: Valentine 1/K40 pros and cons?



roberthowl
04-12-05, 03:28 AM
I'm curious to find out some actual user reviews about the K40 and V1 detectors. Valentine 1 is always highly rated compared to everything else - but they never compare it to the K40 on their website...

I've heard that if you get a ticket with a K40 they pay it? Pros/Cons?? Any help is greatly appreciated as always.

:cop:

crowan
04-12-05, 08:59 AM
I have three Valentine radar detectors and have used them for years. I also had one K40 in a vehicle for several months.

I found the K40 to be very annoying due to the constant false alarms and lack of directional arrows.

On the other hand, the Valentine is spectacular. Once you experience the directional display, the quality, the complete kit that you receive, the customer friendly operation at Valentine, and the ability to upgrade the unit's software at low cost, you will never again accept any substitutes.

I have tried other brands as well, and, simply put, I consider Valentine to be the finest detector on the market. K40 can pay for your ticket, but they can't take your points or insurance increases.

Carl

sefa01
04-12-05, 09:39 AM
I had a K40 front and rear once. But for the past 8 years, I've had Valentine. It's simply the best.

The only speeding ticket I've gotten in years is when I decided to try an Escort cordless in a second car. Got napped in CT for $330.

I then tried it along with my Valentine in my primary car. On Rte. 80 in NJ, Valentine warned me a full 3-4 seconds before Escort.

blown65
04-12-05, 11:27 AM
Yup, dad just got a K40. Lasted bout 1 week and the false alarms and thier annoying chirp went bye bye. He now has his V1. :)

darvish
04-12-05, 12:30 PM
I am a radar detector user from way back........ anyone ever own a Fuzz Buster?

And IMHO the V1 is like your own personal AWACS...best I have ever used.... and as a PLUS Mike Valentine is not only an radar God... he's a car guy...

Bill
St Louis

blownchevy
04-12-05, 12:48 PM
V1 is hands down the best one I have used. The only down side is you cant really "install" it so it is not seen. The K40 can be installed and not be seen.


I can say the V1 has saved me thousands ;)

crowan
04-12-05, 01:01 PM
FUZZ BUSTER! That is a reference from the past.

Unfortunately, I am old enough that I owned one.

blownchevy
04-12-05, 01:08 PM
FUZZ BUSTER! That is a reference from the past.

Unfortunately, I am old enough that I owned one.

OK, thanks....now I feel old.:(

thebigjimsho
04-12-05, 01:58 PM
Another V1 fanatic here. I've owned 3 total since 1994, have 2 now, bought 1 for my parents and have influenced at least half a dozen friends into getting one.

benjet
04-12-05, 03:10 PM
I've had both in the same car, the k40 came pro installed from a PO, decided to run the v1 next to it, after 1 week the k40 was un-installed.

roberthowl
04-12-05, 11:36 PM
So does the V1 just detect the radar being shot at other cars in front of/behind you and give you EXTRA heads up time to slam on the breaks? Basically 400 beans for 4 extra seconds??


[especially in the school zone full of children and blue-haired grandmothers where we love to drag...]

cts-vette
04-13-05, 12:15 AM
V1 the is the only 1

Had mine for a year now and will not leave home without it!
I have owned some escorts and K40s in the past but i have to say the V1 is worth the money!

And besides, who wouldn't want to own a radar detector named after their car? :drinker

Mustang
04-13-05, 01:38 AM
I had a sunroof leak that filled my V1 with water. (You would think it would be sealed up better.) I poured out all of the water and let it sit for a few days. After that it worked fine. Amazing quality.

The only time I have gotten stopped with radar in 9 years of owning a V1 was driving through Indiana. I went over an overpass and the POPO was sitting there waiting for me with the instant-on radar. The V1 lit up like a Christmas tree. I knew my fate so I pulled over and stopped before the officer could even get his car out of the center divider. The officer only gave me a warning because I pulled over so quickly. Even when John Q Law caught me, the V1 saved my ass.

It is nice to see that CTS-V owners know quality when they see it. I will own one as soon as I get this whole wedding stuff taken care of.

SBONES
04-13-05, 10:47 AM
i have the escort solo 2 cordless and i love it. it works just got to be fast with the brake. Im sure the v1 gives more distance to worn you, but mine is fine. solo 2 is the best cordless on the planet bar nore. And no annoying wire hanging down!!!very trick!!:thumbsup: :coolgleam

thebigjimsho
04-13-05, 07:56 PM
i have the escort solo 2 cordless and i love it. it works just got to be fast with the brake. Im sure the v1 gives more distance to worn you, but mine is fine. solo 2 is the best cordless on the planet bar nore. And no annoying wire hanging down!!!very trick!!:thumbsup: :coolgleamJust make sure you keep it stocked with fresh batteries since it will wear down over time.

Personally, I love the extra protection of the V1 and with the install provided by the FAQ, you can't see the wires anyway. More better trick.

V-Max
04-14-05, 12:13 AM
I owned my V1 since 1997 and it's versitility of selecting bands and the informative arrows. I have also owned Uniden RD9XL and Cobra Trap Shooter II(similar to the Passport of that era with an analog needle for senstivity).

Norm

ndogg ct
04-14-05, 09:46 PM
i know the ?? is for the k40 and v1 ,but how does the escort 8500 compare to these??

ryn8a
04-18-05, 07:36 PM
Where is the cheapest place to get a Valentine 1.8 from?

thebigjimsho
04-18-05, 07:45 PM
Try ebay, but these suckers have stellar resale value. No matter where you get one, it will be a hefty investment. But it is WELL worth it.

benjet
04-18-05, 07:45 PM
Where is the cheapest place to get a Valentine 1.8 from?

You can only buy from the mfg. And I think they are up to 1.9 (pop)

DgtalPimp
04-18-05, 07:52 PM
Just make sure you keep it stocked with fresh batteries since it will wear down over time.

Personally, I love the extra protection of the V1 and with the install provided by the FAQ, you can't see the wires anyway. More better trick.


I agree see photo1 (http://www.dgtalpimp.com/ctsv/V1_1.JPG) and photo 2 (http://www.dgtalpimp.com/ctsv/V1_2.JPG)

Sandyfoot-V
04-18-05, 08:13 PM
I have owned radar detectors since 1980, starting with the original Fuzzbuster and including three Escorts (last was a Solo 5). My hardwired Valentine 1 is hands down the finest radar detector on the market. Spend the money. It easily pays for itself and you won’t be dissatisfied. The arrows are invaluable.

tomm
04-19-05, 03:35 PM
i know the ?? is for the k40 and v1 ,but how does the escort 8500 compare to these??

The Escort 8500 x50 compares very well to the V1 and even beats the V1 out in certain tests. I would stay away from the Solo S2's since its cordless and no cordless detector can detect POP Mode which is becoming increasingly popular.

Here is an independent comparison of the top 3 detectors. (V1, Escort 8500 x50 and the Beltronics RX65)

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090

The V1 was at one time the best detector on the market but the competition is definately taking over its market share. My personal favorite is the RX65 which is based on the 8500 x50 technology but adds Voice Alerts which is a cool feature.

Tom

benjet
04-19-05, 03:49 PM
The Escort 8500 x50 compares very well to the V1 and even beats the V1 out in certain tests. I would stay away from the Solo S2's since its cordless and no cordless detector can detect POP Mode which is becoming increasingly popular.

Here is an independent comparison of the top 3 detectors. (V1, Escort 8500 x50 and the Beltronics RX65)

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090

The V1 was at one time the best detector on the market but the competition is definately taking over its market share. My personal favorite is the RX65 which is based on the 8500 x50 technology but adds Voice Alerts which is a cool feature.

Tom

Unfortunately I don't find Radartest.com to be independent nor objective (and well accuracy is also in question). Got any comparos that don't involve CP?

05ctsvfan
04-19-05, 04:04 PM
I have had all of them as most have (Maxxon, Fuzz, Escort, etc..)


I have the 8500 now. Great detector. Great reviews.

Car & Driver and a few others have rated it 1. Probably just like anything else....

Bel, Escort and V1 are all great gear....it's more about features and preference...

http://www.radarbusters.com/support/product-tests/5.asp

6104696
04-19-05, 04:22 PM
I have an escort solo wireless (not the S2; the older RD5110). It's nice because it is wireless, and has nice features. The batteries last a long time and performance does not degrade as the battery life shortens.

That having been said, it is thoroughly umimpressive in terms of warning time. Better than nothing, though. I got it cheap, and got what I paid for.

tomm
04-19-05, 04:28 PM
Unfortunately I don't find Radartest.com to be independent nor objective (and well accuracy is also in question). Got any comparos that don't involve CP?

I have personally owed all 3 and there is no doubt that the V1 is a good unit but the competition is very strong now and in my personal opinion it is not worth $400. You can get new RX65's on ebay for around $220 which is almost 1/2 the price of the V1's and they are very good units. (I personally use the RX65 in my CTS and my wife uses an Escort 8500 x50 in her Explorer)

You can spend weeks searching the internet and forums for comparisons of the V1's vs. Escort and you will find mixed results. There are tests from different sites that show that one is better than the other and vice versa on another site. What it comes down to is that they are both good units but one is definately $100 more. (V1) If cost is a factor to anyone I would feel very comfortable telling them to buy the less expensive unit.

VinCLT
04-20-05, 02:00 AM
When my Valantine got stolen, I replaced it with a K40. I used the K40
for about a week, it was crap. Shelled out another $400 for a new Valantine. Worth every penny. FYI - I mount the V1 on the passanger visor, run the cord down the passanger side A piller (under the ruber trim) and under carpet to back power port.

thebigjimsho
04-20-05, 12:24 PM
I have personally owed all 3 and there is no doubt that the V1 is a good unit but the competition is very strong now and in my personal opinion it is not worth $400. You can get new RX65's on ebay for around $220 which is almost 1/2 the price of the V1's and they are very good units. (I personally use the RX65 in my CTS and my wife uses an Escort 8500 x50 in her Explorer)

You can spend weeks searching the internet and forums for comparisons of the V1's vs. Escort and you will find mixed results. There are tests from different sites that show that one is better than the other and vice versa on another site. What it comes down to is that they are both good units but one is definately $100 more. (V1) If cost is a factor to anyone I would feel very comfortable telling them to buy the less expensive unit.Too bad that you can't tell where the signals are coming from, in which I have encountered at least a couple dozen instances in which I would have been screwed with any Escort or any other unit.

Can't beat the arrows. Unless the other detectors can tell you where the signal is coming from, don't waste your money.

05ctsvfan
04-20-05, 01:37 PM
I hear it yell and I slow down. I don't think I would be too worried about if it was to the side, front or back.

Now if the V1 could be hooked to my Nav screen and point out where they are I would be impressed enough to through a hundo away...

Until then, the X50 from escort is just fine.

tomm
04-20-05, 02:09 PM
The arrows were not a factor to me either. My biggest problem with the V1 was all of the false alerts while driving in the city. V1's answer to my problem was to add a delay on k-band which was not the answer that I was looking for. The second thing that I did not like was that it did not have an auto-mute and I did not like having to reach over to manually mute the radar detector every time. I have not used one in over a year so I am not sure if they changed anything since I used it.

thebigjimsho
04-20-05, 02:13 PM
I hear it yell and I slow down. I don't think I would be too worried about if it was to the side, front or back.

Now if the V1 could be hooked to my Nav screen and point out where they are I would be impressed enough to through a hundo away...

Until then, the X50 from escort is just fine.What if an officer with his gun on constantly gets on the highway within a mile of you? What if 1 officer has someone stopped with another down the road waiting? What if you go through an area that makes your detector false and today there's an extra signal waiting? Arrows and counters make you aware of everything, not just something.

As for a V1 not being worth $400, one ticket in MA with the 7 year penalty in insurance rates is more. Over the 10+ years, I have been saved hundreds of times and dozens in which any other detector would fail miserably.

willsctsv
04-20-05, 03:11 PM
V1 is the shizzle.. Besides, If you drive a V, you need a matching radar Detector!

400 bucks is money well spent! How much would it cost you for a few 80 plus mph tickets in fines and points?

RobzBLKV
04-20-05, 03:41 PM
It's all opinions. You guys aren't going to change each others minds, so why try? I agree that the V1 is a far superior detector to anything else available, but that's just my opinion.

Fwiw, I bought the 8500 b/c of the price difference. I sold it and bought the V1 a few months later after putting my 8500 side by side with a friends V1. There isn't any comparison for senstivity and time to react - especially on the highway.

darvish
04-22-05, 10:29 PM
Well... today i learned waht the LASER warning on the V1 is good for...and what it is like to be Lased...Northbound on I55 35 miles south of Springfield IL ( Going to the new Lincoln Library).. a State trooper on an overpass picked me out of traffic and got me with a LIDAR as soon as the alert sounded i slowed down.... futile I know... and passed under the overpass to see a line of State Police cars on the entrance ramp... the Crown Vic pulled right up behind me waited about 3 minutes and turned on his lights... I hit the binders.. rather briskly and pulled over... OK so I am a bit passive - agressive..:devil: .. he took about 30 minutes to write the ticket.. during that time i read the paper and watched no fewer than 5 other cars get nailed...Final damage... 83 in a 65..... $75 dollar fine... I then went to the county seat the ticket would be paid in,,, looked in a phone book,, found a lawyer,,, went to his office paid him $150 bucks to get something called...Court supervision,, where if there are no more trangressions in 30 days.. no points,,, no record and was on my way.

Now,,, jamming radar is a violation of FCC rules.. ie transmitting on a frequency without a license... but... LIDAR is infrared light,, I wonder if jamming it is possible?


Bill
St Louis

tomm
04-22-05, 10:43 PM
Now,,, jamming radar is a violation of FCC rules.. ie transmitting on a frequency without a license... but... LIDAR is infrared light,, I wonder if jamming it is possible?

Yes, There are many products that do just this such as the Escort ZR3, Beltronics Pro 905, Blinder X-Treme and a few others. They work by shifting the beam slightly so that it does not make it back to the gun. They are extremely effective but only if they are aiming the laser at your front or rear plate where these are mounted. With Laser they usually look for a flat surface (License Plate mostly) but in states that do not have a front plate these are not as effective.

ccclarke
04-22-05, 11:39 PM
There are several ways to defeat RADAR/LIDAR systems to make an object ( vehicle) undetectable or "transparent" to a transmitter: Spoofing; where you give the detector a false signal --big bucks, unless you're funded by the bottomless pockets of our mutual uncle. Absorbsion/Jamming; where you attenuate (dissipate) or scatter the transmitted signal to the point where the receiver doesn't get a reliable return. --You would need to coat your car with RADAR/LASER-absorbant materials tuned to the specific frequency or wavelength of the emitter) and Reflection, where the transmitted signal bounces off the target in such a way as to not be detected by the receiver. Faceted, they call it, and it's been pretty decent (ask StealthV). But a car covered with mirrors for LASER would stand out a bit. In all but the most lucky circumstances, ALL a laser detector can do is tell you HOW you got nabbed. Like biological weapons, by the time you figure out they're employed, it's too late and you're frowning at a dead canary. The transmitter beams for LIDAR are so narrow and focused that you aren't going to get anywhere near the kind of warm and fuzzy warning the way you will with RADAR.
The best defence we can hope for against the most well-defended roadways we savor to cruise are: better-than-nothing detectors, and MOST importantly, the ability to think like the adversary and anticipate where they might hide--slowing down when closing blind on-ramps, watching for signs or other roadside obstructions where the emitters can be concealed, and always checking your six for maneuvering vehicles. You can spot a V-owner by their eyes --never looking at anything, always looking at everything! Kind of like a Marty Feldman, but with a working brain.
Where I live in WA state, we have the most insidious predatory roadway animal of them all-- the UNMARKED, unsmiling, highly mobile, ticket-dispensing Washington state trooper. These dead-pan spoil-sports have been clocked issuing tickets faster than most people eat potato chips during a super bowl game half-time dance number. I'll bet they shovel the money from tickets into bottom-less retirement coffers where free housing is a given, and virgins are required to roam freely. And while they do nail their share of dangerous idiots, it sure makes it tough on folks who occasionally like to unleash their sought-after metal in as relatively safe a manner as they can control. --That includes about 95% of us, right? --Otherwise we'd be content driving part-ejecting Yugos and cringing when blue-smoking Pintos flew past us at stoplights.
Any pair of headlights, anywhere behind you at night in my neck of the woods is always suspect. These guys are good --enough to shame their nearest competitors --the legendary, California Highway Patrol.
My long-winded point is, like re-liable birth control, ANY emitter detector is better than none, but the best detector of all is the task-busy pilot of one of these really cool cars: the lucky driver. So be safe, but just as importantly: Be The Animal!

ctsvett
04-23-05, 04:17 AM
CClarke is right.. The best way to beat them is to not speed, but we all know that aint going to happen. So, we need to be alert and drive safe (even at high speed) and emply the use of warning devices that cost $$.

Now, the real reason I am posting is not to lecture you on safe driving. I wanted to add the the great explanation by CC, Lidar (or laser) is only fucntional (as far as I know) when the emitter (the cop) is stopped. Moving radar (the kind the beautiful California Highway patrol) use, is KA band and the V1 will pick it up about a mile away (if active)...

That wont stop them from also PACING you (especially that slick top cruiser who is 200 yards behind you that you didnt see.. DOH!)

V1 all the way baby!

Reed

taco
04-23-05, 05:16 AM
Well... today i learned waht the LASER warning on the V1 is good for...and what it is like to be Lased...Northbound on I55 35 miles south of Springfield IL ( Going to the new Lincoln Library).. a State trooper on an overpass picked me out of traffic and got me with a LIDAR as soon as the alert sounded i slowed down.... futile I know... and passed under the overpass to see a line of State Police cars on the entrance ramp... the Crown Vic pulled right up behind me waited about 3 minutes and turned on his lights... I hit the binders.. rather briskly and pulled over... OK so I am a bit passive - agressive..:devil: .. he took about 30 minutes to write the ticket.. during that time i read the paper and watched no fewer than 5 other cars get nailed...Final damage... 83 in a 65..... $75 dollar fine... I then went to the county seat the ticket would be paid in,,, looked in a phone book,, found a lawyer,,, went to his office paid him $150 bucks to get something called...Court supervision,, where if there are no more trangressions in 30 days.. no points,,, no record and was on my way.

Now,,, jamming radar is a violation of FCC rules.. ie transmitting on a frequency without a license... but... LIDAR is infrared light,, I wonder if jamming it is possible?


Bill
St Louis

God, I miss Chicago and speeding around in Illinois. I recently got a ticket in L.A. California. I was floored when I saw what the fine was, over 300 bucks. $75 is barely a slap on the wrist in comparision.
From what I've hear blocking laser isn't illegal because lasers are governed by the FDA and they could care less about speeding. I think infraredmay be similar, but who knows.

Joey'sVee
04-23-05, 05:34 AM
I know Bel has a "Laser blocking" detector but I'm not sure how it works and if it is affective. I just ordered my V1 today! If my tickets were only $75 and no points I wouldn't care if I get pulled 4 or 5 times a year. The tickets here in SC are MUCH more than that!

ahahnu
04-23-05, 11:35 AM
I've had my V1 since I got my car when someone else started a discussion on the same topic with the same results. The first night I used it, I was saved and instantly convinced. I don't use it while city driving or use on the back roads. There are certain places where it just won't work, may it be too many false alarms, no other cars for the cop to use his radar and have the V1 pick it up, and quite frankly I am tired of bashing my hand into it while shifting. You definately get spoiled with the number system and the arrows.It is your own decision, you are a grown up. Just buy the V1!:coolgleam

thebigjimsho
04-23-05, 12:20 PM
After owning a V1 for a little while, the falses become like a nagging wife. You learn to ignore all but the most pertinent info. I never have problems with falses because a real threat comes up more quickly and with greater strength.

After 10 years, I know it like second nature. As for the nitpicking on the mute functions that others had posted here, I turn the volume down to about 35% in the city and turn it up when I'm on the highway. Any issues that others complain about become non-issues over time and many saves from the revenue fiends.

Talk of the unmarked reminds me of my last radar ticket in MA...before the V1. I was stopped by an unmarked Pearlescent White Lincoln Mark VIII. MA uses unmarked cars all over.....but they are easy to pick out. They use full 5% tint on all of them. Pontiac GTPs, Dodge Intrepids, Mustang GTs, Explorers, all easy to find.

MikeF
04-23-05, 10:38 PM
Valentine's disregard of POP detection cost him boo coo sales here, where it's generally believed the cops use it to catch fast cars and sportbikes, hardened speeders that normally use microwave detectors. For me, it's cheaper to pay a fine and take defensive driving than to fight.
I think I'll start a post on rabbits...