbritishparts.com I bought some bosch universal sensors for my audi last year and he charged me $30 per sensor, as opposed to $170 for the same brand at a mechanic. Then, take it to a mechanic to change all of the sensors which is less than an hour of work so it should cost around $60 labor. That should solve your "check engine" problem and give you a smoother ride. Right now, you are probably running rich which is REALLY bad for your cat. The c1783/1785 is a short in your RSS (road sensing suspension) so I assume your "service ride control" indicator is on too. Also, the B1312 is most likely a fuse which would make you very lucky. Just check the fuses in the trunk and under the hood and replace as necessary. Anyways, one thing at a time. Do what I told you above and report back the results. Also, look up the members link in the forum and check all the posts by me. I had the almost identicle problems with the identicle car and managed to fix them myself. Good Luck.
GENERAL QUESTION TO ALL:
IS IT JUST ME, BUT EVERY 97 DEVILLE CONCOURS HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS? EVERYBODY I MEET WITH A 97 CONCOURS HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS I DID WITH MINE. ANY OPINIONS WOULD BE NICE.

elwesso
11-09-03, 01:36 PM
Hmmmm.... 97 started the new design for the deville, right..... 93-96 had the same design......

It does seem as if your hypothosis is correct......

For your codes, Id clear em, and then check them again in a day or so...... Obviously, your o2 sensors are gone, so you'll wanna get those fixed....... Not so sure on the rest......

cadillac6
11-09-03, 07:07 PM
Ok I checked that site and he doesnt have any o2 sensors for my caddy :( but i will find somewhere where i can buy them for cheap any help would be much appreciated. My service ride control isnt on. As for the other codes what do they really mean? could it just be a fuse? and what is it with these newer cadillacs and the "ride control"? i mean mine does handle different when i am traveling at high speeds. And I have noticed that since the "service engine light" has been on I havnt been getting good gas mileage. Please help guys! :worship:

elwesso
11-09-03, 07:10 PM
Check out www.sparkplug.com ....... They carry o2 sensors for a variety of cars......

cadillac6
11-09-03, 07:10 PM
http://www.oxygensensorwholesale.com/cadillac_1997_concours.html

I found these but dont know which ones I need! and these for damn sure aint wholesale! man i give up there is no such thing as a cheap o2 sensor! :crying:

cadillac6
11-09-03, 09:07 PM
Ok so I need 4 o2 sensors. Everywhere I go they come in quantities of 2. So if I buy 2 of them will there be 4? check it. This is the cheapest I could find them.

http://www.pickproparts.com/PartsList.aspx?SubCategoryID=33

go to the bottom and check it out

elwesso
11-09-03, 09:15 PM
Dont complain about those prices...... All those parts are a lot more expensive for my car..... o2 sensors are 100 each (but I have only 2), and knock sensors for me are $120...... For you their 50, and I have 2, you have 1......

miishmiish
11-09-03, 09:34 PM
Ok so I need 4 o2 sensors. Everywhere I go they come in quantities of 2. So if I buy 2 of them will there be 4? check it. This is the cheapest I could find them.

http://www.pickproparts.com/PartsList.aspx?SubCategoryID=33

go to the bottom and check it out
They are not all the same. Unless they are universal, each sensor is fitted differently. Hold on until monday morning. Call and talk to a representative. Give you car info and the name of the four sensor locations (bank 1, sensor 2 etc..) and then ask for a discount since you are buying so many; make sure you get a good brand because the aftermrket crappy ones burnt out in as little as a few months. I am sure you will get some kinda discount. Your gas mileage sucks because like I said above, you are running rich. The O2 sensors tell the engine how much fuel to use. Since they are all broken, you car is giving way to much fuel making your ride less smooth than it should be, making your exhaust smell bad (rotting eggs), and destroying your catylic converter. Get this done fast. I would not even drive with the windows down because the fumes are very toxic and can make you light headed.

cadillac6
11-09-03, 09:46 PM
Oh well I have $1,000 coming in the mail i'll just get this fixed and not even care about how much I spend. What about "denso" brand o2 sensors? i think they are $50 a pop so i'll probably spend $200 on them and who knows how much labor is going to cost? :crying2:

elwesso
11-09-03, 10:39 PM
I think their pretty easy to get to.... But, pretty sure you'll need a lift to get to em..... But as it sounds, your gonna take it in......

I wouldnt say more than 1-1.5 for all of em.......

cadillac6
11-15-03, 06:04 PM
Man I wish that was the case. I went into auto zone the other day and asked for some o2 sensors. He said he only had 3 of them. 2 infront of the catalytic converter. And one for the back. He said I should only get the front 2 because it takes a long time for the ones behind the catalytic converter to go bad. So I took heed to his advice. My mechanic is coming to my house Monday. We'll see what happens and I paid $150 for only 2!!! :crying2: :banghead: