: Why onstar is a waste of money.....



hotmanali
06-07-05, 02:35 AM
:banghead: :banghead: So i am not a cadillac owner but i "DID" own a 2004 Chevrolet Silverado. 1 week ago my silverado was stolen and when the officer took the report i contacted onstar to locate my vehicle.... "sorry sir we were unable to contact your vehicle but will continue to attempt, please remember that we are here for you."

What a load..... i did some research and if you all look under your hoods or in one of the fuse boxes that you have in your vehicles you will notice that there is a fuse labeled "info." if you pull that fuse your onstar system is now disabled...... phone, emergency and tracking...... WOW what a tracking system. i was one of the idiots that have been paying for over a year and have a major complaint with them. i plan to uncover this soon to a few people i know in the new industry and have them do a report on my truck being stolen and onstar not being able to do a thing about it.

i suggust that you all call and complain to onstar management..... be cautions though.... when you call they will act completly stupid and tell you that they will put in the complaint for you.... insist on speaking to a manager on duty or someone in the corporate office...... i HAD a $30,000 truck with $35,000 in accessories and it's now gone. next time i am getting anything else but onstar.... i won't even get their free service.

Vesicant
06-07-05, 02:51 AM
Humm...



Danbuc where are you on this? :D

Jesda
06-07-05, 03:13 AM
Ouch man, I hope you get your Chevy back!

On the plus side (because I'm the paranoid type) its nice to know you can easily disable tracking.

BUILDINGCTSAMG
06-07-05, 03:49 AM
lojack really is the best tracking system

fast66
06-07-05, 04:32 AM
I believe you can just pull off the antenna located on the top of your truck.. That will disable onstar as well. :(

davesdeville
06-07-05, 07:10 AM
$35k in accessories? Damn, did you gold plate the truck or what?

Boombotz
06-07-05, 07:52 AM
Wow, sorry to here about your truck. I am going to have to look more into this onstar thing. I didn't realize how easy it was, but really I think every security feature is going to have a disconnect. Look if someone cuts your phone lines or crawls through your attic they can get past your home alarm too. So in all rights why bother paying. For me, I think in some ways it just kind of keeps the kids away that are stealing just for drugs and s**t. The pros know what there doing and if they want it they will get it. The real good ones wouldn't have even moved your truck and could have stripped it right there in minutes. Well good luck hopefully you carried the extra insurance for those upgrades and it would probaly be in your best intrest now if it wasn't found. You can get yourself a new Chevy the other one is probaly destroyed beyond what you would want back anyway. I will make some phone calls on this though to see what they have to say. I know, I won't get rid of onstar because I found it very useful when I got in an accident with my little girl in the truck, but I would be pissed to if I were in your shoes.

Sandy
06-07-05, 10:09 AM
Let me ask you a question:

WHY do you all think that GM makes On Star STANDARD equipment in 90% of their cars, and gives you it for free for a period of time, and then begans charging you for it?
Because, they want you to get used to the "peace of mind" of "having it" and the "fear" of then losing it, (or having it - God Forbid - SHUT OFF! I'd bet that they also send you all kinds of scare notices via mail of losing the system that allows you to order flowers or make dinner reservations! W-O-W!

I'd never get it, never depend upon it. But know what? GM will not even ALLOW you to DELETE it when ordering a new car from the factory. It's as mandatory as wheels!

Remember, STAR spelt backwards is ON RATS !

turbojimmy
06-07-05, 10:28 AM
I just got mine working for the helluvit. I'll probably cancel the service soon, though. It's a neat 'gee whiz' gadget but it doesn't provide me any more 'peace of mind' than a cell phone does. Theives are smart enough to disable the system when they steal a car - it ain't no LoJack. There are multiple ways of disabling it within a few seconds.

I've only used the system when I've forgotten my cell phone (they threw in a bunch of minutes at 1/2 price so I bit).

Jim

Sandy
06-07-05, 10:44 AM
It is very good for the day that you forget your cell phone (or its battery has died) and you are in your SUV out in the wilderness, all alone, and a tree falls upon the front end of your truck, crushing the engine and you are trapped. In that case, it's wonderful. Stats show that 80% of all SUVs never go off road, nor into the wilderness and the only hills they climb are the speed bumps at the malls. :histeric:

danbuc
06-07-05, 11:10 AM
I have to say that I must agree....F**K ONstar! I'll never forget the time My friend, and I were driving down the West Side highway trying to find this place where my Dad's band was playing that night. He hits the Onstar button, and the person says, "High, this is On.........." Right in the middle of the damn city we lost the cell signal. So we called back again, and this time they got as far as , "High, this is Onstar, hwo may I assi........" Lost the signal again. We tried this four times, but each time we did, we lost the signal. I finally ended up using my cell phone to call information, who was more than helpful is letting us know how to get there.

For the money that people spend on ONstar, they could get that Low-Jack service or whatever, and keep a cell phone handy, and they would be better off.

I'll never goret the day I was wandering around the showroom floor of my local caddy dealer here, when I overheard one of the manager dudes, talking to someone on the phone about Onstar. His conversation went something like this......"F**K Onstar, there system isn't worth S**T. I sell this crap to people who belive in it, but I know it's a piece of s**t! F**k Onstar, and everything they stand for!!!...CLICK" I just died laughing when I head this guy ranting about how much Onstar sucked. Luckily I was the only one there at the time, so no one was offended. I just thought it was great to see someone who sells the crap, rant about how much it sucks....hehe.

hotmanali
06-07-05, 11:38 AM
Well here is the thing...... apparently as well if you have the GM keyless entry or an aftermarket alarm you are in no better shape either.... your alarm won't even make a sound and they are in your car... here is how.... take a 500,000v stun gun and zap the car on the chasis and your alarm is fried.... that aslo includes your factory keyless entry.... this however does nothing to your vahicle's other electronics..... what is interesting is that now within 10 seconds they zap the alarm.... pop the hood and pull the fuse and before you can even call onstar or the cops they are gone.... LITERALLY..... so what to do.... lojack is not the answer either.... if you know nay dead zones (and most warehouses are) then they can't do anything......

it comes down to one thing...... IF THEY WANT IT, IT"S THEIRS........

just make sure you have insurance and get your behind covered. as for me i did have insurance on all that $35,000 worth or extras but that was because mine was a show truck and had many modifications. i just hope they don't depreciate it so much...... anyone here work for an insurance company that can give me some advice?

turbojimmy
06-07-05, 11:53 AM
it comes down to one thing...... IF THEY WANT IT, IT"S THEIRS........

That's my philosophy. I don't make it easy for the crooks, but I try not to get too attached and keep my insurance loaded up. Actually, someone stealing the DTS would be a good thing - I'd get market value for it.

Jim

radbag
06-07-05, 12:01 PM
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_feb2003/RedneckCarAlarm.jpg

hotmanali
06-07-05, 12:12 PM
I just needed to use your car

After shopping for most of the day, a couple returns to find their car has been stolen. They go to the police station to make a full report. Then, a detective drives them back to the parking lot to see if any evidence can be found at the scene of the crime. To their amazement, the car has been returned.

There is an envelope on the windshield with a note of apology and two tickets to a music concert. The note reads, "I apologize for taking your car, but my wife was having a baby and I had to hot-wire your ignition to rush her to the hospital. Please forgive the inconvenience. Here are two tickets for tonight's concert of Garth Brooks, the country-and-western music star."

Their faith in humanity restored, the couple attend the concert and return home late. They find their house has been robbed. Valuable goods have been taken from thoughout the house, from basement to attic. And, there is a note on the door reading, "Well, you still have your car. I have to put my newly born kid through college somehow, don't I?"

hotmanali
06-07-05, 12:30 PM
now it gets better...... just go to google and search for
"hot to disable onstar" and you get this

http://www.hypertech-inc.com/install_instructions/pp4/pp4pg2.html

enjoy...... pictures and all.

Rolex
06-07-05, 12:48 PM
lojack really is the best tracking system

+1. Anything of real value needs a lojack. You can conceal the lojack and the thief will never know its on board. On Star is great for unlocking doors and notifying the authorities when your airbag deploys, but I think most people would agree its a pretty poor tracking system for stolen vehicles. A car thief would have to be a total idiot not to know to snap the onstar antenna off the roof. JMEHO

Elvis
06-07-05, 12:58 PM
The OnStar technology is impressive, but this application of it is not.

They'll sell the XM radio as an add-on, but force you to have OnStar for a year whether you want it or not. That makes NO SENSE at all to me.

Here GM is dying on the vine, practically GIVING cars away at or below cost. They OWN XM. Why not develop a complete satellite communications package with OnStar, cellular communications, and XM--then GIVE IT AWAY with every car? At the end of two or three years, if the customer wants to extend the package they can pay $50 a month, or else they can BUY A NEW CAR!

People buy the sizzle, not the steak. They're more impressed with freebies like that than they are the actual vehicle.

Stoneage_Caddy
06-07-05, 01:18 PM
we got it on the 2nd malibu ...heres why :

Malibu Number one as some of you know was bought back by GM ...Service managers and regional managers all said "if you had on star we could have...." ....theres reason number one ...

Reason Number two ...One night Malibu #1 Lost all steering assitst to the right , makeing the car pull hard left ..My mom had to use all her stregth to keep the car going stirght when it happend at 75 MPH on I-275.....The car also simotanoisly did a few other things , like turn all its lights off....If the car out of nowhere is going to turn hard left and shut off its lights we want the car to call GM and tell them where to send to cornoner ....

Reason 3 .....Malibu Number one didnt like to start up when we wanted it to...It would be nice not to have to worry about our exact location and directions how to get to us when the car dies

Reason 4 ....Malibu was the stereotypical first year GM peice of Junk , all the onstar documentation woulad have helped us speed our lemon case along faster

Reason 5 ....The car will call onstar when we are killed or severly injured because of a terrible GM product or a terrible florida driver....The malibu was desgined to have it and will even alert if the car is hit fromt he side , so technicaly the frontal airbags dont have to go off to get onstar looking for us , the G load sensors in the sides of the ar or the side airbags going off will be enought o call onstar , something most other GMs dont do (it will call onstar only int he event of frontal impact) ...of coarse this all depends on the Malibus teprimental electronics package and what is feels like doing today.....

Thats why we got it ...after our first malibu we are scared of the second car , so far its been wonderful , living up to our every expectiation....but like Number one we arent sure when the thing would flip out ....

weister42
06-07-05, 01:18 PM
Any car alarm/onstar type of security system have a way to disable it, whether if it's a fuse, wire, antenna, switch, resistor...whatever. I'm very familiar with electronics and I can tell you the only way for someone to break a sweat to steal your car is to make the time to steal longer. Paranoia usually gets pretty intense if you have to stay in the vehicle for more than a few minutes, that's why sometimes a stolen/jacked car have things literally ripped out and left abandoned with other valuables that are well intact.


Well there's one thing you CAN do to get back at the crooks who steals your car...

Wire a C4 plastic explosive and a 2 way switch with your ignition wire, turn the switch to the C4 after you park and if someone tries to hotwire it they'll blow up into a million pieces along with your car.:bighead:

Spyder
06-07-05, 02:05 PM
and the switch shorts out and sends the charge to the C4 with the regular key in the right spot...a la Casino, eh...

ShadowLvr400
06-07-05, 04:23 PM
The best way to protect your car is this... Be unique. Here in Orlando, with its sizable population, a guy got his 94 Caprice stolen... 22" spinners, electric metallic blue, noisy exhaust, etc. Bubblicious or something in huge graphic art across the back window... Cops found it within a day, before it could be taken to be chopped. Why? Because the car is so obvious. Similar event with a hit and run, and another tricked out Caprice, the car and driver were found within just a few days. Essentially, it's hard to hide a white elephant in a flock of sheep. That's part of why I make sure my cars are distinguishable. It's not always tasteful, but it's effective to have a vehicle that stands out.


Another trick on my Eldo... Whenever I parked, I'd close the nitrous tank but arm the system. If it got stolen (and a buddy once jokingly tried to take off in it) the system would spray fuel, but without the added nitrous, the car'd flood and stall. Took 10 minutes to get refired again. If you didn't know that about the car, you'd have almost no chance of figuring it out too. Kept all my switches hidden. The purple neon lights were another flashy thing about that Eldo, and noone could find the switch for it without knowing where to look.

Rob_M
06-07-05, 04:50 PM
Yeah I have to agree that sucks!! Definitely they should have thought of that before they designed it like having some sort of backup if the fuse went or something. For vehicle security I would also say that LoJack is the way to go. It can dispatch the police withing 2 feet of the car. One of the things with alarms also is installing the unit and everything so that the thiefs cant get to it.

hotmanali
06-07-05, 05:15 PM
here is a pic of my truck... i think it's flashy enough......

http://www.lilkid.com/outside/dsc_0150.jpg
http://www.lilkid.com/outside/DSC_0209.jpg
http://www.lilkid.com/outside/DSC_0212.jpg
http://www.lilkid.com/outside/DSC_0230.jpg
http://www.lilkid.com/outside/dsc_0071.jpg

Stoneage_Caddy
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
yup its flashy ...

I hope you dont mine that i changed them to links , they are a bit too steamy , some of us are at work LOL...but i did leave them so folks can click and see ...the truck ...yah the truck thats what were looking at....LOL ...boy people sure are lucky ...

hotmanali
06-07-05, 05:23 PM
no problem at all.... i hear you on that one... lucky for me no one looks over my sholder too much.

ShadowLvr400
06-07-05, 05:27 PM
Nice truck. On the one hand, it should be easy enough to spot out on the roadways... On the other... that's a popular truck for theives to take and strip for parts.... Sorry to say. Good looking woman too. Reow, remind me that I have a g/f I love, someone. :)

Stoneage_Caddy
06-07-05, 05:29 PM
cool ...some people get upset when i do that ....

any word yet on whats going to happen with the truck ?

whatca going to replace it with ?

hotmanali
06-07-05, 05:36 PM
damn it man.... you have a GF that you love..... treat her right.....

so anyways.... i have to wait the 30 days and then see what happens.... they will offer me money and if i accept it's all good... if not then i have to hire a lawyer.... we'll see.

Vesicant
06-07-05, 05:52 PM
Buy a Cadillac :D

Elvis
06-07-05, 05:54 PM
What truck?

slk230mb
06-07-05, 08:18 PM
What truck?

:yeah:

hehehehehe