: B&M Shifter is in!



Barak
06-17-05, 11:41 PM
This shifter is awesome! Huge difference in throw, I feel like I have to barely move the shifter to grab the next gear. The shifting is now unbelievably crisp too. I would really love to compare it to the UUC shifter, considering that the B&M shifter is far less in price. Maybe at the next meet I'll get a chance. Only negatives so far is that there is some gear noise transmitted during hard acceleration and it requires a bit more force to shift, but both issues are very minor. If I had exhaust I probably would have never even noticed the noise.

jimbo1320
06-20-05, 11:22 PM
barak,

Sounds good to me. Will order one sooon. Any problem getting the shifter knob off?

jerrycecco
06-21-05, 12:05 AM
pictures, prices?, part#?
please post....

vr6aaron
06-21-05, 12:11 AM
pictures, prices?, part#?
please post....

Exactly what he said, where did u get it?

StealthV
06-21-05, 12:50 AM
barak,

Any problem getting the shifter knob off?

When I removed my shifter knob, I followed the UUC destructions which said grasp firmly and pull straight up. Expecting a great deal of resistance, I gave the ol' knob a healthy pull. It came off so easy I almost hit the ceiling with the knob. The console/boot trim piece came right off with it as well so I was able to skip that step. :)

Pull straight up. It doesn't require much force; it'll pop right off. After removing it, you'll wonder what has kept it in place up to now. ;)

Jerry, search this forum for B&M* and you'll find several posts with the part number. :cheers:

sti convert
06-21-05, 09:23 AM
Like to see some pics and installation instructions. Can everything be done from the top or do you need to get under the car too?

Barak
06-21-05, 12:28 PM
pictures, prices?, part#?
please post....


Like to see some pics and installation instructions. Can everything be done from the top or do you need to get under the car too?

I was hoping you guys wouldn't ask these questions. Here's the story, my friend designs the short throw shifters for B&M and he gave me a call a few weeks ago. It was the first time I talked to him since I got the V. I asked him if B&M made a shifter for the V and he said yeah, you want one, after calling me an SOB for getting such an awesome car. I said hell yes I do, and he asked what year the V was and I said 05. He said perfect, we need to confirm that our shifter fits on the 05. So we made an appointment to install the shifter at my work and take all kinds of pictures with detailed instructions so I could submit them to Reed. Later I found out that the day of the appointment may not work for me so I called to tell him that I may have to reschedule. He said not to worry and that he was bringing someone to install it anyhow. So the day comes along and it was super busy day and I was out of the office all day long. So when I finally did get back to the office at nearly 7PM, I got back to find that my V now has a bitchin' short throw shifter. It's nice having good friends and I wish I could have at least met the man that did the installation, because he did a great job.

Now to answer some questions. Part#: 45067. Price: case of beer, or about $215 from Summit; I saw another post for $260 at Advance Auto. The stick is made from weighted 303 stainless steel. The base is made from 6061-T6 aluminum. It comes with a million mile warranty.

From eyewitness accounts and B&M's instructions, you only need to get under the car to remove the nut from the shoulder bolt. The exhaust or driveshaft doesn't have to be removed.

lasstss
06-21-05, 01:39 PM
I was hoping you guys wouldn't ask these questions. Here's the story, my friend designs the short throw shifters for B&M and he gave me a call a few weeks ago. It was the first time I talked to him since I got the V. I asked him if B&M made a shifter for the V and he said yeah, you want one, after calling me an SOB for getting such an awesome car. I said hell yes I do, and he asked what year the V was and I said 05. He said perfect, we need to confirm that our shifter fits on the 05. So we made an appointment to install the shifter at my work and take all kinds of pictures with detailed instructions so I could submit them to Reed. Later I found out that the day of the appointment may not work for me so I called to tell him that I may have to reschedule. He said not to worry and that he was bringing someone to install it anyhow. So the day comes along and it was super busy day and I was out of the office all day long. So when I finally did get back to the office at nearly 7PM, I got back to find that my V now has a bitchin' short throw shifter. It's nice having good friends and I wish I could have at least met the man that did the installation, because he did a great job.

Now to answer some questions. Part#: 45067. Price: case of beer, or about $215 from Summit; I saw another post for $260 at Advance Auto. The stick is made from weighted 303 stainless steel. The base is made from 6061-T6 aluminum. It comes with a million mile warranty.

From eyewitness accounts and B&M's instructions, you only need to get under the car to remove the nut from the shoulder bolt. The exhaust or driveshaft doesn't have to be removed.

I guarantee you there is more to it than that... The stick is not removeable unless you drill out the rivits and there is no way they replaced the entire shifter assembly for $215.00. I have removed it twice. Sounds like they are supplying a stick and bearing mount to attach to the stock shifter frame???

Barak
06-21-05, 02:04 PM
I guarantee you there is more to it than that... The stick is not removeable unless you drill out the rivits and there is no way they replaced the entire shifter assembly for $215.00. I have removed it twice. Sounds like they are supplying a stick and bearing mount to attach to the stock shifter frame???

I'm not familiar with the other short throw shifters but go to the B&M website and check out the shifter. http://www.bmracing.com/media/catalog/3.pdf. Look at page 2 of the catalog, part number 45067 and you can see exactly what you get for $215. I do know that they had to drill out the rivets to install the new assembly. So I'm not sure what you mean by the entire shifter assembly, but what I do know is that the shifter feels amazing and I didn't pay a penny for it, but if I had to spend $215 or more for it, I gladly would.

lasstss
06-21-05, 05:21 PM
I'm not familiar with the other short throw shifters but go to the B&M website and check out the shifter. http://www.bmracing.com/media/catalog/3.pdf. Look at page 2 of the catalog, part number 45067 and you can see exactly what you get for $215. I do know that they had to drill out the rivets to install the new assembly. So I'm not sure what you mean by the entire shifter assembly, but what I do know is that the shifter feels amazing and I didn't pay a penny for it, but if I had to spend $215 or more for it, I gladly would.

Looks good, cant beat it for the money. I just dont like a direct coupled stick.
They did do something smart. They built their own socket housing and raised the ball position hence the short shift. This kept the link below from getting close to the drive shaft. Installaton wise its the same as the UUC unit.

Barak
06-21-05, 05:56 PM
Looks good, cant beat it for the money. I just dont like a direct coupled stick.

What do you mean by "direct coupled stick?" How does this one differ from other short throw shifters?

lasstss
06-21-05, 06:26 PM
What do you mean by "direct coupled stick?" How does this one differ from other short throw shifters?

Ktech, mallet and B&M have a one peice stick (shifter). THe UUC peice is isolated in silicone as to not transmit noise and vibration.

StealthV
06-21-05, 06:36 PM
Now take the B&M base and put in the UUC shifter....hmm..... :)

Barak
06-21-05, 07:14 PM
Now take the B&M base and put in the UUC shifter....hmm.....

I'll let my friend know your suggestion, I'll see what he thinks.

Sorry I just had to add this, I just noticed in your signature Stealth that you're running Bosch Platinum 4's. In my experience with those, they have got to be the worst plugs on the market. Obviously you don't have the same opinion of them as I do, but I'm curious to how they're working out for you.

StealthV
06-21-05, 08:08 PM
If the UUC and B&M pivot-balls are the same diameter...which they are probably not.

StealthV
06-21-05, 08:32 PM
Bosch Platinum 4's

In my experience, most performance issues post plug swap can be traced to other problems with the secondary ignition system such as a bad plug wire. All it takes is a post on something like LS1Tech.com to the effect "My car now runs like crap after plug swap..." and everyone is on the Bosch hate wagon even though the root cause may have been a plug wire damaged during the plug swap.

My V makes more power and runs smoother since installation of the +4s. Some more miles will tell the long term story; but as of today, I have absolutely no reason to pull them out. NGK TR-series and other traditional "internet preferred" plugs are certainly a good option when changing plugs.

Sometimes it is good to think differently than others; otherwise we'd all be driving identical cars and that would be boring. :cheers:


Back on topic - the B&M shifter is definitely a cost effective alternative and it will interesting to hear some more feedback. Even though I already have a UUC, I'm still curious to see how well the B&M is accepted by my fellow V owners.

HDMLNIUM
06-21-05, 09:19 PM
Sounds like a pretty nice choice for the money, the more options we have the better off we are...:thumbsup:

Bill
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lasstss
06-21-05, 09:25 PM
If the UUC and B&M pivot-balls are the same diameter...which they are probably not.

Looking at that alu base the ball has been relocated up. They probably have a a retaining ring holding it up in place.

Barak
06-22-05, 12:49 PM
In my experience, most performance issues post plug swap can be traced to other problems with the secondary ignition system such as a bad plug wire. All it takes is a post on something like LS1Tech.com to the effect "My car now runs like crap after plug swap..." and everyone is on the Bosch hate wagon even though the root cause may have been a plug wire damaged during the plug swap.

My V makes more power and runs smoother since installation of the +4s.

I've used Bosch +4's years ago on a number of vehicles, even German vehicles and found them to be less than satisfactory. So I'm not speaking from what I heard someone on LS1Tech say. I think part of the problem with the Bosch's is that one plug will cover 3 or more heat ranges. This may not be the case today, but it was like that in the past.

StealthV
06-22-05, 05:33 PM
Agree, they don't not work well in some vehicles. One of THE GM tuner gurus in the country told me the +4 works extremely well with the LS6 combustion chamber design. It is sort of an experiment for me to see if it is true - the jury is still out and no complaints so far. If they don't work well in the long run, I'll pop in some NGKs or something.

Plugs are cheap and easy. One of us has to be the guinea pig. :cheers:

BTW, if anyone thinks changing plugs on a LS6 sucks, they obviously never owned a Gen II LT1. :)

AmesCTS-V
06-22-05, 05:42 PM
Not to hijack here, but... I assume the stock plugs are Iridium? I've ran NGK's and Denso in my GTO and prefer the Denso's, but both are good plugs. The Denso's are way too expensive. I might have to try the +4's, sounds interesting.

Mutlu
06-22-05, 08:55 PM
What kind of gains from the Bosch did you notice? I am sure most of it is through the buttdyno but just curious.

StealthV
06-22-05, 10:15 PM
What I did notice post +4 install is the V runs more smoothly. There have been no noticeable buttdyno downsides so I would surmise that the +4s do infact ignite the fuel air mixture to a certain degree. :thumbsup:

Barak
06-22-05, 10:33 PM
I would surmise that the +4s do infact ignite the fuel air mixture to a certain degree.

I would certainly hope so! :histeric:

urbanski
06-23-05, 08:14 AM
lol

LV_V
06-23-05, 06:45 PM
So, back to the topic at hand, what is the difference between the B&M and UUC shifters? I am trying to make up my mind but I don't want to spend $400 on the UUC if the $215 B&M is just as good.

StealthV
06-23-05, 07:14 PM
Lasstss said it best "Ktech, Mallet and B&M have a one peice stick (shifter). The UUC peice is isolated in silicone as to not transmit noise and vibration."

Advantage, UUC.

Adding to that -

The B&M also appears to have its own pivot base and does not reuse the stock mount like the UUC.

Advantage, B&M. (maybe)

The UUC is a proven piece; the B&M to me is still up in the air. For half the price, the B&M is certainly an option worth considering.

Just like anything else in life, one typically gets what they pay for.

Barak
06-23-05, 08:13 PM
The B&M also appears to have its own pivot base and does not reuse the stock mount like the UUC.

Just like anything else in life, one typically gets what they pay for.


In this case, it appears one would get more with the B&M and all for less money than the UUC.

StealthV
06-23-05, 08:53 PM
The B&M has a one piece handle, the two piece UUC costs more to make.

LV_V
06-23-05, 10:05 PM
Is the B&M going to have the same shift accuracy and "crispness" as the UUC? Where can I buy the B&M?

Barak
06-24-05, 11:57 AM
Is the B&M going to have the same shift accuracy and "crispness" as the UUC? Where can I buy the B&M?

It sounds like the B&M is more crisp and has better shift accuracy than the UUC according to another recent thread. It terms of noise though, the UUC has it beat. Summit has the B&M, but it's not available until July. Check their website.

wildwhl
06-24-05, 12:18 PM
BTW, if anyone thinks changing plugs on a LS6 sucks, they obviously never owned a Gen II LT1. :)

Or a V8 Fiero, small or big block Chevy II...there are many bad plug change designs :banghead:

WillyV
07-11-05, 11:52 AM
I recently installed the B&M shifter and I couldn't be happier with the crispness and reduction in throw. HOWEVER, there is a lot of gear noise that I could do without. I know the UUC doesn't tranmit any gear noise because of its 2 piece deisgn, but I figured I'd give the B&M a shot because of the price difference.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to quiet the B&M?

Florian
07-11-05, 12:03 PM
Ive had 3 shifters in my V: Stock, Katech and now UUC. The winner? UUC hands down. Why? my car is a daily driver and I HATE gear noise. The Katech transmitted quite a bit of noise in 6th on the highway. On the plus side the Katech had a shorter, firmer more precise throw than the UUC, but since I need quiet, the UUC wins. Also the UUC is smoother in the throw, not as clunky, but still crisp. The UUC is about an inch longer than the Katech (back to stock length), so I had to relearn the throw height. Stock just plain sucks.

F

mitchntx
04-29-10, 09:48 AM
Resurecting this post ... I found it going through the FAQ.

I see these posts are from 05 ... my 06 V had an electronic module just in front of the shifter. It interfered with clearing the front studs when attempting to remove the plastic shifter plate. Maybe this is the passenger mirror tilt when in reverse module?

The B&M instructions didn't address its existence and searching here and on LS1Tech found nothing either.

So ...

If you notice at teh base of this module, there is the typical GM plastic "clip" that springs closed when the tab clears. Gently push that tab forward with a small screwdriver and lift this end up.

The front side, which is hidden, is a nothing more than a boss that fits in a groove. The groove is in the plastic shifter plate. You have to work it to get everything clear, but once you get the module free, rotate it 90* CCW and push it forward.

Now, the plate will come out.

soulja
04-30-10, 12:49 PM
I just covered the base of my shifter under the boot with dynamat and it reduced the noise greatly. I'm loving my B&M.

sundevil05ctsv
06-16-11, 10:31 AM
Can someone provide me with a link to this B&M short shifter! I cant find anyone that still has it in stock for my 05 CTS V

rand49er
06-16-11, 10:39 AM
I think they're pretty tough to find these days. Didn't somebody like Atlantic Speed have some once upon a time?

If you can't scare one up, PM PISNUOFF about reworking your stock shifter or call Luke Butler at Lindsay Cadillac for a UUC shifter.

Koooop
06-16-11, 11:40 PM
That's it! I got mine from Atlantic speed!

You better start with a time machine and go back a few years to get one.

JDB
06-17-11, 09:05 PM
That's it! I got mine from Atlantic speed!

You better start with a time machine and go back a few years to get one.

I got one from them just before Christmas... must've been the last one on the planet. ...they took their link to the product down from their website.

Koooop
06-17-11, 09:29 PM
I have a stock one in a box in my garage. But that goes with my car when I sell it.

Koooop
06-17-11, 09:30 PM
I got one from them just before Christmas... must've been the last one on the planet. ...they took their link to the product down from their website.

I hope you put a solid T-Bar shift knob on top of that shifter, it's makes all of the difference in the world.

CadzillaTN
06-18-11, 12:41 AM
I got one from them just before Christmas... must've been the last one on the planet. ...they took their link to the product down from their website.

Did you get your free t-shirt??

Koooop
06-20-11, 12:41 AM
I did get my free t-shirt!