: What's your favorite pistol to shoot or carry?



Sinister Angel
03-13-05, 11:34 PM
G23 for me. I love how it shoots and feels. .40SW is a great cartridge as well.

So what do you guys carry or like to shoot if you can't/don't carry?

crockone
03-13-05, 11:58 PM
well i have a mossberg 835 real tree camo 12 guage...

i like the smith ans wesson 9 mm but in jersey you cant carry..

BUILDINGCTSAMG
03-14-05, 12:15 AM
Ive been really thinking about getting one for my 21st. I am thinking a sig p226....I know everyone may be shocked cause im a liberal and all but i just really enjoy shooting at the range, its relaxing while still being a challenge.

I am also thinking about getting an ar15 for fun.

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 12:49 AM
Ive been really thinking about getting one for my 21st. I am thinking a sig p226....I know everyone may be shocked cause im a liberal and all but i just really enjoy shooting at the range, its relaxing while still being a challenge.

I am also thinking about getting an ar15 for fun.

You can actually build an AR for pretty cheap.

Kev
03-14-05, 01:31 AM
Ruger Speed Six .357 2 3/4" barrel. I like shooting Winchester Super X 125 grain semi-jacketed hollow points. Spits fire in the daylight baby!

CadiJeff
03-14-05, 01:59 AM
I like my good 'ol 1903 colt 32, light gun, small round, but it is DEAD accurate to 50 yrds and has next to no recoil, power just isn't as important when you can put one up each nostril at 150 ft :D

lux hauler
03-14-05, 02:16 AM
I want to shoot a Baby Desert Eagle.

I held one at the local range and it fit my hand like it was made for it.

If it shoots as good as it felt, I'll buy one.

CadiJeff
03-14-05, 02:19 AM
I thought the same thing when I held one at Buckeye Outdoors

bbozsik
03-14-05, 02:35 AM
My favorite right now is my Ruger GP100, six shot .357 mag.

My new toy while I wait for f&*(^ Brady Bill check is a Sig Sauer P245 with night sites, factory laser (I know, I know, but why not?) and lamp, and laser grips.

I just have to find an indoor range around me since father Christmas just dumped 10 feet of snow of me.

My buddy also just picked up this old .22 9-shot revolver for 70 bucks. You feel like a crusty old cowboy with that, plinking off coke cans at 15 yards.

Ralph
03-14-05, 04:52 AM
I miss my Ruger P-85, but I'll buy a S&W 686 stainless 6-in. barrel in the future to target shoot with. They have some slick actions.

Katshot
03-14-05, 09:00 AM
Favorite to carry? Walther PPK-S. Favorite to fire (you're gonna LOVE this Ralph), my S&W 686 w/6" barrel. It was my first magnum and still my favorite!

Dead Sled
03-14-05, 10:27 AM
1911, sig 226, sig 220, S&W j-frame 357, and on and on

DopeStar 156
03-14-05, 11:28 AM
Dual Colt .45's.

Katshot
03-14-05, 12:03 PM
Dual Colt .45's.

I think maybe you watch too much TV.

evilrussian
03-14-05, 04:19 PM
So far I only have my trusted Makarov 9X18 for target practice, will carry when I get my permit. When funds become more availble I wanna build a custom 1911 based for carrying.

JSMeloche
03-14-05, 04:45 PM
as I love to say here in canada: ONLY IN AMERICA!!!

Stoneage_Caddy
03-14-05, 05:17 PM
umm ...i miss my M-16A2....

all the others ive used over the years i cant remember ....couple black powder , countless shotguns ,2 handguns , one a military 9 mil ....the other was also a 9 mil

I loved the range and doing the skeet stuff but i cant skeet shoot for the life of me , no matter how much i "lead" it doesnt work out...i must have fired at well over 300 clays ..prolly only hit 2 ....but if it dont move im a killer ....marksman in the airforce...

Neibor collects the old stuff , has the german handgun (walther i think?) and a very nice ww2 era Carbine ..he keeps wantin me to go shoot with him ....never have the damnd time ...

Ralph
03-14-05, 05:22 PM
Favorite to carry? Walther PPK-S. Favorite to fire (you're gonna LOVE this Ralph), my S&W 686 w/6" barrel. It was my first magnum and still my favorite!

I like the 7 or 8 shot 686's they make now. I wonder if the thinner cylender walls would mean you can't fire full-power loads after a certain amount of time. Weaker?

Ralph
03-14-05, 05:24 PM
as I love to say here in canada: ONLY IN AMERICA!!!

The only difference is that we canot carry. I had a rare carry permit for Canada but it was for my job. Finally they made crossbows legal to buy here and I wouldn't mind trying one out.

Rolex
03-14-05, 05:55 PM
My favorite to shoot is my Glock 22. Favorite to carry is a NAA derringer 22 mag revolver. I like the 22 mag pocket gun, but if the SHTF I'd want the Glock with the lasermax and high-cap mags. I'm considering a Glock 23 as my next purchase for its smaller size.

Katshot
03-14-05, 06:03 PM
I like the 7 or 8 shot 686's they make now. I wonder if the thinner cylender walls would mean you can't fire full-power loads after a certain amount of time. Weaker?

Good question. Mine is a six-shooter and it tends to hold the magnum cartridges. Makes it a PITA to eject them. Never talked to a gunsmith about so I'm not sure whether it's something that's easy to fix or just something that's common to the breed. I've always loved the gun though. great looking, well balanced, and dead accurate.

STS 310
03-14-05, 06:05 PM
Colt 1991 series 80 and highly customed. I load 185 grain Remington Golden Sabres.
I will shoot 45 over anything else, and John Browning's 1911 design was in itself a masterpiece.

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 06:12 PM
My favorite to shoot is my Glock 22. Favorite to carry is a NAA derringer 22 mag revolver. I like the 22 mag pocket gun, but if the SHTF I'd want the Glock with the lasermax and high-cap mags. I'm considering a Glock 23 as my next purchase for its smaller size.


Glock representing!

I figured you shot something in .40SW given your interest in the link :thumbsup:

Ralph
03-14-05, 06:17 PM
Colt 1991 series 80 and highly customed. I load 185 grain Remington Golden Sabres.
I will shoot 45 over anything else, and John Browning's 1911 design was in itself a masterpiece.

I agree about Browning, he was the MAN! I carried the Browning P-35 (High Power) in the service.

What do you think of the Para-Ordinance high capacity 1911's? I never much cared for the FAT grip of the P-85 in 9mm, but I bet it's a handful with a staggered .45 mag.

Ralph
03-14-05, 06:19 PM
Good question. Mine is a six-shooter and it tends to hold the magnum cartridges. Makes it a PITA to eject them. Never talked to a gunsmith about so I'm not sure whether it's something that's easy to fix or just something that's common to the breed. I've always loved the gun though. great looking, well balanced, and dead accurate.

In my experience, the spent shells should free fall and eject nicely by gravity alone? How often do you clean? Use a toothbrush and Hoppes #9 under the star-ejector also.....

ben72227
03-14-05, 06:40 PM
Deagles are pretty cool but aren't very practical except for target practice:rolleyes:

Personally, I like the Glock 22 and the H&K USP. Sigs are pretty good too.

Rolex
03-14-05, 06:41 PM
Glock representing!

I figured you shot something in .40SW given your interest in the link :thumbsup:

40 S&W is probably one of the two best rounds for personal defense. The other being the 45 ACP of course. Generally the 45 ACP pistols don't carry as many rounds as the 40, and if they do the grip on the gun is gigantic.

Katshot
03-14-05, 06:41 PM
In my experience, the spent shells should free fall and eject nicely by gravity alone? How often do you clean? Use a toothbrush and Hoppes #9 under the star-ejector also.....

It's done it since day 1. They jamb in the cylinder. Maybe it's a bad cylinder, who knows? Like I said, I never checked with a gunsmith about it. If I ever intended to carry it, then it might concern me but since it only goes to the range once in a while, I never pursued it.

STS 310
03-14-05, 06:44 PM
I agree about Browning, he was the MAN! I carried the Browning P-35 (High Power) in the service.

What do you think of the Para-Ordinance high capacity 1911's? I never much cared for the FAT grip of the P-85 in 9mm, but I bet it's a handful with a staggered .45 mag.

I have large hands, so the Para didnt feel to big to me. Not the "natural" feel of a "1911" though. I could get used to it.

Honestly, I was looking into buying one in 91, but the high cap ban took place and the price skyrocketed. 13 rounds of 45 cal was a dream.

I would like to find one now that youve mentioned it.

STS 310
03-14-05, 06:47 PM
A "goverment" Para in 45 ACP with its high cap mag is not going to be your best conceal piece.

But a Glock 21 will suffice. Nothing to get hung up on.

Ralph
03-14-05, 06:48 PM
It's done it since day 1. They jamb in the cylinder. Maybe it's a bad cylinder, who knows? Like I said, I never checked with a gunsmith about it. If I ever intended to carry it, then it might concern me but since it only goes to the range once in a while, I never pursued it.

Do you mean when shooting the cylender jams?? If that's the case I would bet that the overall length of the cartridge is a little too long and it binds the cylender. This can happen with heavier loads where the bullit itself is longer.

If your problem is just ejecting and hard to get the shells out of the chambers, is the star connecting with the rim of the shell to eject it?? I wish I could take a look at it!

Ralph
03-14-05, 06:52 PM
I would like to find one now that youve mentioned it.

I've seen some of the Paras, and the Canadian made frames were not the best looking imo. Sometimes they have little "pitts" or tiny imperfections in them. But the idea of a high cap. .45 is nice. (in comes Glock) They also make a very small version with a chopped barrel for concealment, but it would be fairly heavy with the extra cartridges in it I would imagine.

Katshot
03-14-05, 06:53 PM
Do you mean when shooting the cylender jams?? If that's the case I would bet that the overall length of the cartridge is a little too long and it binds the cylender. This can happen with heavier loads where the bullit itself is longer.

If your problem is just ejecting and hard to get the shells out of the chambers, is the star connecting with the rim of the shell to eject it?? I wish I could take a look at it!

The ejector is properly seating, it's just the shell casings seem jambed in the cylinder. A little extra force on the ejector pops them out but they "should" come out easier I think. 38's eject easily, it only seems to be the magnums that get stuck. The hotter the round, the more they stick.

Rolex
03-14-05, 06:56 PM
The ejector is properly seating, it's just the shell casings seem jambed in the cylinder. A little extra force on the ejector pops them out but they "should" come out easier I think. 38's eject easily, it only seems to be the magnums that get stuck. The hotter the round, the more they stick.

What brand of ammo are you shooting? Some foreign brands are laquered which keeps the shells pretty and shiny, but can "gum up" your action.

STS 310
03-14-05, 06:57 PM
I think Kimber, and Caspian are still making high cap 1911 frames. I know what you mean about the workmanship and quality. It was hit and miss back in 91 also. I dont know how Para Ord's quality is now. Truth is I was heavily into the gun scene about 14 years ago, but over those years, I slowed down on buying and shooting.

Katshot
03-14-05, 06:58 PM
I shoot anything available. Reloads, new, import, domestic. They all seem to do it. The only common thread seems to be like I said, the hotter the load, the more it sticks.

Ralph
03-14-05, 07:11 PM
I shoot anything available. Reloads, new, import, domestic. They all seem to do it. The only common thread seems to be like I said, the hotter the load, the more it sticks.

If .38 and .38 +P loads are ejecting nice and clean then I would think it's not the firearm's fault. I seem to remember someone mentioning this problem in an article or somewhere and it was like you said, the hotter and longer caseings being a bit stubborn to eject.

In our training, using the S&W Model 10's, the instructor made us do a pretty hard SLAP of the ejector rod when the firearm was in unloading position. If you don't hit it hard enough the first time, you'll have to pick a few out by hand in some cases. We were timed and had to qualify so we didn't have time for hand eject if that failed.

All I can recommend to you is clean out each chamber like you would the barrel of the revolver, try other brands like you have, and keep plugging away. Besides, 6 shots is all you need if you have practised enough. ;)

Here is a pic of my torn up hands after firing over 600 rounds in 2 days of +P .38's from the Model 10's! You can see exactly where I hit the ejector rod on my left palm! We were also breaking in new holsters and they were tight as heck.

davesdeville
03-14-05, 07:41 PM
I might get a S&W 50 cal when I'm 19. Just to say I have a 50 cal handgun, it doesn't actually seem too practical. I'll probably get a 22 or a 9mm for my car, something hopefully not too lethal..

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 08:10 PM
something hopefully not too lethal..


.... :histeric:

Kev
03-14-05, 08:28 PM
IF th S ever HTF you boys with semi-autos are gonna wish you had a whole lot more target practice. Firing under stress and pressure is not an easy feat. The acuracy of a nice little wheel gun is of great comfort in those situations. Reloading you say? You may not have time to reload, you may only have time to get five or six shots off in which case you'd better make them all count!

TeagueJT81
03-14-05, 09:07 PM
What I really want is a SPAS-12. I'm thinking about getting one come summer. As for pistols, I've never actually shot one, but the .50 Desert Eagle always seems to be a favorite, so I'd probably go with it.

Rolex
03-14-05, 09:34 PM
IF th S ever HTF you boys with semi-autos are gonna wish you had a whole lot more target practice. Firing under stress and pressure is not an easy feat. The acuracy of a nice little wheel gun is of great comfort in those situations. Reloading you say? You may not have time to reload, you may only have time to get five or six shots off in which case you'd better make them all count!

Recently requalified for my CWL alongside another guy with semi-auto and I made him look like a punk (qualified with my Glock 22). I agree with you, being able to hit your intended target is paramount. You can spend a fortune on equipment and ammo but it doesn't mean a thing unless you can hit what you're shooting at. If the SHTF in low light conditions I'm turning up the Lasermax...no need to aim. During the daylight hours, I'll outshoot your wheel gun anyday with my G 22. :gungrin: The challenge has been made! :nyanya:


As for pistols, I've never actually shot one, but the .50 Desert Eagle always seems to be a favorite, so I'd probably go with it.

The DE 50 looks great in movies but it's an impractical gun for self defense, home defense, and concealed carry. Having said that....I'd like one too. :rolleyes:

Rolex
03-14-05, 09:59 PM
I am oficially claiming this thread in the name of gratuitus pistol porn! :sneaky:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/pistols.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/lasermax.jpg


Bring it!!! :want:

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 10:23 PM
Bring it!!! :want:

http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u39/spirit03/large/35071492.glock006.jpg

http://www.spiderweb.cc/dump/63%20Rounds%20of%20goodness.JPG

Ralph
03-14-05, 10:27 PM
What I really want is a SPAS-12. I'm thinking about getting one come summer. As for pistols, I've never actually shot one, but the .50 Desert Eagle always seems to be a favorite, so I'd probably go with it.

You're very BRAVE!! :yup: Most people start of with smaller, develop their skill THEN take the .50 plunge! :shhh: ;)

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 10:28 PM
ROLEX, that an TSW .40 I spy?

Rolex
03-14-05, 10:38 PM
ROLEX, that an TSW .40 I spy?

Yup. My first pistol, S&W 4006. Had it since my 21st b-day. I've shot thoouusands of rounds through it without a catch.

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 10:40 PM
Ahh, Ok. Thought so. I held one at the gun store. Felt real nice, but I don't like the feel of a DA/SA in terms of the trigger. I like the style of the gun though.

Rolex
03-14-05, 10:44 PM
Ahh, Ok. Thought so. I held one at the gun store. Felt real nice, but I don't like the feel of a DA/SA in terms of the trigger. I like the style of the gun though.

Agreed...the trigger sucks. The S&W (unloaded) is heavier then my G 22 with a full load. It's the sidearm you'd want to pistol whip with because it's damn heavy.:sneaky:

Sinister Angel
03-14-05, 10:50 PM
Agreed...the trigger sucks. The S&W (unloaded) is heavier then my G 22 with a full load. It's the sidearm you'd want to pistol whip with because it's damn heavy.:sneaky:
Hehehe

You will definately be pleased with the G23 if you get it though. I shot one before I went out on the boat this summer, and I fell in love. Now that it's been a few months since I've had mine, I've had no regrets.

Ralph
03-14-05, 10:53 PM
Don't Americans ever buy American firearms anymore?? :(

What I'd really like is a Colt Python. I think they are only specially or custom made now though and VERY expensive.

ben72227
03-15-05, 12:24 AM
Don't Americans ever buy American firearms anymore?? :(

Sure, I'll get one of those Bushmaster M4s now that they're legal:thumbsup:

Raplh, American semi-auto pistols just aren't that neat anymore. I mean theres always the M1911, but i mean it IS a 100 years old or something:suspense:

Besides, Glocks, Sigs, H&Ks, Taurus, etc. are so cool...

Ralph
03-15-05, 12:52 AM
Raplh, American semi-auto pistols just aren't that neat anymore. I mean theres always the M1911, but i mean it IS a 100 years old or something:suspense:


I'll take 'proven" technology ANYDAY. :thumbsup: That's probably why i would love a Tommy Gun in .45 ACP. if I had to go to war, or my FN-FAL from 20 years ago.

Personally, I just cannot get that excited over a polymer/plastic firearm. No offense to Rolex or my buddy SA, it's just my personal stereotype. I wouldn't feel like I'm getting my money's worth or something, and plastic should be cheaper but it isn't in this case. I know that the RCMP had issues with Glocks warping (Temp tests) about 14 years ago or whenever they arrived in NA, and they didn't pass the qualifying tests back then for their standards. However, NOW I see the RCMP carrying S&W and Glock autos so they must have got them right. I like American steel, plain and simple!

Then there is the newer Ruger P-Series in polymer and they look interesting, esp. in .45 cal, so I guess I'm a bit of a hippocrit. I like the fact that Ruger has more than reasonable prices for their polymer lin-up, but I'm not paying $1,000 for a Glock! I think American firearms companies offer something for everyone. I always thought that a polymer revolver would be interesting and why can't it be done? Frame strength? Just a thought.

davesdeville
03-15-05, 02:54 AM
For crying out loud resize that damn pic.


.... :histeric:

OK, make that a 700 nitro express in case I ever see you. I'd carry a weapon for defense so I can incapacitate someone if I need to, thus the less lethal comment.

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 08:13 AM
I'll take 'proven" technology ANYDAY. :thumbsup: That's probably why i would love a Tommy Gun in .45 ACP. if I had to go to war, or my FN-FAL from 20 years ago.

Nothing wrong with American Iron. 1911 is a tried and true design. I love my one friends Colt Commander, but I can't shoot my other friend's Springfield Milspec worth shit. Same friend also just got a P229 chambered in .40SW that I play bulldozer with. No clue why I can't shoot his firearms. I can shoot another guy's P226 decently though.

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 08:14 AM
I'd carry a weapon for defense so I can incapacitate someone if I need to, thus the less lethal comment.

Yeaahhhhh.... less lethal... riiiiiight.

Hope you like lawsuits buddy :thumbsup:

TeagueJT81
03-15-05, 10:01 AM
You're very BRAVE!! :yup: Most people start of with smaller, develop their skill THEN take the .50 plunge! :shhh: ;)

Nah, I'll start with the big one. Then something more practical for concealed carry, like a .45 or .38, will seem easy to learn. I still need to turn 21 though.

STS 310
03-15-05, 12:59 PM
IF th S ever HTF you boys with semi-autos are gonna wish you had a whole lot more target practice. Firing under stress and pressure is not an easy feat. The acuracy of a nice little wheel gun is of great comfort in those situations. Reloading you say? You may not have time to reload, you may only have time to get five or six shots off in which case you'd better make them all count!

I'll stick with my semi-auto. Its been time tested. No worries.

STS 310
03-15-05, 01:09 PM
What I really want is a SPAS-12. I'm thinking about getting one come summer. As for pistols, I've never actually shot one, but the .50 Desert Eagle always seems to be a favorite, so I'd probably go with it.

Thats like learning to fly in F-22 when your going to buy a Cesna.

Its a whole lot of gun. Doesnt shoot like any other pistol. The flash from a shot fired is like a beach ball.

Katshot
03-15-05, 01:18 PM
You're very BRAVE!! :yup: Most people start of with smaller, develop their skill THEN take the .50 plunge! :shhh: ;)

Yeah, and wait 'til he sees the price of the ammo for that thing. :rolleyes2

caddydaddy
03-15-05, 01:53 PM
Yeah, and wait 'til he sees the price of the ammo for that thing. :rolleyes2

LOL, yeah, it's around $1 per round! I'll stick with my cheap to shoot 9mm!

Katshot
03-15-05, 02:12 PM
LOL, yeah, it's around $1 per round! I'll stick with my cheap to shoot 9mm!

That was one of the big reasons I loved having my 686. Magnum power when you want, and .38 economy when you don't.
BTW, my buddy had a .44 Auto-Mag years ago. I remember him bitching about having to have the shells made for him. I just laughed!

LoneRanger
03-15-05, 02:16 PM
I have had a SW .357 6" but was not really happy with it.
Have shot the Dirty Harry type pistols and that is interesting.
Have had a Lugar 22 and it was nice
Have had a Ruger 22 and it was fair.

Still looking for the right pistol. I want something to carry around the farm in case I run into a rabid coon and a gun for finishing a deer I am tracking and a gun for putting a bullet between a pigs eye prior to butchering and a gun for just shooting off the porch. Right now, I am open to suggestions. I check out different pistols but none "grabs" me. Luckily, I have the permanent concealed weapons permit for NY so I can pretty much carry it anywhere but a federal building or school.

davesdeville
03-15-05, 02:37 PM
Yeaahhhhh.... less lethal... riiiiiight.

Hope you like lawsuits buddy :thumbsup:

Hope you like going to jail for killing the mailman. Not sure how I could get sued for carrying a pistol and probably never using it.

Ralph
03-15-05, 02:48 PM
Hope you like going to jail for killing the mailman. Not sure how I could get sued for carrying a pistol and probably never using it.

I think he means that if you need to use it, it's almost better to "put them down for good" if you know what I mean.....otherwise, they will just sue you for attempted....m

Because really, what's the point of having one for defence if you won't use it to it's full abilities...

you know what they say about a "wounded animal".......

Rolex
03-15-05, 03:40 PM
Sure, I'll get one of those Bushmaster M4s now that they're legal:thumbsup:



When was the M4 ever illegal to buy or own? The 1994 ban disallowed bayonet lugs, vertical foregrips, and collapsable stocks, but you could always own the rifle. This is a common misunderstanding. The AR and AK rifles were never illegal to own.

Rolex
03-15-05, 03:43 PM
I'll take 'proven" technology ANYDAY. :thumbsup: That's probably why i would love a Tommy Gun in .45 ACP. if I had to go to war, or my FN-FAL from 20 years ago.

Personally, I just cannot get that excited over a polymer/plastic firearm. No offense to Rolex or my buddy SA, it's just my personal stereotype. I wouldn't feel like I'm getting my money's worth or something, and plastic should be cheaper but it isn't in this case. I know that the RCMP had issues with Glocks warping (Temp tests) about 14 years ago or whenever they arrived in NA, and they didn't pass the qualifying tests back then for their standards. However, NOW I see the RCMP carrying S&W and Glock autos so they must have got them right. I like American steel, plain and simple!

Then there is the newer Ruger P-Series in polymer and they look interesting, esp. in .45 cal, so I guess I'm a bit of a hippocrit. I like the fact that Ruger has more than reasonable prices for their polymer lin-up, but I'm not paying $1,000 for a Glock! I think American firearms companies offer something for everyone. I always thought that a polymer revolver would be interesting and why can't it be done? Frame strength? Just a thought.

I understand what you mean. The polymer firearms are very en vogue right now with cops and concealed carry people (the "black gun" craze). I still like to see real wood and stainless or blue steel on a gun now and then. This is why I have held onto my S&W since my 21st B-day.

Katshot
03-15-05, 04:39 PM
I have had a SW .357 6" but was not really happy with it.
Have shot the Dirty Harry type pistols and that is interesting.
Have had a Lugar 22 and it was nice
Have had a Ruger 22 and it was fair.

Still looking for the right pistol. I want something to carry around the farm in case I run into a rabid coon and a gun for finishing a deer I am tracking and a gun for putting a bullet between a pigs eye prior to butchering and a gun for just shooting off the porch. Right now, I am open to suggestions. I check out different pistols but none "grabs" me. Luckily, I have the permanent concealed weapons permit for NY so I can pretty much carry it anywhere but a federal building or school.

.22 Mag. I've used it for killing pigs, coons (and other small game around the farm), and it's a hoot for plinking too. It's a Colt with interchangable cylinders (LR and Mag).

LoneRanger
03-15-05, 04:51 PM
Sounds interesting. Can you give me model number and other details. I will check it out.
Just like a car, a nice pistol "fits". My DHS is like an old friend. I really appreciate the fine engineering, handling and smoothiness. Same with a pistol. I just have not found my DHS yet so if anyone has input, I am open to suggestions.
Thank you.

STS 310
03-15-05, 04:53 PM
LOL, yeah, it's around $1 per round! I'll stick with my cheap to shoot 9mm!

I can remember shooting the 50 at a range and a box of 20 rounds was $43.00.

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 05:15 PM
Hope you like going to jail for killing the mailman. Not sure how I could get sued for carrying a pistol and probably never using it.
:histeric: Man, you are as illogical as RB

Elvis
03-15-05, 05:28 PM
I could show you pictures of my favorite concealed weapon to "carry" and "shoot" but Sal would probably ban me for life.

Rolex
03-15-05, 05:37 PM
I could show you pictures of my favorite concealed weapon to "carry" and "shoot" but Sal would probably ban me for life.

Show me, show me!!! :excited: :littlewes

CoupeDevilleRob
03-15-05, 05:51 PM
As soon as I get the hell out of college I'll be in the Police Academy and that means an NYPD issue Smith and Wesson model 5946 9mm for me. The choice is either that or a Glock, but I don't like Glocks. The idea of all that plastic in a gun doesn't sit right with me, plus they aren't as safe as the S&W. Almost every accidental shooting involving an NYPD officer involves a Glock, supposedly they have real light triggers or something. And there was a massive recall on all the Glocks the NYPD issued, something about a spring that would fail when the gun was fired. Every cop who had one, something like 18,000 or about half the department, had to take it back the range to be repaired. Glock even sent specialists from Austria to help out.

My dad has the smaller, 13 shot version of the aforementioned S&W, it was his service weapon when he was a correction officer. It's a pretty sweet gun to shoot with, I like the three dot sights it has. He always carries a S&W model 36 snub-nose .38. Typical old school cop.

Vesicant
03-15-05, 05:53 PM
I wonder if one could conceal one of these LOL :

http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/FirearmsPage/Smith500PC-01.jpg

STS 310
03-15-05, 06:00 PM
That FN FiveSeven would be a nice addition to my collection. But their purpose would turn me in to public enemy number 1 with law enforcement.

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 06:01 PM
As soon as I get the hell out of college I'll be in the Police Academy and that means an NYPD issue Smith and Wesson model 5946 9mm for me. The choice is either that or a Glock, but I don't like Glocks. The idea of all that plastic in a gun doesn't sit right with me, plus they aren't as safe as the S&W. Almost every accidental shooting involving an NYPD officer involves a Glock, supposedly they have real light triggers or something. And there was a massive recall on all the Glocks the NYPD issued, something about a spring that would fail when the gun was fired. Every cop who had one, something like 18,000 or about half the department, had to take it back the range to be repaired. Glock even sent specialists from Austria to help out.


...Glocks aren't as safe? Safety starts with your ****ing brain! Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are ready to fire! These "accidental shootings" are really negligent discharges because the stupid pig had his finger on the trigger when he shouldn't have. Light triggers? You're kidding, right?

I guarantee my Glock is more safe than most other guns with external safeties. Why? Because I'm not a ****ing idiot!

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 06:02 PM
That FN FiveSeven would be a nice addition to my collection. But their purpose would turn me in to public enemy number 1 with law enforcement.

That and bloody ****ing idiot legislators are pushing to make SS190 illegal.

Rolex
03-15-05, 06:13 PM
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are ready to fire! These "accidental shootings" are really negligent discharges

This is basically what I was thinking....just not worded so colorfully:histeric: . Exercise good trigger discipline and you'll avoid an AD. I've owned S&W and Glock, and one is just as reliable as the next IMHO.

Ralph
03-15-05, 06:20 PM
As soon as I get the hell out of college I'll be in the Police Academy and that means an NYPD issue Smith and Wesson model 5946 9mm for me. The choice is either that or a Glock, but I don't like Glocks. The idea of all that plastic in a gun doesn't sit right with me, plus they aren't as safe as the S&W. Almost every accidental shooting involving an NYPD officer involves a Glock, supposedly they have real light triggers or something. And there was a massive recall on all the Glocks the NYPD issued, something about a spring that would fail when the gun was fired. Every cop who had one, something like 18,000 or about half the department, had to take it back the range to be repaired. Glock even sent specialists from Austria to help out.

My dad has the smaller, 13 shot version of the aforementioned S&W, it was his service weapon when he was a correction officer. It's a pretty sweet gun to shoot with, I like the three dot sights it has. He always carries a S&W model 36 snub-nose .38. Typical old school cop.

A firearm is only truly "safe" if it's left alone and not touched by hands. So in that regard, one gun really isn't more safe than others imo. When you train, they will teach you aspects like learning to draw with your "booger hook" (as SA points out) off the trigger. NYPD may also have a policy, like some other departments, that require police to have the safety engaged while carrying, and they'll train and drill it in your head to draw WHILE disengaging the safety. After a while it will become automatic and you won't have to think about it. Many departments looked at issues like this and determined that it is UNSAFE to have the safety ENGAGED because if they weren't properly trained (on their own time as well) and drew the gun needing to fire quickly, and forgot to disengage the safety, it can cost your life!

With revolvers you don't have to worry about these issues because there is no safety. The safety is in the double action and that it is a heavy long pull to fire each shot. I cringe everytime I see a police drama and they cock the revolver and that could be a law suit waiting to happen because all it requires to fire in single-action mode is a feather touch. If you bang your elbow, or panic with your finger on the trigger, BOOM!

CoupeDevilleRob
03-15-05, 06:21 PM
...Glocks aren't as safe? Safety starts with your ****ing brain! Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are ready to fire! These "accidental shootings" are really negligent discharges because the stupid pig had his finger on the trigger when he shouldn't have. Light triggers? You're kidding, right?

I guarantee my Glock is more safe than most other guns with external safeties. Why? Because I'm not a ****ing idiot!

I'm with you, most of these "accidents" are the result of somebody doing something stupid. But I'm calling it as I see it, more Glocks are involved in accidents than Smith and Wessons, and the percentage of people with Glocks and S&Ws is about even. And none of the guns the NYPD approve for service use have external safeties, they have to be double action only and have a magazine disconnect.

Sinister Angel
03-15-05, 06:24 PM
and have a magazine disconnect.

Strike number 2!

STS 310
03-15-05, 06:24 PM
We have Hollywood to blame for bad firearm safety. How many times do you watch a movie or television program and see a finger in the trigger guard on the trigger and the guy has no target.

I like the "hold the gun sideways" in the "homeboy" style. That really gets me laughing.

STS 310
03-15-05, 06:25 PM
Strike number 2!

Amen.

Ralph
03-15-05, 06:29 PM
I'm with you, most of these "accidents" are the result of somebody doing something stupid. But I'm calling it as I see it, more Glocks are involved in accidents than Smith and Wessons, and the percentage of people with Glocks and S&Ws is about even. And none of the guns the NYPD approve for service use have external safeties, they have to be double action only and have a magazine disconnect.

That's just because of a lack of training, or policemen who are not enthusiasts and do not go to the range on their night off.

See my last post for this explaination. #80

It's impossible to hit anything with the gun held sideways! I've tried it.

CoupeDevilleRob
03-15-05, 06:31 PM
I know, they try to make these things as idiot proof as possible because they tend to hire idiots. They really need to tighten up on hiring standards, just look at the two retired detectives who got locked up for being hitmen, one's entire family was in the mob, the other had been arrested for burglary. Its amazing what gets through.

And then there are cops who are totally not into having a gun. A lot of the cops I work with don't even carry off duty, they leave their gun in their locker when they leave work. The only time they ever shoot is when they have to requalify once a year. I think an affinity for firearms should be a job requirement.

TeagueJT81
03-15-05, 06:52 PM
I can remember shooting the 50 at a range and a box of 20 rounds was $43.00.

Hm. Maybe I'll just shut up and learn on a .38 revolver, then.

evilrussian
03-15-05, 07:12 PM
Speaking of gun safety :D ...

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/680/

I dunno, maybe some have seen that already...

Elvis
03-16-05, 06:21 PM
That never gets old. :histeric:

Instructor: "Listen to me! Listen to me! Guys, Listen to me! Bring that other gun out."

Students: "NO!!!! NO!!!! PUT IT DOWN!!!!"

Instructor: "But it's an empty weapon!"

Students: "PUT IT DOWN!!!!"

davesdeville
03-16-05, 07:21 PM
:histeric: Man, you are as illogical as RB

You sure do a lot of laughing for not backing up your statements at all.

Kev
03-16-05, 07:29 PM
I think an affinity for firearms should be a job requirement.Firearms are just one of the tools of the trade for law enforcement. An affinity as you put it is not necesarry, but a healthy respect and expert knowlege in care, use and handling, these are certainly desireable assets in the field.

Sinister Angel
03-16-05, 07:36 PM
Firearms are just one of the tools of the trade for law enforcement. An affinity as you put it is not necesarry, but a healthy respect and expert knowlege in care, use and handling, these are certainly desireable assets in the field.

+1

Sinister Angel
03-16-05, 07:39 PM
You sure do a lot of laughing for not backing up your statements at all.

Dude, I call you on your "less than lethal" comment, then you equate that with me shooting the mailman and you not ever pulling a gun? Dude, you are grade A retarded. Hell, Jerry's Kids exponentially more intelligence than you.

Ralph
03-16-05, 07:41 PM
Firearms are just one of the tools of the trade for law enforcement. An affinity as you put it is not necesarry, but a healthy respect and expert knowlege in care, use and handling, these are certainly desireable assets in the field.

Fist off, let me say Kevo, that's a beautiful avatar! :mad: :D


I think it does help that the police officer/soldier has a background in firearms. If they have motivation to learn, practise and hone their skill they will be better able to handle a stressful situation with confidence if need be. Handling the firearm may already become automatic and natural if they had experience prior.

Lets not forget that in WW2, MANY of the soldiers were from farms (I'm speaking of my area) and they knew how to shoot because it's really a skill that takes years to become profecient with. What's the saying, "to shoot a rifle well is a skill, to shoot a pistol well is an artform." It's much more difficult to shoot a pistol accurately simply because of the very short sight radius.

I talked with many old WW2 vets who lived in my other apt. building years ago and they said when the going got tough in the Aleutian Islands (for example) they called up the Saskatchewan farm boys to deal with the Japanese! I am talking of the American soldiers they fought with here!

I most definately think it helps to be an enthusiast in firearms to be better with them. Practise makes perfect. Basic training is not enough, cadets must go practice a couple nights off every week IMO. There was one guy when I was a guard, and he NEVER practised on his time off. He didn't qualify and had to wait 6 months before the trainer would be in our area to attempt qualification again!! Yes, he lost 6 months pay in that time!

Kev
03-16-05, 07:57 PM
Glad you like the avatar Ralphie!

If you look at statistics I'm pretty sure you will see that the percentage of law enforcement personel who draw their weapons in the course of duty is relatively low, lower still is the percentage who actually fire those weapons.

If you are an officer in a metropolitan area with a high rate of violent crime and are assigned in the field then the need for firearms use will obviously be greater and a higher proficiency might mean the difference of going home at the end of the shift or occupying a slab in the morgue.

The bottom line is, whoever you may be, if you own or handle firearms you should do so with respect and proficiency.

"Don't be stupid!" - Paul Teutul Sr.

Rolex
03-17-05, 07:37 AM
I'm with you, most of these "accidents" are the result of somebody doing something stupid. But I'm calling it as I see it, more Glocks are involved in accidents than Smith and Wessons, and the percentage of people with Glocks and S&Ws is about even. And none of the guns the NYPD approve for service use have external safeties, they have to be double action only and have a magazine disconnect.

I carried a Glock for a year without a round chambered before I developed enough confidence in the gun....or rather in myself. I've been seriously shooting pistols for 9 years now and I find the Glock to be as safe as any other handgun. Just keep your finger our of the guard until you're ready to blast and you're ok. The Glock is just as safe (if not safer) than any DA revolver.

The only real world application where an external safety might be to your benefit is if a person were to snatch your sidearm from you. That extra split- second it takes for someone to figure out how to deactivate the safety might save your life.

Sinister Angel
03-17-05, 12:33 PM
I carried a Glock for a year without a round chambered before I developed enough confidence in the gun....or rather in myself. I've been seriously shooting pistols for 9 years now and I find the Glock to be as safe as any other handgun. Just keep your finger our of the guard until you're ready to blast and you're ok. The Glock is just as safe (if not safer) than any DA revolver.

The only real world application where an external safety might be to your benefit is if a person were to snatch your sidearm from you. That extra split- second it takes for someone to figure out how to deactivate the safety might save your life.

If you are carrying, you are going to want to avoid a physical confrontation anyway, because not mixing it up with another guy is the way to keep your gun from getting snatched. Of course this can't really apply to law enforcement.

Swangin-&-Bangin
03-17-05, 12:56 PM
My primary gun is a Sig Pro SP 2340 .357 Sig Auto. My backup gun ia a Kel-Tec P3AT .380 Auto. If my clothing doesnt allow for me to holster & conceal the the .357 Sig, the Kel-Tec is the smallest .380 that is made and can always go in my pocket unnoticed.

Neither gun has a manual safety & I always keep a round chambered.
The Kel-Tec is Double Action all the time.
The Sig Pro is Double Action on the first pull, & Single Action on all the rest of the pulls.

I love the Sig, It's very accurate, and pack a hell of a bark & bite!

STS 310
03-17-05, 12:57 PM
The only real world application where an external safety might be to your benefit is if a person were to snatch your sidearm from you. That extra split- second it takes for someone to figure out how to deactivate the safety might save your life.

I would disagree. Give me all the safetys you can. If I dont choose to use them, well thats my perogitive.

Thats why I like my 1911. Cocked and Locked for sure.

Rolex
03-17-05, 06:17 PM
I would disagree. Give me all the safetys you can. If I dont choose to use them, well thats my perogitive.

Thats why I like my 1911. Cocked and Locked for sure.

The 1911 is a tried and true design that is still one of the most popular handgun platforms (and admittedly one of the best shooting IMO). The Glock pistols have 3 integrated safeties: the trigger safety, firing pin safety, and a drop safety. Most modern 1911 pistols have 2, if not 3 safeties also so "safety" is all a matter of opinion. Being comfortable and proficient with whatever you decide to carry is probably the best safety you can have. :D

Kev
03-17-05, 06:21 PM
The 1911 is a tried and true design that is still one of the most popular handgun platforms (and admittedly one of the best shooting IMO). The Glock pistols have 3 integrated safeties: the trigger safety, firing pin safety, and a drop safety. Most modern 1911 pistols have 2, if not 3 safeties also so "safety" is all a matter of opinion. Being comfortable and proficient with whatever you decide to carry is probably the best safety you can have. :DAmen brother! :thumbsup:

davesdeville
03-17-05, 09:25 PM
Dude, I call you on your "less than lethal" comment, then you equate that with me shooting the mailman and you not ever pulling a gun? Dude, you are grade A retarded. Hell, Jerry's Kids exponentially more intelligence than you.

You're not making any sense. You didn't "call me" on anything. You said I'd get sued for no reason. I remember last time there was a topic on guns that I read you said you'd shoot anyone on your property or something along those lines, so if you say I'll get sued without a reason for saying it I can say you'll go to jail for shooting the mailman because I have a reason.

Keep up the personal attacks too, they really make you look great. :thumbsup:

Roswell256
03-18-05, 12:52 PM
I shoot anything available. Reloads, new, import, domestic. They all seem to do it. The only common thread seems to be like I said, the hotter the load, the more it sticks.


I'm guessing here. But I would say a small imperfection in the honeing of the cylender wall. Meaning that maybe the center or some part of the cyclenders round chamber is just every so slightly larger than the opening.

Now the brass caseing is going to expand. and expand more for hotter rounds. When it expands it causes the caseing to become off true round. Making it harder to take out.

If that makes any sence.

Maybe its something to look into.

-Robert-

Roswell256
03-18-05, 01:06 PM
I wonder if one could conceal one of these LOL :

http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/FirearmsPage/Smith500PC-01.jpg


I'm 6'9" 250lb.. I could probably conceal a Mossburg 500 pump.

Sinister Angel
03-18-05, 05:36 PM
You said I'd get sued for no reason.
No reason?

I'll probably get a 22 or a 9mm for my car, something hopefully not too lethal..

I'd carry a weapon for defense so I can incapacitate someone if I need to, thus the less lethal comment.
Of course you are a little slow when I comment on what happens if you don't put them down for good.

Hope you like going to jail for killing the mailman. Not sure how I could get sued for carrying a pistol and probably never using it.
Of course ralph explains it real clear what the hell I'm talking about

I think he means that if you need to use it, it's almost better to "put them down for good" if you know what I mean.....otherwise, they will just sue you for attempted....m

Because really, what's the point of having one for defence if you won't use it to it's full abilities...

you know what they say about a "wounded animal".......
Then of course you rattle this off

You sure do a lot of laughing for not backing up your statements at all.
And you wonder why I commented on that? Because I was backing my up statements the entire ****ing time, you were just too bloody stupid to ****ing see it.





I remember last time there was a topic on guns that I read you said you'd shoot anyone on your property or something along those lines, so if you say I'll get sued without a reason for saying it I can say you'll go to jail for shooting the mailman because I have a reason.
Anyone huh? I want to see a quote that says exactly that, I'll shoot anyone on my property, not those tresspassing. As for you saying I don't have a reason for saying you got sued, I've slapped the reasoning across your face over the past three pages. You wonder why I call you slow?



Keep up the personal attacks too, they really make you look great.
It's always open season on morons.

davesdeville
03-19-05, 04:13 PM
Your sorry ass hasn't done shit.

If I legally carry a weapon and don't use it, I can't be sued. If I carry a gun and shoot someone in self defense, it's not that likely I'd get sued and even less I'd lose the case.

So ralph steps in and says it's better to take a life than to injure the person and let the legal system take it from there. I can't believe he said something this stupid...

"Because really, what's the point of having one for defence if you won't use it to it's full abilities..."
Gee.. I don't know. Maybe to DEFEND YOURSELF? So the other person can't rob you or **** you up. If the wounded animal thing comes into play and the person keeps trying or steps up attacks I'll pull the trigger again until the problem is solved.

You didn't back up shit. Ralph tried to back you up and didn't bring anything to the table himself.

I can't provide a quote on something you said several months ago, but I do remember you looking like a moron who didn't realise what a responsibility carrying a gun is.

Sinister Angel
03-19-05, 04:55 PM
Your sorry ass hasn't done shit.

If I legally carry a weapon and don't use it, I can't be sued. If I carry a gun and shoot someone in self defense, it's not that likely I'd get sued and even less I'd lose the case.

So ralph steps in and says it's better to take a life than to injure the person and let the legal system take it from there. I can't believe he said something this stupid...

"Because really, what's the point of having one for defence if you won't use it to it's full abilities..."
Gee.. I don't know. Maybe to DEFEND YOURSELF? So the other person can't rob you or **** you up. If the wounded animal thing comes into play and the person keeps trying or steps up attacks I'll pull the trigger again until the problem is solved.

You didn't back up shit. Ralph tried to back you up and didn't bring anything to the table himself.

I can't provide a quote on something you said several months ago, but I do remember you looking like a moron who didn't realise what a responsibility carrying a gun is.


Ahhh, to be naive...

CharBroiled
03-19-05, 06:57 PM
Ruger GP100 .357 revolver. Cheap loads when target practicing, mucho power when needed and its a perfect fit. While I like those high capacity rigs, the grip is too big for me, and if you cant do it in 6 rounds, you probably cant do it with 19 either.

The Ruger Mini 14 is a nice semi auto rifle too. Uses the same mag and rounds as the M16/AR15.

CharBroiled
03-19-05, 07:04 PM
It's impossible to hit anything with the gun held sideways! I've tried it.

Yuppers. And I love the shoot from the hip or shooting while running, I cant hit anything that way. Gotta love movies heh.

Kev
03-19-05, 07:16 PM
Here's another little anecdote from Kev;

Years ago when newly married to my lovely bride her parents were getting ready to move out of state. We were over at their house visiting, my father-in-law and I were in the dining room playing around with my old Marksman air pistol (shoots BB's, pellets and darts). We had a corkboard set up with a target and were shooting the darts at it. I sugested we try shooting from the hip, drawing the gun from our pants pocket.

While doing this the conversation turned to their moving, my father-in-law teased about taking my wife with them, I did a quick draw and hit the bull's eye dead on and then looked him in the eye and said; "I don't think that would be a good idea." His response was a nervous laugh and said; "Come to think of it, your right."

Dead Sled
03-20-05, 01:33 AM
hey Rolex why do you have a picture of Lumpy for your avitar? :suspect:

Rolex
03-20-05, 10:48 AM
hey Rolex why do you have a picture of Lumpy for your avitar? :suspect:

I guess you'll have to let me in on the joke, because I don't know the Lumpy you speak of. The avatar is Robert Deniro from the movie Taxi Driver.