: Want to buy unusual car...What you say ?



Evg-ekb
08-12-13, 03:13 PM
I welcome you owners of cars Cadillac! Your council is necessary to me. I have a desire to get this unusual car:
135569
135577
But about it it is very difficult to find data in Russia. Why this car, instead of any another? It simply was pleasant to me!
I understand that it most likely is made as being funeral car
135585
But after all the pickup too not bad looks)))
Answer me please where I can buy on it spare parts in the USA then to send to Russia? Its engine (1981 my,6.0 - 264 Hp), transmission and suspension bracket is how reliable? other details? what type of fuel it consumes? In advance I thank you for answers.
P.S.
I Am sorry for my English - I translated the text by means of an online translator.

turbojimmy
08-12-13, 03:49 PM
That looks like a "flower car", which typically accompanied the hearse in funeral processions. It's a neat car built by a well known manufacturer of hearses.

talismandave
08-12-13, 05:21 PM
I would say a hearse made into a pick-up truck by someone else. It is very cool and well made but I doubt it was built that way by Hess and Eisenhardt.

Welcome to the forum.

csbuckn
08-12-13, 05:24 PM
Nice car, good year.

Bro-Ham
08-12-13, 05:42 PM
I would say a hearse made into a pick-up truck by someone else. It is very cool and well made but I doubt it was built that way by Hess and Eisenhardt.

Welcome to the forum.

I agree with you totally.

sven914
08-12-13, 06:04 PM
The only company that would ship to Russia would be Rock Auto (http://www.rockauto.com/).

jayoldschool
08-12-13, 06:28 PM
81 6.0 does not have 264hp. I wish it did...

Robin Banx
08-12-13, 07:51 PM
Quote Originally Posted by talismandave View Post
I would say a hearse made into a pick-up truck by someone else. It is very cool and well made but I doubt it was built that way by Hess and Eisenhardt.

Welcome to the forum.

I disagree. Look at the stretch in the frame behind the altered rear doors. Look at the completely re-manufactured and replaced rear quarters. Look at the one of a kind sill mouldings. All this says custom built by a hearse builder. The only part that doesn't look right to me is the "back of the cab" as the pickup truck fraternity would say. Otherwise I vote gennie flower car which has suffered some bogus tinkering.

Cheers........R.

Evg-ekb
08-12-13, 09:21 PM
VIN: 1GEEZ9064B9179xxx . By documents 6000 cm, 264 Hp (194 kW).Whats wrong ?

jayoldschool
08-12-13, 09:36 PM
Not sure what documents you refer to, the 1981 6.0 Cadillac engine was rated at 140HP.

http://www.mcsmk8.com/8-6-4/8-6-4.HTM

Evg-ekb
08-12-13, 09:52 PM
OK.May be it helps:
135697
135705
135713

jayoldschool
08-12-13, 09:56 PM
That's not a 1981, it's a 1980, I believe. No 8-6-4 soleniods, no MPG display, manual climate control. 150hp if it's carb.

Bro-Ham
08-12-13, 10:27 PM
It appears to be a stock commercial chassis, those doors are common to hearse structures, but it does appear to be altered at a later time to my eye, the climate controls could be 1980 or who knows what GM would have supplied to a commercial chassis after, vin does appear to be 1981+. AND, is that Sven?! A giant welcome back! :)

talismandave
08-12-13, 10:55 PM
I'm no expert, but I have never seen a flower car with a diamond tread bed, and a rear window from a camper. :lol:

Faith76
08-12-13, 11:07 PM
I'd love to have this car.

Bro-Ham
08-12-13, 11:27 PM
That's not a 1981, it's a 1980, I believe. No 8-6-4 soleniods, no MPG display, manual climate control. 150hp if it's carb.

I believe it has been reported in this forum that many, if not most/all factory produced commercial chassis vehicles after 1980 were non V8-6-4.

YoshiMan
08-12-13, 11:28 PM
Have you had the chance to drive it? And i would also have to vote for Rockauto.com for parts. they have ALOT of stuff for that car

cadillac kevin
08-12-13, 11:36 PM
To me, it looks like a hearse that someone cut the back of the top off and finished the rear area with diamond plate. I like the look, except the rear window, which looks awkward (looks like its from a truck campershell). Because of the diamond plate and the rear window, I'm going to say it was a hearse that was turned into a truck, not a flower car.

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 12:42 AM
To me already begins your company is pleasant!
I still have questions on VIN.Если you don't know that it for the car and what at neo year of release and engine type... Then in Russia anybody doesn't know! I still think to buy this car or not. Though rather yes, than isn't present. But I need still a lot of information. Without your help to me anywhere...

77CDV
08-13-13, 01:48 AM
An interesting find. At first, I, too, thought it was a hearse that had been converted to a pickup. But, the rear doors don't look like anything I've seen on any H&E hearse model, even the end-loading types; they're too short. On the other hand, I've never seen a four-door flower car before. Wish Chamus would chime in. This is right in his balliwick.

As far as the mechanicals, they're very solid and reliable. 368ci V8, TH400 trans, runs on regular 87 octane unleaded. If it doesn't need much in the way of body work, it could be a fun and unusual car. Good luck! :)

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 02:24 AM
An interesting find. At first, I, too, thought it was a hearse that had been converted to a pickup. But, the rear doors don't look like anything I've seen on any H&E hearse model, even the end-loading types; they're too short. On the other hand, I've never seen a four-door flower car before. Wish Chamus would chime in. This is right in his balliwick.

As far as the mechanicals, they're very solid and reliable. 368ci V8, TH400 trans, runs on regular 87 octane unleaded. If it doesn't need much in the way of body work, it could be a fun and unusual car. Good luck! :)
I know modern american engines, most european, korean, japanese...But i don't know old american engines.What is 368ci ?
P.S. Car has 88000 miles.

Aztec ETC ECS
08-13-13, 06:53 AM
All the 4 door flower cars I've seen look like this:

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/images/lots/AS11/AS11_r394_01.jpg

I always liked these things. Maybe I'll need to start looking. Maybe a newer one:

http://www.northlandpcs.com/images/museum/Eagle_LeEscort_Flower_Car_1221.jpg

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Answer me please where I can buy on it spare parts in the USA then to send to Russia?
I know everything won't be available, but you should be able to find several things on ebay. I had a Russian buyer once.

cadillac kevin
08-13-13, 09:28 AM
I know modern american engines, most european, korean, japanese...But i don't know old american engines.What is 368ci ?
P.S. Car has 88000 miles.

368 c.i. is the size (internal displacement) of the engine in cubic inches (c.i.) or as the europeans would say- it is a 6.0 litre

bigm57ict
08-13-13, 11:54 AM
I suspect it is a true flower car that has been modified by previous owners.

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 12:41 PM
Who will be able to tell me why in documents on engines the power of 264 h.p.? What for such motor means run of 88000 miles and whether much it in whole for such car? Still I know that the four-chamber carburetor and fuel consumption there is installed according to the owner up to 40 liters on 100 km... Such can really be? To me it isn't so important, but it is all the same interesting.

cadillac kevin
08-13-13, 02:48 PM
Who will be able to tell me why in documents on engines the power of 264 h.p.? What for such motor means run of 88000 miles and whether much it in whole for such car? Still I know that the four-chamber carburetor and fuel consumption there is installed according to the owner up to 40 liters on 100 km... Such can really be? To me it isn't so important, but it is all the same interesting.

the documents are wrong. There is no way a 368 has 264 horsepower.

As for the 88000 miles, I am not exactly sure of the meaning of your question. The motor is very reliable and with normal maintenance and normal use, can see over 300,000 miles of service.

As for 40 liters per 100 km (which translates to 5.8 miles per gallon), unless the engine is in very poor tune or the owner uses the gas pedal far too much, it should be getting 10-12 miles per gallon. They're not great on gas, but their fuel consumption is not that bad unless the engine needs a tuneup (spark plugs, spark plug wires, carburaetor adjustment, etc) and / or the owner gives it too much gas pedal all the time. Not having the secondaries on the carb open much/ at all is key to good mileage. Open them up often, and you can drop several mpg off off what you normally get.

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 03:55 PM
the documents are wrong. There is no way a 368 has 264 horsepower.

As for the 88000 miles, I am not exactly sure of the meaning of your question. The motor is very reliable and with normal maintenance and normal use, can see over 300,000 miles of service.

As for 40 liters per 100 km (which translates to 5.8 miles per gallon), unless the engine is in very poor tune or the owner uses the gas pedal far too much, it should be getting 10-12 miles per gallon. They're not great on gas, but their fuel consumption is not that bad unless the engine needs a tuneup (spark plugs, spark plug wires, carburaetor adjustment, etc) and / or the owner gives it too much gas pedal all the time. Not having the secondaries on the carb open much/ at all is key to good mileage. Open them up often, and you can drop several mpg off off what you normally get.
Good answer.Thank you.
I've got a small car - Chevrolet Lacetti 1.6 (AT), in a city she has only 3 gallons of fuel (type 98) for 60 miles.But it is different cars of course )))In the Europe and in the Russia to contain a car not so cheap.I envy You a bit )))

turbojimmy
08-13-13, 04:20 PM
The more I look at it, the more I dunno what it is. Flower car was my knee-jerk reaction, and I'm still leaning that way but maybe more pictures would help. Didn't the hearses have the spare stored under the floor inside the rear door? Those rear doors do not appear to be hearse doors. I think the key to the mystery will be a pic of inside the car. It's definitely a funeral-type car. It wasn't a limo (which they also made) so it has to be a hearse or flower car. "Unusual" is a great description.

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 04:32 PM
The more I look at it, the more I dunno what it is. Flower car was my knee-jerk reaction, and I'm still leaning that way but maybe more pictures would help. Didn't the hearses have the spare stored under the floor inside the rear door? Those rear doors do not appear to be hearse doors. I think the key to the mystery will be a pic of inside the car. It's definitely a funeral-type car. It wasn't a limo (which they also made) so it has to be a hearse or flower car. "Unusual" is a great description.
But it was made in US not in Europe and Russia too ))) May be someone to remember that car ? )

turbojimmy
08-13-13, 04:37 PM
It was made in the US, but I have a feeling that's not how it was made by S&S. Still very cool - if it were for sale here I'd be all over it. I've searched all over (as I'm sure the other Cadillac faithful here have) for images of something similar and I can't find anything. You should buy it and post lots of pictures!

Evg-ekb
08-13-13, 04:46 PM
It was made in the US, but I have a feeling that's not how it was made by S&S. Still very cool - if it were for sale here I'd be all over it. I've searched all over (as I'm sure the other Cadillac faithful here have) for images of something similar and I can't find anything. You should buy it and post lots of pictures!
I'll try to do it ! ))) I already try otherwise I here wouldn't be.And now present: if for you such car seems rare, what to me! And I saw many cars...

talismandave
08-13-13, 07:33 PM
An interesting find. At first, I, too, thought it was a hearse that had been converted to a pickup. But, the rear doors don't look like anything I've seen on any H&E hearse model, even the end-loading types; they're too short. On the other hand, I've never seen a four-door flower car before. Wish Chamus would chime in. This is right in his balliwick.

I don't think the doors look any different than any other hearse? Keep in mind that it has the raised professional roof line (Also indicative of a hearse, not flower car.). I think that is what is throwing the proportions off in your mind.

The Ape Man
08-13-13, 08:41 PM
Horsepower rating may be calculated by a different method from what we use in the States. May be gross horsepower or an estimate of gross horsepower.

It should not matter as far as using the vehicle.

Looks a lot like a 1980 model to me.

Best of luck.

Bro-Ham
08-13-13, 09:39 PM
It was most likely a funeral coach earlier in its life, I find it very hard to believe S&S would have released it in its current configuration, it was chopped up later in life if you ask me. :)

turbojimmy
08-13-13, 10:12 PM
I don't think the doors look any different than any other hearse? Keep in mind that it has the raised professional roof line (Also indicative of a hearse, not flower car.). I think that is what is throwing the proportions off in your mind.

I see that now. I'm subscribing to the modified hearse theory, too. Pretty unique idea.

talismandave
08-14-13, 12:37 AM
I think it is the early testing mule for the Escalade EXT, exported to Russia for testing and abandoned and thought destroyed.:bulb:


In case my humor does not translate well Evg-ekb, that was an attempt at a joke.:getaway:
very

I also truly think it is a wonderful idea and a really cool and well done job by the person who did the modifications. (At least as best I can tell by the photos we have at this point.) If it were local I would be very interested in it myself. If you can get it for a good price you would have a lot of fun with it. You would have a one of a kind.

Faith76
08-14-13, 11:25 AM
This might be a pointless question, but does the "bed" open up sideways like a hearse, or down like a truck?

Evg-ekb
08-14-13, 01:53 PM
This might be a pointless question, but does the "bed" open up sideways like a hearse, or down like a truck?
Like a hearse.And bottom of the bed has two rollers in the lower part.

jayoldschool
08-14-13, 03:07 PM
Chopped hearse.

Faith76
08-26-13, 08:03 PM
Is there an update? Did you get it?

Evg-ekb
08-27-13, 02:01 PM
Is there an update? Did you get it?
Some problems with documents.If I take it, you will surely see )))