: Will Cadillac continue production on the 14' V8 cts-v's?



Jymboslice
07-24-13, 08:24 AM
Hey, I ordered a 14' opulent blue cts-v two weeks ago. Yesterday my salesman told me that Cadillac is stopping production on the cts-v's with a v8 in them and producing that twin turbo v6 motor instead.

Will cadillac continue to make the v8 v's? or are they pretty much done with them?

Any information on this would be awesome, I do not really want to buy a car off the lot and would rather get the one I want. Only options I got were opulent blue, satin wheels, yellow calipers, TR6060, and recaros. All the cars on the lot have a sunroof and that maple interior trim, not to big into either of those. An auto would be nice, but I'd rather have the manual because of the "fun" factor.

Thanks

Trackjunke
07-24-13, 08:29 AM
Yes, there is going to be a limited run of "old" CTS-V with supercharged V8 engine for production in 2014 ( I know because my V wagon order was accepted for production). The new engine you are referring to is for the CTS V-sport which is based off of the new CTS chassis (not a CTS-V).

IBMike
07-24-13, 08:32 AM
What he said.

shchow
07-24-13, 08:37 AM
Agreed.
Ordered 2014 V which is supposed to be delivered middle of August.
At this time, I don't think anyone knows how long Caddy will continue to take orders for 2014's.

Jymboslice
07-24-13, 08:38 AM
Yes, there is going to be a limited run of "old" CTS-V with supercharged V8 engine for production in 2014 ( I know because my V wagon order was accepted for production). The new engine you are referring to is for the CTS V-sport which is based off of the new CTS chassis (not a CTS-V).

When did your order get accepted and when did you place the order?

Thanks

Trackjunke
07-24-13, 08:46 AM
Placed the order about 2 weeks ago and accepted about 1 week ago. Production date still TBD. Talking to a few other dealer, they seem to be saying they can no longer place orders as they have no allocated cars.

Jinx
07-24-13, 11:11 AM
Never take a salesman's word about the inability for you to order the car you want. Maybe he would rather sell you something off the lot, maybe the dealership doesn't have allocation, maybe he's just not well-educated, but it's very likely that he's operating off second-hand (or third- or fourth- or fifth-hand) information and you're not getting the whole story. If he can't produce some Cadillac documentation that Cadillac is no longer accepting orders from anyone anywhere and production is closed, let him know you will exhaust every option available to you to get what you want. That starts with calling other dealers until you find one that can prove he can deliver.

That said, rumor has it that sedans and coupes are being built but wagon orders are waiting until September. Which suggests to me they plan to be building Vs at least through September.

Random84
07-24-13, 11:35 AM
Never take a salesman's word about the inability for you to order the car you want. Maybe he would rather sell you something off the lot, maybe the dealership doesn't have allocation, maybe he's just not well-educated, but it's very likely that he's operating off second-hand (or third- or fourth- or fifth-hand) information and you're not getting the whole story. If he can't produce some Cadillac documentation that Cadillac is no longer accepting orders from anyone anywhere and production is closed, let him know you will exhaust every option available to you to get what you want. That starts with calling other dealers until you find one that can prove he can deliver.

That said, rumor has it that sedans and coupes are being built but wagon orders are waiting until September. Which suggests to me they plan to be building Vs at least through September.

+1

There are countless threads on this site alone that illustrate the complete lack of competency of so many "salesmen" at dealerships. It's just the nature of the beast. Odds are, your salesman is bullshitting you 75% of the time - the only question is: is he doing it on purpose, or is he just naive?

It's sad, and I can't believe there isn't a more effective dissemination of information for how to order a $70K vehicle... but that's the way it is. If you don't get the answer you want, go somewhere else.

Hell, there are easily a half-dozen Cadillac Dealers that heavily advertise online that would gladly take your order (and probably ship the car to you for "free").

Jymboslice
07-24-13, 12:57 PM
Maybe I should go to a different dealer and ask around? I wouldn't understand why he would be making up excuses about not ordering a car but it does make sense. I was going to purchase the vehicle and even put a deposit down, he knew this. Maybe I'll just go to another dealer. I know I wouldn't be as happy in a car off the lot and for $70k I want the car I order. There are a few other Cadillac dealers around me, I'll try going to them.

Crystal Red CTS-V
07-24-13, 01:14 PM
Maybe I should go to a different dealer and ask around? I wouldn't understand why he would be making up excuses about not ordering a car but it does make sense. I was going to purchase the vehicle and even put a deposit down, he knew this. Maybe I'll just go to another dealer. I know I wouldn't be as happy in a car off the lot and for $70k I want the car I order. There are a few other Cadillac dealers around me, I'll try going to them.

Yes, didn't want the sunroof so had to order.

amunderdog
07-24-13, 01:52 PM
All I know?
With each new 2014 CTS you get THUNDERCLAP at no additional charge.
So I thought I would look up this new bonus as i had heard of the Bullhead clap and Clap in general.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thunderclap
Reads as new thrills at the dealers.

Jymboslice
07-24-13, 06:36 PM
I ended up speaking to a different dealer, one who actually called me back, and explained to me that cadillac is running into some supplier issues or something with the v8 V's. He actually told me more about it, in 5 minutes, than the dealer that I ordered the car from. I'm about to go get my deposit back and go to this new dealership. He said once this issue is over, he should be able to order me a V no problem.

So it looks like it is a supplier issues that is putting a hold on the V8 cts-v's.

btek
07-24-13, 07:56 PM
can anyone tell me which dealership (preferably in southern California) is taking orders for 2014 V wagons?

bbradyc5
07-24-13, 11:00 PM
I was informed that GM has put a hold on accepting wagon orders (by someone at GM not some dealer clown). My order was placed in first week of June and has a targeted production week of Sept15 which is supposedly the first run of wagons for 14. Apparently due to some plant re-tooling and supplier issues they are only building coupes and sedans right now and GM wanted to stop accepting wagon orders since the delivery timing would be so far out. Not sure if this is still the case or not but if you want to order a wagon, find a reliable dealer and stay on them to find out when orders are able to be placed again.

btek
07-25-13, 12:22 AM
thanks. that 's a bummer.

Jymboslice
07-25-13, 12:29 AM
This is a bummer for everyone.

DiamondWhtV
07-25-13, 12:26 PM
I was informed that GM has put a hold on accepting wagon orders (by someone at GM not some dealer clown). My order was placed in first week of June and has a targeted production week of Sept15 which is supposedly the first run of wagons for 14. Apparently due to some plant re-tooling and supplier issues they are only building coupes and sedans right now and GM wanted to stop accepting wagon orders since the delivery timing would be so far out. Not sure if this is still the case or not but if you want to order a wagon, find a reliable dealer and stay on them to find out when orders are able to be placed again.

Heard the same thing - except from my dealer so I wasn't so sure it was correct. Was told that only coupes and sedans will be built for 2014 -and that only sedan V would be available...but again I don't know how reliable that information was.

bbradyc5
07-25-13, 12:39 PM
Ok well, a bit of good news from dealer today...my V Wagon order production date has been bumped ahead now to sept.4th! V's are available in all body styles still for 14.... Just will be short run production year before change to V3 platform

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-25-13, 01:08 PM
Ok well, a bit of good news from dealer today...my V Wagon order production date has been bumped ahead now to sept.4th! V's are available in all body styles still for 14.... Just will be short run production year before change to V3 platform

Hi bbradyc5,

That is good news! Thanks for providing this information for everyone. If you ever want to check on the status of your order, if you message me your order number, I can definitely let you know!

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

btek
07-25-13, 02:10 PM
bbradyc5,

which dealer did you go through?

GM-4-LIFE
07-25-13, 02:13 PM
I got my 2013 Escalade and 2013 V Coupe from Don Holthe at Renick Cadillac in Fullerton. I live in Porter Ranch. Call Don and tell him Shawn sent you!

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-25-13, 02:48 PM
I got my 2013 Escalade and 2013 V Coupe from Don Holthe at Renick Cadillac in Fullerton. I live in Porter Ranch. Call Don and tell him Shawn sent you!

Hey GM-4-LIFE,

Thanks for sharing the dealer you work with. I hope you are enjoying your Escalade and V Coupe still! Both are awesome vehicles. I can't wait for the day when I own a Cadillac.

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

btek
07-25-13, 02:57 PM
Gm-4-Life,
what a small world. I too live in Porter Ranch! tried to PM you but my account says that I cant send PMs.... weird.

I've been talking to Don for the last couple of weeks. He has no info on the availability of wagons for 2014. i'm so bummed.

bbradyc5
07-25-13, 05:22 PM
bbradyc5,

which dealer did you go through?

Don Gooley Cadillac in St Claire Shores, MI. Katie Weber is their Internet Sales Manager, she'll give you the facts you need.

btek
07-26-13, 11:23 AM
Don Gooley Cadillac in St Claire Shores, MI. Katie Weber is their Internet Sales Manager, she'll give you the facts you need.

Thanks for the info. I'll give Katie a call.

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-26-13, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the info. I'll give Katie a call.

Hey btek,

I am glad bbradyc5 was able to offer a dealer to give you information. Please let me know if there is anything I can help answer for you! I can be contacted via private message.

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

GM-4-LIFE
07-26-13, 02:18 PM
Gm-4-Life,
what a small world. I too live in Porter Ranch! tried to PM you but my account says that I cant send PMs.... weird.

I've been talking to Don for the last couple of weeks. He has no info on the availability of wagons for 2014. i'm so bummed.

Why not have Don locate you a 2013 V? They are out there!

I was gonna order a 2014 V and glad I didn't. It would have taken a very long time! Don was able to locate me a 2013 V Coupe very close to him and I was in and out with the V in no time!

sunsalem
07-26-13, 03:09 PM
If there is to be a 2014 V, where are the photos? The 2014 CTS has a new body style.

DiamondWhtV
07-26-13, 03:33 PM
If there is to be a 2014 V, where are the photos? The 2014 CTS has a new body style.

Already said before - The 2014 V-Series will be built on the old V2 Platform. The new CTS and CTS V-Sport will be built on the new platform.

Jinx
07-27-13, 12:18 AM
http://www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html

Right there on Cadillac's website, 2014 CTS-V Sedan, with photos and everything, just like the 2013 except for exterior color changes.

sunsalem
07-27-13, 02:50 AM
Already said before - The 2014 V-Series will be built on the old V2 Platform. The new CTS and CTS V-Sport will be built on the new platform.This doesn't bode well for the future of the V.

Jinx
07-27-13, 03:33 AM
How do you figure?

shchow
07-27-13, 07:03 AM
This doesn't bode well for the future of the V.

???
Not sure I understand your logic...

spearfish25
07-27-13, 07:58 AM
My dealer in naples has 3 2013s sitting on the lot waiting for a home. One red wagon, a black sedan and an opulent blue sedan with titanium recaros.

Snotty Boom Body
07-27-13, 10:30 AM
Hey GM-4-LIFE,

Both are awesome vehicles. I can't wait for the day when I own a Cadillac.

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

How can you be a Cadillac customer care specialist and not actually drive a V ?
You better tell Caddy to give you a company V so you can experience all the issues people are complaining about first hand and know where they're coming from.
And then when your done with work you can drive one of the most awesome cars around doing your personal business and having a blast.

Just tell them SBB said to give you a car, your color choice of course. :)

.

Jymboslice
07-27-13, 02:54 PM
I think my dealer here in MI told me about that opulent blue one. Your dealer never called him back apparently.

I just want my dealer to order the car I want. I guess that's too much to ask for... even with a deposit and a nice down payment.

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-29-13, 08:36 AM
How can you be a Cadillac customer care specialist and not actually drive a V ?
You better tell Caddy to give you a company V so you can experience all the issues people are complaining about first hand and know where they're coming from.
And then when your done with work you can drive one of the most awesome cars around doing your personal business and having a blast.

Just tell them SBB said to give you a car, your color choice of course. :)

.

Hey SBB,

I totally agree with you! I would love to be able to drive a Cadillac, especially a V series! I understand how it could help me connect more with my customers too. I know I would enjoy driving one of the most awesome cars around just like you said :)

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

Jymboslice
08-02-13, 03:35 AM
Went to a different dealer today and they said they could order me the car no problem.

If all goes as planned, I'll have the V in about 4-6 weeks. Kinda excited

Cadillac Cust Svc
08-02-13, 12:59 PM
Went to a different dealer today and they said they could order me the car no problem.

If all goes as planned, I'll have the V in about 4-6 weeks. Kinda excited

Hello Jymboslice,

That is exciting! I am glad you were able to find a dealer to order your vehicle through. The V is a great series and I am sure you are going to love it. Post some pictures once you get your Caddy in your hands!

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

texasnoiz
08-04-13, 06:55 AM
Went to a different dealer today and they said they could order me the car no problem.

If all goes as planned, I'll have the V in about 4-6 weeks. Kinda excited

what city/dealer?

Jymboslice
08-14-13, 05:30 PM
what city/dealer?
Suburban cadillac in Troy.

They actually called me today and told me that Cadillac was NOT making anymore V sedans. So i'm in the same boat as before.

Great.

bbradyc5
08-14-13, 08:21 PM
Suburban cadillac in Troy.

They actually called me today and told me that Cadillac was NOT making anymore V sedans. So i'm in the same boat as before.

Great.

There was rumor that the short run for '14 V's was going to be limited to 750 sedans but not sure if they would have already made that many.

neuronbob
08-14-13, 09:41 PM
Suburban cadillac in Troy.

They actually called me today and told me that Cadillac was NOT making anymore V sedans. So i'm in the same boat as before.

Great.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=44122&endYear=2014&listingType=new&engineCode=8CLDR&listingTypes=new&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&mmt=%5BCAD%5BCTS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=CTS&sortBy=distanceASC&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=CAD&startYear=2014&engineCodes=8CLDR&extColorsSimple=BLUE&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=SEDAN&listingId=352186641&listingIndex=1&Log=0

Shazam! You're welcome, LOL! I can't tell from the description whether this one has the Ultraview. I assume it does, but if everything else matches, hopefully it's not a deal breaker.

Jymboslice
08-14-13, 11:15 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=44122&endYear=2014&listingType=new&engineCode=8CLDR&listingTypes=new&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&mmt=%5BCAD%5BCTS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=CTS&sortBy=distanceASC&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=CAD&startYear=2014&engineCodes=8CLDR&extColorsSimple=BLUE&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=SEDAN&listingId=352186641&listingIndex=1&Log=0

Shazam! You're welcome, LOL! I can't tell from the description whether this one has the Ultraview. I assume it does, but if everything else matches, hopefully it's not a deal breaker.

I already looked at that one, it's an auto and i want a manual. I think i'm just going to wait for the gen 3 V's to come out.

neuronbob
08-14-13, 11:28 PM
The ad describes it as a manual, but I wouldn't put it beyond some dealers to drum up views by mis-identifying. You've got a long wait for the V3, good sources are already saying it's a two-year wait (ie MY 2016, release in CY 2015).

bbradyc5
08-15-13, 03:10 PM
I already looked at that one, it's an auto and i want a manual. I think i'm just going to wait for the gen 3 V's to come out.

Did you check with any other local dealers to make sure this was truly the case? There have been more than one person on here claiming dealer wouldn't/couldn't order '14 V's. Not sure if you're local to MI but my '14 order is with Kate Weber thru Gooley in St Clair Shores. Can also check with Jay Lane from Sewell down in Dallas as they have '14's in stock and tons on order and I am sure one would fit your bill.

Car dude V
08-15-13, 06:41 PM
I beleive the new 3rd gen V8 V's will be out by model year 15 or 16 .
Remember guys the V2 has 556Hp , so anything they bring out has to have more to compete with E63 and M5 etc.
Before they release the V3 , the C7 Hi-Po model has to get that motor first. From all the reports I have read it will be the new LT1 with a supercharger. Once they release that in the new C7 , than they can put in their other cars. I just cant see them putting their all new blown LT1 in the caddy first being that the C7 is always first in line for performance. What do you guys think ?

Trapspeed
08-15-13, 06:56 PM
I beleive the new 3rd gen V8 V's will be out by model year 15 or 16 .
Remember guys the V2 has 556Hp , so anything they bring out has to have more to compete with E63 and M5 etc.
Before they release the V3 , the C7 Hi-Po model has to get that motor first. From all the reports I have read it will be the new LT1 with a supercharger. Once they release that in the new C7 , than they can put in their other cars. I just cant see them putting their all new blown LT1 in the caddy first being that the C7 is always first in line for performance. What do you guys think ?

I'm guessing simultaneous release in C7 and V3.

Jinx
08-16-13, 03:20 AM
IIRC V2 and ZR1 debuted at the same show, but V took months longer to hit the street.

And V3 has to wait for both ATSV and CTS VSport to take their turns in front of the press.

So it's gonna be a while before anybody puts one in their garage.

As for the 2014 V, until two area dealers and two online dealers all say the same thing about the ordering window for a car, don't believe it.

Jymboslice
08-16-13, 05:27 PM
The ad describes it as a manual, but I wouldn't put it beyond some dealers to drum up views by mis-identifying. You've got a long wait for the V3, good sources are already saying it's a two-year wait (ie MY 2016, release in CY 2015).

2 years is fine with me, I'd wait that long in order to get exactly what I want. I really do not want to pay $70k+ for a car that's not exactly what I want. and I just called on that V, it is an automatic. Fully loaded with the sunroof, wood trim, and auto. Three expensive options that I do not want.



I asked the Texas dealer if they could order me one and they said they could get me one no problem. So i dont know WTF is going on with these dealers by me.

shchow
08-17-13, 04:30 PM
I ordered my 2014 in June and I got it 1st week in August.

bbradyc5
08-18-13, 11:04 AM
2 years is fine with me, I'd wait that long in order to get exactly what I want. I really do not want to pay $70k+ for a car that's not exactly what I want. and I just called on that V, it is an automatic. Fully loaded with the sunroof, wood trim, and auto. Three expensive options that I do not want.



I asked the Texas dealer if they could order me one and they said they could get me one no problem. So i dont know WTF is going on with these dealers by me.

Gen3 V that will be a 2016 MY will be quite a bit more expensive then current V2 platform so if you wait, I would expect to pay $15-$20k more than current.

As for dealers in your area, similar to many others experiences......clueless

RGaret
08-18-13, 01:51 PM
Gen3 V that will be a 2016 MY will be quite a bit more expensive then current V2 platform so if you wait, I would expect to pay $15-$20k more than current.

As for dealers in your area, similar to many others experiences......clueless

I think there will be a significant price increase for the V3 as well, but $20k doesn't seem reasonable to me. That would put the V3 at $90k. M5 and E63 territory. If Cadillac can sell the car at that price, then kudos to them. Personally, I'm not willing to pay that much.

Thunder Gray STS
08-18-13, 07:34 PM
I think there will be a significant price increase for the V3 as well, but $20k doesn't seem reasonable to me. That would put the V3 at $90k. M5 and E63 territory. If Cadillac can sell the car at that price, then kudos to them. Personally, I'm not willing to pay that much.

A VSport is 70k, so a real V will probably be around 85 to 90.

RGaret
08-18-13, 08:05 PM
A VSport is 70k, so a real V will probably be around 85 to 90.

Sounds about right. For that money, GM can keep it. I've had my fun, that's just not worth it to me.

jstpls
09-12-13, 02:50 PM
I had ordered a 2014 CTS-V Coupe through Enterprise Fleet at the end of August and received a call today that they had just been notified by their GM rep that Cadillac had stopped production on the CTS-V. They are trying to find a suitable replacement from dealer stock.

khoeysr
09-13-13, 11:34 AM
I have sold my V coupe and am awaiting my 2014 Corvette Stingray.

I can't say that my concern over the future of the V is the reason. I have loved my Vs but just got my head turned by a Vette. Now that I am old enough (59) to fit the Vette demographic (GM is real sensitive about this joke) and can afford one I am getting the Vette that I have wanted since I was about 8 and first saw one.

But all this Vsport stuff IMO is creating confusion and will ultimately reduce the exclusivity of the true V. I know that we don't know what the V3 will look like or be powered. It will be interesting to see.

youknooow
09-13-13, 12:14 PM
Sounds about right. For that money, GM can keep it. I've had my fun, that's just not worth it to me.

How can you judge a car that for the public does not exist yet? Technology and performance is not cheap - how do you expect the CTS-V3 to be able to compete w/o a price increase? People will pay 85-90-100K+ if GM delivers! The STS-V was stickered at 80K and XLR-V at 100K in late 05...so a 90-95K V3 is plausible IMO.

Xaqtly
09-13-13, 12:57 PM
How did the V2 compete at the $62k price point then? At the time (2008) it was going against the E60 M5, and it was every bit as advanced as the E60, maybe even moreso. And the M5 was still $90k+. Don't forget, a lot of this good tech we're expecting in the V3 already exists in other GM cars. This is parts bin stuff, not new tech created from scratch just for the V. It's not going to be as expensive as you think to implement it.

There's no way they can sell the V at the $90k price point. Because what's the incentive to buy the V over the M5 at that point? And also, it's just not necessary.

neuronbob
09-13-13, 02:14 PM
How did the V2 compete at the $62k price point then? At the time (2008) it was going against the E60 M5, and it was every bit as advanced as the E60, maybe even moreso. And the M5 was still $90k+. Don't forget, a lot of this good tech we're expecting in the V3 already exists in other GM cars. This is parts bin stuff, not new tech created from scratch just for the V. It's not going to be as expensive as you think to implement it.

There's no way they can sell the V at the $90k price point. Because what's the incentive to buy the V over the M5 at that point? And also, it's just not necessary.

I agree with you. One of the V's reasons for being IMHO is "bang for the buck" compared to BMW. The performance and luxury for the buck certain got my attention and won my dollars, twice. I'm willing to put up with groaning diffs and a little loose carpet while the other $20-30k I could have spent is invested in my retirement/son's education.

RGaret
09-13-13, 02:17 PM
How can you judge a car that for the public does not exist yet? Technology and performance is not cheap - how do you expect the CTS-V3 to be able to compete w/o a price increase? People will pay 85-90-100K+ if GM delivers! The STS-V was stickered at 80K and XLR-V at 100K in late 05...so a 90-95K V3 is plausible IMO.

The new S class Benz is actually cheaper than the outgoing model, $2k less. I remember the XLR V, I saw one in a dealership for $75k, $25k discounted. I am not saying GM can't raise prices, but they need to prove that they can deliver on build quality consistently for a while first. Remember when Lexus can out back in 89? They competed on quality and price for a number of years before they got really expensive. I'm sorry, but if a CTS V and and an M5 cost the same, I'll get an M5. BMW may not be any more reliable than GM, but their build quality is much better.

thebigjimsho
09-14-13, 04:04 PM
And Cadillac is betting they have. The ATS is pretty damn good at almost the prices of the 3 series...

youknooow
09-18-13, 02:41 PM
How did the V2 compete at the $62k price point then? At the time (2008) it was going against the E60 M5, and it was every bit as advanced as the E60, maybe even moreso. And the M5 was still $90k+. Don't forget, a lot of this good tech we're expecting in the V3 already exists in other GM cars. This is parts bin stuff, not new tech created from scratch just for the V. It's not going to be as expensive as you think to implement it.

There's no way they can sell the V at the $90k price point. Because what's the incentive to buy the V over the M5 at that point? And also, it's just not necessary.

You cannot ignore the features that the V2 lacks or the cost of the technology(pushrod, traditional auto) used to keep it at a certain price point.

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I agree with you. One of the V's reasons for being IMHO is "bang for the buck" compared to BMW. The performance and luxury for the buck certain got my attention and won my dollars, twice. I'm willing to put up with groaning diffs and a little loose carpet while the other $20-30k I could have spent is invested in my retirement/son's education.

I agree with the bang for your buck but again it is not without compromise - and I acknowledge it is clear this compromise was balanced successfully and executed well. With that said, it looks like GM is trying to get away from compromise though.

Car dude V
09-18-13, 03:09 PM
And Cadillac is betting they have. The ATS is pretty damn good at almost the prices of the 3 series...

I love the ATS and think GM did a great job except for the slushy 6 Speed auto when their compititiors have either a 7 or 8 speed.
Just look at the accelaration numbers between a 4 door 335 and 3.6 ATS.
While the ATS has less torque it beats the BMW in HP by about 20 hp. Its even lighter than the 3 series but the 335 still manages to beat the ATS in 0-60 and 1-4 mile times.
Only thing that comes to mind is the auto tranny , the same auto GM has used for many many years now.