Forum Revamp:

GENERAL DISCUSSION: (SHOWS up on forum home)
Lounge (does not show up on forum home)
Introductions (does not show up on forum home)
Non-Model Specific Cadillac (does not show up on forum home)
Appearance and Detailing (does not show up on forum home)
Classifieds (does not show up on forum home)
News/Feedback/Suggestions (does not show up on forum home)

TECHNICAL DISCUSSION: (SHOWS up on forum home)
Northstar Engine-Specific Performance (does not show up on forum home)
Pushrod Engine-Specific Performance (does not show up on forum home)
Electrical Specific (does not show up on forum home)
Suspension Specific (does not show up on forum home)
Infotainment Specific (does not show up on forum home)

MODEL SPECIFIC DISCUSSION: (SHOWS up on forum home)
1982 and newer FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood FWD (does not show up on forum home)
--Allante (does not show up on forum home)
--Cimarron (does not show up on forum home)

1982 and newer RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--CTS (does not show up on forum home)
--SRX (does not show up on forum home)
--XLR (does not show up on forum home)
--Catera (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood/Fleetwood Brougham RWD (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (FWD only?) (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Fleetwood and Fleetwood Brougham (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (RWD available?) (does not show up on forum home)

Sport Utility Vehicles (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Escalade, ESV, EXT (does not show up on forum home)

If you make changes, please copy and paste what we've already got and point out the edits...

Thanks...

I'm still holding to my other arguements :p- that it's not necessary to divide DeVilles and Fleetwoods and that there's really no reason to have classic or pre-1981 section (I like your idea from last week about that). Having both these splits would just cause more confusion, and make it that some questions might not get as many good answers or might get repeated because of what forums people would be hanging out in.

These pictures show why I think it's better to have a RWD section only- one of these cars is a 1978, one is a 1980/81 and one is a 1990-1992. There's also an engine shot of a 1980 and one of a 1992. Im not going to bother spending the time to go back further then that...

From a purely practical point of view, I think it's better to divide the Forums more as Sal is doing. Why? Because the Board is still *relatively* small and, while not exactly fun, it is possible to go through a Forum and divide it up. If, in the future, we feel the need to consolidate some Forums, that's easy to do. If we go the other way, with less Forums now, it would be a much more daunting task to separate each Forum Thread by Thread after we double, triple, quadruple, etc., in size.

There will always be a tradeoff between better "organization" (more Forums/Subforums) and less "clutter" (fewer Forums/SubForums). I think Sal's proposal is the best of both worlds.

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a Transmission Tech Forum or Subforum. And how about adding Steering and Brakes to the Suspension Tech?

I understand that, but the difference between DeVilles and Fleetwoods is so minor that if you have a DeVille you could get seats from a wrecker from a fleetwood and you're more then halfway there! Even Cadillac kept them together in the service manuals. It wouldn't matter how big the site got cause you'd never have to split them up anyway- almost all the questions about both would be so similar that no-one would probably even realize who owned what unless they said it somewhere or started asking questions about the differences. If you look at a 1988 Sedan DeVille and 1988 Fleetwood the seats and door panels are different, the Fleetwood has real wood on the dash, a 1/2 vinyl roof, and some different trim on the rocker panels and door bottoms. That's about it.

Wheres the future/concepts/rumors forum? I like that forum, and its not just cause I'm the mod there :)

Oh yeah, another thought. We could put "Forums" on the secondary pages which are links back to other Forums. So on the "General" Page you could have:

Lounge
Introductions
Non-Model Specific Cadillac
Appearance and Detailing
Classifieds
News/Feedback/Suggestions
Technical Discussion (Link)
Model Specific Discussion (Link)

I think this might make navigating around a little easier. The other secondary pages would likewise have "Forums" which link to the other Sections like this for 1982 and newer FWD:

Eldorado and Seville
Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille
Fleetwood FWD
Allante
Cimarron
Other Model Specific Discussion (Link to Model Specific Discussion Page)
Technical Discussion (Link)
General Discussion (Link)

And the Tech Section Page would look like this:

Northstar Engine-Specific Performance
Pushrod Engine-Specific Performance
Transmission Specific
Electrical Specific
Suspension/Steering/Brakes Specific
Infotainment Specific
Model Specific Discussion (Link)
General Discussion (Link)

Oh yeah, another thought. We could put "Forums" on the secondary pages which are links back to other Forums. So on the "General" Page you could have:

Lounge
Introductions
Non-Model Specific Cadillac
Appearance and Detailing
Classifieds
News/Feedback/Suggestions
Technical Discussion (Link)
Model Specific Discussion (Link)

I think this might make navigating around a little easier. The other secondary pages would likewise have "Forums" which link to the other Sections like this for 1982 and newer FWD:

Eldorado and Seville
Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille
Fleetwood FWD
Allante
Cimarron
FUTURE MODELS SECTION/CONCEPTS :D
Other Model Specific Discussion (Link to Model Specific Discussion Page)
Technical Discussion (Link)
General Discussion (Link)

And the Tech Section Page would look like this:

Northstar Engine-Specific Performance
Pushrod Engine-Specific Performance
Transmission Specific
Electrical Specific
Suspension/Steering/Brakes Specific
Infotainment Specific
Model Specific Discussion (Link)
General Discussion (Link)

Small Change in red

Small Change in redActually, I did just what you did after I read your Post, but that's not the right spot...It would be:


MODEL SPECIFIC DISCUSSION: (SHOWS up on forum home)
1982 and newer FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood FWD (does not show up on forum home)
--Allante (does not show up on forum home)
--Cimarron (does not show up on forum home)

1982 and newer RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--CTS (does not show up on forum home)
--SRX (does not show up on forum home)
--XLR (does not show up on forum home)
--Catera (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood/Fleetwood Brougham RWD (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (FWD only?) (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Fleetwood and Fleetwood Brougham (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (RWD available?) (does not show up on forum home)

Sport Utility Vehicles (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Escalade, ESV, EXT (does not show up on forum home)

Future Vehicles/Concepts/Rumors (SHOWS up on forum home)
--2005 STS (does not show up on forum home)
--2006 DeVille (does not show up on forum home)
--Concepts and Rumors (does not show up on forum home)

I'm still holding to my other arguements :p- that it's not necessary to divide DeVilles and Fleetwoods and that there's really no reason to have classic or pre-1981 section (I like your idea from last week about that). Having both these splits would just cause more confusion, and make it that some questions might not get as many good answers or might get repeated because of what forums people would be hanging out in.

These pictures show why I think it's better to have a RWD section only- one of these cars is a 1978, one is a 1980/81 and one is a 1990-1992. There's also an engine shot of a 1980 and one of a 1992. Im not going to bother spending the time to go back further then that...

Why are you so against the '81 and older? Just let us try it out.

hmm... Personally, I feel the only change that should be made from how it is now is to have a FWD Deville and Fleetwood and RWD Deville and Fleetwood.

But when you guys do the change, I'll fully support you.

From the first draft, a problem I see is that the 81 and older FWD will have very littly activity, with only a '80-81 Seville and 67-81 Eldorado fitting the category. I think pre-82 should be all in one category.

Why are you so against the '81 and older? Just let us try it out.

I keep saying why- because having the cutoff there makes no sense! I like the older Cadillacs best too, that's why I have a 1991. Because it's the last of the old style. Why are you so dead set on having 1981 and older? Why not 1976 and older or why not 1992 and older? I think it's because you really don't know anything about the newer ones and havent spent much time bothering with them. Forget the 4.1L thing ever happened. All the RWDs upto 1992 are pretty much all the same except for minor changes now and then. Just about everything about them is the same as it's been all along. Look at the pictures I attached to my other post then go do a search somewhere for various cars from the 70s upto 1992. Look at the back of a 70s Eldorado then look at the back of an 80s Brougham and notice the resmblence.

Having a seperate RWD forum would separate all the major differences such as the 1985 and up FWDs, that's why I'm so interested in that split.

I think pre-82 should be all in one category.

That's the only thing I see now..

in my state more cars end up in the salvage yards due to emmissions issues than accidents.

malfunctions that no one knows how to fix or deem it too expensive to bother.

the split of that is 1974 ....
1973 and older vehicles are excempt form emmissions tests ...

how will this challenge be considered in the tech areas? or not ...

I dont think we need a bunch of forums for the future models section...... Just one......

I think clumping the 81 and older in one section will be fine......

Maybe we could rename the suspension forum to wheels/tires/brakes/suspension......

I dont think we need a bunch of forums for the future models section...Well, there's certainly not too many Threads in that section to fit in one Forum. OTOH, I think the Future models like 2005 STS should each have their own Forum just so that when they become a current model we can simply move the entire Forum over to the proper Vehicle Discussion Section rather than have to got through one big forum and separate them out one by one manually. The concepts and rumors can be grouped together in one Forum as far as I'm concerned.

How about rear wheel drive up to 1996? They were still essentially the same frame anyways, and that's pre-Catera era... I think that would eliminate any RWD confusion, and I *think* that may make brougham happy. Besides, the Fleetwood really has NOTHING in common with the Catera and CTS, etc.

And, uh, how exactly is this consolidating???

Oh, and as far as classic is concerned, how about anything 25 years old or older? I think that's how most states make the split... :confused:

For those interested in making room for Non-Cadillac Northstar cars (Aurora, Bonneville GXP) and Cadillac engine swaps into Non-Cadillac vehicles:


MODEL SPECIFIC DISCUSSION: (SHOWS up on forum home)

1982 and newer FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood FWD (does not show up on forum home)
--Allante (does not show up on forum home)
--Cimarron (does not show up on forum home)

1982 and newer RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--CTS (does not show up on forum home)
--SRX (does not show up on forum home)
--XLR (does not show up on forum home)
--Catera (does not show up on forum home)
--Fleetwood/Fleetwood Brougham RWD (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older FWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Eldorado and Seville (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (FWD only?) (does not show up on forum home)

1981 and older RWD (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Fleetwood and Fleetwood Brougham (does not show up on forum home)
--Coupe DeVille and Sedan DeVille (RWD available?) (does not show up on forum home)

Sport Utility Vehicles (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Escalade, ESV, EXT (does not show up on forum home)

Cadillacs at Heart (SHOWS up on forum home)
--Non-Cadillac Northstar Cars (Aurora, Bonneville GXP) (does not show up on forum home)
--Northstar Engine swaps (does not show up on forum home)
--Pushrod Engine swaps(does not show up on forum home)

Sandman...... I think you still need to combine the RWD and FWD pre 81...... There were only a few models that were FWD prior to 81, and I think only a few members, if any, have these models...... not to say there arent any, but I still think this is how it should be done.......

What if PRE-81 areas are SubForums of the main areas..

Seville/Eldorado (on main page)
-- Seville/Eldorado Pre 1982 (not on main page - but found once in the Seville/Eldorado area - seperated from the newer discussions)...

Hmmmm.... That might be a good idea......

I'm liking it because it still seperates the older models from the newer models - and you can find discussions very easily because they'll be seperated from the newer models..

Basically, it's one extra click for the older models. BUT - you have no trouble finding them. If you own a 1980 Eldorado, you click on the Eldorado link on the front page.. Then, when you get there, you see there's a section specifically for you - 1981 and older. Then, you click that link and you're there...

What do ya think?

I like that idea!

Also, that way you don't have to use the same year for all models.
Like, you can use 1984 and older for Deville, since that was the last year of the rwd deville. 1985 (classic style) or 1978 (last large model) and older for Eldo. etc...

You could also have them linking to the same section..
ie. 84 and older Deville could go to the same section as the brougham.

Sandman's Cadillacs at Heart section sounds cool too.

I like the sub forum idea, but there has to be a realistic cutoff point and 1981 isn't it. And for that I say the most obvious ones would be 1976 for the DeVilles and Fleetwoods, 1979 for the SeVille, and 1978 for the Eldorado.

And toomanytoyz, you *think* right :D
How about rear wheel drive up to 1996? They were still essentially the same frame anyways, and that's pre-Catera era... I think that would eliminate any RWD confusion, and I *think* that may make brougham happy. Besides, the Fleetwood really has NOTHING in common with the Catera and CTS, etc.

Oh, and as far as classic is concerned, how about anything 25 years old or older? I think that's how most states make the split... :confused:

The concern with that is that threads might have to be moved every year.


What if PRE-81 areas are SubForums of the main areas..

Seville/Eldorado (on main page)
-- Seville/Eldorado Pre 1982 (not on main page - but found once in the Seville/Eldorado area - seperated from the newer discussions)...

No no no. I hate the subforum idea. Don't split us up like that. I think the classics people just want one forum. I do anyway.

81 is a The best cutoff point, it's the last year of the big block Caddies, before the lameass 4100.

If it's going to be much more of a pain in the ass than this, just screw it and leave it as it is.

I'm with dave.