: Trading a C6Z06 for a CTS-V?



sublime1996525
06-13-13, 08:21 PM
Hey guys first post. I just drove a 2010 V last weekend and really loved it! I'm seriously considering trading my C6Z06 for a CTS-V. Who here has done this? Any regrets? What do you guys think the odds are of trading an 06 Z06 straight across for a CTS-V?

spearfish25
06-13-13, 09:20 PM
Well, I think you'll love the V. But you have to figure out for yourself if that's a swap you want to make. You'll obviously be giving up performance in return for a bit more utility. If you're just looking to go fast, stay with your current ride. You may be able to do a direct swap if the dealer can still make money off your Z06.

Crystal Red CTS-V
06-13-13, 09:37 PM
Love both my '11 Z06/07 and V Coupe. Both fast cars (Z06 is slightly faster) and V is very thirsty compared to the Z06. All depends on what you're looking for and willing to give up.

StoneCrab
06-13-13, 09:58 PM
I had an 09 V sedan and a 11 Z06/07 (Carbon). I had them both on the track for HPDE days. The Z was faster/quicker but not a huge amount, especially on the street. The Z is much more raw, aggressive, and sounds better. The V is fast and comfortable, but heavy and not as nimble as the Z. The magnetic suspension is magical though, and compared to your 06Z I think you would find the handling in the V pretty darn good. If you are looking to go fast and/or have a pure sports car experience keep the Z. If you want some practicality and more comfort, but still have a very fast car get the V. I am strongly considering getting back into a V wagon.

Sure you could trade even your 06 Z for a 09-11 V, depending on miles and condition of both.

elevated
06-13-13, 10:13 PM
My Z06 felt significantly more faster, not sure how you guys are saying slightly! Much better instant torque with the n/a motor. Not saying my V is slow, but just a tribute to how great the Z is.

StoneCrab
06-13-13, 10:28 PM
My Z06 felt significantly more faster, not sure how you guys are saying slightly! Much better instant torque with the n/a motor. Not saying my V is slow, but just a tribute to how great the Z is.

Yeah the Z was for sure faster and quicker, and on the track I'd agree it was significantly faster due to better handling, less weight, better braking. On the street, depending on the circumstance, the V and Z are more similar. Low RPM pulls for example, the V generates more torque. My 11 Z07 has the carbon ceramic brakes, and they are absolutely ridiculous. That braking advantage (and less weight) would let it kill a V on a road course. I expect V3 will have carbon brakes as an option, as they are tremendous on the track (just don't crack a rotor, they are not cheap!).

sublime1996525
06-13-13, 10:47 PM
Thank you for the replies. Keep them coming guys! I have had a C5Z and now the C6Z so I think I'm just ready to try something different. The gas mileage is a bit of a concern for me. It's awesome being able to get close to 30mpg on the highway in a 505 hp car!

Mr. Hyde
06-14-13, 06:24 AM
I owned a C6Z06 for about 4 years, loved it! Did the usual mods..Borla, K&N, wheels tires etc...Then sold it to invest in my growing business thinking that later on, the business will buy me a replacement.
In the mean time I bought a 3.6 CTS Coupe, ordered it with a manual tranny. Nice car, but not enough to satisfy the need for speed.
Enter my new CTS-V Coupe!
Not a replacement for the Z...but a good COMPROMISE. The Z is raw and a beast, the V won't touch it. But, lightness is a two edged sword.

With the V I get all the comforts and sound insulation that the Z lacked, but only about 90% of the performance, and on the street that 10% won't be missed.
BTW...my old CTS with the manual, suppossedly Cadillac only made 65 of them in 2011, and it was all but IMPOSSIBLE to sell! After over three weeks having it listed on several sites, I had ZERO responses. Had to finally trade it in on the V. Sad....now I know why none of the Caddy dealerships would have one in their inventory.

Random84
06-14-13, 07:11 AM
Everyone else pretty much hit up the comparisons already - The Z06 is a beast of a car and the CTSV is a fantastic compromise; but at the end of the day it's still a luxurious compromise relative to the Corvette. IMHO you'll never "trade even" on anything from a dealer.

I figure you'll at least have to shell out a few grand for the privilege regardless. 06Z06's will probably get you a trade in around high $30's, the CTSV will probably be priced in the mid to high $40's; how much depends on the condition/mileage of the vehicles and your negotiating tactics. But on close trades like this, the Con Artist - I mean the dealer - will probably give you a trade in value close to or even below KBB, and offer up recent "auction" prices to prove their point. :D

I'd wager you'll be writing a $4-5K check (hey, the salesman's kids have to eat, too!). :D

sublime1996525
06-14-13, 10:11 AM
Random, this is pretty much what I was thinking. The dealer will want a few dollars but I'm hoping I will get lucky. Or maybe I'll find a private seller willing to trade.

RaVeNous
06-14-13, 10:47 AM
Before I was looking at a CTS-V, the Z06 C6 was very high on the list.

I owned a C5 previously and loved the car. I think my issue with the C6 is, it just wasn't enough of an upgrade as a platform. The interior of the C5 is just old looking. The C6 barely improved on it in 2008 where it finally got somewhat of a refresh - stil it lacks where a $50,000 car shouldn't. Perhaps it seems stupid to discuss interior and features on a performance car, but I don't have the room or the money for multiple vehicles, so whatever I buy is my only car. This means I will spend a lot of time inside of the car. The interior comfort is something I look for and appreciate. The Cadillac sacrifices a little bit of performance for a lot of comfort.

Besides the interior, I drive my car in the winter, even when I've had a beater car for really bad weather. The corvette even with snow tires, because of its low ground clearance was a nightmare in snow, though they do much better than they are given credit for.

Lastly, I like having a back seat. That was a pain with the corvette. The CTS though not huge has a usable back seat, and with a large trunk and full passthrough seat you can't get large items inside of the car. Even with the CTS coupe this is true.

I love both cars. Had the C6 received a major interior upgrade with seats like the Cadillac, it would have been a harder decision. Right now I like the balance of a smooth quiet ride to brute force. I've spend enough time in rough riding loud cars and basically am over it!

Cadillac Cust Svc
06-14-13, 11:59 AM
Hey guys first post. I just drove a 2010 V last weekend and really loved it! I'm seriously considering trading my C6Z06 for a CTS-V. Who here has done this? Any regrets? What do you guys think the odds are of trading an 06 Z06 straight across for a CTS-V?

Hello sublime1996525,

Welcome to the forum! I see the interactions you have already had with other forum members. They are giving some great insight on your situation. Good luck on finding the right vehicle for you! If there are other questions or any concerns you have, don't hesitate to reach out to us!

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Service

thebigjimsho
06-14-13, 12:55 PM
Thank you for the replies. Keep them coming guys! I have had a C5Z and now the C6Z so I think I'm just ready to try something different. The gas mileage is a bit of a concern for me. It's awesome being able to get close to 30mpg on the highway in a 505 hp car!

If it is truly of a concern, DON'T GET THE V! On my V1, I had a tall 6th that allowed me over 25 mpg if I wanted. The V2 will never get you any decent mpg even if you try.

So get that out of your head if you truly want a V. The rest of us all have(well, except for a couple, haha)...

Jinx
06-14-13, 02:06 PM
I traded a 2005 Z51 in on a new CTS-V wagon. I've had the V for almost three weeks now.

I miss the driving position -- exotically low and laid-out, distinctly behind the center of mass, with what feels like the whole car in front of you.

I know this sounds crazy, but I miss getting in and out of it -- once you figure it out, it's an easy graceful thing, like a kinetic password. The CTS-V is a boring upright sedan complicated by a tall-but-highly-bolstered sport seat set for a good driving position. I seriously need to do some research and development this weekend on entry and exit because I feel like a recurring sitcom joke right now.

I do not miss the ride. The Z51 never bothered me, but the Cadillac provides a much better executive summary of what's going on down there.

I do not miss the sounds of the engine at rest or in motion. (You with a Z06 might, though.) The Cadillac is quieter but deeper-sounding inside, and has a nice burble outside. My mom just sent me this email after my last visit: "It's too bad that you can't hear the sound of your car when you start it up. It just sounds so powerful from outside the car." (I told her I can put the windows down whenever I want more.)

I definitely don't miss the road noise. The Vette is a great GT except for that constant gray noise, the aural equivalent of carrying a backpack around all day. The V isn't the quietest luxury car, but the difference in conscious annoyance and subconscious stress is much greater than magazine decibel ratings would suggest. I'm really looking forward to my first road trip.

Objectively the CTS-V performance is the same as my old Vette, and I'm still getting used to being high and in the front seat of a long heavy car, so I can't comment on how big that minus is going to feel to you. I can say there is a giddy feeling to hustling a luxury sedan. The fun is amplified by the fact that (on the surface) it's out of character. I hope that feeling lasts.

I never found the Vette impractical. Sure, I can put a bicycle in the back of my car now, and I can take more than one person to lunch, but the Vette fit my life just fine. In fact, it was more practical in one way: I could load/unload the cargo area from the side. Now I have to choose between backing into my parking space or using the cargo area.

I switched because it was really my last chance to make a lateral move out of a Corvette into something different. I was afraid once I got a taste of the C7 I'd have to settle for something significantly slower to get out of sports cars and I worried that would cast a pall of regret over any such move. So I don't really know what to tell you except good luck with whatever you decide.

.Jinx
Also, because a 556hp manual wagon that's as fast as a Corvette with truly distinctive styling is exactly the kind of thing that every car guy says they'd love but almost nobody actually buys. I decided I'd rather make a mistake than forever wonder what it might have been like to be the guy who actually bought one.

sublime1996525
06-14-13, 02:16 PM
Jinx thanks for the good comparison!

elevated
06-14-13, 10:23 PM
Gas mileage is no joke. Car is super thirsty!

spearfish25
06-14-13, 11:02 PM
Gas mileage is no joke. Car is super thirsty!

I kind of nervous chuckle every time I fill up the tank and my range is under 200 miles.

sublime1996525
06-15-13, 12:05 AM
I kind of nervous chuckle every time I fill up the tank and my range is under 200 miles.
Haha yeah I'm sure that's kind of an awkward moment.

texasnoiz
06-15-13, 09:34 AM
I traded a 2005 Z51 in on a new CTS-V wagon. I've had the V for almost three weeks now.

I miss the driving position -- exotically low and laid-out, distinctly behind the center of mass, with what feels like the whole car in front of you.

I know this sounds crazy, but I miss getting in and out of it -- once you figure it out, it's an easy graceful thing, like a kinetic password. The CTS-V is a boring upright sedan complicated by a tall-but-highly-bolstered sport seat set for a good driving position. I seriously need to do some research and development this weekend on entry and exit because I feel like a recurring sitcom joke right now.

I do not miss the ride. The Z51 never bothered me, but the Cadillac provides a much better executive summary of what's going on down there.

I do not miss the sounds of the engine at rest or in motion. (You with a Z06 might, though.) The Cadillac is quieter but deeper-sounding inside, and has a nice burble outside. My mom just sent me this email after my last visit: "It's too bad that you can't hear the sound of your car when you start it up. It just sounds so powerful from outside the car." (I told her I can put the windows down whenever I want more.)

I definitely don't miss the road noise. The Vette is a great GT except for that constant gray noise, the aural equivalent of carrying a backpack around all day. The V isn't the quietest luxury car, but the difference in conscious annoyance and subconscious stress is much greater than magazine decibel ratings would suggest. I'm really looking forward to my first road trip.

Objectively the CTS-V performance is the same as my old Vette, and I'm still getting used to being high and in the front seat of a long heavy car, so I can't comment on how big that minus is going to feel to you. I can say there is a giddy feeling to hustling a luxury sedan. The fun is amplified by the fact that (on the surface) it's out of character. I hope that feeling lasts.

I never found the Vette impractical. Sure, I can put a bicycle in the back of my car now, and I can take more than one person to lunch, but the Vette fit my life just fine. In fact, it was more practical in one way: I could load/unload the cargo area from the side. Now I have to choose between backing into my parking space or using the cargo area.

I switched because it was really my last chance to make a lateral move out of a Corvette into something different. I was afraid once I got a taste of the C7 I'd have to settle for something significantly slower to get out of sports cars and I worried that would cast a pall of regret over any such move. So I don't really know what to tell you except good luck with whatever you decide.

.Jinx
Also, because a 556hp manual wagon that's as fast as a Corvette with truly distinctive styling is exactly the kind of thing that every car guy says they'd love but almost nobody actually buys. I decided I'd rather make a mistake than forever wonder what it might have been like to be the guy who actually bought one.


sad or satisfied?

Trapspeed
06-15-13, 10:25 AM
Edit: Gas mileage is a joke. Car is super thirsty!

For sure. That's the price of admission though. I've accepted it and love every petrol-sucking nanosecond. :)

RaVeNous
06-15-13, 03:17 PM
If it is truly of a concern, DON'T GET THE V! On my V1, I had a tall 6th that allowed me over 25 mpg if I wanted. The V2 will never get you any decent mpg even if you try.

So get that out of your head if you truly want a V. The rest of us all have(well, except for a couple, haha)...

I guess thats what you call ok milage. 20-22 mpg at 70-80mph isn't really bad for this size car. Thats getting to be less the cas with the newer cars, but both my SRT8's made 15-16 / 20-22 so I guess I'm used to the price of the smiles!

Jinx
06-15-13, 03:34 PM
sad or satisfied?

Yes.

Look, I'm a Corvette guy. Fates willing, I'll own another new one or two or three before I'm dead. If I'm really lucky I'll die while driving one on a lonely mountain road and just roll off into a ravine, and they'll spread my ashes on that last corner.

And on a certain level, I can't advocate anyone giving up a Corvette for a CTS-V. (Especially a Z06 and its last-of-the-big-cubes LS7.) The Corvette is a sports car, are you nuts? You don't give that up unless you have to, man.

Or unless you're just not a sports car guy. (I like to think a lot more would be if they tried it.)
Or unless you're a deep-in-your-bones car guy and you want to experience a great Cadillac with an unfair helping of best-and-brightest industry car-guy attention.

Though in that last case, if you think you can afford it and you're not set on a coupe or wagon, I suggest you bide your time and get a third-generation CTS-V. I think that will be the zenith of this second golden age of muscle.

So...
I'm sad that I don't have my Corvette anymore. (I especially miss my sound system, but I'll cry about that on another day.)
I'm satisfied that I have a new and special vehicular experience. It's a little early yet to say that the CTS-V gives me the satisfaction of owning a car that fits me and works great, but based on what I've read from the regulars here, I'm not worried.

.Jinx

Cadillac Cust Svc
06-17-13, 12:52 PM
Yes.

Look, I'm a Corvette guy. Fates willing, I'll own another new one or two or three before I'm dead. If I'm really lucky I'll die while driving one on a lonely mountain road and just roll off into a ravine, and they'll spread my ashes on that last corner.

And on a certain level, I can't advocate anyone giving up a Corvette for a CTS-V. (Especially a Z06 and its last-of-the-big-cubes LS7.) The Corvette is a sports car, are you nuts? You don't give that up unless you have to, man.

Or unless you're just not a sports car guy. (I like to think a lot more would be if they tried it.)
Or unless you're a deep-in-your-bones car guy and you want to experience a great Cadillac with an unfair helping of best-and-brightest industry car-guy attention.

Though in that last case, if you think you can afford it and you're not set on a coupe or wagon, I suggest you bide your time and get a third-generation CTS-V. I think that will be the zenith of this second golden age of muscle.

So...
I'm sad that I don't have my Corvette anymore. (I especially miss my sound system, but I'll cry about that on another day.)
I'm satisfied that I have a new and special vehicular experience. It's a little early yet to say that the CTS-V gives me the satisfaction of owning a car that fits me and works great, but based on what I've read from the regulars here, I'm not worried.

.Jinx

Hi Jinx,

I see you are passionate about the Corvette! Those are such beauties, so I totally understand. I am happy the Cadillac CTS-V is satisfying you, and sounds like positive things you hear from other owners and Cadillac lovers about the vehicle. I hope you continue to enjoy the CTS-V!

Regards,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Service

TheDarkKnight
06-17-13, 02:04 PM
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06-17-13, 03:51 PM
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