: Communication technologies do you think the trade of is worth the convenience?



orconn
06-30-13, 03:27 PM
Sub alerts us to a new feature some insurance companies are offering that will trade a lower premium rate if we allow them to monitor our car's speed and turn forces.

We have experienced unprecedented speed and access to communications, knowledge and intellectual problem solving, but these advantages have come with a cost that could, or may well have already, threaten our privacy and our freedom.

Do you feel there is a difference between the commercial recording and tracking of your communications destinations, your buying preferences, your political preferences and the sale of that information to indiscriminate third parties. Or the collection of the same data by your government with possibly the same kinds of results.

Is the cat already irretrievably out of the bag when it comes to our communications privacy?

Submariner409
06-30-13, 04:10 PM
The GPS car tracking thing is only the tip of an already-existing iceberg. All you texters, laptoppers, Skypers and button phone pushers - Big Brother knows just about where you are 24/7/365. Every time we log onto a website, log on/off the internet, cell phone changes towers - we're 100% trackable.

Leave NYC and (as a passenger, of course) text a friend or two. Then confirm your motel reservation in ?? NC ??. Sign into the motel and use their wi-fi. Leave in the morning and text your arrival time in Daytona to good ol' Bert. Check the weather enroute. Make a call at noon to the babysitter. The time and date is logged onto every gasoline or food purchase you make with your CitiCard.

Your entire trip - to within a few hundred feet and a few minutes - can be tracked via the internet. Easily. We all make NSA happy - it keeps them in business.

(and that's nothing compared to what a knowledgeable website frequenter can do with your simple question on widget repair in a large info forum ......:cool2: )

orconn
06-30-13, 04:20 PM
^^^ All true, but is the convenience worth the violation of privacy?

Stingroo
06-30-13, 04:25 PM
It's not a violation of privacy until either:

A. that data is maliciously used without your consent.
B. there's no way for you to opt out of that data mining.

You completely opt into all of those things. Don't want to be cell tracked? Don't use a cell phone. Don't want to know where your money is being spent? Use cash.

Is it foolproof? No. But it's as close as you can get.

The main problem, IMO of course, like I said above is when you can't opt OUT of these things. Like with the new Xbox system, for instance. People are in an uproar because the camera can't be turned off. Sure, you can disable its tracking via the menus, but if the device is unplugged, the gaming portion won't work. That, for me, is where the line is drawn.

drewsdeville
06-30-13, 07:48 PM
It's not a violation of privacy until either:

A. that data is maliciously used without your consent.
B. there's no way for you to opt out of that data mining.

You completely opt into all of those things. Don't want to be cell tracked? Don't use a cell phone. Don't want to know where your money is being spent? Use cash.

Is it foolproof? No. But it's as close as you can get.

The main problem, IMO of course, like I said above is when you can't opt OUT of these things. Like with the new Xbox system, for instance. People are in an uproar because the camera can't be turned off. Sure, you can disable its tracking via the menus, but if the device is unplugged, the gaming portion won't work. That, for me, is where the line is drawn.

I agree with all of this except where you state the Xbox is an exception where the line is drawn. How is it any different than your other examples? Don't want to be watched on camera playing video games - then don't use an Xbox, right? It's completely voluntary, just like the cell phone, just like the credit card.

Stingroo
06-30-13, 08:05 PM
Well sure. That's why I don't plan on doing so.


But the point is, that's now become an intrusion on something I enjoy doing.

EChas3
06-30-13, 11:25 PM
I gotta laugh. There is no such thing as privacy. Anyone who thinks there is, is living in the past. Anyone that wants to know EVERYTHING about you, can.

I used to think that technology was just letting the leash out a little longer. I was wrong. It's making the collar that much tighter.

What amazes me is that the youth are virtually unconcerned with that and will do literally anything for their 15 minutes in the spotlight.

I'd convert to Luddite but I love driving my STS too much!

77CDV
06-30-13, 11:36 PM
This is truth right here.


I gotta laugh. There is no such thing as privacy. Anyone who thinks there is, is living in the past. Anyone that wants to know EVERYTHING about you, can.

I used to think that technology was just letting the leash out a little longer. I was wrong. It's making the collar that much tighter.

What amazes me is that the youth are virtually unconcerned with that and will do literally anything for their 15 minutes in the spotlight.

I'd convert to Luddite but I love driving my STS too much!

CadillacLuke24
07-01-13, 05:05 PM
I gotta laugh. There is no such thing as privacy. Anyone who thinks there is, is living in the past. Anyone that wants to know EVERYTHING about you, can.

I used to think that technology was just letting the leash out a little longer. I was wrong. It's making the collar that much tighter.

What amazes me is that the youth are virtually unconcerned with that and will do literally anything for their 15 minutes in the spotlight.

I'd convert to Luddite but I love driving my STS too much!

Privacy does "exist". It's called leaving your cell phone in your dorm room, failing to notify ANYONE of your plans, and setting off on a 4 hour drive through the mountains of Southeast Wyoming. Those dweebs may be able to track me by satellite, but they have no way of reaching me in a rapid, physical manner. :D

Seriously though, privacy requires a complete lack of technology, and it can be irritating. I remember one afternoon my freshman year I left my phone in my room and went for a lovely bicycle ride. When I got back, my friends at the time were somewhat agitated that I was unavailable. Like I always say, "If I want to be bothered, I will come looking for you.

Kad4Life
07-01-13, 08:39 PM
Cellphone ?
What cellphone ?

No tengo .
New Age Luddite . ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whpf4Xs2ww8