Hey all i just want to get an idea here on the demand for an idea of mine ....

The first is the real deal fix for your turn signals if you install LED light bulbs in your car . Some folks are rolling out kits that have "load equalizers" which are these little resistor things that need a place to mount them. If that wasnt enough they get VERY hot .

So what i have done is found a Flasher Unit unit from Grote Industries , which is a replacemnt flasher unit that doesnt care if there is LED or Incadesant light bulbs in the system. Eliminateing the need to splice into your factory wireing harness to install the "load equalizers". Problem is Grote is a business to buisness manufacturer. I found a compay for me to deal with and ive place my first order today for 2 of these flasher units. These units should come in soon and ill be able to try them out and make sure this works. If it does it will be a very clean very nice install , plug and play litterally.

The second idea (provided my first idea works out ). It will be a plug and play LED kit for the car , the kit would have all the bulbs nessesary to convert the tailights , front turn/park lights and side lamps over to LED ....This is still in the works but as it stands right now the kit would end up very pricey. Like for a 94 Deville it would cost around 200 dollars . Hopefully i can find a supplier to get me a discount on ordering massive quantities of LED bulbs .....

The bulbs im currently useing look very nice damn near stock excpect how they light up , reminds me alot of the 00+ Deville and they are just as intense at night as the DTS.....

So this is sort of a feeler for this idea , let me know what you all think...Keep in mind im not selling anything yet .

At the very least when i do begin i will be selling the flaser units to whoever needs them , price is still up in the air as the number i order of these and the shipping chges thinsg alot ..in fact as of right now we dont know how much its gonna cost just to get 2 of these critters out to me ....

I will be also working tonight to see what cadillacs this flasher unit will work for , so my list of compadible vehicles will be growing ...but so far id just like to keep things right at what i know will work as the last thing i want to do is screw anyone over :

Flasher Fix for LED lights :
1994-1999 Deville ....

LED Kit and Flasher Fix
1994-1996 Deville ....


So post up and tell me what you think ...

Update more applications for the flasher fix :
1994-1996 Fleetwoods
1992-1998 Seville SLS/STS
1992-1998 Eldorado

that sounds really cool! If i end up getting an Eldorado i'll be interested in this.

the flasher units arrived today , gonna go down and pick them up and install them on the car ....today we see if my plan worked !!!!

well that idea didnt work , plug int he "direct replacemnt" and it doesnt even flash ...

Ultra Complex Cadillac Eletrical system: 4..... me: 1

well i did some work witht he wireing harness ....apprenty the grote cross refernce isnt correct , the pinout is wrong , made a pig tail and connected it right and badda bing it works !!!!!

fast flasher fix is here !!!!!

ttt....think it would fit a 92' Deville? Ive been wanting to convert to LED's for EVER...its really the only reason why I like the newer devilles..comon where are the pics or vid.

92 deville would take some time to sort out ....but its doable ....

no pics or video yet , this got put on the back burner when my job fell apart and (as of today) my job at autozone didnt materialize ....

so its on hold till i get paid ....2 months so far no pay ....credit cards getting mighty bloated ....

outside all that everything works good on my deville , i havent hada blown bulb in ahwile ......prolly never will ...ive still got to sort out the hazzard system as it wont work if the head lights are on ....

then id liek to incororate the hazzard/turn system fashers into a nice package

im also working on a 3rd brakelight idea ....

kool, well when everything works out keep us updated because id be interested to see your total outcome.

i sure will , once i decide to "go" ill be a supporting vendor here ...there are also a few more "secret squirrel" items im working on depending new jobs and such ...along with getting suppliers together and finding time to build the stuff

HMMMM
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102538

Interesting article, I find it stupid to reject it. I see no harm what so ever in it...confusion

on a side note, I havent researched the topic as much as you have but why not just use a load resistor? difficulty?

I was looking at this site and they have awsome LED's for decent prices

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR

i think bmw has a better fix the the problem then the MB proposed solution.. during a panic stop all rear lights light up on the new 5 series to make you very aware of the fact that the 5 is comming to a stop, and fast.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33713&item=7979528823&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

much more expensive then id wanna pay but looks like this guy already has it pretty much done

yah those are awesome and worth every penny , my stuff i just swap the bulbs for the led style bulbs ...

What exactly does your idea fix? I mean what's wrong with the LED bulbs? And what's a load equalizer?

I'm going to be redoing the taillights in the ETC with an custom made array of LEDs. The LEDs I'll be using take 2 volts so I should be able to run 7 LEDs in series to avoid using resistors. I don't see a reason for the stock flasher not to work.

the problame with LED bulbs (on a stock incadesnt system) is that they do not draw as much energy to give off the same ammount of light as incadesant bulbs...so the stock flasher goes into fast flash mode if there isnt enough draw or load on the circuit ...which as you know indicates a bulb is out , as when you loose a bulb the load on the system drops

so in order to combat this they say to wire in these resistors (load equalizers) to increase the load on the circuit to trick the flasher into thinking it has incadesant bulbs ....The critters get very hot and to me its kind of a waste when you can just opt for a flasher unit that flashes at the same rate regardless of load on the system ...

Not only do you remove these dangerous (in my opion) resistrs that get so hot , but you cut down the energy you use to power the turn lights and stop lights ....ever see that annoying headlamp fliker when you hit the brakes late at night? cut down the voltage needed to run the lights and you dont get the flicker ...then there is just the life of the bulbs ....and if god forbid your in a crash and break the lenses on the lights you dont have to worry about covering them up with that red tape ...

im a big fan of LEDs...i wish i could learn more and get more stuff so i can build my own stuff , im not happy with what all is out there yet , i see the technology in other sectors , but its very slow coming to the automotive aftermarket ...

Im under the impression you can buy flasher units from say: autozone or discount auto?? If thats so then is there still reason for the load resistor??

Searching online there was a writeup on a guy putting them into his 80's accord, it just showed it being plug n play no load resistors etc?? so is that saying that if the car doesnt have the rapid blink itll work just fine?...Im wondering about my 92'....I think ill look at the service manual today to see if it has this feature.

Edit: stoney...I just thought about it, I know the 92' not sure about your year though, has fiber optic as the 3rd brake light...now these should have a very low load if im correct right?....So id "assume" that the system is ready for low load already...but I could and probably am wrong too.

your 92 may be able to take these bulbs with a flasher from autozone or discount , 94+ uses a electronic flasher unit ...but yours is the old thermal style , my hazzard flasher was a thermal , i switched it for a heavy duty flasher at autozone with a "loud click" feature and it works pretty darn good ....

but for those of us with the newer systems the soulution is a bit harder to find and very hard to get , thats why im working on this so i can make life easier for some of you doing this ....because not everyone has a "FleetPride" Tractor Trailer Parts house near them ...alotho daves deville might i think there based out of "Albuquerque"...

Ah so the solution to that is the Grote Industries flasher then, I see. They're available at FleetPride parts stores? And on newer cars you can't just go back to a thermal flasher?

This is some helpful info I'll definately look into when I convert my ETC taillights to LEDs. And if they look good and I think there's demand I might try selling a kit. I'd definately pay you a percentage for this info cause I wouldn't have figured it out on my own. You probably shouldn't have said where they're available though :p

bah its ok ....at the end of the day id just be happy to see that they made the light of day as far as a kit ...i really just dont have the resources or time anymore ...

no i tried old school thermal flashers ...

the problem now for you to make these kits is to get the right part number for the flasher ...what im going to have to do is look it up again , as there cross reference guide is completly wrong , i matched up theres with mine , and when it arrived 2 pins were revresed from what i needed ....now in my case i made a pig tail that adapted the cars hanress tot he flasher ...but grote does make a flasher (ill get the part number) that has the pin out we really need ....ill get boath of those for you ...ok the part number of the flasher i had to modify is 44893 , i think you need part number 44892 for a direct plug in soulution ...

if i was really serious about this i wouldnt have said anything ...

If you are really serious about it , you really should track down other fittments for grote flashers , there is a market not only for caddys but jeeps and such ....then advertise on ebay for a fast flash fix when useing leds ...

also remeber the hazzard flasher will need upgraded too , so you should really offer your customers at least a complete kit to fix not only the fast flash on the turn signals but the "no flash" situation that happens with the stock hazzard unit (well mine might have blew out you may need to ensure im right on the hazzards)

here is the guide :
link , PDF file application guide (http://www.grote.com/prodcat/printcatfiles/Sec%20H_F&TS.pdf#search='Variable%20Flash%20Rate%20turn%20si gnal%20module')

I dont get why you wouldnt use a resistor and call it a day. Resistors are 99 cents. How much is your flasher?

the correct resistor is over 99 cents , buying 3 of them equals the cost of one flasher unit ....youd have to find a home for the resistors , and mount them to a spot that would be unaffected by heat ....

i bought 2 flasher units , payed to ship them and got tagged with a 12 dollar handleing fee and still paid around 35 bucks ....now if i ordered over 20 (to sell to folks) the 12 dollar fee would be removed ...shipping would be less ....so id say around 5-7 dollars a unit is possible ....

why not plug in one flasher and plug in the bulbs and leave the wireing harness alone is the beatter question .....

it is a very nice and safe way to go ....resistors get hot and require hacking into the wireing harness ...

Thanks for that piece of info. I'll be looking into it more a bit later on when I have more cash, because an incident with a curb means my money will be tied up buying parts for my ETC and beer for my friend who's going to be doing most of the work fixing it..

A HID supplier I know has 6 ohm resistors for $10/shipped. And I know I can usually find cheaper then that if I really look. Homedepot, probably.

Its not that I'm cheap, but if something costs less and works just as well, might as well do it.

to each there own right ? i dont see why anyone uses the reistors , you dont see why i like these flasher ....if it wasnt for things like this america wouldbt be free ...

how many 6 ohm resistors for 10 bucks ? you need at east 2 , sometimes four , like the cadillacs

i got my resistors for 5 a peice ...to get the signals working right i needed at least 2 more ....20 bucks .....vs 14 bucks worst case for the flasher ...

my style of doings things isnt for everyone , thats for sure LOL...