: No NAV With HUD



Guy.Seminerio
08-11-13, 01:23 AM
I need some help from you guys. My HUD works fine but I've never had the nav instructions show up on it when there is a route going. I looked in an old forum and 3 people, each of whom had an 09 (non V) had their problems solved by a firmware update. I took my car into the dealer and they said I am up to date and that I need a new nav for $27xx. Based my past with this dealer, my confidence that they are correct in saying my firmware is fully updated is 0.

I'd like you guys to check under the diagnostics screen what your versions are. Some may know how to do this but for those who don't, the instructions are as follows:

Put the car into acc, on, or start.
Get to the map screen by pressing the globe hard key.
Press "menu" soft key.
Above the "memory points" soft key, and directly across from the title "nav menu" is a blank space. Press and hold your finger down there for about 5 seconds until a keypad appears. You are basically pressing on a hidden soft key.
When the keypad appears, type in 295660 for 2008+ cars (9448 for older.)

There are two screens we're concerned with. The "parts info" and the "soft rel."

Under parts info, what is your "navi version?"

What is your soft rel?

I'm really asking this of 2008 (and 2009?) guys because of the HUD. I'm assuming you guys get the nav stuff showing up on the HUD just fine.

Last night I unplugged all the nav plugs in the back and reconnected. No dice. What I'm hoping and expecting to hear from you is that your versions are different from mine which would tell me that in fact I do need a firmware update.

Just a tip, if you guys are on your iPhones or whatever, take a screen shot of these instructions so you can refer to them while you're pulling the info up.

Thanks in advance for taking the time out to do this crap. Appreciate it.

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For your reference, here is the old thread I'm referring to. http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2012/170159-nav-turn-instructions-dont-show-hud.html.

carter's_sts
08-11-13, 01:47 AM
Definitely sounds like that's what you need. Maybe you could try calling that dealer in WA and see if that service advisor is still there. See if he's willing to talk to your incompetent dealer.

I can't help with the version number because I have an 06 and no HUD. I bet HUD is cool, but oh well, just happy to have a V.

Guy.Seminerio
08-11-13, 02:20 AM
Way ahead of ya Carter. Called that dealer up, the guy doesn't work there anymore so I brought it up to the service guy and he was freakin clueless. Knowledge was not passed on. So I said thanks anyway.

Thanks for your help though. And yeah the HUD is really nice. Kills me that the cts never got it. Don't think the escalade did either. Vette did though.

Guy.Seminerio
08-12-13, 05:32 PM
Hey I know it's probably a bit of an annoyance but if I could get just 1 08+ who has this feature functioning to check these numbers it would allow me to move forward with this. Thanks again guys.

1madstsv
08-12-13, 06:11 PM
I will try to check tonight when I get home. And yes mine works fine.

Guy.Seminerio
08-12-13, 09:13 PM
Thanks a lot man.

Ludacrisvp
08-12-13, 11:27 PM
Hey Guy, I was messing around with the NAV DVD in the computer tonight and found another diagnostic pin code that works on the 08+ model for sure.

It's "3657"
It gives a couple more options for diagnostics.
There is also a second page of software version information.

Posted pics here:
(Trying out a 'new' feature of the Camera+ app ... not sure how well it will work in the long run)

http://campl.us/bkKsuoyc9a8

Here are direct links to the photos:

http://pics.campl.us/f/3/3898.1ef17b52af94cca4dfeb8dfcdb4c92b6.jpg
http://pics.campl.us/f/3/3898.e3a746f7f0e5433d71c3dabec3a2b96e.jpg
http://pics.campl.us/f/3/3898.22618cfada0daf641faaaa98778e60a6.jpg
http://pics.campl.us/f/3/3898.322f7e85b3b994f1c65b2863b2e88505.jpg

Guy.Seminerio
08-13-13, 12:14 AM
Ah yeah I see that. Nice. I'm gonna play around with that a little. Thanks a lot.

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Do you have HUD?

Ludacrisvp
08-13-13, 07:13 AM
I do have HUD w/ACC, but my car is 08 non-V.

EDIT:
a coupld of links to other Nav related.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2012/284455-nav-updata-issues-need-some-help.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/74744-so-all-sts-v-owners-any.html

based on what I remember about those threads I would have to bet that dealers are really only aware of the 05-07 model firmware upgrade due to the TSB.
I would wonder if the software update could be applied by the dealer if they manually went into the S/W update section on the Nav then used the TechII.
The TSB from 07 says:
Verify that the software versions are (post upgrade):
- Navigation system software version = 0FC1
- Audio system software version = 010C

What it also says (which I think may be mis-read / overlooked by most) is:
Important: If the navigation system software is the same or higher than version 0FC, the software update will not start and the navigation software update is not necessary. DO NOT insert disc 2 into the radio.

I bet that most read that as if it has 0FC then no update is possible, BUT the disc 1 update is still able to be done.


...btw...the update contains 2 CDs...it's not a single one...

GM 15943724
CD1 Software Version V01.0C
CD2 Software Version V0FC1

...both must be used...and a Tech II...

(...my dealer lost his set...ordered a spare and after 2 month or so he received only one (copied) disc and didn't get the second...gladly I could find myself a set on ebay in between...;) )

...thats the "service" from Cadillac Europe...:thepan:

http://i48.tinypic.com/33z2qyp.jpg

1BadCadSTS
08-13-13, 08:35 AM
Hey Guy, I was messing around with the NAV DVD in the computer tonight and found another diagnostic pin code that works on the 08+ model for sure.

It's "3657"
It gives a couple more options for diagnostics.
There is also a second page of software version information.

Posted pics here:
(Trying out a 'new' feature of the Camera+ app ... not sure how well it will work in the long run)

http://campl.us/bkKsuoyc9a8

Here are direct links to the photos:



How do you use the computer to mess with the disc and find diagnostic codes!?

Ludacrisvp
08-13-13, 09:33 AM
How do you use the computer to mess with the disc and find diagnostic codes!?
Maybe more than you were looking for but here is the gist of it.

After some (ok a lot of) time searching on the web I found this blog that had a python script made that claimed to be able to display some info from the nav disc and 'extract modules' from the disc as well.
http://biot.com/blog/navigation-dvd-hacking
combined with some information from:
http://www.takingthingsapart.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=56&limit=1&limitstart=1

There was a minor typo in his python script that I fixed on my local copy so that it would function.
basically there is an offset in the loading.kwi file that makes it less readable with a hex editor, the extract module function corrects the offset from what I can tell and makes HEX editor viewing better.

There seems to be a community of people modifying their Audi Nav unit and some other units, so it was pure chance this even was able to get anything.




t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ ls -lh
-r-xr-xr-x@ 1 ludacrisvp staff 11M Jul 25 18:03 LOADING.KWI
-rw-r--r--@ 1 ludacrisvp staff 6.3K Aug 13 07:36 kiwi.py
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ chmod +x kiwi.py
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ nano kiwi.py
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ ./kiwi.py
usage: kiwi [-v|-x] [-o outputdir] -d <dvd directory>
-v list modules contained in the LOADING.KWI FILE
-x extract modules from the LOADING.KWI file
-d directory where the DVD is mounted
-o target dir to extract modules into
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ ./kiwi.py -v -d .
number of systems found: 1
System 1
Manufacturer ID: DENSO
Number of modules in this system: 1
Module 1:
Name: GE14
Version: 1350
Category: Program
Address: 0x800
Size: 10.8 MB

t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ ./kiwi.py -x -d . -o .
extracting modules into ....
GE14
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ ls -lh
-rw-r--r-- 1 ludacrisvp staff 11M Aug 13 07:39 GE14
-r-xr-xr-x@ 1 ludacrisvp staff 11M Jul 25 18:03 LOADING.KWI
-rwxr-xr-x@ 1 ludacrisvp staff 6.3K Aug 13 07:38 kiwi.py
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ file GE14
GE14: data
t110-osx:nav ludacrisvp$ file LOADING.KWI
LOADING.KWI: raw G3 data, byte-padded


I grabbed the code out of the HEX output from home, this is just a re-creation of some of it on my work computer using a copy of a LOADING.KWI that I had emailed myself a while back.
Not sure what disc this loading.kwi is from (this one in particular doesn't mention the 3657 code).
The kwi file compresses quite well, the 11.4MB file was only about 4MB after being compressed, I'm thinking we should start collecting loading.kwi files from any/all Denso Nav discs for any make/model and see what we can find. Land Rover and Jaguar use Denso based navigation in some models so there might be something to be learned from them.

But it does for some reason mention "2003 KENWOOD CORPORATION" in the file, in addition to DENSO references.

Here is a copy of the kiwi.py file that has the typo corrected from his blog.
If you have access to a Linux/Unix/Mac machine you can copy the code from the section below into a file called kiwi.py and run it from terminal.



#!/usr/bin/env python
#
# kiwi
#
# Copyright 2009 Bert Vermeulen <bert@biot.com>
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,
# MA 02110-1301, USA.

import os
import sys
from getopt import getopt
import string
from datetime import datetime
import struct

EXTRACT_BUFSIZE = 1024 * 1024

def usage():
print """usage: kiwi [-v|-x] [-o outputdir] -d <dvd directory>
-v list modules contained in the LOADING.KWI FILE
-x extract modules from the LOADING.KWI file
-d directory where the DVD is mounted
-o target dir to extract modules into"""
sys.exit(1)

def is_printable(text):
for i in text:
if i not in string.printable + '\x00':
return False
return True

def show_date(stamp):
date = datetime.fromtimestamp(stamp)
datestr = "%d-%.2d-%.2d" % (date.year, date.month, date.day)

return datestr


def maybe_dump(text):
if is_printable(text):
return text
else:
hex = ''
for i in text:
hex += "%.2x " % int(ord(i))
return hex

def show_kwi_info(lo):
print "number of systems found:", lo['num_systems']
syscnt = 1
for s in lo['systems']:
print "System %s\n Manufacturer ID: %s" % (syscnt, maybe_dump(s['mid']))
print " Number of modules in this system:", len(s['modules'])
modcnt = 1
for modname, modversion, category, startdate, enddate, title, info, address, size in s['modules']:
print " Module %d:" % modcnt
print "\tName:", modname
print "\tVersion:", modversion
print "\tCategory:", category
if startdate:
print "\tValid from:", show_date(startdate)
if enddate:
print "\tValid until:", show_date(enddate)
print "\tAddress: 0x%X" % address
size += 0.0
if size > 1024 * 1024:
size /= 1024 * 1024
unit = "MB"
elif size > 1024:
size /= 1024
unit = "KB"
else:
unit = "bytes"
print "\tSize: %.1f %s" % (size, unit)

print
modcnt += 1

syscnt += 1

def extract_modules(path, targetdir, system=1):
try:
lo = parse_loading(path)
if lo['num_systems'] < system:
raise Exception, "only %s systems found" % lo['num_systems']

if not os.path.exists(targetdir):
os.mkdir(targetdir)

s = lo['systems'][system-1]
print "extracting modules into %s..." % targetdir
fp = open(path)
for modname, modversion, category, startdate, enddate, title, info, address, size in s['modules']:
print " ", modname
fp.seek(address)
cnt = 0
outfile = open(targetdir + '/' + modname, 'w')
while True:
if cnt + EXTRACT_BUFSIZE > size:
chunksize = size - cnt
else:
chunksize = EXTRACT_BUFSIZE
buf = fp.read(chunksize)
outfile.write(buf)
cnt += chunksize
if len(buf) < EXTRACT_BUFSIZE:
break
outfile.close()
fp.close()
except Exception, msg:
print "Error:", str(msg)

module_categories = [
'Initial program',
'Program',
'Library',
'Data'
]

def parse_loading(path):
lostruct = {}
fp = open(path)
data = fp.read(4)
num_systems, dummy = struct.unpack_from(">HH", data)
lostruct['num_systems'] = num_systems
offset = 4
lostruct['systems'] = []
for s in range(num_systems):
system = {}
fp.seek(offset)
data = fp.read(16)
mid, num_modules, dummy = struct.unpack_from(">12sHH", data)
offset += 16
system['mid'] = mid
system['modules'] = []
# get Module Identification Information blocks
for m in range(num_modules):
fp.seek(offset)
data = fp.read(64)
cat, modname, modversion = struct.unpack_from(">cxxx52s4s", data)
offset += 64
cat = ord(cat)
category = module_categories[cat & 3]
if cat & 64:
category += " (Test module)"
if cat & 128:
category += " (Diagnostic service module)"
modname = modname.rstrip('\x00')
system['modules'].append([modname, modversion, category])
# get Module Management Information blocks
address_multiplier = 0
for m in range(num_modules):
fp.seek(offset)
data = fp.read(256)
startdate, enddate, title, info, address, size = struct.unpack_from(">HH64s182sIH", data)
offset += 256
# dates are in number of days since 1997-01-01 00:00:00. that's
# 852073200 seconds since the unix epoch, convert to that
# if it's 0 no date is set, so preserve that
if startdate:
startdate += 852073200 + (startdate * 86400)
if enddate:
enddate += 852073200 + (enddate * 86400)
# address is either in 2048-byte sized blocks, or some odd 3-byte
# block size. try to grok this by the first one we
# see, which will be right past this this Loading Module Management
# block we're parsing now
if m == 0:
if address < 0x100:
# too small to be an absolute address
address_multiplier = 2048
elif (address >> 8) < 0x100:
address_multiplier = 8
else:
address_multiplier = 1
address *= address_multiplier
# size is in 2048-byte sized blocks
size *= 2048
system['modules'][m] += [startdate, enddate, title, info, address, size]
lostruct['systems'].append(system)
return lostruct

#
# main
#

opts, args = getopt(sys.argv[1:], "vxd:o:")

mode = dvddir = targetdir = None
for opt, arg in opts:
if opt == '-v':
if mode:
usage()
else:
mode = 'view'
elif opt == '-x':
if mode:
usage()
else:
mode = 'extract'
elif opt == '-d':
dvddir = arg
elif opt == '-o':
targetdir = arg

if not mode or not dvddir:
usage()

try:
path = dvddir + '/LOADING.KWI'
if not os.path.exists(path):
print "no LOADING.KWI found in %s" % dvddir
sys.exit(1)
except Exception, msg:
print "failed to open %s: %s" % (path, str(msg))
sys.exit(1)
else:
if mode == 'view':
kwi_info = parse_loading(path)
show_kwi_info(kwi_info)
elif mode == 'extract':
if not targetdir:
print "please set a target directory to extract into."
usage()
else:
extract_modules(path, targetdir)


Running it would be something like:


$ ./kiwi.py -x -d /Volumes/<DVD_Drive> -o /Users/<username>/Desktop/Nav
(replace <DVD_Drive> with the correct path, like DW464210-7740, and replace <username> with your username)


I then opened that file in a HEX editor and did some poking around, searched up the known 295660 and saw a few codes around it.
Like 660, 9448 which we already know about and then there was -> 3657, 3366 next to them as well, so I ran out to the car and tried both and the first one worked.
3657 seems to give the most diagnostic features for the 08+ model (looks like it matches what the 9448 code provides 05-07 models based on screen captures).

1BadCadSTS
08-13-13, 10:22 AM
.... Brain exploded...

Ludacrisvp
08-13-13, 10:30 AM
.... Brain exploded...
Well since your brain is now missing you won't be needing those V brakes or that clear 3rd brake light anymore please ship them out as soon as you are able
:P

1BadCadSTS
08-13-13, 10:49 AM
Well since your brain is now missing you won't be needing those V brakes or that clear 3rd brake light anymore please ship them out as soon as you are able
:P

Hey anything can be bought for the right price.

Guy.Seminerio
08-14-13, 09:42 AM
Well my audio version is 2.01 and my navi is 0070. So based on the navi alone, mine and yours, Luda, are off. And since your nav and HUD work together, and we both have 2008+, I truly believe I need a firmware update.

I absolutely believe that you're right in saying that since there isn't a tsb for 2008+ the dealers assume its updated. I have to venture away from my local dealer and find one that knows what they're doing. Thanks so much Luda.

Ludacrisvp
08-14-13, 10:14 AM
I truly believe I need a firmware update.

You might try entering your VIN on this site:
https://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web
and see if you have an option to view if there is any information about your radio on it.
You may find something useful on it but you may not; since our units are updated via CD and tech 2 is just needed for some controlling I don't believe it will show up here.
(The Escalade however apparently does list the radio / AMP in here and they can get some updates to fix certain things)

This is the list of modules I was able to get from my VIN:
>EBCM Electronic Brake Control Module
>ECM Engine Control Module
>ESCM Electronic Suspension Control Module
>ONSA TIS2WEB Pass-Thru OnStar Activation (Replaced/Upgraded units only)
>TCM Transmission Control Module
>TVT TV Tuner (Export Only)
>V.T.D. Vehicle Theft Deterrent Learn
>VDAAW Vehicle Direction Alert Alarm Warning

mjcaddy
08-21-13, 12:32 AM
I have a different software menu than the pictures posted here ( i only have 1 page in the software) but this is what i got :
Navi 0070
Audio 02.01
and I don't have the navigation in my HUD

Edit, sorry didnt notice this is the V section, I got here through google search, I have non-V 09

Ludacrisvp
08-21-13, 08:00 AM
I have a different software menu than the pictures posted here ( i only have 1 page in the software) but this is what i got :
Navi 0070
Audio 02.01
and I don't have the navigation in my HUD

Edit, sorry didnt notice this is the V section, I got here through google search, I have non-V 09
... interesting, two 09 models that have matching numbers don't work.
(doesn't matter that one is V and one is not, they should be the same NAV unit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNf4Xtzyyg

1BadCadSTS
08-21-13, 08:20 AM
Wonder if its the huds and not the navs...

Guy.Seminerio
08-21-13, 08:49 AM
Mj caddy i have the same exact versions, same year car, same issue. We definitely need firmware updates. Unfortunately we need to convince a dealer of this because there is no tsb stating ours needs to be updated. I found a dealer finally. It's an hour away and they're open Monday to Friday. They close at 5. Doesn't go well with work. Ill keep you guys posted.

1BadCadSTS
08-21-13, 08:53 AM
Idea

Clear your firmware manually then it should accept any firmware as its not updating it your simply giving it new firmware. The problem using the known tsb it won't allow the update if your firmware is the same or higher. If it has NO firmware then I would assume it would take it.

Only issue I see with this is its my understanding lane departure and blind zone are turned on and off through the nav. The 05-07 cars never had this option so the firmware may not contain the ability to adjust those features (on or off) if this works....

Ludacrisvp
08-21-13, 09:36 AM
Wonder if its the huds and not the navs...
Hmm, hadn't really thought about that being the issue... I just assumed it would display whatever came over the serial data line.

I cannot seem to find a pinout of the HUD that shows what wires are connected to it, did ddalder provide you with one from your HUD project?
You mentioned needing to relocate a PIN from the XLR HUD harness to work with the STS HUD...
Did you test out the nav features with your HUD?

Guy, do any of the other display abilities fail to work?



Head Up Display (HUD) Description and Operation

The reconfigurable head up display (HUD) is an active matrix color display system that optically projects critical vehicle information through the windshield.
The head up display is controlled by a combination switch located in the vehicle center console:

Image Up/Down Switch-The HUD image adjustment switch allows the driver to vertically adjust the images on the windshield up or down.
The HUD image position on the windshield can be personalized for Driver 1, Driver 2 and Unknown.
The vertical image position set by the various vehicle drivers is saved and recalled next time they drive the vehicle.
Moving this switch directs the motor to move the HUD image up or down on the windshield.
Power/Dimmer Switch-The brightness of the HUD image can be adjusted by pressing the knob on the center of the DIC control panel in until it pops out and then pull the knob until it is completely extended.
Turn the knob clockwise or counter clockwise to increase or decrease the brightness.
If the knob is turned all the way to the left, the HUD will turn OFF.
On vehicles with adaptive cruise control, if the HUD is turned OFF, the cruise control will be inoperative.


Telltales

The following is a list of telltales and gage information displayed in the head up display (HUD) and received via the serial data circuit:

Vehicle Speed
English/Metric Mode
Turn Signals
High Beam
CHECK GAGES
Tap Up/Tap Down/Upshift
Adaptive Cruise Control Warning Symbols
Warning Messages

The head up display (HUD) will temporarily display certain warning messages as it receives a serial data message from the responsible source (module).
The HUD displays certain warning messages received from the following sources:

Adaptive Cruise Control Messages
Radio Information
Cellular Phone Information
HVAC Information
Turn-by-Turn Navigation Display (if equipped)
Arbitrary Text Displays


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Only issue I see with this is its my understanding lane departure and blind zone are turned on and off through the nav.
That is correct, the bottom two buttons on the left side of the config screen are dedicated to the SBZA and Lane Departure enable/disable functions.

1BadCadSTS
08-21-13, 11:15 AM
I assume thats in the firmware then and not an auto detect feature like with Magnetic ride.

Daddler did I THINK if he did it would be in the HUD thread. I know there were several different HUD part numbers like with the radios. My HUD came from an 06 and was re-manufactured before I bought it for the $30 bucks so its essentially new.

I bought it for the Speedo and Tach while it would be neat if the directions display as well I wont cry if it doesnt.

Ludacrisvp
08-21-13, 11:17 AM
Hmmm I wonder if there was a different HUD for non-nav equipped cars?
I can't imagine that you could get HUD without NAV though.

Guy.Seminerio
08-21-13, 12:35 PM
You can't get HUD without nav.

My HUD shows everything else just fine.

There is an other thread with 3 09 sts drivers with the same issue and their problem was solved with a firmware update.

I doubt it's in the HUD itself.

mjcaddy
08-21-13, 12:38 PM
Ludacrisvp I have everything else working you mentioned in your post above except for the turn by turn nav. and the tachometer (not listed above).

1BadCadSTS
08-21-13, 12:40 PM
Tach will ONLY display in Sport and Manual shifting modes.

mjcaddy
08-21-13, 12:42 PM
@1badcadsts, thanks I'll try that today
@Ludacrisvp, thanks I just saw your reply to my question on your YouTube channel ( yes that's me :p )

Guy.Seminerio
08-22-13, 08:29 PM
Have an appointment with a dealer an hour away tomorrow afternoon. Fingers crossed.

Cadillac Cust Svc
08-22-13, 10:56 PM
Have an appointment with a dealer an hour away tomorrow afternoon. Fingers crossed.

Guy.Seminerio,

That's great to hear. Please keep us posted and let us know if additional assistance is needed.

William R. (assisting Laura & Greg)
Cadillac Customer Care

Ludacrisvp
08-22-13, 11:20 PM
Have an appointment with a dealer an hour away tomorrow afternoon. Fingers crossed.

Good luck man.
It's really hard to find a dealer that is willing to think outside the box. (Aka not just what Gm tech line says)

carter's_sts
08-23-13, 12:01 AM
Hopefully you can convince them because it has to be your FW version.

Guy.Seminerio
08-23-13, 12:17 AM
Yeah I spoke to the guy on the phone. I explained what happened at the other dealer explained there is no tsb. He assured me he would pop the upgrade discs in. He understands we're talking software update, not map discs here. I explained he is an hour away so I don't need him to not find a tsb and tell me I'm updated. I'm pretty confident we're good here. Ill let you know.

Guy.Seminerio
08-23-13, 06:50 PM
Jeez. Ok so I bring the car in and I reiterate all the stuff from my previous post. I say there IS an update.

I'm in the waiting room for a half hour and the service rep comes out and says "guy you were right." I say "I know I'm right." He has my MAP DISC IN HIS HAND. He tells me there is an updated map disc. I explained to him calmly that the issue here wasn't a map disc. It is a firmware update that only the dealer can do. I explain that there are multiple 09 sts owners who had this very problem solved with a firmware update. He goes back in.

Under 10 minutes later he comes back in and asks me to come into the bay and talk to the guy working on my car. I explain the whole story to this guy. I explain the whole 2 disc thing. Everything. He says he has to call GM and ask about it. I tell him I'm afraid GM is not going to see a tsb and tell me to take a walk, my nav is updated. He assures me this won't happen. I even show him luda's post where he copies Pontiacv8's old post showing the 2 discs and showing the part number. He says he has to call. I go back and wait.

Service rep comes back shortly after with my no charge receipt showing a part number for the disc they had to order to fix my nav. They say it could be weeks before they get it in. I say, "this is the disc you can reuse on other cars to update their nav software?" He says yes. He'll call me when the disc comes in. I show him the post this time, the part number of the update discs. He says "we have those but GM says its not for your car. It could freeze up your nav. It's for the older cars." I say ok and I leave.

I come home, and just before I do this post, I google the part number of the nav firmware update disc he will be ordering. 22944166. THE 2013 MAP DISC! F@&$ me.

Any suggestions? I figure ill play his game, go in when he gets the MAP DISC!! it won't work, and then ill tell him to go ahead and use those discs that might "freeze the nav" to upgrade my firmware. What do you think?

I love dealing with unknowledgable, incompetent Cadillac dealers.

mjcaddy
08-23-13, 11:33 PM
I already talked to the place I got my STS from (Rizza Cadillac Buick) and one guy jumped and he said no it wont be done! and the other one said yeah you can order the new map discs and you can do that through our parts department, so I just decided to leave, life too short to argue with them people.
I'll call my guys at Cadillac of Naperville and see what they will say, they are pretty much open minded, you can find all kind of moded cars there and they welcome it with no problem, saw CTS-V one time at their shop with Vette 7.0 LS7.

Guy.Seminerio
08-24-13, 12:11 AM
Nice man thanks. Let me know. Need an open minded dealer. Have a place I can stay at in st Petersburg in Florida, queens ny, and obviously fayetteville nc.

Cadillac Cust Svc
08-26-13, 11:06 AM
Jeez. Ok so I bring the car in and I reiterate all the stuff from my previous post. I say there IS an update.

I'm in the waiting room for a half hour and the service rep comes out and says "guy you were right." I say "I know I'm right." He has my MAP DISC IN HIS HAND. He tells me there is an updated map disc. I explained to him calmly that the issue here wasn't a map disc. It is a firmware update that only the dealer can do. I explain that there are multiple 09 sts owners who had this very problem solved with a firmware update. He goes back in.

Under 10 minutes later he comes back in and asks me to come into the bay and talk to the guy working on my car. I explain the whole story to this guy. I explain the whole 2 disc thing. Everything. He says he has to call GM and ask about it. I tell him I'm afraid GM is not going to see a tsb and tell me to take a walk, my nav is updated. He assures me this won't happen. I even show him luda's post where he copies Pontiacv8's old post showing the 2 discs and showing the part number. He says he has to call. I go back and wait.

Service rep comes back shortly after with my no charge receipt showing a part number for the disc they had to order to fix my nav. They say it could be weeks before they get it in. I say, "this is the disc you can reuse on other cars to update their nav software?" He says yes. He'll call me when the disc comes in. I show him the post this time, the part number of the update discs. He says "we have those but GM says its not for your car. It could freeze up your nav. It's for the older cars." I say ok and I leave.

I come home, and just before I do this post, I google the part number of the nav firmware update disc he will be ordering. 22944166. THE 2013 MAP DISC! F@&$ me.

Any suggestions? I figure ill play his game, go in when he gets the MAP DISC!! it won't work, and then ill tell him to go ahead and use those discs that might "freeze the nav" to upgrade my firmware. What do you think?

I love dealing with unknowledgable, incompetent Cadillac dealers.

Hi Guy.Seminerio,

I understand your frustration with your current situation. I would like the opportunity to further discuss the software update with you. If you reach out to us via private message, we are more than happy to look into your situation with you.

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

Guy.Seminerio
08-26-13, 12:28 PM
Actually Laura, I may just take you up on this one since the knowledge is right here in the forums but non existent at the dealer. I'll let you know shortly if I need you to intervene.

Cadillac Cust Svc
08-26-13, 01:31 PM
Actually Laura, I may just take you up on this one since the knowledge is right here in the forums but non existent at the dealer. I'll let you know shortly if I need you to intervene.

Hi Guy.Seminerio,

Sounds good. I will be on the lookout for any messages from you.

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

RippyPartsDept
08-26-13, 02:16 PM
Guy,

I have those discs (15943724) by the way ...

Guy.Seminerio
08-26-13, 05:32 PM
Chris,

If you're asking me to drive 1 hr and 40 minutes for a nav update, I'm so in. I gotta see how I'm looking this weekend. I may be able to do Friday. Should I get with you or call service? Thanks a lot by the way.

Ludacrisvp
08-26-13, 06:09 PM
Chris,

If you're asking me to drive 1 hr and 40 minutes for a nav update, I'm so in. I gotta see how I'm looking this weekend. I may be able to do Friday. Should I get with you or call service? Thanks a lot by the way.

That would be the ticket.
Perhaps try to just use them to update if that fails then maybe try to use the diag code and put the unit in update mode? To try to force a flash?


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Guy.Seminerio
08-26-13, 06:59 PM
Speakin Spanish to me hopefully Chris gets it.

What does it take to open up a tsb. Do you think if this works for me along with the others in the forum, customer service could somehow push for a tsb so future 09 users don't have to go through this crap? I guarantee 80% of the 09s out there are missing this function and don't know, don't care, or tried and failed like I would have if it wasn't for this forum.

carter's_sts
08-27-13, 12:27 AM
Be really careful with that. I'm not sure about the 08s and up, but with the 05s - 07s there is a very specific way that the firmware is updated with the Tech II and CDs.

There have been a few who have hit the update button while in diag mode and they turned their Navs into bricks. Then you have to have a dealer reload the firmware.


That would be the ticket.
Perhaps try to just use them to update if that fails then maybe try to use the diag code and put the unit in update mode? To try to force a flash?


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RippyPartsDept
08-27-13, 09:45 AM
all I know is that I have the discs... i've even emailed them to people
the instructions are in the bulletin (as far as I know)
and i think it has been posted a few times (here's one (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/123088-2007-sts-v-technical-service-bulletin.html#post1294875))

being that your car doesn't fall into the bulletin you're taking a risk
my service department might be willing to help out
or i can try and talk to one of the guys and see if they want to do a little side work
but you'll pretty much have to tell them what you want them to do

even for cars that do fall under this bulletin not many people have heard of this or have done nav firmware updates

if someone else has done what you want to do then basically you're just following their lead
so you can kind of be confident in that

if not then you're blazing a trail for others to follow and kind of just have to wing it

Guy.Seminerio
08-27-13, 12:55 PM
Yeah I'm willing to take the gamble since others have done the same with success. I can probably do anytime on Friday.

dkozloski
08-27-13, 01:10 PM
Chris E-Mailed me NAV update disk images and a TSB for my '06 STS and it worked fine. I had no problem with the dealer. Later I mailed copies of the disks and the TSB to a forum member in Moscow, Russia and it worked great for him.

Ludacrisvp
08-27-13, 01:15 PM
I think the point that Chris is trying to make here is that the TSB points out the 05-07 models and the firmware update he has is for that TSB while the 08+ has a slightly different nav unit compared to the 05-07 models.
So the force flash gamble might render the whole unit useless. However, we are hoping that the differences between all the STS navs are minor enough that the firmware would be compatible across the entire line.
Does this mean using the diag code 3657 and the S/W Update button to force the unit to update? Not sure, this is the trail that is being blazed on your own.
http://pics.campl.us/f/3/3898.e3a746f7f0e5433d71c3dabec3a2b96e.jpg

RippyPartsDept
08-27-13, 01:20 PM
Guy,

If you want to go through service talk to either Albert or Kevin in the service department to set an appointment and get on the schedule. Let them know your situation and that I am involved and (sort of) know what's going on.

carter's_sts
08-27-13, 01:59 PM
I would not try to do the update for the 05-07 on your 09. I think you're asking for trouble. I doubt they're compatible.

I could be wrong, but it's risky unless you confirm that it's compatible.

RippyPartsDept
08-27-13, 03:12 PM
that's what i'm thinking but what other way could he possibly get a firmware update?

Guy.Seminerio
08-27-13, 07:11 PM
Chris do any other firmware update discs exist? Newer ones?

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In other words, besides these two exact discs, has there ever existed another way to update the firmware on these cars?

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Because if not, then the others who had this problem solved through a firmware update must've used these discs too.

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By the way I already called the dealer that ordered the map disc for me and lied and told me it was a nav update disc. I specifically said "this is the disc you put in to update the nav, then you take it back and use it for the next guy?" He said yes. Turns out the part number checks out as a map disc. So I call him and tell him I'm not driving an hour so he can put a map disc in my car and see that it doesn't work after I told him twice on the phone before I got there and twice while I was there, that this has nothing to do with the map disc. And I told his service guy personally.

He said he had to do what GM told him.

carter's_sts
08-27-13, 11:26 PM
Guy, I don't know if you could get anywhere with this, but maybe you should try contacting Denso (the manufacturer of the Nav) and see if you can get any info about firmware from them.

When they tell you to talk to GM dealers, tell them they do a bad job of keeping GM informed. Someone knows. You just have to find them.

Guy.Seminerio
08-28-13, 12:08 AM
Interesting I never thought of this. Ill do that tomorrow. Thanks. Meanwhile Chris, please let me know if these were the only update discs that ever were because if so, they're it.

carter's_sts
08-28-13, 01:51 AM
I really don't think so. That bulletin and those discs came out in 2007, so it wouldn't make any sense for the 08+ STSs to need that update.

It's got to be a different update. Also the fact that the version numbers between updated 05s - 07s and 08s - 09s that have Nav working with HUD are different proves it.

Guy.Seminerio
08-28-13, 09:16 AM
So you're thinking there has to be a different update disc for the newer cars. Ill call denso.

Ludacrisvp
08-28-13, 10:06 AM
So you're thinking there has to be a different update disc for the newer cars. Ill call denso.

If you do happen to get ahold of anyone at denso they will likely either have no idea what you are talking about or tell you they can't give you any information about it and maybe tell you to go pound sand.

But good luck either way.


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RippyPartsDept
08-28-13, 01:38 PM
as far as I understand it these discs are to update the 2005-07 systems to have the same firmware that the 2008+ use
any updates for the 2008+ systems would be done through the normal pathway using the laptop and OBD connector

Fierofiend
08-28-13, 05:45 PM
My 2008 has working navigation on hud. Navi 10C0.

Guy.Seminerio
08-28-13, 07:13 PM
Fierofriend, it seems the 08s weren't affected by this. Through old forums I know of 3 people with 09s who had this problem solved with a firmware update. My navi is 0070.

Chris, can your guys do that update for me?

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Called denso left a message with someone and didn't get a call back. I don't see that route going anywhere anyway.

Fierofiend
08-28-13, 07:42 PM
Is that the firm ware or hardware version?

Guy.Seminerio
08-29-13, 12:21 AM
It's the thing that says "NAVI"

Fierofiend
08-29-13, 08:31 AM
Lol, I figured that much out. Why do we have different "NAVI"? Is the unit physically different, or are you saying that yours needs software updating to match?

RippyPartsDept
08-29-13, 10:48 AM
Guy,

I can't say for sure ... all I can say is that we can try and see if there are any updates available for your system (although I assume that your local dealer has already tried this)

we don't really have a way to check and see what update (if any) you will get before-hand

Guy.Seminerio
08-29-13, 12:02 PM
Alright. I want to come in and you guys do whatever you can to update my nav. It definitely needs an update. I'm about 98% sure a firmware update will solve this problem and the evidence is here:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2012/170159-nav-turn-instructions-dont-show-hud.html

3 people, 2009s problem solved with firmware update.

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Oh and Chris, the second guy who is met with success says that the dealer ordered and installed the "upgrade disc" and the problem was solved.

RippyPartsDept
08-29-13, 02:03 PM
one thing i want to make sure of is that you are talking about OnStar TBT (turn by turn) directions? or just normal nav directions?

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the only firmware disc i can order from the navdisc center is the one we already have


SW Update for STS (v01.0C, V0FC1)

Catalog # 15943724



Features

Software Update for STS Nav System Radio (v01.0C, V0FC1)





that disc is not referenced anywhere in the 2009 STS service manual

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I did find a bulletin #09-08-44-007: Head Up Display (HUD) Navigation Guidance Does Not Appear, Radio Audio Not Working When Preset (+/-) Button is Depressed (Reprogram Navigation Radio Software Using Update Discs)

the disc # it says to use is 20844545

i can't find where to order that from the nav disc center
i'll look into this further when i get back from lunch
gotta eat!

carter's_sts
08-29-13, 03:02 PM
Bet that's what he needs.

RippyPartsDept
08-29-13, 03:39 PM
yeah i can't seem to figure out where to get that disc ... waiting on the nav disc center to get back to me still ....

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Guy,
if you want to get proactive about this you can call up my service department and let them know that you'd like to come in and get this software update done and that you've found what you think is a TSB that exactly mentions the problem you're having and let them look it up and see for themselves

don't let them know you've been talking with me already or they will just automatically assume that i know everything about you and your situation

they will then just come to me to get the discs ordered (which i'm already doing) and we will call you to set up an appointment when we do get the discs in

that's about all i can suggest at this point until we can get our hands on these discs

RippyPartsDept
08-29-13, 05:05 PM
Ok, so I called the NavDisc Center and they told me that this software disc is not available on the webstore only over the phone (stupid I know... but whatever)

they still haven't responded to my request via the webstore as to what is up with that disc

so it's on order and will take up to 2 weeks to show up ... apparently the have to cross the himallayas on foot before sending it via carrier pigeon

...

anywho ... it's on order and we'll get it eventually

Guy.Seminerio
08-29-13, 05:38 PM
Just so you guys know I called Chris' service guy and spoke to him.

Chris I can't thank you enough. I guess I'll hear from you guys when the disc comes in.

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Oh and no not the onstar turn by turn.

1BadCadSTS
08-30-13, 09:12 AM
Awesome work Chris!!!

Are you allowed to post the whole tsb for others? Does it require the tech 2 to initialize the update like with the 05-07 upstate?

RippyPartsDept
08-30-13, 10:13 AM
looks like it's done super easy by inserting the disc

I'd rather not post the whole TSB (GM has not been happy about that in the past... copyright, etc etc)

if anyone wants a copy though I'd be glad to email it to them (just send me a PM with your email address and your request for the bulletin)

1BadCadSTS
08-30-13, 11:27 AM
I only ask as does it apply for all sts (05-07 included) navs? I'm about ready to que up for my HUD retro fit for my 05 (which means I have to order the parts from you soon) and wondering if the HUD doesn't display directions if this will fix it.

RippyPartsDept
08-30-13, 11:53 AM
It actually only says for 2009 STS

Ludacrisvp
08-30-13, 01:22 PM
It will be interesting to see what version numbers change to...
Guy, be sure to take some before and after photos of the software info from the diag pin code 3657 (since that gives the most info).

mjcaddy
08-30-13, 01:30 PM
Just another update, I went to another dealer today and explained the problem, all of them didn't know what i was talking about so i grabbed the Navigation manual that comes with the car and showed them page 2-17,2-18 and told them i dont have that, and i asked online and people said i need firmware/software update, the service guy he said your car is an early 09 and this maybe a later update and you have the newer manual, i told him no. this is available for the 08 as well,
back and forth with this your model car don't have that and i was telling them that STS have it and i've seen it with my eyes in another car.
he said i'll go in the back and check if we have any bulletin, he came back with a printout for all the turn by turn GM made car, and list where it shows and where not, and in that printout it shows that STS with YQ1, YQ2 & YQ4 don't have turn by turn on HUD.
I just left.
I'm going to another dealer today after work.

1BadCadSTS
08-30-13, 01:43 PM
Supply them with the tsb number Chris from rippy gave us. Seems simple enough.

Ludacrisvp
08-30-13, 01:46 PM
Supply them with the tsb number Chris from rippy gave us. Seems simple enough.
Yup ... just make sure that they follow what Chris said he had to do:

Ok, so I called the NavDisc Center and they told me that this software disc is not available on the webstore only over the phone (stupid I know... but whatever)

RippyPartsDept
08-30-13, 03:04 PM
yeah i found that turn-by-turn onstar bulletin first before i found the correct bulletin
that's why i asked Guy about the turn-by-turn in post #66

Guy.Seminerio
08-30-13, 04:37 PM
Now that Chris found the tsb this shouldn't be an issue anymore. Refer them to the tsb

1BadCadSTS
08-30-13, 06:03 PM
If they can source the disc. As Chris said its not easily available.

mjcaddy
08-31-13, 01:50 AM
ok i went to Cadillac of naperville after work, I left work around 3:30 and was there around 4, i didnt see the guy I always deal with i saw the other gentleman, and he was swamped, and i really mean it, he had like 6 keys infront on him, and he was rushing to take them with the paperwork somewhere, every other tech already left, and it's the laborday weekend, so I really appreciated that he took couple of minutes to talk to me and he said we do that, BUT <<< he said: we can't guarantee anything!, you might get it working and it might do nothing and in rare cases in can brick your system! and you'll still have to pay us the $135, he said we do stuff like that all the time, people coming to them after fitting a Nav to a non nav car and things like that and they are happily do anything but they cant guarantee that what they do will work,
and he said please comeback or call us Tuesday and setup an appointment and we gonna do whatever you want but now I cant give my techs anymore because we are swamped.
I really thanked him for taking the time to talk to me vs just telling me that they are about to close and come back later, i think i'll take my chances and do it next week.

rbzstsv
08-31-13, 09:09 AM
Is this the caddy dealer that is across the street from Toyota? I think they own both. I bought my car from them. I will never go back. Used car manager was the most unprofessional person in car sales I've ever dealt with. After driving for over 2 hours for a 2ND look at a car this prick has the worst attitude, not to mention tells Me everything the salesmen told me was a lie. He used those words. After hours of dealing with this prick and his terrible attitude he wouldn't even let me test drive the car again. Told me the salesmen lied and that we don't do test drives. I told him this is my 2ND time looking that this car and I test drove it the other day but had to bring back asap because it was running out of gas and the sales man was going to gas it up but he needed to wait for the gas cards they use. ( as im staring at the gas tanks in back) he says there is no way I test drove that car. I said I just did but it was out of gas. He says bullshit n walks away from me!! I turned around at the moment and walked out. The new car manager saw this happen and runs out after me. I explain the situation and brings me to his office and hands me the keys n says I'll see you tomorrow, take car for the night. I take it over to a friends that swears up and down that the car was in an accident based on tape lines on inside fender n lack of clear coat over spray from factory. I return next day to ask hoping new car manger will be around. He's off for the day of course. The used car manager walks right up to me n trys the most half hearted apology and he won't even look me in the eyes. I ask about an accident which he Denys. Says he knows the owner who traded it in for a new Cummings and they have done all the service. I show him where the tape lines are n what my painter said. He tells me not to take advice from people who don't have a clue what they are talking about. He says I've owned over 50.classic cars n I buy 100s a week at auction. After more investigating I purchased the car. Few months later filling up on gas run a guy who asks is that the black V from the caddy/Toyota dealer? Yep I said real excited then he quickly asks how great of a deal I got because of all the body work that was done. Turns out it was in an accident. This dealer did the body work per the same used car manager who just lied straight to my face again. The car received new hood, drivers fender, head light, fog light, and few other smalls things because the last owner hit a parked car. This guy says he is always doing that. He is a snake in the grass and lies to so many people. He says that's why they can't keep techs or salesman because of this manager. Long story short it's been. 3.5 years n if anything is the same over there I will never go back n will express to everyone to.stay clear of that place. Sorry for the book I really dislike people like him. I hope your service is much better and that things have changed in the past few years. Good luck with the upgrade!

carter's_sts
08-31-13, 10:25 AM
He must sell a lot of cars or the owner(s) wouldn't keep him. Unless he's related to one of them.

Sounds like a piece of garbage of a person. They should get rid of him. People should complain to every agency / group there is until they do. Even by used car salesman standards he's bad.

mjcaddy
08-31-13, 11:29 AM
rbzstsv yes it's that one, but to be honest the other 2 cadillac dealership closer to me also across the street from a toyota dealerships!
It's the one on Ogden ave.
I've been doing my service with them for a while now, but only the things that's i cant do myself, the service writer is a good guy and the same with most of the techs i met there, the service people actually helped me find loopholes in the system so they can service my 05 SRX car under warranty.

about the salesmen, i met few of them, I went there one day while my car in service and talked to one guy and i can swear he told me the same lines, that the previous owner bought the car from them new and he always service it by them....
they all lie... it's not something new, they are salesmen! with all respect to the few honest guys. he start to call me everyday for the next 2-3 months about car they have and wanted me to trade in with them.

rbzstsv
08-31-13, 11:58 AM
I agree. It sucks to think they are dishonest. I actually went hook line and sinker believing him but on the other hand the new car manager was great! Terrible experience but I LOVE my car. Live and learn. But hopefully you keep having good luck with them. 3 years ago was a long time, many positive changes could be made and hopefully they did. I just don't take my car to any dealerships anymore. Cadillac needs to step up and stop letting these independent dealers ruin the brand. I realize Cadillac can't police every aspect of an independent dealers business model but a system of check and balances needs to be put in place. I think Cadillac has a few employees that can figure something out on the corporate level to keep these guys a little more in check.

todrules
08-31-13, 12:39 PM
Have you tried Heritage in Lombard? My car was routinely serviced there by the previous owner and he raved about their service. I didn't personally deal with them, but you name it they did it for him under warranty and GMPP warranty.

RippyPartsDept
09-05-13, 11:19 AM
got the disc set in today ... quicker than they said it would come

Guy, give the service dept. a call and set up your appointment for a time that's good for you

Guy.Seminerio
09-05-13, 12:51 PM
Will do thanks.

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Ok done ill be in tomorrow afternoon.

Guy.Seminerio
09-06-13, 07:43 PM
I am so freakin happy. It worked. I want to thank everybody for your help and input especially ludacrisvp and his expansive knowledge on this and Chris for finding this tsb that nobody else seemed to be able to find and rippy Cadillac as a whole. I want to give a special shout out to my local dealer for telling me I need a brand new $3000 navigation system. I'm glad that future 09 sts with this issue will be able to refer to this thread for a no shit answer on how to get the problem solved. Oh and thanks to cadillacforums. I would have absolutely zero ammunition if it wasn't for this forum. ;)

Fierofiend
09-06-13, 08:30 PM
Congrats on getting it solved!

Ludacrisvp
09-06-13, 08:32 PM
Glad you got it taken care of ... :)
Going to go show that other dealer how its supposed to work now?


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carter's_sts
09-06-13, 08:34 PM
Nice. Glad you got it solved. I love the shout out to the local dealer. :D

Guy.Seminerio
09-06-13, 08:40 PM
I just might. Things have been pretty hectic at work. I might just call them and tell them the tsb so they know for the future. It's 2 dealers that failed me.

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Thanks fierofiend and carter!

mjcaddy
09-06-13, 11:50 PM
thanks guy for the update, I didn't find time to go today, hopefully i'll do that Monday, Make a video like Ludacrisvp did.

Guy.Seminerio
09-07-13, 12:28 AM
Another video? I think I can manage that. In the meantime here are 2 pics I took on my way back home, shrunk down to "generous" cadillacforums portions.

carter's_sts
09-07-13, 02:37 AM
Stop making me wish I had HUD! I'm not reading this one any more. ;)

RippyPartsDept
09-07-13, 12:20 PM
Glad everything worked out smoothly for you ... and it was nice meeting you face-to-face

if you're ever in wilmington for leisure let me know

Guy.Seminerio
09-07-13, 12:56 PM
Will do. Thanks again.

Ludacrisvp
09-07-13, 03:13 PM
The V hood is so much more subtle on the inside of the car than I was expecting to see.

Guy.Seminerio
09-07-13, 04:48 PM
When I first went from sts to stsv it really stood out to me. Now I'm used to it. My buddy's mustang, a v6 has a bigger hood bulge than mine. It's all for show, but its a big bulge.

Guy.Seminerio
09-08-13, 03:13 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=AhV38h6jj8g&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DAhV38h6jj8g%26feature%3 Dyoutube_gdata_player

Driving home, decided to record. Had the iPhone and the steering wheel in one hand, shifting with the other. Anytime the high beams came on it was automatic. Couldn't signal while changing lanes, hence the lane departure warning system triple beeping whenever I switched lanes. As for the sound, engine cover and intake baffles removed for increased supercharger whine. Otherwise, stock. Watch in high resolution otherwise you won't be able to make out what the HUD says.

mjcaddy
09-09-13, 03:14 PM
Went today to the dealer and gave them the TSB and he right away recognized the problem and he asked which of the symptoms do you have :P I told him I don't get the turn by turn on my hud, signed the papers went to the waiting room after an hour he came back saying sorry the update discs we have get scratched and your car didn't read them, they ordered a new ones and told me they gonna call me when the new discs comes, and I got free car wash :P

Ludacrisvp
09-09-13, 03:28 PM
Guy - what are the new updated version numbers that you're seeing?

Curious if one could flash the 09 firmware on the 08 nav to get the speed warnings. But then again that would need a cluster too....

Fierofiend
09-09-13, 04:36 PM
"owner made not available on mobile" how come?

Guy.Seminerio
09-09-13, 05:52 PM
Luda, I've been meaning to check the versions. Ill do it tomorrow for sure.

Fierofiend, funny story, I'm the one that uploaded the video and I took it with my iPhone, yet I can't even watch it off youtube unless I'm on my computer. This is the first time I've ever uploaded on YouTube but there was nowhere where I saw I could enable or disable that option.

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Mj caddy good to hear you'll at least have the problem solved soon.

Cadillac Cust Svc
09-09-13, 06:04 PM
Went today to the dealer and gave them the TSB and he right away recognized the problem and he asked which of the symptoms do you have :P I told him I don't get the turn by turn on my hud, signed the papers went to the waiting room after an hour he came back saying sorry the update discs we have get scratched and your car didn't read them, they ordered a new ones and told me they gonna call me when the new discs comes, and I got free car wash :P

Hello mjcaddy,

I am glad the dealer was able to order new discs for you and they will contact you once they have them in. I am sorry for any inconvenience you are experiencing with your vehicle. Please keep us posted after the dealer is able to update your vehicle. If you ever have additional concerns or questions, don't hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

Guy.Seminerio
09-11-13, 10:01 PM
Navi changed from 0070 to 00A0.
Audio went from 02.01 to 02.05.

Those are the only two that changed. "Soft Rel" did not change for the record. I'm not convinced that changes with software updates to begin with.

mjcaddy
09-18-13, 12:54 PM
Navi changed from 0070 to 00A0.
Audio went from 02.01 to 02.05.

Those are the only two that changed. "Soft Rel" did not change for the record. I'm not convinced that changes with software updates to begin with.

Just came back from the dealership and IT WORKED!!!!
lol, I'm a happy man now (well, kinda) :P

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ue9o903cafcror2/pgMdx4OioG
this is a screenshot of my parts information page.

Guy.Seminerio
09-18-13, 02:50 PM
Glad to see it worked out. Very nice feature. I turn voice off the nav guidance now.

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My parts info page is identical to yours now.

Guy.Seminerio
09-20-13, 11:24 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9CsoS3T7Krs&feature=youtube_gdata_player&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9CsoS3T7Krs%26feature%3 Dyoutube_gdata_player

Posted a new video. Shorter. Shows a couple of things I didn't show last time due to being in manual mode the entire time. Demonstrates speed limit advisory stuff. Unfortunately you can't watch it on the iPhone. I can't even watch it on the very iPhone I recorded and uploaded it from. Go figure.

Guy.Seminerio
09-21-13, 01:00 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=c4-feed-u&v=3UsjOsAIpdM
This link works.

OMG-V
09-21-13, 07:57 AM
Both links work fine on my iPhone. Thanks, Guy.

Guy.Seminerio
09-21-13, 11:08 AM
Wow mine too now. Weird. Definitely better watching it in hd.

Fierofiend
09-21-13, 06:55 PM
What's that speed advisory thing, I haven't seen that on my 08.

Ludacrisvp
09-21-13, 07:40 PM
What's that speed advisory thing, I haven't seen that on my 08.

It's a 2009+ only feature.


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Guy.Seminerio
09-21-13, 11:21 PM
yep the settings are "at limit" "limit +5" "limit +10" and off. I don't think there is a +15 i forgot. It goes off info on the nav disc so not all roads are reported, but most major ones are.

If you're set "at limit" the numbers in the HUD will turn red as soon as you exceed the limit. If the limit is 35 and you hit 36, the number turns red and (if you're not in competitive driving mode) "Speed limit 35 MPH" will appear for a few seconds in the DIC. If you're set at +5, then from 36-40 the numbers will be amber. Once you exceed 5 over (41) the numbers turn red. +10, you get it.

Now, when you're coming around a curve and you have those yellow signs to warn you of a reduced speed limit for the curve, the word "Advisory Speed limit XX MPH" shows up in the HUD in yellow to warn you until you get through the "hazardous turn." A common time this would come up is on those off ramps where you're coming off at interstate speeds and going into a 35mph off ramp. You won't see the advisory if you're in manual shifting mode. The reduced speed limit would still show up in the DIC though. Every time the speed limit changes it shows up in the DIC, again if you're not in competitive driving mode.

Nice feature.

carter's_sts
09-22-13, 02:08 AM
Hey, what if after you put it in CDM, you then press the arrow up or down (to change the DIC display)? That should get rid of the CDM words on the DIC.

Fierofiend
09-22-13, 07:59 AM
Is there a way to update 08 to do that or is it on the 09 from different hardware?

Guy.Seminerio
09-22-13, 09:30 AM
Carter, yes true. That would solve that problem. Good point.

Fiero, the following is a recent post by ddadler in the STS forums as a response to ludacrisvp asking about the feature after seeing it in my first video:

This is part of the Speed Alert/Speed Advisory system. I upgraded my car to include this (required a 2009+ navigation radio, HUD and instrument cluster). The system retrieves speed information from the navigation disc. Depending on configuration, the HUD (and instrument cluster) will display speed limit data. The system can be configured to provide no warning, warning at speed limit, warning at speed limit +5 or warning at speed limit +10. The HUD display will change from green to amber (and some will then change from amber to red as a second interval). This was a base option in the STS with navigation and HUD for 2009+.

Not sure if it's as simple as swapping a 09+ radio in but he's the one you want to ask.