: B&B Header install



HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 06:25 PM
Well I have just about an hour into the header install tonight and it looks like it is going to be a fairly easy install. Just looked through the B&B box and I guess I was one of the unlucky ones that they didn't include the o2 bung plugs for. So I won't be getting them on tonight..:nono:
Anyway, I haven't looked at the instructions so they might tell you to do these things anyway to make the job easier. But I will share how I am doing it anyway.
First I am doing all of the top side stuff first before jacking up the car.
I removed the strut tower brace, engine covers, and then to get extra room I took the coil brackets off with the coils and wires on them. I used a pair of long needle nose pliers grabed a hold of the sparkplug wire heat shields and a long screwdriver to pry them off with, they pulled right off. Get all that out of your way, I moved the battery cables around a little to get more room there too. Spark plugs were real easy to get out and I started to take off the header bolts. I sent my wife to Sears to get me a set of the ratchet wrenches as I didn't have them in metric. A 13 mm ratchet wrench should make very quick work of the header bolts. Here are a couple pics so far, the wife should be back any minute so I can finish the top stuff. No cuts yet...:thumbsup:
Bill
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-2.jpg

willsctsv
06-02-05, 07:03 PM
Hey, where's your FFV?:tease:

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 07:11 PM
FFV, I know I need to order one, the new and improved now in stock??

About and hour and a half of wrench time and all is done on the removal up top. o2's unplugged and everything unbolted and ready to jack up.
Here are a couple more pics...
Your friend for the header bolts if you are not using air..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-3.jpg

All ready to jack up....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-4.jpg
Well headed out to get her on jackstands before supper is ready...
Bill

CVP33
06-02-05, 07:11 PM
I should've taken the coil packs off. Those things were literally cutting into my wrists. As far as the O2 bungs. You'll need both. There are sensors both fore and aft of the cats. Read my posts for other hints, although you probably have me covered as you had the sense to pull the coil packs. Good luck.

cvp

CVP33
06-02-05, 07:12 PM
Don't know if I mentioned this before. The exhaust manifolds weight 23 lbs. apiece and the headers weigh 13 lbs. So you're also saving 20 lbs. off the front end. :thumbsup:

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 07:18 PM
CVP33,

I have 6 o2 bungs, 4 before and 2 after the cats, I need to get two plugs.
Some of us got the extra for tuning and to get airfuel on the dyno with out having to pull one of the pre-o2's.
I will check out your thread to see your hints, it is always good to share to help each other out..
Well spent to much time playing on the computer and supper is now ready.. lol
I guess I will jack her up a little later and get the manifolds and cats off..

Bill

wildwhl
06-02-05, 07:32 PM
HDMLNIUM -


Not certain..but a spark plug will plug that hole...maybe one of your original plugs (because you're putting new plugs in?)?

CVP33
06-02-05, 07:38 PM
The bung is actually larger than a spark plug. I also tried this prior to installing.

ssmith100
06-02-05, 07:42 PM
To plug the hole you need a 19mm oil drain plug off a Japanese vehicle. Any auto parts store will have them;)

Shane

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 07:42 PM
Yeah, I can slide the whole sparkplug right through the bung hole. Wait that dosen't sound right... lol:histeric:

Well done eating now so it is back to work...:thumbsup:

Bill

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 07:45 PM
To plug the hole you need a 19mm oil drain plug off a Japanese vehicle. Any auto parts store will have them;)

Shane

Thanks for the idea, I will give Napa a call and if they have them I guess the wife will be off for another road trip...:shhh:

Just got off the phone with Napa and they don't show any listing for 19mm drain plug..
Also checked the drain plug on my spare MR2 motor and it is too small...:banghead:
Back to the drawing board...

Bill

StealthV
06-02-05, 08:26 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=301176&postcount=102

REPOTF. ;)

crowan
06-02-05, 09:07 PM
Yeah, I can slide the whole sparkplug right through the bung hole.


Bill

Do you think you could call me at home tonight and repeat that line, over and over, in a female British accent?

Talk about beating the cubes!:histeric:

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 10:55 PM
Well the car is back down on the ground for the night and I feel better after a nice shower. Got the factory manifolds and cats off. Two out of the 4 factory bolts after the cats broke while taking them off. I figured I would just put the headers on and get the plugs tomorrow. So I pulled the two o2 sensors from the pass side cat and put it on the B&B and installed that side pretty quick. Then I pulled out the after cat o2 sensor and put it in the new cat, all was still going good. Now here comes the pisser of the night that put an end to my fun. I could not budge the pre-cat o2 on the very last o2 to change. So being determind in all I got out a hammer and pounded it around till she came out, about 20 minutes to get it out. Junk, must of been stripped while being put in from the factory is my guess. So tomorrow after work I will have to go buy a new o2 and get a couple of plugs to finish her up with.
Thanks Rick for the info...

Crowan, I thought that sounded a little funny, I figured it would turn on a couple people here..:lildevil:


Bill

Here are a couple more pictures for you..

Manifolds and cats off..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Header-7.jpg

Pass header on..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Header-6.jpg

Junk o2 and stripped bung..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/junk-o2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/stripped-Bung.jpg

wildwhl
06-02-05, 11:29 PM
Hey, Bill...just a reminder (probably too late for this one):

Rightie Tightie, Lefty Loosey :canttalk:

Thanks for the photos and update. Hope you can find an O2 easily...and can't wait to hear what your buttometer circa 19?? reports as to power improvements!

HDMLNIUM
06-02-05, 11:51 PM
Hey, Bill...just a reminder (probably too late for this one):

Rightie Tightie, Lefty Loosey :canttalk:

Thanks for the photos and update. Hope you can find an O2 easily...and can't wait to hear what your buttometer circa 19?? reports as to power improvements!

:histeric: :thumbsup: :banghead: Damnit I knew I should have paid more attention in school..
Believe it or not, I went left all the way, hit myself in the shin once when I missed the wrench..:histeric:
I can't wait to see how it sounds and feels, I will take her to the dyno after to see what it shows there too.

Bill

heavymetals
06-03-05, 01:37 AM
Has anyone installed a set of these and mated them to a Corsa exhaust system?

Any problems?

Thanks!

wildwhl
06-03-05, 02:26 AM
...I was thinking they'd mate to the stock exhaust no problem...but then I remembered the stock collector situation, so can't really be of any help. What is the Corsa front flange/connector like? Same as stock? Since I have the stock exhaust and headers sitting beside each other, I can check it out and see tomorrow.

heavymetals
06-03-05, 02:33 AM
Yeah same as stock.

Slight flange I believe.

I had a long conversation when I ordered the headers and I was assured no problem.

I just don't want to get it on a rack and have the dreaded "phone call".

Thanks!

CVP33
06-03-05, 07:52 AM
Bill,

Did you have any issues with the "fore position" passenger side O2 sensor? Mine was just barely long enough to connect and the wire is still pretty tight. I noticed that is was attached at the rear of the engine block but wasn't sure if that was just a tie-down or an actual connections.

As far as the manifold bolts go, I got you beat. I broke 3. I believe these were made to install once.

HDMLNIUM
06-03-05, 12:12 PM
CVP33,
The pre-cat o2 on the pass side was a little tight but she will be fine, after all wouldn't you prefer her to be a little tight than too loose... :histeric:
You could pop the harness off the back of the motor for more slack if you need it, but I don't think you need to.
Working late tonight and have to work tomorrow so if I have time to get the o2 and plugs I should have her back running Saturday night. Then put her back up and do the UUC shifter on Sunday...
What is everyone putting back in for sparkplugs, NGK tr55's should work pretty good and I think that is what I will pick up...

Bill

CVP33
06-03-05, 05:46 PM
I put stock back in. I doubt I'd notice the 3 HP gain of the others.

c5racr1
06-03-05, 08:09 PM
how much does the stock manifolds weigh verses teh headers?

HDMLNIUM
06-03-05, 08:26 PM
c5racr1,
Here is your answer, CVP33 posted the info on the first page..:thumbsup:


Don't know if I mentioned this before. The exhaust manifolds weight 23 lbs. apiece and the headers weigh 13 lbs. So you're also saving 20 lbs. off the front end. :thumbsup:

Also, car won't be going back together until next week. The bad part of living in the sticks (Maine) no one had the o2 sensor in the State. I have it coming from Mass and it won't be here until Monday. Next week is real busy for me at work so she will most likely go back together next weekend.. We will see if I have any spare time before then...

Bill
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05 CTS-V--- Light Platinum
Llumar Clear Bra and Tinted windows, LS6 Emblem, Stealth-V z06 fuel rail covers
K&N drop in filter, B&B 3" resonator exhaust....more mods coming..
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wildwhl
06-05-05, 04:26 PM
OK. Did the headers this morning.

First, thanks Bill! The 13mm gear wrench was the total key. Also, remove the coil packs. Takes about 10 minutes, and can even make pulling the plug wires/heatshields easier. Way better with them out of the way. When replacing, plug the wires onto the spark plugs first, and then bolt the coil packs in place. This will give you enough room to use your hands on 7 of 8 cylinders.

Took me 3.5 hours start to finish including test drive, swapping rear wheels, and refitting/removing the FRC's.

They fit perfectly. I had zero clearance issues. The sound is great. The power seems pretty damn cool too (but I will log and tune with WB02 before pushing too hard).

Thanks Billy Boat for another fantastic product.

WW

trekster
06-05-05, 05:04 PM
nm shouldve read the post.

urbanski
06-05-05, 06:58 PM
I put stock back in. I doubt I'd notice the 3 HP gain of the others.put the manifolds back in?
OMG really?

the car is 100% different with headers....

and I got 20HP+ with them, too :cheers:

HDMLNIUM
06-05-05, 07:13 PM
put the manifolds back in?
OMG really?

the car is 100% different with headers....

and I got 20HP+ with them, too :cheers:

He is talking about the stock sparkplugs, he put them back in.. Not the manifolds...

Bill

CVP33
06-05-05, 08:04 PM
:histeric: Yes spark plugs!!!

You can pry the headers from my cold dead slight bruised from installation hands. :histeric:

wildwhl
06-05-05, 09:02 PM
This reminds me, we should come up with a "level of difficulty scale" with appropriate emoticons to match:

Level 1 (1 beer) - Dirty hands
Level 2 (2 beers) - Dirty hands + sweat
Level 3 (6 pack) - Dirty hands and knees + sweat + blood
Level 4 (12 pack and a friend) - Dirty hands, knees, face and arse + blood + sweat + tears
Level 5 (12 pack, a shot, two or more friends) - Dirty hands, knees, face and arse + blood + sweat + tears + cursing and at least 3 broken knuckles

I give the headers a Level 2 (but it was in the a.m. so I skipped the beers).
The Maggie is a Level 4 :lildevil:

Level 5's should be saved for long winters and/or certified mechanics that need to work off trade :drinker

urbanski
06-05-05, 09:08 PM
:histeric: Yes spark plugs!!!

You can pry the headers from my cold dead slight bruised from installation hands. :histeric:
LOL indeed
:cheers:

urbanski
06-05-05, 09:10 PM
This reminds me, we should come up with a "level of difficulty scale" with appropriate emoticons to match:

Level 1 (1 beer) - Dirty hands
Level 2 (2 beers) - Dirty hands + sweat
Level 3 (6 pack) - Dirty hands and knees + sweat + blood
Level 4 (12 pack and a friend) - Dirty hands, knees, face and arse + blood + sweat + tears
Level 5 (12 pack, a shot, two or more friends) - Dirty hands, knees, face and arse + blood + sweat + tears + cursing and at least 3 broken knuckles

I give the headers a Level 2 (but it was in the a.m. so I skipped the beers).
The Maggie is a Level 4 :lildevil:

Level 5's should be saved for long winters and/or certified mechanics that need to work off trade :drinker
your levels are way off dude

i tried to check the tigntness of the header bolts after my install, to be sure none had backed out....i couldn't reach even one and took it back to the shop!!! :D

the headers are a 5+++ on your scale!! LOL

Now since it's all relative, how about I ask you to rate reading a brain MRI scan for me!! I give that a 1 =] :p

wildwhl
06-05-05, 09:18 PM
:hmm: MRI's not my specialty for sure...but remember, I'm not a mechanic, just a silly printer ;)

Can I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express first? :want:

You're right, the bolts are tough to get to with the coil packs in place, but certainly not impossible (and no more than a 2 on the scale). Actually, now that I read my post again, I see a typo...I'd give the headers a 3. I do have a couple of light scratches on my wrists, and I did get pretty dirty (but mostly from changing wheels around). It didn't take long enough for a 6 pack though...so maybe a 2.5

I didn't realize you were afraid to get your hands dirty, Urby? And you bought a pushrod motor american car? :cookoo:

HDMLNIUM
06-05-05, 09:37 PM
Headers are a 3 I would say on that scale..

UUC shifter was a 2

Reading a Brain MRI scan I give that a 1, Hey I never said I would be able to read it right... But my hands would be clean and no cuts...:histeric:

Bill

HDMLNIUM
06-06-05, 05:32 PM
Just an update, all I am waiting on is the new o2 sensor to show up so I can try this baby out. I want to fire her up and give her a listen so bad...:banghead:

Anyway, everything is back together, the UUC shifter is in and as soon as I get home from work tomorrow with the new o2 she will be running..
All in all the Header and the UUC shifter were pretty easy installs..
Later this week I hope to get all of the BMR parts in and see how that feels.
Bill

Finished pics..
B&B from underneath...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-7.jpg

All back together up top..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/Headers-8.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/th_front-1.jpghttp://photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/th_engine-yeah.jpghttp://photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/th_rear-1.jpg
05 CTS-V--- Light Platinum
Llumar Clear Bra and Tinted windows, LS6 Emblem, Stealth-V z06 fuel rail covers
K&N drop in filter, B&B Headers-high flow cats-3" resonator exhaust, UUC shifter, BMR kit
Online Photos http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/HDMLNIUM/