: Dream changes to your Fleetwood



N0DIH
04-06-05, 02:22 PM
Ok guys, lets have some fun.

If you have $20K to drop into your FWB what would you do???

Me?

Get a 502 BBC, TPI intake off of a 96-05 454/496 Truck and run it injected with a 4L80E trans (probably have to use a truck ECM, not sure..) and keep it looking stock as possible, and blow the doors off of anything out there. 3in duals, cats, etc. Maybe an Accel DFI 7 if the GM computer isn't tuneable enough. Reverse cool the 502.

Keep my 3.42 gears and get a tight posi for it. Or consider upgrading to a Dana 60 to allow it to survive. 92 Trans AM WS6 steerng box. Herb Adams front and rear sway bars. Stock springs for now.

Some Impala SS wheels with Cadillac center caps (hey, it isn't my idea, but it is classy!) and the widest meat I can stick under it!

Oh, and a final tough, add a set of 8.2 Litre emblems from a 70's Eldo.... Silent but deadly....

90Brougham350
04-06-05, 03:26 PM
I've been salivating about a 502 as well. I'd like to stroke it to something in the 530's, just so I could call it "the elephant killer." I want the EFI/TBI conversion kit from Edelbrock, with some Trick Flow heads. Basically, I just want a torque monster. I'd also go with the 4L80E, and a 2500 stall converter. Of course everything has it's appropriate cooler and what not. I'd replace the side molding on my 90. While I think the molding on the 90-92 is absolutely gorgeous to begin with, I want to get it in chrome someday. I'd also make it a lowrider, and give it spinners. Inside, I want the headliner to have an enormous Cadillac crest on it, and the B pillar plastic molding on the inside would have Cadillac written on it. As for the body, I'd go with a Navy / Pearl. But by now, I'm up well past $20,000.00, ooops. Well, fun to dream.

Brian

caddycruiser
04-06-05, 03:34 PM
:D
-One of the latest GM "normal" engines, like an LS2 or one of the truck engines like the Denali's 6.0L connected to a 4-spd auto
-COMPLETELY stock exterior, except for "new" Caddy badges and larger wheels that are flashy, but closely match the look of the car
-Removal of vinyl top, fresh paint all over, and re-chromed or replaced bumpers
-Full Panoramic power sunroof (made by Webasto)
-Fully redone suspension, with all the BEST performance add-ons akin to an Impala SS
-Revised interior, with additional support and padding added to all the seats, plus perforated center sections and the best aftermarket heating, cooling, and massaging elements
-Modified front seat with new center console and shifter
-ENTIRELY new sound system with a mostly stock look (no BIG stupid sub in the trunk), including Navigation and the best audio equipment
-Xenon headlights

Now, just need the $$$$ and I would do all this IN A SECOND! Guess I'm different because I wouldn't drop some huge drag engine in it, but rather focus on refining several bits of the car and taking it up several notches in the luxury department--without going over the top or "tacky" like so many, um, "Pimped" rides today.

Stoneage_Caddy
04-06-05, 03:43 PM
Take a 81-85 Fleet Coupe .....

C5 Front and c4 Rear Suspensions

6 speed manual and 6.0 litre engine from the 05 GTO

Front clip from the 91 Fleet Bro

Dash Center console and front seats from a 2002 DTS , hurst shifter with cue ball stick out of console ...Made to look like a automatic but is really a stick....

XLR Wheels

Gutted stock tailamps with LED setup from DTS inside

caddycruiser
04-06-05, 03:44 PM
Take a 81-85 Fleet Coupe .....

C5 Front and c4 Rear Suspensions

6 speed manual and 6.0 litre engine from the 05 GTO

Front clip from the 91 Fleet Bro

Dash Center console and front seats from a 2002 DTS , hurst shifter with cue ball stick out of console ...Made to look like a automatic but is really a stick....

XLR Wheels

Gutted stock tailamps with LED setup from DTS inside

Sounds like an awesome car! I'd take one of those two, but only as a companion to my "re-newed" '93 beauty. :thumbsup:

Stoneage_Caddy
04-06-05, 03:49 PM
Lol

FTSS
04-06-05, 05:07 PM
Y'all probly seen these before.

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=275198

Some Escalade headlights with correct-slant grille, SRX tailights, and a B-body D-pillar with B-to-D door splice mod and I'm done!

davesdeville
04-06-05, 06:31 PM
I'm gonna use my 75 Deville instead of my dead Fleetwood. I'll take a twin turbo, liquid propane injected 4.5"x4.5" Cadillac engine with forged crank, pistons, and rods, along with the all out version Potters aluminum heads and something around .850 lift cam. Built in car computer to control and tune the LP injection and to play videos and music over the SQ sound system. Interior redone in velour. Candy paint. Just for the hell of it since I'd have some cash to burn I'd put it on 20" spinners and bag it. I've always wanted to see a spinner burnout, that would be awesome.

Oh wait, maybe I'll try to put one of these 572s and a TH425 FWD tranny in the front and one in the back too, that would be even better. It would weigh 3 tons and have a good 3000hp, along with being a total pimpmobile. OK so I went a little overboard on my $20k limit but oh well.

The Ape Man
04-06-05, 09:15 PM
I'd take the 20k and put it into oil futures. After a couple of years I'd have some real go fast money.

Katshot
04-06-05, 10:22 PM
I'd love to install a rack and pinion steering setup, replace the crappy belt moldings with real metal ones that don't delaminate and krinkle. I'd like to do better headlamps, and install a console and floor shifter.
BUT......
The chances of me EVER being dumb enough to dump that kind of money into a Cadillac Fleetwood is LESS than zero!
I've built so many cars over the years, that I know how it goes. Spend $30K on a car and you're lucky if you can get $15-$20K out of it. This kind of thing is a TERRIBLE investment. I think The Ape Man probably has the best idea.
I only did the FTS as a project to prove my theory to myself and some friends at Cadillac that it could be done and maybe "should've" been done. I proved my point, time to move on. There's a couple things that I'd like to do to my FTS to "finish it off 100%" but to tell the truth, I already have more into the car than I'll ever get out of it. Face it, the car is a mediocre car at best in stock trim. Dumping a lot of time and money into one just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

FASSTWOOD
04-06-05, 10:57 PM
I would get the interior done. A suede headliner and matching pillar trim.. I think I would get a supercharger with heads and cam to match. Center console w/floor shifter.

N0DIH
04-06-05, 11:41 PM
I guess even building a Cadillac 500 might be a better choice for daily driving, just get a 76 EFI intake for it (75-78 right? 425/500 w FI?) and add on a modern computer.

My goal is drivability and torque. But if I stand on the gas, I wanna go low 13's if not 12's. You know, good daily driver power....

And add G Machine stuff, make it handle worthy of a daily driver....

caddycruiser
04-07-05, 12:30 AM
I'd love to install a rack and pinion steering setup, replace the crappy belt moldings with real metal ones that don't delaminate and krinkle. I'd like to do better headlamps, and install a console and floor shifter.
BUT......
The chances of me EVER being dumb enough to dump that kind of money into a Cadillac Fleetwood is LESS than zero!
I've built so many cars over the years, that I know how it goes. Spend $30K on a car and you're lucky if you can get $15-$20K out of it. This kind of thing is a TERRIBLE investment. I think The Ape Man probably has the best idea.
I only did the FTS as a project to prove my theory to myself and some friends at Cadillac that it could be done and maybe "should've" been done. I proved my point, time to move on. There's a couple things that I'd like to do to my FTS to "finish it off 100%" but to tell the truth, I already have more into the car than I'll ever get out of it. Face it, the car is a mediocre car at best in stock trim. Dumping a lot of time and money into one just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I agree on the steering--it's featherlight, but also HORRID when it comes to having any feel and is not even remotely precise. Makes me wonder why they engineers at GM really thought it was "good" when they were done testing.

About the moldings--every one we looked at had this issue, and so does the one we have now, with it seemingly getting a little more noticeable with time. Any idea if you can still get replacements?

And about putting a lot of money into a Fleetwood--it isn't pointless if you love the car and really want something immensely unique. Who the heck would do any mods in the first place if all they were concerned about was what kind of return they'd get from it in resale? If I had the $$$, I'd do everything I listed and more, and getting rid of the car would be the last thing on my mind--and I'd then have one of the coolest Fleetwoods ever to exist.

ocjmakaveli
04-07-05, 02:40 AM
I agree on the steering--it's featherlight, but also HORRID when it comes to having any feel and is not even remotely precise. Makes me wonder why they engineers at GM really thought it was "good" when they were done testing.

About the moldings--every one we looked at had this issue, and so does the one we have now, with it seemingly getting a little more noticeable with time. Any idea if you can still get replacements?

And about putting a lot of money into a Fleetwood--it isn't pointless if you love the car and really want something immensely unique. Who the heck would do any mods in the first place if all they were concerned about was what kind of return they'd get from it in resale? If I had the $$$, I'd do everything I listed and more, and getting rid of the car would be the last thing on my mind--and I'd then have one of the coolest Fleetwoods ever to exist.

I agree 100% with caddycruiser I think if your interested in the resale value then modding a car is the wrong way to go but if you want uniqueness then that's why Lowriders exist.

No one can expect to get a 100% return or more because the parts are used I bet if you modded a car and NEVER used it then you could sell it for 100% value or a little more but seeing how the owner used the parts they are lowered in value.

I don't think this is subject to modding either what happens when you buy a 2005 vehicle for $50,000 and you only use it for 3 months the resale value lowers quickly per usage mostly.

same thing with modding if you use the part then you take up some of the cost of the part when you try to resell it Bottomline.

Katshot
04-07-05, 08:05 AM
I agree on the steering--it's featherlight, but also HORRID when it comes to having any feel and is not even remotely precise. Makes me wonder why they engineers at GM really thought it was "good" when they were done testing.

About the moldings--every one we looked at had this issue, and so does the one we have now, with it seemingly getting a little more noticeable with time. Any idea if you can still get replacements?

And about putting a lot of money into a Fleetwood--it isn't pointless if you love the car and really want something immensely unique. Who the heck would do any mods in the first place if all they were concerned about was what kind of return they'd get from it in resale? If I had the $$$, I'd do everything I listed and more, and getting rid of the car would be the last thing on my mind--and I'd then have one of the coolest Fleetwoods ever to exist.

I gave up replacing my moldings. I replaced the whole set and within a few months, they started wrinkling again! I have a full set of moldings laying in my garage but refuse to install them. I was looking for someone to use my OEM moldings as a template for fabricating metal ones that would actually last but I've been unable to find a company that can do it.
As for return on investment, while it's possible to get a pretty good return on "some" mods, overall, most are totally lost money. Personally, I think I've managed to put together a package that netted me real good performance AND since the car utilizes mostly "factory" parts, still retains as much value as possible. To be honest, I'm very confident that I'll manage to get most if not ALL my money out of the car at resale. My mods are pretty stealthy so if you're looking, you see them, but they don't jump out and slap you in the face. This makes it so virtually anybody can be attracted to the car. I get older guys loving it because it's a big, classy car (that also happens to haul ass). I get middle-aged guys loving it because they see a sleeper that the wife will drive in and they can still feel cool in too. And I get a lot of young people loving it because it's fast, sounds cool, has a great stereo, and is "different".

HotRodSaint
04-07-05, 10:22 AM
I think I would get a supercharger with heads and cam to match.


That and a flamed paint job! :cool:


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ocjmakaveli
04-07-05, 12:24 PM
[QUOTE=Katshot]To be honest, I'm very confident that I'll manage to get most if not ALL my money out of the car at resale. [\QUOTE]

I think that's wishful thinking but I sincerely doubt you can ever get the retail value plus the parts that you put into the car then if you add Labor costs even if it's a do-it-yourself job it's impossible to get 100% return.

Even if you just try to sell it for the value itself plus the parts costs that you put into the car overall I am sure you would not get 100% value back.

Yet as I mentioned before if YOU NEVER used the parts then you can get 100% or even sell it for some profit overall but the profits would really only cover the labor you put into the car.

Economics no matter how stealthy or stock things look don't allow parts to retain 100% value unless you find a deaf-mute-blind man with lots of money that'll buy your car with no questions asked and would pay any money that was requested but most people have enough sense to know the value of a car.

Although overall with interest paid for my car and add-ons I've put about 20,000 into my '94 I know that at max I could only sell it for 12,000 with the car having 53,000 miles and no defects excepts for some cosmetics flaws on the body.

Yet that's how it works.

See ya

N0DIH
04-07-05, 01:47 PM
So you buy a 96-99 Subruban/Truck with a 454, yank the drive train, drop in the LT1 and trans, sell it for what you bought it for, drop it all in and have a BB Fleetwood for low buck!!!

A friend of mine just picked up a 96 Suburban 454 4WD 4L80E w/ 3.73's for $7600 at an auction. with only 68K miles....

Donor vehicle?

Katshot
04-07-05, 02:59 PM
[QUOTE=Katshot]To be honest, I'm very confident that I'll manage to get most if not ALL my money out of the car at resale. [\QUOTE]

I think that's wishful thinking but I sincerely doubt you can ever get the retail value plus the parts that you put into the car then if you add Labor costs even if it's a do-it-yourself job it's impossible to get 100% return.

Even if you just try to sell it for the value itself plus the parts costs that you put into the car overall I am sure you would not get 100% value back.

Yet as I mentioned before if YOU NEVER used the parts then you can get 100% or even sell it for some profit overall but the profits would really only cover the labor you put into the car.

Economics no matter how stealthy or stock things look don't allow parts to retain 100% value unless you find a deaf-mute-blind man with lots of money that'll buy your car with no questions asked and would pay any money that was requested but most people have enough sense to know the value of a car.

Although overall with interest paid for my car and add-ons I've put about 20,000 into my '94 I know that at max I could only sell it for 12,000 with the car having 53,000 miles and no defects excepts for some cosmetics flaws on the body.

Yet that's how it works.

See ya

You're assuming that I paid a lot for the car to begin with. Suppose I only paid $10K for the car to begin with. On top of that, I DID have a $15K offer last year for the car. So maybe it's not all that hard to believe that I "might" get most of my money out of the car. And that's not even taking into consideration that I've had the car for a few years.
As I said before, I know better than to "expect" that I'll get my money back but since I got this car relatively cheap, and really put less money into it than you might think, I "should" come out of it alright.

HotRodSaint
04-07-05, 05:30 PM
I "should" come out of it alright.

I won't mind taking a hit to have the joy of hot rodding my Fleetwood. :cool:


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davesdeville
04-07-05, 07:49 PM
I guess even building a Cadillac 500 might be a better choice for daily driving, just get a 76 EFI intake for it (75-78 right? 425/500 w FI?) and add on a modern computer.

My goal is drivability and torque. But if I stand on the gas, I wanna go low 13's if not 12's. You know, good daily driver power....

And add G Machine stuff, make it handle worthy of a daily driver....

I think low 13s are possible in a car that weighs as much as yours with a pretty much stock 500. They take to spray pretty well. :devil:

adam_mcd
04-07-05, 11:40 PM
$20k platinum/gold/diamond fuzzy dice

codewize
04-07-05, 11:49 PM
Ok so now what will you take for it? :)


You're assuming that I paid a lot for the car to begin with. Suppose I only paid $10K for the car to begin with. On top of that, I DID have a $15K offer last year for the car. So maybe it's not all that hard to believe that I "might" get most of my money out of the car. And that's not even taking into consideration that I've had the car for a few years.
As I said before, I know better than to "expect" that I'll get my money back but since I got this car relatively cheap, and really put less money into it than you might think, I "should" come out of it alright.

davesdeville
04-08-05, 01:20 AM
OOOh I could chrome my car. That would be awesome. Replace all the chrome with gold and replace paint with chrome. Then I'd need at least 450hp in order for it to move.

ocjmakaveli
04-08-05, 02:14 AM
I won't mind taking a hit to have the joy of hot rodding my Fleetwood. :cool:

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I agree completely I'm all for modding and creating a unique one-of-a kind vehicle no matter if it's just slightly factory looking mods or if its an all out pimped ride they are all fine and props to anyone who chooses to undertake a task.

I love to see a car with LOTS of mods it shows the personality of the driver to begin with and it really shows the true capabilities of the mods and vehicle with a touch of personal taste.

Money comes and goes but the memories of riding in a personalized caddy will truely last forever.

Katshot
04-08-05, 08:34 AM
I won't mind taking a hit to have the joy of hot rodding my Fleetwood. :cool:

It's absolutely a labor of love. To do this type of thing specifically for trying to "make" money would be crazy. I just can't help trying to minimize the financial loss and maximize the fun factor. I think with experience, this becomes easier.

Katshot
04-08-05, 08:37 AM
I think low 13s are possible in a car that weighs as much as yours with a pretty much stock 500. They take to spray pretty well. :devil:

I think that depends on your definition of "pretty much stock 500". Low 13's are NOT easy to hit, especially with a car that size. You're talking CTS-V territory.

Katshot
04-08-05, 08:43 AM
Ok so now what will you take for it? :)

Hey dude!
You ask a tough question. I'm not really sure. It depends on my mood. I guees I'd like to see between $10 and $12 grand. At $12K, I'd be very close to covering the cost of the car AND all mods done. Luckily, I didn't have to pay retail for my mods. :lildevil:

ShadowLvr400
04-08-05, 10:15 AM
Blown Cadillac 500 converted to fuel injected.
4l80e trans
HID headlights
KMC SS wheels in 18x8 in front, 19x10 probably in back, minitubbed to accept about a 335 rear tire.
Sport tuned suspension taken from the Imps, so it'll still ride smooth, but handle better.
Sound system with AM/FM,CD,DVD,TV with an in dash screen that flips up, setup of interior speakers on 1 amp, and a pair of trunk subs on another amp
Baer big brake kit, with 14 inch discs all the way around.

I'll come back later with more. Have to go get uniforms.

davesdeville
04-08-05, 06:38 PM
I think that depends on your definition of "pretty much stock 500". Low 13's are NOT easy to hit, especially with a car that size. You're talking CTS-V territory.

Pretty much stock would be intake, exhaust, and cam. Then add a 200 shot on top of that and you're at a good 550hp. :devil: Or hell leave it stock and spray 250, it will take it for a pretty long time. It would weigh around 4600 and since CTS-Vs are around 3850 you'd be pretty far ahead in the power/weight ratio.

ocjmakaveli
04-08-05, 08:17 PM
Hey dude!
You ask a tough question. I'm not really sure. It depends on my mood. I guees I'd like to see between $10 and $12 grand. At $12K, I'd be very close to covering the cost of the car AND all mods done. Luckily, I didn't have to pay retail for my mods. :lildevil:

How much did you pay for your car and what condition was it in when you bought it?

did you pay any interest or bought it cash?

I always count interest because it was incurred because of the car etc.

For me I paid 11,800 ....10,000 for the car 500 in taxes and the rest interest.

Then the parts in their entirety don't install themselves to say you are getting close to you mod value I guess your not adding the labor costs and time it took you to do them apart from the paper money you paid for the parts.

Any modding to any car is a non-profitable situation period regardless of how cheap the parts are the time involved is what scares most away and in terms of money the labor is non-profitable yet it's alot of fun to play with the outcome of the mods.

That is only what I am referring to when I say that no one can get a 100% return or even close when you TRULY factor the costs involved in modding no matter how slight the modding seems.

In terms of modding If I did not factor labor and such I could probably only lose out on about $3,000 total on the final sale price for my car including 3 years of usage with only about 20,000 miles driven and including all the mods and high-priced electronics that are in the car. Yet the sentimental value will never allow me to sell it.;)

Katshot
04-09-05, 07:29 AM
I figure that between the cost of the car and the mods, I've got around $12-$13K into it totally. Like I said, I got the car cheap and I didn't have to pay retail for the mods. Having my own shop at the time was a big help for sure. And being freinds with the people that did my sublet work was also helpful. It was kinda like how Jesse James manages to meet his budget on Monster Garage! ;)

lacmang
04-09-05, 03:58 PM
I would get suicide doors, I would have my own design grill built, repainted same color but with clear coat, re-chrome the bumbers, replace the impact strips, have a custom fiberglass subs and amps in my trunk, blades with a 5th, replace my emblems with ones that aren't faded and take my caddy to the dealership to have everything fixed it needs.

509Rider
04-09-05, 04:04 PM
I have pretty much done every thing I have wanted to do to my car, only thing left pull the frame wrap it up paint to match my car and all chrome suspension.

Scandalous
04-12-05, 01:49 AM
well, i dont have a 'wood, juss a lowly coupe, but i cant pass up a chance to speak on my dreams. i would get a nice hydraulic setup in the trunk, have a custom enclosure built for my subs, paint her like a root beer brown with some metal flake. chrome daytons, continental kit, high profile grille, all new emblems, prolly a big blocc motor, duals with flamethrowers, a moonroof, a mural of tony montana on the continental kit, and a mural of the car hittin a 3 wheel with a skeleton holding a smoking pistol out the window, and the pistol smoke spelling out "scandalous". then i would take the rest and work on my chevelle