: Real wood



Vladillac Khrougham
06-19-13, 04:32 AM
have always wondered if anyone has ever replaced the faux wood panels with real wood

lacville78
06-19-13, 04:42 AM
Don't know, I'm sure it could be done by someone with decent wood working skills.
From what I understand I think it is simulated burl wood.

Although If it were me, I would put exotic veneer over the plastic pieces.

cadillac kevin
06-19-13, 10:19 AM
Not that I know of (one guy who joined here swore he did, but I never saw pics).
When I get some more money, I'll talk to my friend who is a master carpenter and see how plausible it is. The door handle pulls shouldn't be that hard, but I'm not sure about the switch plates. The dash is probably doable as well.

SafariOne
06-19-13, 02:18 PM
Having worked with veneers for many years I would say it is definately possible and would look stunning. You get a 3-D look from wood that can't be replicated in plastis or foil. The most time spent would be making accurate templates of all the pieces. Then pic a veneer that is nice and flexible on it's own so you don't have to soak or heat it before it goes on. It does get a little tricky on tight bends and corners. You would have to do all the final clear finish in place.Have had much success with solid woods too for things like the stereo bezel.

talismandave
06-19-13, 07:07 PM
Dremel has router bits and a router converter that I have never used. It would probably be perfect for finishing edges of small parts.

Vladillac Khrougham
06-19-13, 07:51 PM
I was wondering more along the lines of solid wood. Could the the faux wood trim parts be scanned and then fabricated by a CNC machine? (I guess veneer would have to be used for curved areas)

brougham
06-20-13, 01:36 AM
Anyone who's good with wood should be able to make the panels. The hardest would probably doing the strip over the dash with the lights behind it if you want then to show thru properly.

lacville78
06-20-13, 04:32 AM
Anyone who's good with wood should be able to make the panels. The hardest would probably doing the strip over the dash with the lights behind it if you want then to show thru properly.

Ya, that would be a shame to mess that up. I always thought that was sooo cool, how they did that with the idiot lights. :cool2:

cadillac kevin
06-20-13, 11:13 AM
Who needs idiot lights? Mine keep telling me to check my engine....and sure enough, there is an engine there :P

talismandave
06-20-13, 11:19 PM
Who needs idiot lights? Mine keep telling me to check my engine....and sure enough, there is an engine there :P

It is just confused because it's the wrong one!:duck:

lacville78
06-21-13, 03:07 AM
I always thought it would be cool to rig one of the modern coolant reservoirs with the low coolant switch into the caddy. It might come in handy.

Vladillac Khrougham
06-21-13, 03:36 AM
While I am disappointed in the lack of real time feedback other than Speed, fuels level and distance traveled, I do love the semi-hidden Idiot lights, I just wish there was a at least a factory installed coolant temp and voltmeter read out

jsherid1
06-21-13, 10:13 AM
I have thought about the possibility of replacing the faux wood as well, I will be really interested to see this thread develop.

My_favorite_Brougham
06-24-13, 09:44 PM
A few years ago I saw a 90-92 Brougham on eBay with real wood. It was one of those cars where the owner replaced almost everything with custom made pieces. He said he spent about $30k redoing it all. I'm only sorry that I didn't save the pictures. It looked great! As I recall it was a white-leather non-d'Elegance car with blue dash and wire wheels.

MoistCabbage
06-24-13, 09:58 PM
$30K for a few pieces of wood trim? Or a restoration?

Speaking of real wood, anyone see the custom last gen "woody" Roadmaster sedan on Ebay a year or so back?

My_favorite_Brougham
06-25-13, 12:55 PM
$30k for redoing the whole car. I doubt it was a traditional restoration, but rather a rolls-royce-ization. There were all kinds of other little details, like real leather door panels.

cadillac kevin
06-25-13, 01:08 PM
$30k for redoing the whole car. I doubt it was a traditional restoration, but rather a rolls-royce-ization. There were all kinds of other little details, like real leather door panels.

It also had a leather headliner, stainless, all the aluminum engine parts were polished out to a mirror shine, and alot of other stuff. I can think of better ways to spend 30k, but if they want to blow 30k on a 10k car, so be it.

Bro-Ham
06-25-13, 10:23 PM
You are ready for a RR or Bentley if your needs have progressed to needing real wood instead of plastic. You must be a young person. Spread your wings! With a RR or B, in addition to the real wood, you'll also get real wool carpets and lambswool overlays, hand rubbed lacquer paint, hand craftsmanship, a fabulous statue atop the magnificent Parthenon grille, and all of it together looks and smells more divine than any substance you could ever imagine inhaling or ingesting. As Nike says: just do it! :)

cadillac kevin
06-25-13, 10:37 PM
You are ready for a RR or Bentley if your needs have progressed to needing real wood instead of plastic. You must be a young person. Spread your wings! With a RR or B, in addition to the real wood, you'll also get real wool carpets and lambswool overlays, hand rubbed lacquer paint, hand craftsmanship, a fabulous statue atop the magnificent Parthenon grille, and all of it together looks and smells more divine than any substance you could ever imagine inhaling or ingesting. As Nike says: just do it! :)

You also get a massive repair bill! LOL

Bro-Ham
06-25-13, 11:08 PM
You also get a massive repair bill! LOL

You have to pay to play! If you don't try you'll never know! You only live once, as far as we know, so I say live all you can!

lacville78
06-25-13, 11:35 PM
You have to pay to play! If you don't try you'll never know! You only live once, as far as we know, so I say live all you can!

Oh no! YOLO.

Vladillac Khrougham
06-26-13, 12:44 AM
You are ready for a RR or Bentley if your needs have progressed to needing real wood instead of plastic. You must be a young person. Spread your wings! With a RR or B, in addition to the real wood, you'll also get real wool carpets and lambswool overlays, hand rubbed lacquer paint, hand craftsmanship, a fabulous statue atop the magnificent Parthenon grille, and all of it together looks and smells more divine than any substance you could ever imagine inhaling or ingesting. As Nike says: just do it! :)

RR makes some swell automobiles and their aviation power-plants are the Cadillac of aircraft engines, the only problem is despite everything else the simple fact remains that even the finest RR every made is still not a Cadillac.

(By definition Cadillac is the Cadillac of automobiles) ;)

jamespowers
06-26-13, 01:55 AM
RR makes some swell automobiles and their aviation power-plants are the Cadillac of aircraft engines, the only problem is despite everything else the simple fact remains that even the finest RR every made is still not a Cadillac.

(By definition Cadillac is the Cadillac of automobiles) ;)

I drove a friend of mine's Rolls and yes they are interesting and well appointed but You have to keep a mechanic in the backseat. The damned thing was always breaking down---once going over the Bay bridge---that sucked big time.

talismandave
06-26-13, 03:20 AM
It also had a leather headliner, stainless, all the aluminum engine parts were polished out to a mirror shine, and alot of other stuff. I can think of better ways to spend 30k, but if they want to blow 30k on a 10k car, so be it.

I would rather have $30,000 in an old Cadillac than in a ______. (Insert any new econo-box name here.)

smokuspollutus
06-26-13, 10:27 AM
A few years ago I saw a 90-92 Brougham on eBay with real wood. It was one of those cars where the owner replaced almost everything with custom made pieces. He said he spent about $30k redoing it all. I'm only sorry that I didn't save the pictures. It looked great! As I recall it was a white-leather non-d'Elegance car with blue dash and wire wheels.

I think its in the Matt Garrett collection now
http://www.mcsmk8.com/90-BRHM-SHOW/90-BROUGHAM.html

smokuspollutus
06-26-13, 10:35 AM
While I am disappointed in the lack of real time feedback other than Speed, fuels level and distance traveled, I do love the semi-hidden Idiot lights, I just wish there was a at least a factory installed coolant temp and voltmeter read out

You could always look for a gauge pack out of a full-size Pontiac/Olds, although your Brougham does have the digital dash, which I suppose would look silly with the standard gauges. So I suppose this is more for the 77-89 Brougham owners
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Pic courtesy my friend Dave on flickr.

cadillac kevin
06-26-13, 10:43 AM
You could always look for a gauge pack out of a full-size Pontiac/Olds, although your Brougham does have the digital dash, which I suppose would look silly with the standard gauges. So I suppose this is more for the 77-89 Brougham owners
<img src="http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=120225"/>
Pic courtesy my friend Dave on flickr.

I've looked for those gauge packs. They're pretty rare apparently....haven't come across one yet

Vladillac Khrougham
06-26-13, 11:39 AM
You could always look for a gauge pack out of a full-size Pontiac/Olds, although your Brougham does have the digital dash, which I suppose would look silly with the standard gauges. So I suppose this is more for the 77-89 Brougham owners
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Pic courtesy my friend Dave on flickr.

I like! Are they mechanically or electronically driven? And that reminded me to ask if anyone knows if the 90-92 Brougham is backwards compatible ("plug and play") with the 89- instrument cluster or at least feasible perhaps with proper resistors?

smokuspollutus
06-26-13, 01:05 PM
I've looked for those gauge packs. They're pretty rare apparently....haven't come across one yet

Yes, they were an uncommon option. But sometimes they show up on ebay, if you keep your eyes peeled.


I like! Are they mechanically or electronically driven? And that reminded me to ask if anyone knows if the 90-92 Brougham is backwards compatible ("plug and play") with the 89- instrument cluster or at least feasible perhaps with proper resistors?

I couldn't say for sure. But if you mean computer-driven when you say electronic, then I can say with confidence, no.

My_favorite_Brougham
06-26-13, 08:53 PM
I think its in the Matt Garrett collection now
http://www.mcsmk8.com/90-BRHM-SHOW/90-BROUGHAM.html

I've seen that one and I'm impressed. But it doesn't have the real wood; maybe the seller kept the wood? It's very similar to the one I remember though. On an unrelated note, that Brougham has the Buick radio, which I discussed years ago in this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/117313-looking-factory-cd-player-91-brougham.html). Perhaps I influenced that 'beaut. :D

Fleet
06-26-13, 09:48 PM
RR makes some swell automobiles and their aviation power-plants are the Cadillac of aircraft engines, the only problem is despite everything else the simple fact remains that even the finest RR every made is still not a Cadillac.

(By definition Cadillac is the Cadillac of automobiles) ;)
Yes, Cadillac had some things that Rolls ('50s and later) never had... like a factory 21-foot long vehicle (the '74-'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five, of course), huge engines (472 and 500 for the Cad) and, as far as I know, Rolls didn't have separate rear climate and radio controls like the Fleetwood Seventy-Fives had.

Also, Rolls didn't even use a V-8 engine until the late-'50s or early-'60s, there was no power seat adjustment up to the mid-'60s and no 1960s Rolls-Royce could run a low-16 second 1/4 mile or 8-second 0-60 mph like some of the '60s/early-'70s Cadillac could.

Bro-Ham
06-27-13, 02:03 AM
Yes, Cadillac had some things that Rolls ('50s and later) never had... like a factory 21-foot long vehicle (the '74-'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five, of course), huge engines (472 and 500 for the Cad) and, as far as I know, Rolls didn't have separate rear climate and radio controls like the Fleetwood Seventy-Fives had.

Also, Rolls didn't even use a V-8 engine until the late-'50s or early-'60s, there was no power seat adjustment up to the mid-'60s and no 1960s Rolls-Royce could run a low-16 second 1/4 mile or 8-second 0-60 mph like some of the '60s/early-'70s Cadillac could.

Rolls didn't have adjustable steering column until the mid 1990's too. But I dont think most RR buyers care about any of these differences and perceived deficiencies - they simply want something that is exquisite, produced by hand in very limited numbers using the finest materials, and priced accordingly so they are assured of exclusivity.

I think the plastic wood in our old Cadillacs is part of what makes them classic, and charming! I think once you start to fancy up an older Cadillac you'll start to realize that real wood will look odd next to the molded vinyl dash and vinyl door panels and plastic interior trim and shiny polyester carpet and velour headliner. You'll end up attempting to Rolls-Roycify your Cadillac and in the end you'll start looking at how the RR works with all of its real thing fineness and an old Cadillac works with all of its synthetic imitation fanciness!

Fleet
06-27-13, 05:29 AM
Rolls didn't have adjustable steering column until the mid 1990's too. But I dont think most RR buyers care about any of these differences and perceived deficiencies - they simply want something that is exquisite, produced by hand in very limited numbers using the finest materials, and priced accordingly so they are assured of exclusivity.

I think the plastic wood in our old Cadillacs is part of what makes them classic, and charming! I think once you start to fancy up an older Cadillac you'll start to realize that real wood will look odd next to the molded vinyl dash and vinyl door panels and plastic interior trim and shiny polyester carpet and velour headliner. You'll end up attempting to Rolls-Roycify your Cadillac and in the end you'll start looking at how the RR works with all of its real thing fineness and an old Cadillac works with all of its synthetic imitation fanciness!
Good point(s).

Wow, I didn't realize that Rolls didn't have an adjustable steering column until the mid-'90s. Kind of lagging behind.

I've thought a few times about how nice real wood would look inside my '76 limousine, but as you said, it would probably look odd. Also, wood fades.

brougham
06-27-13, 05:51 AM
Other then the dash and some of the trim I've always found some interiors of older Rolls to look cheap. Not because of material but the plainness of some of it. I'd still buy one tho.

Wood in cars doesn't necessarily fade but it does crack and stain.

Fleet
06-27-13, 06:14 AM
Yes, some did look kind of plain. Especially from certain angles.

I didn't think of that, wood cracking. I can see that happening especially in places with large temperature changes.

Here is an example of well-worn wood on a '66 Fleetwood Brougham which a friend sold last September...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2cagk6.jpg

Bro-Ham
06-27-13, 07:42 AM
It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top. :)

cadillac kevin
06-27-13, 09:40 AM
It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top. :)

My interior has a higher level of fabulousness then :)

brougham
06-27-13, 09:51 PM
It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top. :)

Id say at least a good 60% of cars I've seen with real wood it has some sort of issues. But agreed, you can't beat the look of it.

cadillac kevin
06-27-13, 10:28 PM
Id say at least a good 60% of cars I've seen with real wood it has some sort of issues. But agreed, you can't beat the look of it.
my friend's 86 jag xj6 sedan (which IMO was a POS when it left the factory) has splintered/ curled/ lifting wood veneer on the console. Rest of the wood still looks pretty nice.
the console in my caddy was pretty rough when I got it too (and it was solid wood, not just veneer)- the finish was completely gone off pretty much the whole piece and the passengers side panel near the stack is rough from wear and tear.

lacville78
07-04-13, 02:30 AM
I'm sitting here smoking a pipe, and I just noticed the answer is right in front of my face. Briar wood is the way to go. It is meant to expand and contract due to heat and cold, many, many times. It also has a very nice grain pattern. You could park the car in the hottest climate then hop in and turn the A/C to maximum and the temperature swing would be nothing compared to grabbing a briar pipe off the shelf and using it to smoke with. This makes me think that Briar would be the way to go.

SafariOne
07-04-13, 03:24 AM
Case in point..... the choice for real wood has to be done with much thought in mind. If you want to have the WOW factor you should chose a wood veneer {and solids) that have a very interesting or wild grain. Burl wood, birds eye,tigerwood. That way you will never be bored with the look and neither will your peers. You must finish these woods with high quality clearcoats such as Superthanes or Sparvarnish. This will ensure that the life and the sparkle will endure as these finishes are produced for outdoor use. The use of high quality contact cement is also advised for the installation process, such as Cabinetmaker grade contact. These contact cements are bullet proof and will withstand being put in the outdoor environment without breakdown. Prep. as you all know is everything, but you will not regret the time spent and the smiles you will get over the years. In my estimation it will never be a waste of time or money. And what's wrong with a one of a kind interior.

jamespowers
07-04-13, 03:25 AM
I'm sitting here smoking a pipe, and I just noticed the answer is right in front of my face. Briar wood is the way to go. It is meant to expand and contract due to heat and cold, many, many times. It also has a very nice grain pattern. You could park the car in the hottest climate then hop in and turn the A/C to maximum and the temperature swing would be nothing compared to grabbing a briar pipe off the shelf and using it to smoke with. This makes me think that Briar would be the way to go.

Another pipe smoker eh? Good idea there.