: Pain



Elvis
05-23-05, 04:22 PM
What do you do about severe back and neck pain?

DAMN I'm suffering!!!!!!! It's like this massive muscle spasm that paralyzes my shoulder. My right index finger is numb. I can barely point and click!!!

I'm up to 1000 mg of Motrin every 6 hours.


:mad: :( :crying:

Screw this I'm going home. :banghead:

Stoneage_Caddy
05-23-05, 04:24 PM
go to gym dude .....i had severe back pain from when i blew my back out 4 years ago ....turned out since its screwed i needed muscle to help support it ....it was the only thing that did the trick ....now that i havent been in 6-10 months im starting to feel it again ....

Ralph
05-23-05, 04:41 PM
I have 2 hearneated discs and occasionally they "slip" a bit. Drugs just cause more trouble in the long run imo, but what really worked for me was taking a Magnesium supplement everyday. They recommended this on the news one time for back pain and it worked wonders! I felt the results within a half hour! The thing is, for Magnesium to absorb properly you need to take it with Calcium as well.

I was on a lot of pain killers and tried Motrin as well. Motrin is an anti-inflammatory, but the problem with any of these is it is supposedly hard on your liver, stomach lining, etc.

Try it!! Stoney's right about the gym, or even simple back stretches to loosen muscles that pull on the sore area.

Elvis
05-23-05, 04:51 PM
I just read that I can increase my Motrin dosage to 3200 mg a day without any serious side effects. Flexall is helping. Ice sometimes works better than heat.

This isn't "structural" it's muscular. I played golf saturday and had no problems. As long as I'm moving I'm fine. If I sit still for over five minutes the pain starts. These things always go away in a few days, but this one is really starting to piss me off.

This is some STUPID spasm. I exercise enough to prevent this kind of thing from happening. I'm going to try the magnesium thing. This is just unbearable sometimes.

Tonight we may try Vodka or Amaretto therapy. I'll let you know how that works.

Ralph
05-23-05, 04:55 PM
I had muscle related problems as well! That's why I had to do the stretches because the muscles would pull and cause more problems. You owe it to yourself to try the magnesium, it's cheap and it's natural. A lot of herbs in nature can be a lot more powerful than drugs, etc.

Nike.....JUST DO IT! :thumbsup:

Keep us posted on it...

davesdeville
05-23-05, 06:33 PM
Ahh it's gonna suck when I get old(er) isn't it...

Ralph
05-23-05, 06:43 PM
Ahh it's gonna suck when I get old(er) isn't it...

Depends if you take care of yourself NOW instead of later like me. Use a back support if you workout with a Barbell, etc!!

DTS in Toronto
05-23-05, 07:42 PM
I used to have back problems all the time. In fact, I had the exact same thing you did, Elvis, about three years ago - only it was my left shoulder, and left index finger that was numb. It felt like I had this knot under my left shoulder blade that I couldn't do anything about. Hurt like hell ... couldn't sleep right ... headaches ... etc.

I went to a chiropractor and he just wanted me to come back 3 times a week, crackling/popping me six different ways each visit. After three weeks and no progress, I said see ya to the chiro and got a Swedish massage instead. It helped. A lot!

Elvis, do you work at a desk in front of a PC? If you do, get yourself a good chair! None of those so-called ergonomic pieces of crap that cost $200. Go high end. (You've got a Cadillac fer cryin out loud!) I bought a Herman Miller. It cost me over a thousand bucks Canadian (that's about $12.95 USD), but man oh man, was it worth it! Also, a couple of "Ergo-Rest" flexible arm rests that can be attached to the edge of your desk help take a lot of strain off your neck and shoulders.

Lastly, the gymn thing really helps too. I took up Judo three nights a week about 2 years ago.

Since I've done all this, I've had no back problems.

I feel your pain, man! Good luck!

Ralph
05-23-05, 07:50 PM
(You've got a Cadillac fer cryin out loud!)

He doesn't have one YET! I'm trying to convince him. :shhh: :sneaky:

Welcome aboard!

Xrayqueen
05-24-05, 12:14 AM
What do you do about severe back and neck pain?

DAMN I'm suffering!!!!!!! It's like this massive muscle spasm that paralyzes my shoulder. My right index finger is numb. I can barely point and click!!!

I'm up to 1000 mg of Motrin every 6 hours.



:mad: :( :crying:

Screw this I'm going home. :banghead:

If I were you I would go to the hospital and ask for a cervical spine xray. I work at a hospital and off the books it sounds like you may have a pinched nerve in your neck. I hope you feel better. But please see a Doctor.
Peace :)

Boombotz
05-24-05, 12:26 AM
:yeah:

Elvis
05-24-05, 11:24 AM
If I were you I would go to the hospital and ask for a cervical spine xray. I work at a hospital and off the books it sounds like you may have a pinched nerve in your neck. I hope you feel better. But please see a Doctor.
Peace :)

I took some Vicodin at 6:00 and 10:00 last night. Then a good dose of Amaretto at 12:30 AM. I took yet another huge dose of Motrin at 2:00 AM.

Still no relief, no sleep. At 2:45 AM I was ready to go to the emergency room. But I didn't.

At 4:00 AM a miracle occurred. I could lie down flat on my back without my right arm feeling like it was being ripped from the socket.

So I got an ice pack and applied it to the epicenter of the pain.

By 6:00 AM I started feeling normal again. It was the best morning I've had since Friday. I have a meeting at noon, so I'm going to run home for a little while and re-apply the ice.

If it doesn't get a whole lot better I'm going to the doctor. I haven't been to a doctor for an "official" visit since 1989. I want cortisone.

Elvis
05-24-05, 04:40 PM
Well, I'm better than I was yesterday, but not as good as I should be.

Just got back from the doctor. He took less than five minutes. I pointed at where it hurt and told him my finger was numb.

He said to keep it hot and prescribed three drugs: a steroid of some sort in a blister pack, a muscle relaxer, and more Vicodin if I wanted it for the pain. He said I should be 100% better in three days, if not he wants an x-ray.

No cortisone shot. I guess that wasn't necessary. I'm such a weenie.

Ralph
05-24-05, 06:42 PM
I never thought the magnesium/calcium would work for me, I thought it would be too weak, but I was pleasantly suprised.

Xrayqueen
05-24-05, 08:24 PM
Well, I'm better than I was yesterday, but not as good as I should be.

Just got back from the doctor. He took less than five minutes. I pointed at where it hurt and told him my finger was numb.

He said to keep it hot and prescribed three drugs: a steroid of some sort in a blister pack, a muscle relaxer, and more Vicodin if I wanted it for the pain. He said I should be 100% better in three days, if not he wants an x-ray.

No cortisone shot. I guess that wasn't necessary. I'm such a weenie.

Hi Elvis,Hospital's are runinig on the cheap :mad: Why make you come back for an xray when he knew that's what you needed especially when there's numbness.
They the Doctor's get brownie point's for not ordering expensive exam's. If you still have the pain in a few days. Park yourself at the Doctor's office and don't leave until they give you an xray. Sometimes I'm embarassed to say I work in the medical field because of idoit Doctor's such as this one you saw. I hope you feel better.
Peace :(

Boombotz
05-24-05, 09:06 PM
Hi Elvis,Hospital's are runinig on the cheap :mad: Why make you come back for an xray when he knew that's what you needed especially when there's numbness.
They the Doctor's get brownie point's for not ordering expensive exam's. If you still have the pain in a few days. Park yourself at the Doctor's office and don't leave until they give you an xray. Sometimes I'm embarassed to say I work in the medical field because of idoit Doctor's such as this one you saw. I hope you feel better.
Peace :(

Xrayqueen I could not agree with you more.
This is what Primary Dr.'s are doing all the time. My wife worked for an Orthopedic before she had our little girl and they always did an x-ray before the patient was even examined by the Dr. This is the wonderful world of Primary Dr.'s milking the insurance plus trying to content them by not ordering the expensive test that is needed. I can honestly say it would be nice to see more primary physicians for there patients well being then there f***ing insurance and drug reps.

Dadillac
05-24-05, 09:26 PM
I also think you have a pinched nerve in your neck. My Dad had a pinched nerve many years back. He has since passed, but he had to have surgery. He was having the pain, numbness, some loss of control of his arm. He waited to see a doctor until he couldn't take the pain any longer. The doctor upon seeing him, ordered surgery for the very next afternoon. After checking him out, finding the pinched nerve, felt if left this way, Dad would lose all mobility in his arm. It seems that the nerve was getting severely damaged, and was close to severed. Get to a good doctor now. Get all of the x-rays, cat scans, whatever they do to see discs and nerves. Get that done, and get fixed up.

I am 39 years old, and only see a doctor, if I feel that whatever problem I am having, won't go away by itself. But, I would never delay going to see one, when my spine was involved. Way too risky.

Don

Rolex
05-24-05, 10:59 PM
You can also ask about a referral to a pain managament clinic (a little known service offered by some anesthesia groups who specialize in chronic neuraxial pain). You might ask about physical therapy. Occasionally these things can be somewhat alleviated with an 'ultrasound therapy' that pro athletes use (a PT service).

So basically, go see your family practice physician to get referred to a specialist. And don't drink alcohol while taking 3 grams of motrin a day.....glomerulonephritis or liver damage sucks.

Stay FAR away from chiropractic clinics. Good luck.

D148L0
05-24-05, 11:28 PM
And don't drink alcohol while taking 3 grams of motrin a day.....glomerulonephritis or liver damage sucks. You are thinking of tylenol (Acetaminophen), not motrin. Ibuprofen (motrin)+ alcohol increases the risk of stomachal bleeding.
And alcohol by itself increases the chances of glomerulonephritis, but not by it's interaction with ibuprofen per se.

Where have you been man? Long time no see...

D148L0
05-24-05, 11:43 PM
Elvis, did your doctor made a clinical history (asked a lot of questions about the pain, like precise localization, irradiation, what makes it worse/better, how long has it been present, if it has happened before and how many times, etc, etc, etc)?
If that is the case, then he most likely did what is right for your specific case.
If necessary he will do the proper studies to find the cause to the problem you have.
I understand when well-intentioned people do a diagnostic after reading a couple on posts, actually they might be right on their idea of the problem.

But from that to say you have a bad doctor, well... :rolleyes2

Stoneage_Caddy
05-25-05, 12:01 AM
diablo , i will have to agree with you ...there are just so many cuases of back pain , from pulling muscle to huniated discs to appenixs...

TomDeville
05-25-05, 12:40 AM
Elvis has the turning 40 blues.

I had the same thing, right side shoulder
with three (3) fingers and thumb tingling and
numb on the same side. I went to the Chiro.
:rolleyes2 :holycrap: :tisk: twice to stop the
immediate and excruciating pain. It addressed it
initially; however, I subsequently and most prudently
bailed on that scam!$! (twice a week yadda yadda...).

Booze and pills help (save and except the liver
and gut); but, do not in and of themselves constitute
long term and/or particularly viable permanent solutions.

Stretching and a higher fitness level, regardless
of how modest cannot help but be beneficial.
Also, think about this ;and, proactively adjust the
habitual positioning you have when you sleep, sit
at work, and speak on the phone.

We are usually and often our own worst enemies,
in these types of unfortunate painful scenarios.
I hope that you feel better :) :elvis1: !!

Kindest Regards,

TomDeville :coolgleam
:coolgleam

airbalancer
05-25-05, 07:53 AM
Sex,!!!!!!! you are not getting enough sex!!!!!! :D
I tell my wife when I have a pain , I am not getting it enough,
Sex cures all :thumbsup:
When you have enough sex the pain will go away( may the pain never leave :histeric: )

Elvis
05-25-05, 10:46 AM
I've known this doctor since I was about 10. He's a good guy, he knows what he's doing, he knows my family medical history, he knows all about what my father went through five years ago when he had back surgery. I'm a little longer in the limbs, but skeletally we're prone the same maladies.

The doctor put his hand on my back and went directly to the source of the pain. He said he wanted me back in there if I wasn't 100% better by Saturday and he'd get an x-ray then.

I'm completely mobile, the only time I have pain is when I'm sitting at a computer. I can swing a golf club with no pain at all, in fact I shot my best round of the year on Saturday right after this whole thing started.

The drugs are:

Methylpredisolone (blister pak, 6 on day 1, 5 on day 2, etc.)
Vicodin (Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen) every six hours
Cyclobenzaprine (muscle relaxer) before bed

Much less pain this morning, finger still numb. I'm buzzing a little bit right now. I feel very patient, nothing really bothers me. I'm in a very good mood.

Have a nice day everyone. :)

D148L0
05-25-05, 11:42 AM
I've known this doctor since I was about 10. He's a good guy, he knows what he's doing, he knows my family medical history, he knows all about what my father went through five years ago when he had back surgery. I'm a little longer in the limbs, but skeletally we're prone the same maladies.

The doctor put his hand on my back and went directly to the source of the pain. He said he wanted me back in there if I wasn't 100% better by Saturday and he'd get an x-ray then.
Ha. I knew it.
The way he handled your case is correct. Stick to your doctor, dude.

D148L0
05-25-05, 11:43 AM
diablo , i will have to agree with you ...there are just so many cuases of back pain , from pulling muscle to huniated discs to appenixs...
Thanx... at least one positive post before being called "hater" later on... (like I'd care) :histeric:

Elvis
05-25-05, 11:58 AM
I hadn't seen a doctor since October of 1989. That was for a dog bite, and that doctor didn't do anything for it. I needed a couple of stitches, but I guess he didn't feel like it that day.

My brother-in-law is a doctor. He's prescribed things for me over the phone, but that probably doesn't count.

Usually I would agree that most of them are quacks. That's probably why I waited so long to go see this one. He's just an old country doctor who takes a minimalist approach. He doesn't need the money, he only works three days a week, and spends another day or two working an emergency room a long way from here. That's where the real money is.

He's good and I like his attitude. Bite the bullet, get on with your life. If you want somebody to hold your hand go see somebody else.

When I left, he asked "how old are you?" When I told him I was 40, he just said "this kind of shit just happens." His daughter just turned 40 and was complaining to him about it. He said his response was, "how do you think it makes ME feel knowing my little girl has turned into an OLD WOMAN!?"

Xrayqueen
05-25-05, 12:18 PM
I've known this doctor since I was about 10. He's a good guy, he knows what he's doing, he knows my family medical history, he knows all about what my father went through five years ago when he had back surgery. I'm a little longer in the limbs, but skeletally we're prone the same maladies.

The doctor put his hand on my back and went directly to the source of the pain. He said he wanted me back in there if I wasn't 100% better by Saturday and he'd get an x-ray then.

I'm completely mobile, the only time I have pain is when I'm sitting at a computer. I can swing a golf club with no pain at all, in fact I shot my best round of the year on Saturday right after this whole thing started.

The drugs are:

Methylpredisolone (blister pak, 6 on day 1, 5 on day 2, etc.)
Vicodin (Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen) every six hours
Cyclobenzaprine (muscle relaxer) before bed

Much less pain this morning, finger still numb. I'm buzzing a little bit right now. I feel very patient, nothing really bothers me. I'm in a very good mood.

Have a nice day everyone. :)

Glad to hear you're feeling better. You're on a lot of medication so that would make you feel better in it self. Before returning to your Doctor I would try a day without pain medication to make sure the medicine is not masking the pain.
Good Luck and I hope you are in fact better.
Peace :)

Rolex
05-25-05, 04:33 PM
You are thinking of tylenol (Acetaminophen), not motrin. Ibuprofen (motrin)+ alcohol increases the risk of stomachal bleeding.
And alcohol by itself increases the chances of glomerulonephritis, but not by it's interaction with ibuprofen per se.

Where have you been man? Long time no see...

I've been keeping busy with the new baby, and doing some of my domestic yardwork/landscaping duties. I'm always lurking around somewhere though :lildevil: .

You're correct alcohol and nsaids can cause gastric ulcers and GI bleeding. Ibuprofin is actively metabolized by the liver (98-99%). Its inactive metabolites are excreted in the urine. Consuming alcohol with motrin can cause both chemical hepatitis and nephrotoxicity. The same basic ideas are true of acetaminophen (~90% metabolized by the liver). Either way :drinker while taking nsaids is :tisk: . :D

Elvis
05-25-05, 04:44 PM
Just found out I have to give a speech tomorrow morning, presenting an award to an 8th-grader.

That could be a trip. Heavily drugged Rotarian presents plaque for citizenship at junior high. Hope I don't f--k this one up. :histeric:

D148L0
05-25-05, 06:19 PM
Must... resist... the... urge...
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
:canttalk:

JC316
05-25-05, 06:25 PM
It sounds like a pinched nerve to me. Try looking up shiatsu massage online and have it done. It hurts like hell when you are getting it done, but afterwards you will feel great.

Rolex
05-25-05, 08:15 PM
Must... resist... the... urge...
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
:canttalk:

:p Directed toward me? I actually looked those factoids and numbers up!!! Maybe I should provide a reference list!?:D

Elvis
05-25-05, 09:17 PM
Well, I just took my dose of medication for the night.

First I took the Methylprednisolone, which is a steroid that I guess is supposed to help heal the muscles that are knotted up in there.

Then I took the Vicodin, which is a combination of Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen designed to combatt the paainee...

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Elvis
05-26-05, 12:03 PM
This morning I had to make an award presentation in front of 300 8th-graders, their parents, grandparents, and teachers. I'm guessing there were over 1200 people there.

I didn't f--k it up. I can't remember any of it. I'm beginning to emulate my namesake. Dope me up, push me out there on the stage, then carry me back to the hotel room for some downers.

Hope I don't die on the toilet.

Rolex
05-26-05, 03:51 PM
This morning I had to make an award presentation in front of 300 8th-graders, their parents, grandparents, and teachers. I'm guessing there were over 1200 people there.

300 8th graders....now you'll need something for a headache.:rolleyes:


Hope I don't die on the toilet.

Eat lots of fiber. http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_toilet.gif

Elvis
05-26-05, 04:17 PM
They were all very well-behaved. None of them fell down when they walked up on stage to get their diplomas. I was sitting next to the principal and she was laughing afterward about how cold and clammy their hands were. They were all nervous I guess. She shook every hand and congratulated them by name. I thought that was nice.

Honestly, I barely remember it. I gave a one-minute speech about the man who the award was named for, and then I did another minute on the winner. It was like Oscar Night or something. I didn't find out until yesterday that I would have to do this. Apparently I'll get to do it next year too.

Elvis
05-26-05, 04:21 PM
Back on topic, I just went to a wholesale medical warehouse and bought one of these things:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/mednet-store_1847_7872003

My wife had one of these contraptions before we got married. I borrowed it one time when I had something like this going on with my neck, and it cured me within two days. I gave it back to her but she apparently loaned it to someone or lost it when we moved.

Anyway, I'm giving it a try tonight. Maybe sooner.