: Delay when turning car off and opening door



Relate27
06-17-13, 10:12 AM
So typically when I turn the car off and open the door, almost instantly my steering wheel goes up and my seat adjusts to a lower level making it easier to get out of my car. Over the past 2 weeks I have noticed a delay now and I am wondering what could be causing it and if anyone else had this same experience. RIght now it's anywhere from a 5 second delay to 1 minute delay , most times I just get frustrated with waiting for my steering wheel to adjust and manually move it up before exiting the car.

Is the battery in my FOB going out, I'm not really sure why that would cause the issue I'm having but I honestly can't think of anything to cause the issue. Thanks for your help !

carter's_sts
06-17-13, 11:06 AM
That's weird. I haven't heard of that one in the forum before.

Good luck.

Cadillac Cust Svc
06-17-13, 01:41 PM
So typically when I turn the car off and open the door, almost instantly my steering wheel goes up and my seat adjusts to a lower level making it easier to get out of my car. Over the past 2 weeks I have noticed a delay now and I am wondering what could be causing it and if anyone else had this same experience. RIght now it's anywhere from a 5 second delay to 1 minute delay , most times I just get frustrated with waiting for my steering wheel to adjust and manually move it up before exiting the car.

Is the battery in my FOB going out, I'm not really sure why that would cause the issue I'm having but I honestly can't think of anything to cause the issue. Thanks for your help !

Hello Relate27,

I apologize for this malfunction with your vehicle you are experiencing. I am unable to offer technical advice, because I am not a certified technician. We rely on our dealerships for their technical expertise. If you would like help in setting up a nearby dealership appointment, please let me know. We can further discuss your issue if you private message me. Be sure to include your contact information, VIN and current mileage.

Regards,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Service

ddalder
06-17-13, 01:58 PM
When you open your door does the stereo shut off immediately, or is there a delay with that also?

Relate27
06-17-13, 03:11 PM
The stereo shuts off immediately. I took a crappy video of the delay, it's dark but you can hear the door open and notice the delay. Typically once the door is open the steering wheel and seat adjust instantly no delay. ALSO that is a short delay, it does go longer like up to a minute sometimes, this has only been happening recently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dIxiNlSbbk&feature=em-upload_owner#action=share

ddalder
06-17-13, 05:26 PM
This is unusual behaviour. I was originally thinking about an intermittent switch or wiring related to the door latch mechanism (this detects when the door is ajar and will trigger the stereo to shut down, seat/column to reposition, etc). Since the stereo shuts down immediately, I don't believe this will be the source of your problem. Since it involves both the seat and the column, I suspect it's not just a simple (common) connection problem. Because most aftermarket scan tools have limited or no ability to get into body (non-engine/transmission) codes, this may require a visit to a dealership or shop with a Tech2. You can try disconnecting the battery and touching the cables together briefly. The accepted standard practice is to disconnect the negative first and reconnect the negative last. This has been know to correct erroneous problems on occasion.

Relate27
06-17-13, 06:33 PM
Thanks for the replies ddalder I appreciate the advice. I guess I can try and disconnect the battery and see what happens. Before I do that did I read correctly that once the battery cables are disconnected you touch the battery wires together ?

curtc
06-17-13, 06:38 PM
Yes. Touch them together, this will reset the various modules in the car. I was very hesitant to do it myself but it doesn't hurt a thing. I actually have to do this in my own STS from time to time to get my audio system to work again. It just randomly stops working once in a while, hasn't done it for some time now (knock on wood) though...But, the battery method does the trick each and every time.

ddalder
06-17-13, 06:44 PM
Yes, that's correct. Most modules will have capacitors installed across the ground & +12V supply to assist in filtering electrical noise. These can hold a charge and touching the cables will cause them to discharge. This ensures the modules will completely reset. The modules themselves should drain whatever charge these capacitors may briefly hold, but it is an extra step to ensure they discharge fully.

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I questioned a GM dealership service manager once about this. The modules should draw enough current that doing this isn't necessary and the capacitors should discharge quickly on their own (unless they are quite large). He advised me that it didn't seem to make a great deal of sense to them either since the modules are always active and drawing power, but their GM Technical Assistance Center (the place technicians call for assistance) advises them to do this and it does occasionally work.

EChas3
06-17-13, 08:12 PM
You may have to recalibrate the Express Windows but I haven't. The procedure is in the owners manual and takes a minute.

Maximln
06-28-13, 11:26 PM
I am having the exact same problem. 75% of the time, everything works fine. When I open the door, the steering wheel immediately moves up & back. Recently, when I open the door, nothing happens for a few seconds or longer. It's like the computer does not know the door is open. Cars used to have a little switch to operate the interior lights, key buzzer, etc. There must be something in the door that tells the car it is open but it must be integral to the latch or something because I cannot find one.

ddalder
06-28-13, 11:45 PM
I am having the exact same problem. 75% of the time, everything works fine. When I open the door, the steering wheel immediately moves up & back. Recently, when I open the door, nothing happens for a few seconds or longer. It's like the computer does not know the door is open. Cars used to have a little switch to operate the interior lights, key buzzer, etc. There must be something in the door that tells the car it is open but it must be integral to the latch or something because I cannot find one.
Yes, these are integral to the latch assembly on many 2000+ GM vehicles and pretty much everything current day.

Maximln
06-28-13, 11:53 PM
So in order to fix the issue, you have to replace the latch assembly?

Thanks,

Max

ddalder
06-29-13, 12:01 AM
So in order to fix the issue, you have to replace the latch assembly?
Yes, if that's the problem. In the case identified by the OP, when the door was opened, the stereo immediately shut off despite the fact that the exit position was not immediately set. This suggests that in at least that case, the problem is elsewhere.

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I would definitely make some other checks before ordering a new latch assembly.

EChas3
06-29-13, 12:27 AM
OP didn't post a response to the system reset.

Hey Relate! Did it help?

dkozloski
06-29-13, 02:16 AM
Some cars have multiple door switches. One shows that the door handle has been moved. Others show the door has been cracked for the alarm chimes. Another triggers the interior lights. I'd be studying wiring diagrams.

Maximln
06-29-13, 03:03 PM
I think that is a great idea! I should have thought of that. I even have the service manuals! :)

Max


Some cars have multiple door switches. One shows that the door handle has been moved. Others show the door has been cracked for the alarm chimes. Another triggers the interior lights. I'd be studying wiring diagrams.

dkozloski
06-29-13, 05:02 PM
This is not a simple deal. It is not a simple response to a switch connection at the end of a wire. It is digital data on a data bus that goes through multiple data modules. There is no way to trouble shoot it without a TECHII to establish conditions and check for appropriate responses. Trying to trace it through wiring diagrams is like wiping your butt with a hoop; there is no end to it.

EChas3
06-29-13, 05:17 PM
:)

The shop manual might be informative on the idea of multiple triggers for an open drivers door.

dkozloski
06-29-13, 09:14 PM
:)

The shop manual might be informative on the idea of multiple triggers for an open drivers door.FSM shows a switch as part of the door handle that goes to the IPC and then by data bus to everywhere. There are pages of troubleshooting tests for steering wheel tilt and telescope all of which require a TECH II.

Relate27
07-01-13, 11:32 AM
OP didn't post a response to the system reset.

Hey Relate! Did it help?

Long story short my car has been in the body shop since the 21st so I have not had time to deal with it. My car is going back into the body shop today or tomorrow since it was just hit again.

EChas3
07-02-13, 01:26 AM
Hit twice in a month and weird BS besides? Unload that crap and get an STS that works - V6's need not apply.

Relate27
07-02-13, 01:01 PM
Hit twice in a month and weird BS besides? Unload that crap and get an STS that works - V6's need not apply.


Lol I think you may be right! but I almost hate to get rid of this car now that it's going to have a new paint job on the front and rear after being hit twice lol.. I did see a 06 sts v in San Antonio that caught my eye..

I actually made time yesterday to disconnect my battery and touched the cables together. I am still having a delay when opening my door. So unfortunately the battery trick did not work for me. Thanks aeveryone for the replies and advice, looks like it's time to take in.

Cadillac Cust Svc
07-02-13, 06:42 PM
Hello Relate27,

Thank you for keeping us updated concerning your issue! If you would like any assistance working with the dealership, please be sure to private message us. Please continue to keep us updated about this issue!

Gregory W.
Cadillac Customer Care

EChas3
07-02-13, 11:13 PM
So resetting all the systems didn't clear whatever is the si=ource of this... I think DD is right. This is going to take some deep investigation with a Tech II by someone who knows how to use it.