: Cadillac to launch a larger sedan than the XTS



gohawks63
07-20-13, 09:34 AM
Read this article this morning and thought I would share.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130719/BUSINESS0101/307190123/general-motors-cadillac-xts-akerson

richardbbarger
07-20-13, 11:08 AM
Read this article this morning and thought I would share.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130719/BUSINESS0101/307190123/general-motors-cadillac-xts-akerson

Interesting to see this in print, but not a surprise, gohawks, to anyone who has been following the growing body of conversation and reports of Cadillac's products in development.

Thanks for sharing.

1BadCadSTS
07-20-13, 12:28 PM
The XTS was never supposed to be a long term car. Just a filler between the dts/sts and the next sedan.

gohawks63
07-20-13, 01:44 PM
The XTS was never supposed to be a long term car. Just a filler between the dts/sts and the next sedan.

That was my understanding too, but this article seems to imply the XTS might continue.

carter's_sts
07-20-13, 03:05 PM
All depends on sales numbers no doubt. Boy I'm good at stating the obvious. :D

pissedoffwookiee
07-24-13, 04:42 PM
That was my understanding too, but this article seems to imply the XTS might continue.

it will probably live for this product cycle only, just to pay for itself or for livery/rental use, but with the advent of the new CTS the XTS doesn't make much sense anymore here's why:

'14 XTS V-Sport Platinum- $70,020 With Destination

overall Length - 202"

Head Room - 39"F 37.8"R
Leg Room - 42.1"F 40"R
Shoulder Room - 57.87"F 56.34"R
Hip Room - 55.12"F 54.29"R

'14 CTS V-Sport Premium - $69,995 With Destination

overall Length - 195.5"

Head Room - 39.2"F 37.5"R
Leg Room - 42.6"F 35.4"R
Shoulder Room - 56.9"F 54.8"R
Hip Room - 53.8"F 53.3"R

overall the new CTS is 7" shorter, but most of that is lost in rear leg room, other than that the cabin size is virtually the same (CTS a little larger for front row, a little smaller for back row) when this car arrives it will cannibalize XTS sales just like ATS is doing to current CTS. so replacing the XTS with a larger vehicle giving CTS it's own space seems like a logical move.

JSenecal
07-25-13, 02:52 AM
Then there are people like me who prefer front wheel drive cars and want the rear seat and trunk space lost in the CTS. Now if only the XTS had comfortable seats I'd probably be driving one now...

pissedoffwookiee
07-25-13, 03:50 PM
Then there are people like me who prefer front wheel drive cars and want the rear seat and trunk space lost in the CTS. Now if only the XTS had comfortable seats I'd probably be driving one now...

a mean person would say the car for you is a buick then:)......but i'm not a mean person and all i can say is i understand, it's not fun when you get going in one direction and something out of your control (in this case a vehicle model) pivots on you and goes another direction. The ATS has a similar situation, it too is smaller in the rear than the CTS and yet it's devouring the CTS right now, and it seems Cadillac is learning from this (they are in the business of selling more after all) and it seems to me the situation is likely to repeat itself when New CTS arrives vis-a-vis XTS

Gomaz
07-26-13, 05:41 PM
I can't wait til the new LTS comes out , a true replacement to the DTS.

pissedoffwookiee
07-26-13, 11:16 PM
I can't wait til the new LTS comes out , a true replacement to the DTS.

if LTS is what they call it I don't think Cadillac wants it to be a replacement for the DTS but rather a competitor to and therefore conquest purchasing choice from the 7 series and s-class. DTS was nice, but i think Cadillac is locked into the Germans right now and beating them at their own game.

JSenecal
07-27-13, 02:41 AM
a mean person would say the car for you is a buick then:)......but i'm not a mean person and all i can say is i understand, it's not fun when you get going in one direction and something out of your control (in this case a vehicle model) pivots on you and goes another direction. The ATS has a similar situation, it too is smaller in the rear than the CTS and yet it's devouring the CTS right now, and it seems Cadillac is learning from this (they are in the business of selling more after all) and it seems to me the situation is likely to repeat itself when New CTS arrives vis-a-vis XTS

I was looking at Buick Lacrosse as well, but found the seat even more uncomfortable than the Caddy, and the trunk was much too small to replace the 20 cu ft trunk I have now (and use most of on a regular basis). Mostly I'm just looking for a replacement for my aging Olds 98, and the XTS is the closest thing I've seen so far (high tech big car).

As for preferring front wheel drive, my previous car was rear wheel drive. Didn't enjoy it at all when it fishtailed while accelerating on a short highway onramp. But that only happened once. I just don't drive hard enough to notice the difference between front wheel or rear wheel drive. But when traction is poor and wheels are skidding, I prefer that the car still is tending to go in the direction the wheels are pointing.

carter's_sts
07-27-13, 03:46 PM
AWD based on a RWD platform is the best if you have to drive in snow. Otherwise RWD all the way. Steering and performance are so much better than FWD.

richardbbarger
07-27-13, 04:32 PM
Then there are people like me who prefer front wheel drive cars and want the rear seat and trunk space lost in the CTS. Now if only the XTS had comfortable seats I'd probably be driving one now...

We fit this category, as well, although I've driven two XTS's extensively, with passengers, and have no problem with the seats.

About 20 times a year, we take other couples with us to events in a city two-plus-hours away.

That round trip is too far/long to have full-size adults :-) crammed into a too-cramped back seat, and it's the reason we kept our far-too-high-mileage STS until we could order an XTS Vsport. And no, we don't like the form factor of the modified trucks manufacturers have come to call SUVs. We strongly prefer a sedan.

Rather than simply modeling their lineup after European cars, Cadillac should spend a bit more time determining the buying preferences and driving needs of long-time GM customers.

amunderdog
07-27-13, 05:11 PM
It doesn't help that GM is notorious for it's legendary cock ups. AND we're pretty sure they just made another one.

Problem is GM has confirmed it will not be pursuing any of its concepts for the next-gen flagship.

Instead it will be concocting a super sedan that will use a rear-drive chassis "very loosely" based on the CTS.
Can you tell me something any LESS appealing than that?

http://www.autospies.com/news/Did-General-Motors-JUST-Make-The-BIGGEST-Mistake-For-Cadillac-s-Future-LARGE-Luxury-Sedan-77279/

jock82
07-27-13, 08:07 PM
Well, this thing certainly is not replacement for anything. I have driven Cadillacs since 1970 and the dealer let me keep one of these things overnight and I was not impressed. It might be ok for a Buick, but not for a Cadillac. i have seen several on the road and, I know, appearance is subjective, but I still think this thing looks like anything but a Cadillac.

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-27-13, 10:14 PM
Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your input. I will be sure to document your statements and pass them along. We definitely value our consumer’s opinions at Cadillac. Thank you very much for taking the time to post!

Gregory W.
Cadillac Customer Care

gohawks63
07-28-13, 04:03 PM
We fit this category, as well, although I've driven two XTS's extensively, with passengers, and have no problem with the seats.

About 20 times a year, we take other couples with us to events in a city two-plus-hours away.

That round trip is too far/long to have full-size adults :-) crammed into a too-cramped back seat, and it's the reason we kept our far-too-high-mileage STS until we could order an XTS Vsport. And no, we don't like the form factor of the modified trucks manufacturers have come to call SUVs. We strongly prefer a sedan.

Rather than simply modeling their lineup after European cars, Cadillac should spend a bit more time determining the buying preferences and driving needs of long-time GM customers.

I mean no disrespect with what I'm about to say. The problem is that "long-time GM customers" left the brand a long time ago because of the cars they were building. The people who desire the land yachts of the past are a minority.

I too have fond memories of some of the classic Caddys of the past. My parents had a gorgeous '77 Coupe de'Ville that I loved. Drove it a ton in my late teens and early twenties. From there they moved on to a '91 Brougham d'Elegance. Beautiful car, but had the driving dynamics of an ocean liner. The steering had the firmness of overcooked pasta.

Those days are gone and you will find that no manufacturers will produce a car like that any more because in short very few people want those kinds of cars. Even Lincoln put to rest the old Crown Vics and the venerable Town Car. The XTS (in my view) is a compromise. Trying to offer the big car feel and presence of the old Caddys while also trying to provide some semblance of driving dynamics.

richardbbarger
07-28-13, 08:46 PM
I mean no disrespect with what I'm about to say. The problem is that "long-time GM customers" left the brand a long time ago because of the cars they were building. The people who desire the land yachts of the past are a minority.

I too have fond memories of some of the classic Caddys of the past. My parents had a gorgeous '77 Coupe de'Ville that I loved. Drove it a ton in my late teens and early twenties. From there they moved on to a '91 Brougham d'Elegance. Beautiful car, but had the driving dynamics of an ocean liner. The steering had the firmness of overcooked pasta.

Those days are gone and you will find that no manufacturers will produce a car like that any more because in short very few people want those kinds of cars. Even Lincoln put to rest the old Crown Vics and the venerable Town Car. The XTS (in my view) is a compromise. Trying to offer the big car feel and presence of the old Caddys while also trying to provide some semblance of driving dynamics.

No disrespect taken, Gohawks. We aren't interested in the land yachts of old, either.

But we certainly need a sedan with sufficient leg room to take adult passengers on an extended trip in a moderate degree of comfort -- unlike the CTS or the ATS (we have one of those, and love it, but would never subject adults to its back seat for more than a short drive).

Actually, for us, the XTS is just about right.

Driving/travel distances in much of the U.S. are far greater than in most of Europe or Japan, for instance, without our having the abundant rail transportation that many folks use for longer trips in those countries.

By modeling U.S. auto characteristics on cars designed, in large part, in other countries that have a completely different set of driving circumstances than exist in much of this continent, manufacturers are being shortsighted and seem to be ignoring the needs and preferences of a significant part of their customer universe.

DTS man33
07-30-13, 12:26 PM
It doesn't help that GM is notorious for it's legendary cock ups. AND we're pretty sure they just made another one.

Problem is GM has confirmed it will not be pursuing any of its concepts for the next-gen flagship.

Instead it will be concocting a super sedan that will use a rear-drive chassis "very loosely" based on the CTS.
Can you tell me something any LESS appealing than that?

http://www.autospies.com/news/Did-General-Motors-JUST-Make-The-BIGGEST-Mistake-For-Cadillac-s-Future-LARGE-Luxury-Sedan-77279/

We have been hearing that the new Omega platform would be based on the new Alpha platform but stretched out. This is not news and furthermore it will not hurt the new flagship one bit. This car has been in the works for awhile. The car that they were thinking of making was going to be a super halo flagship car that would have started in at over $100K. That concept was nixed since there was not big enogh of a difference from the LTS or whatever its going to be called and it. I do not think that Cadillac/GM spent millions of dollars to make the XTS a one time model. When the new flagship does come out that car needs to be on its own and not being transferd into limos and hurst's. That would defeat the purpose of the new flagship altogether. The XTS will live on but just change platforms to the new Omega just on a smaller wheelbase then the new flagship.

Buick will be getting a new RWD flagship that will most likely ride on the new Omega platform even though they will not call it that. I am seeing a platform sharing situation by 2016 or 17 that will likely be Lacrosse/XTS and the larger Electra/LTS. I did get some inside info and I think the info can be trusted for the most part. I kinda found this all out by chance of meeting a high up rep at Buick.

Gomaz
08-01-13, 04:43 PM
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=lts+name&um=1&sa=N&biw=1202&bih=556&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=7NspA05IMDu6qM:&imgrefurl=http://www.autoviva.com/news/cadillac_trademarks_lts_name_possibly_for_future_f/4401&docid=aIbpA_rDPJdG0M&imgurl=http://www.autoviva.com/img/photos/274/cadillac_trademarks_lts_name_possibly_for_future_f lagship_large_100274.jpg&w=626&h=348&ei=Brr6UcH2FNDZkgXQuICgCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=125&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=236&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:79&tx=101&ty=54

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=cadillac+lts&um=1&hl=en&biw=1202&bih=556&tbm=isch&tbnid=SN4mbPQgYrD5IM:&imgrefurl=http://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/646389-cadillac-flagship-gets-the-green-light-will-take-styling-cues-from-ciel-concept.html&docid=4azeBzgVBQcDuM&imgurl=http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/09/Cadillac-Ciel-sedan-rendering-front-three-quarter-1024x640.jpg&w=1024&h=640&ei=Orr6UbGXNImSkQWPnIHoAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=110&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=216&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:92&tx=142&ty=73

I hope it looks like this one, I have been hoping they come out with a large car to match up to the s class or bmw 7s, im sure i'll trade in my dts but not for something smaller with no v8

gohawks63
08-02-13, 12:51 AM
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=lts+name&um=1&sa=N&biw=1202&bih=556&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=7NspA05IMDu6qM:&imgrefurl=http://www.autoviva.com/news/cadillac_trademarks_lts_name_possibly_for_future_f/4401&docid=aIbpA_rDPJdG0M&imgurl=http://www.autoviva.com/img/photos/274/cadillac_trademarks_lts_name_possibly_for_future_f lagship_large_100274.jpg&w=626&h=348&ei=Brr6UcH2FNDZkgXQuICgCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=125&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=236&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:79&tx=101&ty=54

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=cadillac+lts&um=1&hl=en&biw=1202&bih=556&tbm=isch&tbnid=SN4mbPQgYrD5IM:&imgrefurl=http://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/646389-cadillac-flagship-gets-the-green-light-will-take-styling-cues-from-ciel-concept.html&docid=4azeBzgVBQcDuM&imgurl=http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/09/Cadillac-Ciel-sedan-rendering-front-three-quarter-1024x640.jpg&w=1024&h=640&ei=Orr6UbGXNImSkQWPnIHoAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=110&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=216&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:92&tx=142&ty=73

I hope it looks like this one, I have been hoping they come out with a large car to match up to the s class or bmw 7s, im sure i'll trade in my dts but not for something smaller with no v8

I like it.