: Stock Mustang 5.0 vs cts v



lx5.0
07-05-13, 10:03 PM
Anybody ever raced one

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JFensty
07-05-13, 10:30 PM
From a 30 mph roll. By 70 had a full car on him

lx5.0
07-05-13, 10:43 PM
Were u stock

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odthetruth
07-06-13, 03:57 AM
On the 3.42 gears, I'd put the V in for the win. On the 3.73s, you're going to have a hard time, IMO. Stock for stock, its a better race then people think... with the V actually having an upper hand depending on roll speed. From a dig, if the 5.0 hooks... you're dead meat.

seeyouinajif
07-06-13, 08:04 AM
From a stop can't say but from a roll v all day


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InfrareV
07-06-13, 11:32 AM
Stock for stock our V's will kill the old 5.0, you're talking a low 13 second car making 330 at the wheels vs a mid 14 second car making 200. Even with drag radials or slicks it won't be close, and from a roll it just gets worse.

The new 5.0 though will walk away from us at the strip and from a roll.

seeyouinajif
07-06-13, 01:15 PM
Stock for stock our V's will kill the old 5.0, you're talking a low 13 second car making 330 at the wheels vs a mid 14 second car making 200. Even with drag radials or slicks it won't be close, and from a roll it just gets worse.

The new 5.0 though will walk away from us at the strip and from a roll.

I was talking about the new 5.0. Did it the other day- 3 times


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BigDaddy-V
07-06-13, 02:09 PM
Did what the other day? Got walked or did the walking?

BDV

ImEpayne
07-06-13, 08:16 PM
My '06 walks them all day. but an 04-05 might be a little less easy. Done 45 rolls with them alot. Just did a 35 roll with a new SS camero there and it straight walked me all day. Hoping he had work done...

InfrareV
07-06-13, 08:25 PM
My '06 walks them all day. but an 04-05 might be a little less easy. Done 45 rolls with them alot. Just did a 35 roll with a new SS camero there and it straight walked me all day. Hoping he had work done...
For one, you aren't much faster then an '04-'05 it's essentially insignificant. For two, the old 5.0 or the new 5.0? There's no reason at all you should walk the new one. Stock for stock they dyno 40hp more then the V's and weigh less.

odthetruth
07-06-13, 09:27 PM
Anybody ever raced one

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I was originally talking about the new 5.0s... if you are talking about the old LX 5.0s... The foxbody ones... if its not build correctly, its going to have a bad time. I know alot of foxes with alphabet cams and crap setups.


Stock for stock our V's will kill the old 5.0, you're talking a low 13 second car making 330 at the wheels vs a mid 14 second car making 200. Even with drag radials or slicks it won't be close, and from a roll it just gets worse.

The new 5.0 though will walk away from us at the strip and from a roll.


For one, you aren't much faster then an '04-'05 it's essentially insignificant. For two, the old 5.0 or the new 5.0? There's no reason at all you should walk the new one. Stock for stock they dyno 40hp more then the V's and weigh less.

I agree, difference between LS6 and 2 is minimal, but stock 5.0s on 3.42 gears seem to be slower then the 3.73s. The gears play a big role in the new 5.0. I've seen Vs run 5.0s down on the roll, but from a dig... I think the Vs toast.

lx5.0
07-07-13, 12:57 AM
I think the 5.0 was slow taking off from me n I didn't even floor it

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mberisha
07-07-13, 01:32 AM
:stirpot:
Not sure about the 5.0(S)low Rustang.....but I know I had no chance with the 'Rustang in the below pics....






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H-town_V
07-07-13, 03:22 AM
A stock 5.0 vs a healthy V... One making at least 350whp is a very good race. My buddy has a stock 5.0 and I can usually beat him from a roll but from a dig, he always pulls...

I got so upset last night after a friend of mine stated his 99(stock 4.6) mustang would destroy my V. So I put a $100 bill on the table and the excuses started flowing. It's kind of a joke since I beat this same rustang in my old pickup truck...

Becker
07-07-13, 08:55 AM
I got so upset last night after a friend of mine stated his 99(stock 4.6) mustang would destroy my V. So I put a $100 bill on the table and the excuses started flowing. It's kind of a joke since I beat this same rustang in my old pickup truck...

So many ways I can relate to this scenario :) I love it....

seeyouinajif
07-07-13, 09:23 AM
Did what the other day? Got walked or did the walking?

BDV

Did the walking. He had an exhaust too- my v is bone stock atm


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OneSlowV
07-07-13, 09:30 AM
I liked to see how my tune and headers V would do against one from a roll

WarrenMRogers
07-07-13, 09:55 AM
I easily walk this same manual 2008ish 5.0 around town with at least exhaust but there's no telling if it is in a good mechanical shape. The driver is a gorgeous brunette! I have a stock 04 with 101k miles. I have also stomped a supercharged foxbody. I have yet to lose a race here in Mexico. (Not saying I won't I just haven't met my match yet.)

mberisha
07-07-13, 10:03 AM
^^^^pics of the brunette?

seeyouinajif
07-07-13, 10:16 AM
I liked to see how my tune and headers V would do against one from a roll

Unless you miss a shift you'll be fine


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OneSlowV
07-07-13, 10:50 AM
No phone number yet lol. The V i got feels alot stronger than my ls2 gto did both being stock. Maybe its the 3.73s idk. These cars really pull in 3rd and 4th

RyRidesMotoX
07-07-13, 11:16 AM
I got so upset last night after a friend of mine stated his 99(stock 4.6) mustang would destroy my V. So I put a $100 bill on the table and the excuses started flowing. It's kind of a joke since I beat this same rustang in my old pickup truck...

My buddy at work has a Whipple on his 07 Shelby 350gt AUTOMATIC lol... He wouldnt even race my little cobalt, from a roll or a dig, he sure as hell won't race my V now or if I ever get my heads machined and a nice can put in it. Lol his stang is a low 13s/high 12s car on a good day. That cobalt could run 12s easy all day long every day. Some mustang owners are as bad as civic guys I swear.

InfrareV
07-08-13, 08:05 PM
I easily walk this same manual 2008ish 5.0 around town with at least exhaust but there's no telling if it is in a good mechanical shape. The driver is a gorgeous brunette! I have a stock 04 with 101k miles. I have also stomped a supercharged foxbody. I have yet to lose a race here in Mexico. (Not saying I won't I just haven't met my match yet.)
They didn't make the new 5.0 until 2011, '05-'10 were 3V 4.6's and were significantly slower.


My buddy at work has a Whipple on his 07 Shelby 350gt AUTOMATIC lol... He wouldnt even race my little cobalt, from a roll or a dig, he sure as hell won't race my V now or if I ever get my heads machined and a nice can put in it. Lol his stang is a low 13s/high 12s car on a good day. That cobalt could run 12s easy all day long every day. Some mustang owners are as bad as civic guys I swear.
I don't recall a "350GT", there was a Shelby GT but it wasn't much different than the normal GT. 319hp at the crank, with a small whipple I'd expect it to be a little faster then you're suggesting but they only ran mid-high 13's stock. Also Automatic's are frequently preferred and often faster when drag racing. With a 13 second car maybe not, but there's a tradeoff at some point.

odthetruth
07-09-13, 05:43 AM
I easily walk this same manual 2008ish 5.0 around town with at least exhaust but there's no telling if it is in a good mechanical shape. The driver is a gorgeous brunette! I have a stock 04 with 101k miles. I have also stomped a supercharged foxbody. I have yet to lose a race here in Mexico. (Not saying I won't I just haven't met my match yet.)


08 GTs aren't 5.0s, they are 4.6 IIRC


Unless you miss a shift you'll be fine

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This.


They didn't make the new 5.0 until 2011, '05-'10 were 3V 4.6's and were significantly slower.


I don't recall a "350GT", there was a Shelby GT but it wasn't much different than the normal GT. 319hp at the crank, with a small whipple I'd expect it to be a little faster then you're suggesting but they only ran mid-high 13's stock. Also Automatic's are frequently preferred and often faster when drag racing. With a 13 second car maybe not, but there's a tradeoff at some point.

Truth and truth. Automatics are also more consistent.

RyRidesMotoX
07-09-13, 05:59 PM
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The engine bay looks clean but the stickers... Not so much. Its gotten worse recently as well. That is an old picture. It's just not my style, too much bling in stickies on the side. Granted my car is probably louder than his exhaust wise anyways. To each his own but he's got a sticker for everything he had done on that thing. I thought only Honda guys did that

Gah wtf? The rest of my post went away... Damn phone and trying to upload pictures.... I think I got it all back now.


I don't recall a "350GT", there was a Shelby GT but it wasn't much different than the normal GT. 319hp at the crank, with a small whipple I'd expect it to be a little faster then you're suggesting but they only ran mid-high 13's stock. Also Automatic's are frequently preferred and often faster when drag racing. With a 13 second car maybe not, but there's a tradeoff at some point.

I know autos are better for drags but I was emphasizing that cuz he didn't want to race any of my manuals. Also Shelby gt or 350, I don't know the models of every mustang ever, and for some reason, alot of those generation Shelby GT guys call their cars 350s, its on their license plates and stuff, guys advertise them all the time as a "Shelby 350 GT", I don't know why you'd have to ask them. I do know the fast ones, the termis, the gt500s, LS swapped foxes ;) the ones I know I'll end up losing to with the proper application of money, parts, and psi. Also the low 13s/high 12s are from his video evidence not mine lol. I'll try and find it.

Edit, looks like the videos he had are no longer on photobucket... I dunno

voodoochikin04
07-10-13, 04:08 PM
just this last weekend I raced a 2013 mustang 5.0 auto 3.15rear gear, with cold air intake and a tune. He dynoed at 373 to the wheels. I got the jump on him at a roll but he slowly walked away from me (04 V with cold air intake-rest is stock). Had we mashed the gas at the same time he would have pulled away decently i believe. Same night we raced a new camaro ss 6speed, from a roll. it was virtually dead even till we let off. idk if the camaro was in 3rd while i was in 2nd starting out... because he wouldnt talk to us or look over at all. maybe he was a bad shifter.

RyRidesMotoX
07-10-13, 06:05 PM
just this last weekend I raced a 2013 mustang 5.0 auto 3.15rear gear, with cold air intake and a tune. He dynoed at 373 to the wheels. I got the jump on him at a roll but he slowly walked away from me (04 V with cold air intake-rest is stock). Had we mashed the gas at the same time he would have pulled away decently i believe. Same night we raced a new camaro ss 6speed, from a roll. it was virtually dead even till we let off. idk if the camaro was in 3rd while i was in 2nd starting out... because he wouldnt talk to us or look over at all. maybe he was a bad shifter.

You played into the mustang's gearing from a roll... Off the line you would have done better... Do they really come with 3.15s though? I though they started with 3.30 or 3.20s or somethings though. With an option for 3.73 or something?

voodoochikin04
07-10-13, 06:19 PM
the guy claims its a 3.15, he kept going on how he gets such great mpg on the highways with his 3.15 rear gear.

carlson_mn
07-10-13, 09:57 PM
The autos come with a 3.15 and the manuals standard is 3.31 with 3.55 and 3.73 optional. Not sure which are optional with the auto.

JD03Cobra
07-11-13, 01:33 PM
I ran a 5.0 CS (California Special). He appeared to be stock with a manual. We ran twice from a dig, he had me slightly in 1st, I evened it up in 2nd was pulling away in 3rd. Mine is tuned with headers. I probably would have lost if I was stock...but it's clearly a drivers race.

OneSlowV
07-13-13, 05:36 PM
The cts-v is a good roll car. I don't do to many dig runs to much wheel hop

WarrenMRogers
07-13-13, 10:53 PM
My apologies, I meant GT.

Wingsfan4life
07-14-13, 09:28 AM
My room mate has an 06 GT auto...we rolled from 60 I was in third...smoked him and gave him about a half a car start and I was 3 cars ahead of him when I dumped it into fourth...he pulled on me on a 0-60 start til I hit third, then I walked on him..long story short he don't talk smack about the Caddy anymore...

OneSlowV
07-14-13, 10:23 PM
Those 3v stangs really don't give a V any problems. Even the roush stangs that are supercharged with 435hp are slow lol.

lollygagger8
07-15-13, 10:13 AM
Those 3v stangs really don't give a V any problems. Even the roush stangs that are supercharged with 435hp are slow lol.

What?? Seriously?

OneSlowV
07-15-13, 01:00 PM
Yep they run low 13s and trap around 107-109 mph. Before i had my V i owned a 07 charger srt8 and bet one by two cars. But you can get 500hp with a smaller pulley and tune then they really come alive though.

RyRidesMotoX
07-15-13, 01:06 PM
Yep they run low 13s and trap around 107-109 mph. Before i had my V i owned a 07 charger srt8 and bet one by two cars. But you can get 500hp with a smaller pulley and tune then they really come alive though.

I agree... The supercharged roush isn't that fast. Even with a smaller pulley on one I was door to door with my cobalt on my grocery getter tune, on ethanol I would have easily put 2+ cars from 40-140. I want to get the CTS-V built up so I can terrorize people again.

H-town_V
07-22-13, 03:34 AM
http://youtu.be/bU7pVm_Eveg

I know this isn't a 100% fair race but it's deff a win for the V and very fun to watch.

BigDaddy-V
07-22-13, 10:22 AM
Hey h_town,

Did you ever get a chance to mod up any high flows yet? My tranny in my Burban went out so paying for that right now before I get a chance to do mine. Just wondering what you did and how it might have worked.

BDV

H-town_V
07-22-13, 03:41 PM
Hey h_town,

Did you ever get a chance to mod up any high flows yet? My tranny in my Burban went out so paying for that right now before I get a chance to do mine. Just wondering what you did and how it might have worked.

BDV

I decided to wait and just buy headers around Christmas time. I'm gonna be moving into a house in November so the noise issue won't be a problem anymore:)
http://www.mandrelexhaustsystems.com/servlet/the-273/04-dsh-07-CADILLAC-CTS-dsh-V-EXHAUST/Detail

Have you checked these out. You can't beat the price and it's a DIY install.

BigDaddy-V
07-22-13, 05:06 PM
Yes I have seen those and that is what got me thinking about doing the change up. I still might go with those but I found a shop that would do the custom work for me and relocate them back to the midpipe (kind of like what the kooks midpipe would be like) for 200 bucks and I just have to supply the cats. So for like 400 total I can have a custom setup and still run working O2s and if I add the LTs later then there is no work to be done and just put them in there. If it were to work out well enough I might leave it that way and save the money and sink it into a better clutch or cam at that point. At any rate I want to do what I can to be a sleeper so pulling up next to a new 5.0 is not a problem for me! hehe!

BDV

seeyouinajif
08-05-13, 07:04 PM
Thought I'd bring this back up, was in Mexico last night and from a 60mph roll in 4th beat an 02 GT with an exhaust by about 4 lengths at 120, wasn't even fair. Love this car can't wait till I do intake and exhaust.


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RyRidesMotoX
08-05-13, 08:14 PM
Start it in 3rd @60mph next time and really make him want to hang himself when he gets home.

Andringa
08-05-13, 11:04 PM
Thought I'd bring this back up, was in Mexico last night and from a 60mph roll in 4th beat an 02 GT with an exhaust by about 4 lengths at 120, wasn't even fair. Love this car can't wait till I do intake and exhaust.


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They didn't have the 5.0 in 2002. I believe that would have been the 4.6 making significantly less power. (260hp I think)


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H-town_V
08-05-13, 11:15 PM
Shame on yall... Street racing is illegal, hehehehe:)

RyRidesMotoX
08-06-13, 03:07 AM
They didn't have the 5.0 in 2002. I believe that would have been the 4.6 making significantly less power. (260hp I think)


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I don't think that was thw point he was making, but you are correct. They are pretty gutless. Those 4.6 motors were fairly pathetic. But they do sound pretty damn sweet.

Andringa
08-06-13, 08:13 AM
The 5.0 is interesting because its a drivers race between a new 5.0 and a slightly modded V1. Beating an older generation Mustang that is down 30% on hp just isn't as interesting.




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seeyouinajif
08-06-13, 10:49 AM
Start it in 3rd @60mph next time and really make him want to hang himself when he gets home.

Ha I know, figured I'd walk him without making a sound (still stock exhaust). I was still in my daily commute mode I actually shifted 4th-6th haha.


They didn't have the 5.0 in 2002. I believe that would have been the 4.6 making significantly less power. (260hp I think)

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It was the 4.6, wasn't a story worth starting a new thread for so figured I'd post in here. I doubt I would've pulled a 5.0 in 4th.

Becker
08-11-13, 01:07 PM
I just finished cleaning the car and decided to take it on a shakedown cruise. Ran across a new red 5.0 I followed him for a few lights then we were approaching a freeway entrancr and I heard him starting to rev so I got prepared. Took off the ac thru it in competition mode and boom green light and I got out the whole with minimal spin and a wicked reaction time. I heard him spinning a bit. He also had exhaust. I grabbed second hard and I spun for a good two seconds. Then third with a good chirp as I hit the entrance to the freeway he was behind me trying to keep up. I then hit the curve and caught .91 g coming out and he didn't even try anymore. Lol nice is what I said......