: Dealer may have used wrong transfer case fluid



mangos86
08-15-13, 12:31 AM
So......Long story short; Took my 04 escalade 6.0 with 100k to cadillac to have the transmission, transfer case and differentials drained and filled. On the receipt it says they used P/n 19286293 which is dexron VI in the transfer case. I know from reading around that this shouldn't be used in this transfer case. Called the dealer and he assured me it is fine to use in the transfer case and refused to believe otherwise. What do you guys recommend? I am going to contact the cadillac customer service people that are frequently on this forum but am I safe driving around like so until it gets sorted out? Thanks guys.

the cadillac man
08-15-13, 01:14 AM
So......Long story short; Took my 04 escalade 6.0 with 100k to cadillac to have the transmission, transfer case and differentials drained and filled. On the receipt it says they used P/n 19286293 which is dexron VI in the transfer case. I know from reading around that this shouldn't be used in this transfer case. Called the dealer and he assured me it is fine to use in the transfer case and refused to believe otherwise. What do you guys recommend? I am going to contact the cadillac customer service people that are frequently on this forum but am I safe driving around like so until it gets sorted out? Thanks guys.

That is the wrong fluid as they used that on the hummer h2 due to the different transfer case not sure if it will hurt it or not
Go to a different dealer and see what they say

mikedyk43
08-15-13, 01:31 AM
There is a thread in the stickied DIY section from 2008 that also recommends Dexron VI for the transfer case and I know I have read elsewhere that there was a service bulletin sent out stating that GM was replacing Dexron III with VI. I just did mine not too long ago with it and I'm quite sure your vehicle will be fine. If you want to pursue trying to prove the Cadillac service engineer wrong you can, but the way I see it is if something goes wrong, and the work was done at a Cadillac dealership, you really have no worries that they will be fixing it on their dime.

mangos86
08-15-13, 01:46 AM
Thanks guys. I don't really care to prove anyone wrong, just want to make sure my truck is going to be ok.

Cadillac Cust Svc
08-15-13, 11:59 AM
So......Long story short; Took my 04 escalade 6.0 with 100k to cadillac to have the transmission, transfer case and differentials drained and filled. On the receipt it says they used P/n 19286293 which is dexron VI in the transfer case. I know from reading around that this shouldn't be used in this transfer case. Called the dealer and he assured me it is fine to use in the transfer case and refused to believe otherwise. What do you guys recommend? I am going to contact the cadillac customer service people that are frequently on this forum but am I safe driving around like so until it gets sorted out? Thanks guys.

Hello mangos86,

I just wanted to let you know I did receive your private message and I will reach back out to you that way so we can continue our interaction.

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

RippyPartsDept
08-15-13, 12:42 PM
if you have the NP8 transfer case it takes AutoTrakII fluid
all others (NP3, NR3 & NR4) take Dexron (originally it was DexronIII but now it's DexronVI since VI supersedes III)

YoshiMan
08-17-13, 05:06 PM
On my 2003 the owners manual says to use the dexron ATF in the t-case.

wake
08-18-13, 03:03 PM
There is a thread in the stickied DIY section from 2008 that also recommends Dexron VI for the transfer case and I know I have read elsewhere that there was a service bulletin sent out stating that GM was replacing Dexron III with VI. I just did mine not too long ago with it and I'm quite sure your vehicle will be fine. If you want to pursue trying to prove the Cadillac service engineer wrong you can, but the way I see it is if something goes wrong, and the work was done at a Cadillac dealership, you really have no worries that they will be fixing it on their dime.

I went through this last year when I changed the TC fluid. I ended up using Mobil 1 ATF that says on the label that it meets DEX III-H specifications, what our TC calls for.

I have a ton of DEX VI in the garage for the transmissions but it seems I can't find any info newer than the bulletins that say not to use DEX VI in transfer cases or manual gearboxes that specify DEX III. There is even discussion on the DIY thread you pointed out that has the same discussion but no resolution. In transmissions it's a no brainer, but the TC and gearboxes are a little different beast.

glowe
09-17-14, 12:21 PM
if you have the NP8 transfer case it takes AutoTrakII fluid
all others (NP3, NR3 & NR4) take Dexron (originally it was DexronIII but now it's DexronVI since VI supersedes III)

I too have a 2004 Escalade ,, My transfer case has Borg/Warner insignia on the case and another stamping ,,, AZ91D ,, I was told to use Autotrak II Fluid ( There is red fluid in there right now ) ,,, Can I get some insight on this model transfer case ,,and,,,, if Autotrak II is indeed the fluid to use ??? Cheers

RippyPartsDept
09-17-14, 05:34 PM
As I mentioned earlier the RPO codes will tell the tale ... I can check your VIN and decode it to the RPOs if you do not know how to find your RPO codes

glowe
09-20-14, 10:11 PM
Hey Chris ,,,, I Pmd you my Vin and scenario ,,, Cheers and Thanx !!



As I mentioned earlier the RPO codes will tell the tale ... I can check your VIN and decode it to the RPOs if you do not know how to find your RPO codes

Z71
09-21-14, 07:51 AM
What about this info that GM service put out



This information applies to 2007 and prior GM passenger cars and trucks.

Dexron III is being phased out as a product name. It is being renamed Manual Transmission Fluid and carries p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada).

If fluid p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) is not yet available when servicing a manual transmission or transfer case, Dexron III can be used in its place.

DO NOT use Dexron VI in place of manual transmission fluid in any manual transmissions or transfer cases that specify Dexron III, as a failure may result.

- Thanks to Charles Krepp, TAC



Reason I was given is that Dexron has additives that can react with components in these older manual transmissions and transfer cases and that its use was not validated for use in those units. Dexron-VI was designed to be backward compatible so it can be used in all Hrdramatic transmissions that call for Dexron-III or earlier DEXRON specifications. But people stretch that and assume in all components, ergo renaming Dexron-III as manual transmission fluid.


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glowe
09-21-14, 02:34 PM
What about this info that GM service put out



This information applies to 2007 and prior GM passenger cars and trucks.

Dexron III is being phased out as a product name. It is being renamed Manual Transmission Fluid and carries p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada).

If fluid p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) is not yet available when servicing a manual transmission or transfer case, Dexron III can be used in its place.

DO NOT use Dexron VI in place of manual transmission fluid in any manual transmissions or transfer cases that specify Dexron III, as a failure may result.

- Thanks to Charles Krepp, TAC



Reason I was given is that Dexron has additives that can react with components in these older manual transmissions and transfer cases and that its use was not validated for use in those units. Dexron-VI was designed to be backward compatible so it can be used in all Hrdramatic transmissions that call for Dexron-III or earlier DEXRON specifications. But people stretch that and assume in all components, ergo renaming Dexron-III as manual transmission fluid.


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My Owners Manual stated Dexron III in Transfer Case ,, so I used the New Superceded Fluid that replaces Dexron III, Part # 88861801 , as I live in Canada ,,,,,