: Movie Time = Dead Battery



Nimoch
07-26-13, 10:24 AM
Hey gang, thought I'd pop in a movie for my other kids while we were at my oldest's soccer practice and it drained the battery. Was in accessory mode and had it on for almost an hour. Tried digging through old posts to see if others had the same issues and I'm getting a "watch out for accessory mode" vibe from the old posts. Should I have the battery tested? If it's no bueno, an Optima Red Top 78 is the fan favorite around here, yes? I tried using the search function "accessory mode site:http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/" and "dead battery site:http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/" to dig up old threads.

CMNTMXR57
07-26-13, 12:00 PM
You've got a 2006. Provided it's the OEM AC Delco, it lasted 7 years. Pretty damn good for a battery as most owners get 3 - 5 years on average on a battery nowadays. So it's not an issue with the car. Just a normal wear item wearing down after ~7 years of use.

1BadCadSTS
07-26-13, 12:13 PM
78 red top here. No issues. Left in acc for over an hour before.

TimmyC
07-26-13, 01:04 PM
yeah, watching a movie for an hour is going to kill any battery. mine dies from less than that with a two yr old red top.

Nimoch
07-26-13, 01:17 PM
I popped the cover off and it said NAPA. Looks like battery #2 at the least. I'll go get it checked later today.

CMNTMXR57
07-26-13, 05:00 PM
Like I say, 3 - 5 years is average. And on a car with as many electronic gizmos/gadgets, it's probably a realistic number for this car.

Again, it's a wear item and they wear out. I'm failing to see it as a problem with the car. Look on the label. Sometimes they put date punch-outs on them. That would tell you possibly when it was changed.

wait4me
07-26-13, 05:31 PM
There is a factory update for battery life issues at the dealer. Not sure exactly what it fixed, but probably to fix your issue. It is supposed to go into a safety battery level shutdown after a set voltage to prevent your issue.

Nimoch
07-26-13, 05:36 PM
Ok thanks Wait!

wake
07-27-13, 10:16 PM
I won't touch an Optima again after the experiences I've had with the last several batteries, several because 3 of them I had were under warranty.

If you're set on an Optima then keep one more thing in mind, they only carry the 3 year replacement warranty on the ones sold today. The pro-rated coverage is gone if that tells you anything about the quality. $200+ on a battery that might last 3 years? Not worth it in my opinion.

I used to swear by them when they were U.S. made batteries, my first one lasted more than 7 years and was still good when I traded the vehicle in. The last several I had barely lasted a year in most cases.

I bought a couple of Sears Diehard AGM batteries but don't have enough time on them yet to tell you if they are a quality battery, they are a 3 year replacement warranty and 100 month pro-rated. That tells me they have some confidence in their quality. And the group 78 Diehard AGMs I picked up on sale for $145 each, not much more than a regular chain store battery.

rbzstsv
07-28-13, 08:23 AM
+1. They have gone way down hill since batteries started being produced in Mexico.

06 STS Rob
07-28-13, 11:16 AM
Guys, keep in mind that the Optima battery was originally designed for racing use, not longevity. The gell cell battery is a huge safety design in off road, boating ect. These things became a trend and like you pointed out, quality went down hill a couple of years ago.

I have purchased my last 4 truck batteries at Autozone. The gold series has lasted close to 8yrs in my little beater truck even though it sits most of the time. I've also had a gold series in my tow pig that lasted 4yrs before it crapped out on me. A quick trip back to a/z and had a replacement for about $20.

If you really want the BEST of the best in batteries Odyssey makes the BEST! Be prepared to pay for the best though. They use like 99% pure lead and they're made in the U.S. The off road guys have all pretty much moved to the dry cell units for safety.

wake
07-28-13, 12:59 PM
Guys, keep in mind that the Optima battery was originally designed for racing use, not longevity. The gell cell battery is a huge safety design in off road, boating ect. These things became a trend and like you pointed out, quality went down hill a couple of years ago.

Rob, I thought the red-top was supposed to be designed for longevity for the normal enthusiast who wanted a reliable normal use/duty battery, the yellow was for the monster stereo guys, with the blue being marine use. Back then only the red top had the 3 year replacement, 3 year pro-rate replacement. The yellow and blue if I remember correctly was strictly a 1 year replacement warranty.

I'll chime in at a later date with my Diehard AGM experience after I put some time on them, but I'm really disappointed in the quality decline over the last 15 years when I first started using them. I've probably owned 10 or so of these optimas in that time and only the first two lasted beyond the 6 year period.

The last optima I purchased was a nightmare to get replaced. It didn't meet the rated load test and just barely passed the minimum so it took several months to get replaced as I had to let it sit on a shelf in the garage and deteriorate to the point that it wouldn't accept a charge anymore. The problem was it was weak and the store managed to get it to pass the test by charging it and immediately performing the load test (it always showed low charge in the store). Have it sit in the car for a week without driving it and it was dead. The last 3 optimas that I remember had the same issue. And it ended up costing me more money in the end because I had to purchase another battery in the meantime so I could continue to drive my vehicles without fear of being stranded somewhere. That leaves me with two spare batteries on the shelf of my garage because of the optima experience.

I'm really hoping to have good luck with the Diehard. The fact that Sears has the warranty out to 100 months tells me they have confidence in that battery lasting.

http://www.sears.com/diehard-advanced-gold-agm-battery-group-size-78/p-02850778000P?prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

The only problem I see with the Diehard (not in the STS) is that it won't fit in my Corvette. The Vette originally came with a group 75 battery and I was able to get a group 78 optima in it by trimming the battery tray. The optima filled it right to the fender cover where the Diehard is about 1/2" longer so doesn't fit the Vette. It shouldn't be a problem on the STS though as there is plenty of room width wise.

06 STS Rob
07-28-13, 01:10 PM
Wake- I'm not sure the time frame, but Optima was only available at race shops, boat shops, and like you said stereo shops for years before you started finding them everywhere. I think your right on the red top but I'm pretty sure they were already "cheap" batteries by the time those came out. I totally agree with you and have no plans to buy any Optima batteries in the future...

Nimoch
07-28-13, 03:37 PM
Rob, I'll take a look at a Diehard if it comes to it. Thanks for all the info! Really bummed I can't watch a movie for a while without draining the battery, regardless of type.

CMNTMXR57
07-28-13, 11:38 PM
I've had OPtimas go bad too.

Guys, all batteries, whether they be the AC Delco you got from the factory or the OEM replacement, Die Hard, Exides, AutoZone's Duralast, Interstates, etc, are all made by two or three manufacturers. One is Johnson Controls (JCI). JCI makes the Die Hard's that we sell and the Exides for example. So at the end of the day, don't get hung up on where you buy them or the brand name on the sticker, it's all the same hunk of crap inside, even these new AGM styles. At the end of the day, it all matters on how YOU take care of them by how you run them and recharge them. All of us have different loads they put on them, driving styles, commutes, etc. which can all impact a batteries life span. So the results you get are different than what I may get. That has very little bearing on the actual brand or battery inside the car.

wake
07-29-13, 12:30 AM
I've had OPtimas go bad too.

Guys, all batteries, whether they be the AC Delco you got from the factory or the OEM replacement, Die Hard, Exides, AutoZone's Duralast, Interstates, etc, are all made by two or three manufacturers. One is Johnson Controls (JCI). JCI makes the Die Hard's that we sell and the Exides for example. So at the end of the day, don't get hung up on where you buy them or the brand name on the sticker, it's all the same hunk of crap inside, even these new AGM styles.

I understand what you're saying but here's my take.

Each name brand has their own quality and design standards that JCI or Exide, or the third manufacturer build to. I think that's where the problem lies, lowering of quality standards by a brand, optima in this case.

Walmart is a good example of different standards. They sell batteries and tires in their auto department and actually sell a very good quality battery (JCI manufactured) consistently rated one of the best out there.

On the other hand they also sell tires that are very low quality but much cheaper. I made the mistake of purchasing Goodyear tires from Walmart once and found out that Walmart was the only place I could get them serviced. Not a single Goodyear dealer is authorized to work on Goodyear tires sold at Walmart under warranty, and only Walmart carries that model of Goodyear tire, it's not available in the Goodyear stores.

I'm losing faith in the quality of any products we find today. Crappy batteries made in Mexico, replacement suspension components made in China, short to non-existent warranties, products not supported by the manufacturers after a short period of time, etc, etc, etc, especially when we pay a premium price for them.

rbzstsv
07-29-13, 11:46 AM
Walmart is the only corp. In the world that tells the companies that manufacture there products how they will be packaged, how much the wholesale cost is, and also that Walmart will buy at certain price mark up at 30%. If you the manufacturer doesn't agree with Walmart s terms they will take all your products off all of there shelves n there conglomerates shelves. Which will basically put you outta business. Lol. Sneaky sneaky.

TimmyC
07-29-13, 12:00 PM
Walmart is the only corp. In the world that tells the companies that manufacture there products how they will be packaged, how much the wholesale cost is, and also that Walmart will buy at certain price mark up at 30%. If you the manufacturer doesn't agree with Walmart s terms they will take all your products off all of there shelves n there conglomerates shelves. Which will basically put you outta business. Lol. Sneaky sneaky.

Exactly why I won't shop at Walmart and I won't let my wife go there either (she wouldn't go there anyway for the same reasons).

wake
07-30-13, 12:44 AM
Exactly why I won't shop at Walmart and I won't let my wife go there either (she wouldn't go there anyway for the same reasons).

Yeah, I go to Walmart now, fought it for many years as I tried to recruit others to do the same. Now almost all the mom and pop places are gone and Walmart is about the only game left in town for a lot of items. Same thing with Home Depot and Lowes, no more mom and pop hardware stores.

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Walmart is the only corp. In the world that tells the companies that manufacture there products how they will be packaged, how much the wholesale cost is, and also that Walmart will buy at certain price mark up at 30%. If you the manufacturer doesn't agree with Walmart s terms they will take all your products off all of there shelves n there conglomerates shelves. Which will basically put you outta business. Lol. Sneaky sneaky.

Are you sure about that with Walmart being the only one?

So when you buy a battery made by JCI, it's the same exact battery whether it is Autozone, Walmart, or Advance Auto, no differences in design or quality?

Guy.Seminerio
07-30-13, 12:47 PM
That's why walmart can't open in NYC (Brooklyn Bronx queens manhattan Staten Island). Way too many mom and pop shops would close down. Then NYC would turn into a lot of the other characterless towns out there just filled with chain store after chain store.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/business/a-respite-in-efforts-by-wal-mart-in-new-york.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

ChurchSTSV
07-30-13, 02:39 PM
I go to Wally World for material goods. I never buy my produce or meats from there. Ihave literally seen gray meat in the cold case. Pass.

I also go there for toy section. Hot Wheels all day.

CMNTMXR57
07-30-13, 02:58 PM
The core technology used in the battery is the same though.

rbzstsv
07-30-13, 06:44 PM
Im pretty sure Walmart corp is the only one that can do that and does. The last huge warehouse fire that killed all those workers was Walmarts factory. They are pretty dirty businessmen. I guess at a certain point all companies large or small have a cross road on what type on ethics they will uphold.. Walmart has chosen the road most traveled unfortunately or maybe they are paving the way. But all that being said I find myself walking thru those sliding doors quite often.

CMNTMXR57
07-30-13, 07:13 PM
I now work for one of their largest competitors, I feel no sorrow for them. :D