: Feedback on Lingenfelter snubber kit.



Tom Paine
02-10-05, 03:16 PM
I see that Lingenfelter is offering a partial cure for the wheel hop problem. The install is now posted on their web site and I believe they are now selling. Any comments, it looks like an easy install. Can these simple rubber bushings help?

6DN69
02-10-05, 03:37 PM
Tom,

Do you have a link? Just looked in the site and could not find it. Thanks

Wally

RSM CTS-V
02-10-05, 06:08 PM
I didn't see it on their site either, but I called them and they have a kit which includes 8 bushings, some special grease and other things. They claim it is the best solution so far that they have come up with that will not affect ride quality. It sells for $270, but they are waiting for the grease to come in before they can ship it. HMMMMMM????

CVP33
02-10-05, 07:31 PM
I didn't see it on their site either, but I called them and they have a kit which includes 8 bushings, some special grease and other things. They claim it is the best solution so far that they have come up with that will not affect ride quality. It sells for $270, but they are waiting for the grease to come in before they can ship it. HMMMMMM????

$270 for 8 bushings!? $270?!? 2 freakin' 70?! I know what grease they're waiting for. A 32oz. jar of vaseline. :cookoo:

2004ctsv
02-10-05, 07:32 PM
8 bushings for a vette are $32. What's up?

tcb100
02-10-05, 09:08 PM
If it works, who cares?

StealthV
02-10-05, 09:10 PM
$300 is a small price to pay to get rid of wheel hop don't you think?

The market is ripe for a wheel hop fix - develop one and sell it for $100. :cheers:

CVP33
02-10-05, 09:14 PM
$300 is a small price to pay to get rid of wheel hop don't you think?

The market is ripe for a wheel hop fix - develop one and sell it for $100. :cheers:

LOL. I'm speechless but I can still laugh. :lildevil:

Sandyfoot-V
02-10-05, 10:06 PM
$300 is a small price to pay to get rid of wheel hop don't you think?

The market is ripe for a wheel hop fix - develop one and sell it for $100. :cheers:

Or, find the parts online and sell them to other V enthusiasts for 2 1/2 times the price. Now that's Americana!

scottimartini
02-11-05, 01:02 PM
Supposedly, these have been installed on two of their customer cars. If it was a great fix, it seems like we would have heard something about it by now. I don't know if the old saying of "no news is good news" applies in this case.

trekster
02-11-05, 01:10 PM
$270 for 8 bushings!? $270?!? 2 freakin' 70?! I know what grease they're waiting for. A 32oz. jar of vaseline. :cookoo: yeah, car tuners are overpriced.

trukk
02-11-05, 01:24 PM
I didn't see it on their site either, but I called them and they have a kit which includes 8 bushings, some special grease and other things. They claim it is the best solution so far that they have come up with that will not affect ride quality. It sells for $270, but they are waiting for the grease to come in before they can ship it. HMMMMMM????


I'm sure they will tow the company line of: 'Not the cost of the parts, but of the engineering behind them.'

Most of us are thinking: 'They are gouging because, we all really want a solution to this issue.'

Reality: Probabaly somewhere in between. Also coincidence that the cost is similar to the BMR kit, which attempts to address the same situation? Probably not.

I personally don't think the price is an issue. Some will think it's worth it, some won't. If there is enough demand, others will come out with a similar kit for a lower price.

VIVA CAPITALISM !!

-Chris

globed70
02-11-05, 03:39 PM
Let's say that it fixes most of the problem (a bit of occassional wheel hop is not unknown on high-perf cars in the rain)...

It's not as if they will sell thousands of these kits... in fact the number is probably in the dozens. So, how will they cover their time invested, the value of their well-known franchise, tech support, and profit?

Only question we need to answer is whether this actually works. Somebody please give it a try.

Koooop
02-11-05, 03:51 PM
Pretty nice of Lingenfelter to waste their time even looking at the CTS-V. I wonder why they did. Maybe someone there owns one or someone paid them to do it. Lingenfelter is respected in the Corvette world, this is an upgrade I may try but it would have to be dealer installed because I'm not interested in anything that might void any part of my warranty.

GNSCOTT
02-11-05, 08:20 PM
The special grease is what makes it so expensive. Flubber doesn't grow on trees ya know.:eek:

CVP33
02-11-05, 08:54 PM
8 lousy bushings is not what I would call a large capital investment in research and development. I'm sorry but I'm a natural skeptic. As for why they would invest any time and effort in developing products for the V that's a no brainer. If I can sell 8 over-sized rubber washers for $270 I'm in. It's like a damned money tree.

Now I do have a lot of respect for DTE, BMR and Magnuson for their work. These guys have truly worked their collective asses off for us trying to develop perfromance based products. These companies have made significant investments in doing what I would consider true research and development.

ssmith100
02-11-05, 10:16 PM
CVP33,


So you don't have any respect for one of the best tuners in the business????

No direspect to the tuners you mentioned (DTE, BMR,Magnuson) .............but come on...........just because they (bushings) may possibly be a little pricey doesn't mean people should knock it until someone has them on there car. I seem to recall a few people on this board with a a few problems with one of the tuners mentioned above. As far as one of the others, go check out the GTO forums.

Shane

2004ctsv
02-11-05, 10:22 PM
Shane

The prblem isn't that they want $270, it's the fact that the same bushings are $32 for a corvette (if I read their web site right)

So, are V owners marks for over priced mods?

Tony

ssmith100
02-11-05, 10:45 PM
That's assuming they are the same type of bushings. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I know my Ling CAI is one of the best manufactured products I have ever bought. I seem to recall a few people paying 250.00 for a bar and four metal washers. Not trying to be a difficult, it just seems people really like to bitch about pricing. If you think it cost to much....................then don't freaking buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Shane

2004ctsv
02-11-05, 10:59 PM
I think you know - if I like the price, I buy what I want.

And if I think it's out of line, I walk away. But I can still express my opinion.

That's still what's going on with this board, right?

Tony

BowenCT
02-11-05, 11:03 PM
Is someone going to post a link to these bushings, cause I still can't find them on their site....................?????

2004ctsv
02-11-05, 11:10 PM
http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept%5Fid=36&pf%5Fid=144

r_casino
02-12-05, 12:14 AM
http://www.lingenfelter.com/images/cts-v%20snubber%20installation.pdf

ssmith100
02-12-05, 12:34 AM
Tony,


I was directing my remarks to you, just some of our fellow breatheren on the site.

Shane

RSM CTS-V
02-12-05, 12:47 AM
True, $270 is a pretty steep for a bunch of busings and some grease, but if it improves the wheel hop and works better than the BMR kit then who cares? If it was a single bolt for $500 and it fixed the problem then it would be money well spent. What's $270 to fix or improve the dreaded "wheel hop" problem on a $50,000 car? :banghead: Small price to pay in my opinion. I'm going to order one next week. What's the worst that could happen? The wheel hop won't be any worse, right? I'll let you all know how it works out after I get it and put it on.:)

wildwhl
02-12-05, 01:38 AM
Hmmm...many people complain about engineering, research, copywriting, packaging, and manufacturing prices built into the cost of an aftermarket upgrade.

By the way, any engineers, machinests, copywriters, graphic designers, fabricators, printers, mechanics, capitalists or general enthusiasts on this board?

OK...'nuff of that.

The interesting thing I can note about the LPE kit is that it is effectively creating a similar result that the BMR kit does (albeit without the cross bar and likely with minimal, if any, added noise) in that it takes some of the slop out of the factory cradle mounts.

It would seem that the primary culprit to this problem lies in the fact that the 24mm and 21mm cradle bolts and the factory bushings do not match - that is the factory bores that the bolts go through are oversized, likely for installation simplicity on the assembly line. This allows for the entire rear cradle and diff to "float" a bit under torque/hard launch situations.

BTW, I'm not an engineer, but I did sleep at a neonatal intensive care unit last night, so if I'm wrong correct me.

What I find most interesting is that the LPE kit actually accomplishes (according to the manufacturer's claims only) more than the BMR kit (which I have installed) without the use of the cross bar or even the hard aluminum and steel bushings to better align the cradle bolts and keep them centered.

I hope it works - and being the guinea pig that I am - will likely order up the kit and try to use it ALONG WITH the BMR kit in some fashion to see if wheel hop magically disappears. That's OK, no warning necessary, as I can cope quite well with disappointment, I used to own a FORD :lildevil:

And, I must agree, a $500 bolt (magic bullet) that resolved the problem would be one of the finest models of capitalism I ever imagined :sneaky:

edit: 777 posts - darn wish I was playing a $5 slot!

CVP33
02-12-05, 03:50 AM
CVP33,


So you don't have any respect for one of the best tuners in the business????

No direspect to the tuners you mentioned (DTE, BMR,Magnuson) .............but come on...........just because they (bushings) may possibly be a little pricey doesn't mean people should knock it until someone has them on there car. I seem to recall a few people on this board with a a few problems with one of the tuners mentioned above. As far as one of the others, go check out the GTO forums.

Shane

Shane,

Short answer would be no, I don't respect a tuner that treats V owners differently than Corvette owners on similar parts.

Long answer is that Lingenfelter is entitled to charge whatever they deem fair and reasonable. At that point I have the god given right to complain and walk away, which I have chosen to exercise. I'm not knocking their solution by any means, however I am questioning their pricing practices.

As far as Magnuson's issues with the GTO, they are retro-fitting all the early S/C applications with a fix to address their heat soak issues free of charge. So in my book they still have integrity. They've admitted the problem and are working diligently and honestly to fix it. That's first class.

As for balking on the price of the bushings maybe this example will help you understand where I'm coming from. When you bought your CTS-V did you negotiate a lower price than MSRP? Why would you try to talk Cadillac and their Dealers down in price after they created such an excellent vehicle for the price? Imagine the engineering expense that went into creating the CTS-V. Are you disrespecting them by trying to get a lower price? Afterall their product is lower than the competitor, warrantied for 4years/50,000 miles and is ranked very high by JDPower and associates.

urbanski
02-12-05, 07:57 AM
wonder if LPE will throw in a turbo or 2 for that $280? :D

trukk
02-12-05, 10:12 AM
The special grease is what makes it so expensive. Flubber doesn't grow on trees ya know.:eek:

HAHA.

I think there is flubber in them thar joints now, which is why the wheel hop is so bad.

flubber. heh

-Chris