: Newbie looking to buy used DTS



findawg78
07-07-13, 05:01 AM
Hello~
New to the forum. The past 6 months Ive been looking at the 00-05 deville for my budget but have read a lot of mechanical nightmares. The more and more I see and read the more I like the body lines and gauges of the 06-07ish DTS. It appears there are 3 variants plus a performance option. Any advise on which one or "beware of's" are welcome. The car ads I have been watching dont usually give details on what model, whats the best way to identify whats what?

Thanks...Mike

findawg78
07-07-13, 05:14 AM
Hi, Mike here. Looking to buy a used DTS and found the forum doing some home work. Lots of info here. Any advise or tips welcome. Thanks.

bigtone
07-07-13, 07:56 AM
I recently bought an 06 DTS. When I looked around I avoided the Performance models with the electronic suspension due to the high cost of strut replacement. I ended up buying a LUX 3, which has most all of the luxury options like the rainsense wipers, intellibeam, and seat messagers. Many 06's around now have the clunk from the front strut mounts(mine does) and may need HID bulb replacement (not quite as cheap and easy as you would think). I am very happy with the car that I bought.
On other thing, I have owned a few 01-05 Devilles, they are great cars, but I do think the 06 up DTS models do not have some of the problems the earlier ones had. Namely headgaskets (actually 05 up had this straightened out) and pop and drop windows. Many DTS's out there, just shop around.

Submariner409
07-07-13, 09:36 AM
Welcome !! Do you want a real DTS (Deville Touring Sedan) or the 2005 and later knockoff "DTS" - which is NOT a Deville ? (See your second post - merged from the Lounge)

As with any used car decision, a thorough inspection and driving test is mandatory. Read the entire Cadillac Technical Archive way up ^^^ in the top black bar. Read the sticky posts at the top of each forum of interest: The reason they're stuck there is because they contain important info for the cars in that forum - but nobody reads them anyway. Read the stickys at the top of the Engines, Northstar Performance forum - these are very important info. Make sure the car comes with all the keys and key fobs (transmitters). A real Deville comes with 2 black keys, one gray (valet) key and 2 fobs, numbered 1 and 2. They are part of the car. Make sure you get an owner's manual and the OnStar manual (if equipped)(if converted to digital).

If you run the VIN through the RPO converter in www.compnine.com (http://www.compnine.com) that will give you every option built into THAT car. The RPO sticker is under the spare tire cover. Original tire size and speed rating (that's also the speed limiter setting) are on the driver's door sticker.

I merged your identical post from the Lounge: You'll get more feedback in this forum. Please do not double-post essentially identical questions. Thanks.

bigsahad
07-07-13, 10:45 AM
Hey my man all I can say I have a 2006 dts performance its amazing car red with all bell and whistles...Only 57000 miles on it with any of these cars see if u can get a extended warranty gmpp its great to have. It helped me with my purchase to know I was covered for another 50,000 miles. All repairs done at crown Cadillac Dealer. So far nothing major except wheel hubs and water pump paid 100.00 deductible ..

Superjim
07-07-13, 11:44 AM
I have a 2006 Performance Sedan that I bought new...
It now has a little over 130,000 miles on it has given very little trouble.

I love it... :)

Jim

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One quick way to tell the Performance Model from the LUX versions is the VIN number...

The 8th digit on the LUX models will be a "Y"... on the Performance models it will be a "9"...

amunderdog
07-07-13, 11:55 AM
What does a DTS match up with parts wise?
I see it was left all alone.

2000–2005 115.3 in Cadillac DeVille GM K platform
1998–2004 112.2 in Cadillac Seville GM K platform
2006–2011 115.6 in Cadillac DTS GM K platform

The old DeVille matched the other models mechanically and were mostly built of off the shelf GM parts.
That makes finding parts easier and keeps the price down.

The not often mentioned - DeVille DHS (DeVille High Luxury),
2000-2001 then 2002 - 2005
which added several cabin comfort options to include power rear window sunshade and heated/massaging rear seats.

ronm01
07-08-13, 12:49 AM
I have a "real" DTS. The title says so, Cadillac manufactured it as a DTS, it's what I looked for and found when looking for a DTS. It's not a knock-off of anything, it's a DTS... clear and simple. It's not a Deville, that's for sure, but I wasn't looking for a Deville. Research tells me that the Devilles and Sevilles were replaced with and consolidated into the DTS. So, for the sake of continuing the thread, I bought a 2010 DTS in April of this year. I got what I paid for and I love it! If you want a Deville in one of its permutations, I hope you are happy with your purchase.

fps_dean
07-08-13, 12:57 AM
My girlfriend drives a 05 Deville. It's nearing 100k and there have been a few minor issues, but that's about it. We have had two window regulars fails which seems to be a common problem ($500+ at a dealer, $200 at our local indy shop), a short in window wiring which cost maybe $40, a blown fuse (pocket change), and a brake fluid sensor (about $140 at a local indy shop). We have had the car for 30k, and have not replaced the brakes yet and they have at least half left on both sides, which is really good for a newer vehicle and a larger vehicle. The car also gets about 26mpg doing hilly highway driving, and can easily hit 30mpg if it's somewhat flat, and do even better in cruise control. Hers is not a DTS model, it is a base model with a 275 hp engine, which is geared for touring and not performance. It also runs o n 87 octane.

My advice would be to find a great indy shop -- they will save you a fortune on repairs and maintenance. I have two I use regularly, and a few more I trust as well.

I also should say I like the way my girlfriend's Deville rides much better than my STS -- I simply don't get to drive fast enough without going to jail to appreciate where the STS suspension is better, the Deville's suspension is not nearly as floaty and boat-like as older models, but is softer and absorbs all the terrible Massachusetts roads. I'm not a fan of FWD vehicles at all, but I would tolerate it for the vehicles suspension.

I just bought a house on a hill myself and the RWD STS is not the best vehicle to get up the hill in the winter, plus I would appreciate the larger trunk space so I'm looking at a black '07 DTS currently.

MoistCabbage
07-08-13, 01:32 AM
Off topic, but Dean, your window regulators can be fixed permanently, for the cost of a cotter pin, and some epoxy. Do a search, or ask in the FWD Deville/Fleetwood forums. The brake fluid level sensor should also be much cheaper to replace.

StuJac
07-08-13, 09:27 AM
I have a "real" DTS. The title says so, Cadillac manufactured it as a DTS, it's what I looked for and found when looking for a DTS. It's not a knock-off of anything, it's a DTS... clear and simple. It's not a Deville, that's for sure, but I wasn't looking for a Deville. Research tells me that the Devilles and Sevilles were replaced with and consolidated into the DTS. So, for the sake of continuing the thread, I bought a real 2010 DTS in April of this year. I got what I paid for and I love it! If you want a Deville in one of its permutations, I hope you are happy with your purchase.

Some in this group attach a special significance to the "Performance" model which has slightly more hp and a different drive ratio + Magnetic Ride Control. To me all this means is worse gas mileage and a rougher ride. But, to say the non-performance DTS is not really a DTS is a bunch of crap. We should all enjoy our DTS' in whatever iteration because there will be no more.

Superjim
07-08-13, 12:23 PM
Some in this group attach a special significance to the "Performance" model which has slightly more hp and a different drive ratio + Magnetic Ride Control. To me all this means is worse gas mileage and a rougher ride.
But, to say the non-performance DTS is not really a DTS is a bunch of crap. We should all enjoy our DTS' in whatever iteration because there will be no more.

I agree 100%...

Jim

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-08-13, 01:39 PM
I have a "real" DTS. The title says so, Cadillac manufactured it as a DTS, it's what I looked for and found when looking for a DTS. It's not a knock-off of anything, it's a DTS... clear and simple. It's not a Deville, that's for sure, but I wasn't looking for a Deville. Research tells me that the Devilles and Sevilles were replaced with and consolidated into the DTS. So, for the sake of continuing the thread, I bought a 2010 DTS in April of this year. I got what I paid for and I love it! If you want a Deville in one of its permutations, I hope you are happy with your purchase.

Hello ronm01,

Glad to hear you love your DTS and are getting what you paid for! Continue to enjoy driving your Cadillac :) If you ever have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact us via private message.

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

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My girlfriend drives a 05 Deville. It's nearing 100k and there have been a few minor issues, but that's about it. We have had two window regulars fails which seems to be a common problem ($500+ at a dealer, $200 at our local indy shop), a short in window wiring which cost maybe $40, a blown fuse (pocket change), and a brake fluid sensor (about $140 at a local indy shop). We have had the car for 30k, and have not replaced the brakes yet and they have at least half left on both sides, which is really good for a newer vehicle and a larger vehicle. The car also gets about 26mpg doing hilly highway driving, and can easily hit 30mpg if it's somewhat flat, and do even better in cruise control. Hers is not a DTS model, it is a base model with a 275 hp engine, which is geared for touring and not performance. It also runs o n 87 octane.

My advice would be to find a great indy shop -- they will save you a fortune on repairs and maintenance. I have two I use regularly, and a few more I trust as well.

I also should say I like the way my girlfriend's Deville rides much better than my STS -- I simply don't get to drive fast enough without going to jail to appreciate where the STS suspension is better, the Deville's suspension is not nearly as floaty and boat-like as older models, but is softer and absorbs all the terrible Massachusetts roads. I'm not a fan of FWD vehicles at all, but I would tolerate it for the vehicles suspension.

I just bought a house on a hill myself and the RWD STS is not the best vehicle to get up the hill in the winter, plus I would appreciate the larger trunk space so I'm looking at a black '07 DTS currently.

Hi fps_dean,

Thanks for sharing this information with the community. I see you are looking at an '07 DTS; have you had any luck yet? If there are any questions you may have, please contact me via private message.

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Care

MoistCabbage
07-08-13, 02:12 PM
I've never heard the phrase "real DTS" used to differentiate '06+ LUX models from Performance/Platinum models. I have heard it used to differentiate "real" (original) '00-'05 Deville Touring Sedans from '06+ DTSs. Same thing for "real" '88-03 Seville Touring Sedans vs '05+ STSs.

Not the first time Cadillac model names have been confusing.

ronm01
07-08-13, 11:18 PM
I've never heard the phrase "real DTS" used to differentiate '06+ LUX models from Performance/Platinum models. I have heard it used to differentiate "real" (original) '00-'05 Deville Touring Sedans from '06+ DTSs. Same thing for "real" '88-03 Seville Touring Sedans vs '05+ STSs.

Not the first time Cadillac model names have been confusing.

I was referring to Submariner409 and his post that said: "Welcome !! Do you want a real DTS (Deville Touring Sedan) or the 2005 and later knockoff "DTS" - which is NOT a Deville ?" In his quoted words He refers to models after 2005 as being knock-off DTS's as opposed to the real DTS (Deville Touring Car). You are correct, there is no model DTS known as the "Real" DTS. Methinks he does not care for the newer model Cadillac DTSs. Just poking fun, no offense intended, but my 2010 Platinum is a real DTS (Deville Touring Sedan). I do understand his intent to clarify models previous to 2005, but the later models are not knock-offs. :stirpot: :)

MoistCabbage
07-09-13, 01:09 AM
DTS is not an acronym for Deville Touring Sedan on '06+ cars. The last Deville is a 2005 model.

Pre '06, DTS was a trim level.
'06+, DTS is a model.

They're both "real", but a pre '06 DTS was the top of the line/performance oriented Deville. After that, it could be the top of the line performance model, or a base model. It lost its "special" meaning, so some poke fun at that fact.

reedmtn
07-09-13, 10:12 AM
Okay Submariner, share some more knowlege w mw. What does DTS stand for if not Deville touring sedan? My Cadillac dealer must also be mis informed. Anyway, having gone down the line from 06CTS, coupe touring sedan, to an 08 STS, Seville touring sedan, to my currnet enjoyment....my 10 DTS platinum DTS, Deville touring sedan, I can honestly say it has been a pleasure to drive all 3. The biggest difference though is in the ride and roomyness of the DTS. If you want a sports car then get a CTS or ATS. If you wabt a great comfrtable classic vehicle...a DTS defines luxury well. I like to say I traded a speedboat n for a yacht! If you do find one, get a good one and hang in to it. They will not be making any like them again.

Superjim
07-09-13, 12:59 PM
I don't give a rat's hind end what someone wants to call it...
As far as "I" am concerned... My 2006 Cadillac DTS is exactly that... a DTS...

MoistCabbage
07-09-13, 04:05 PM
CTS does not stand for "coupe touring sedan". That doesn't even make any sense.

STS does not stand for Seville Touring Sedan for '05+ cars (GM went so far as to drop the Seville Touring Sedan for '04, to differentiate the two DIFFERENT models).

Your dealer IS mistaken.

The new acronyms all denote a "series". Per GM:

"As the first of Cadillac's S-series of models, SRX foreshadows and shares automotive DNA with future vehicles like the all-new 2005 STS sedan."

- CTS = C-series Touring Sedan
- STS (2005+ )= S-series Touring Sedan
- DTS (2006+) = D-series Touring Sedan

- Seville SLS = Seville Luxury Sedan
- Seville STS = Seville Touring Sedan
- Deville DHS = Deville High-Luxury Sedan
- Deville DTS = Deville Touring Sedan
- Deville DES= Deville Executive Sedan

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I don't give a rat's hind end what someone wants to call it...
As far as "I" am concerned... My 2006 Cadillac DTS is exactly that... a DTS...

And that would be 100% correct.