: Update at 4k miles / BNR Tune thoughts



breakaway87
06-13-13, 04:03 PM
Hey guys, posted only a few times but wanted to give some updates on my Black Raven 2.0T AT RWD Luxury.

I've had the bnr trifecta tune since break in and while I do like it, I don't feel like it is enough. While comparing Apples to Oranges I had a 2010 Mustang GT before the ATS and when I got it Bamatuned it was a massive difference in throttle response and torque, as well as just the overall feel was way better.

The BNR tune is noticeable but not as great as I had hoped to feel. I have not dyno'ed my car. I tried the AT retune but I didn't like it because of the sloppy, hard shifts. BNR said they could tweak it blind and try to get it better but I've taken it off for now.

The reason I took it off is actually because on start up 3-400 miles ago my ATS would not stay on, I got the reduced engine power message, and check engine light. I flashed my car back to stock (luckily I work at a dealership so I used a car here and ran to my house to grab my laptop) and it worked fine.

I have since flashed the ECU back without the tranny and it is working okay now.

I have been using torque-bhp pro for android to try and get an idea on what kind of power I'm making but the best I can muster fiddling with settings and everything is showing 181 RWTQ at 5k RPM and 181 RWHP at 5k rpm. The highest boost from torque-bhp pro I get is 18 PSI. My settings may not be right but that's what I've gotten. The other thing I forgot which I will update is some numbers from stock data.



Lastly something interesting is that GM's global warranty management does not list the reduced engine power issue. I do have two events that happened, Active Grille Aero Shutter Malfunction in April and an Engine Overheat condition yesterday during the torque-bhp runs from yesterday.


Anyone else using torque-bhp pro, the BNR tune, and some results?

mikesul
06-13-13, 04:51 PM
When I was running the tune I got a DynoJet dyno increase of 28 rwhp and 45 lb/ft torque. Did noticeably spool up quicker.

donavo
06-13-13, 05:09 PM
Hey guys, posted only a few times but wanted to give some updates on my Black Raven 2.0T AT RWD Luxury.

I've had the bnr trifecta tune since break in and while I do like it, I don't feel like it is enough. While comparing Apples to Oranges I had a 2010 Mustang GT before the ATS and when I got it Bamatuned it was a massive difference in throttle response and torque, as well as just the overall feel was way better.

The BNR tune is noticeable but not as great as I had hoped to feel. I have not dyno'ed my car. I tried the AT retune but I didn't like it because of the sloppy, hard shifts. BNR said they could tweak it blind and try to get it better but I've taken it off for now.

The reason I took it off is actually because on start up 3-400 miles ago my ATS would not stay on, I got the reduced engine power message, and check engine light. I flashed my car back to stock (luckily I work at a dealership so I used a car here and ran to my house to grab my laptop) and it worked fine.

I have since flashed the ECU back without the tranny and it is working okay now.

I have been using torque-bhp pro for android to try and get an idea on what kind of power I'm making but the best I can muster fiddling with settings and everything is showing 181 RWTQ at 5k RPM and 181 RWHP at 5k rpm. The highest boost from torque-bhp pro I get is 18 PSI. My settings may not be right but that's what I've gotten. The other thing I forgot which I will update is some numbers from stock data.



Lastly something interesting is that GM's global warranty management does not list the reduced engine power issue. I do have two events that happened, Active Grille Aero Shutter Malfunction in April and an Engine Overheat condition yesterday during the torque-bhp runs from yesterday.


Anyone else using torque-bhp pro, the BNR tune, and some results?

thats funny cuz i havent flashed the tune yet and completely stock, on 91 octane, with the torque-pro app i got 200 RWHP one time. and 186 RWHP another time. this is all 100% stock. i just have an exhaust but i doubt that makes any difference. as far as boost goes, ive never gone over 16 psi with said app.

romanats
06-13-13, 05:15 PM
to be honest sometimes i leave the car in turing mode and it hrdley feels slower. The tune is ok but would definetely like to feel more responce. I am sure BMR can update the file and send it out to us . it should not be a big deal. Especially if GM claims new Regal and malibu will have 295 tq from the factory.

frankc5r
06-13-13, 08:37 PM
I have used the torque pro ap and it was ok but not supported very well and am not convinced the data is always correct. I have 2 other devices with much better results.Both gave same data as my old dashhawk. The one I like best is the Dashboss which is a OBDII Bluetooth plugin that talks to most any Apple device like iphone, ipad or ipod. It can log and better yet u can view on plot on device, email data, plot out on paper with Datplot. Your boost levels are low. u should see 21 -22 psi and ushould look for the "delivered torque" pid on torque pro and log it. It is a very accurate calc of torque and I am seeing 335 ft# with some spikes higher and car is a rocket.

donavo
06-13-13, 08:45 PM
to be honest sometimes i leave the car in turing mode and it hrdley feels slower. The tune is ok but would definetely like to feel more responce. I am sure BMR can update the file and send it out to us . it should not be a big deal. Especially if GM claims new Regal and malibu will have 295 tq from the factory.

maybe u can get BNR to give u a more aggressive tune? im currently in the process of asking for it but it doesnt seem as smooth as i expected. still no straight answer. but hopefully they get me a more aggressive tune for 94 octane or 95. i plan to run a mix of 91 and 100 at all times with a minimum of 95.

Siren05
06-14-13, 09:28 AM
For me it's a simple flash as far as results go. I'm now getting a taste of what I NEED!
I believe heat soak plays an issue. This engine runs hot. WOW!

I regularly check my oil and I'm amazed at the heat coming off the motor.
Bigger intercooler may help but I don't know?

This tune is a great place to begin SAFELY. also it has been said that removing the stock downpipe is a
Passive mod but IMO its right after the turbo. So it must be a huge source of restriction and heat?.

With a tune + bigger front mount intercooler+ catted high flow downpipe or catless = this is where you feel a solid 80-100 tq gain. If the injectors can handle it an intake too! Don't know where they will max out?
Tuners?

mikesul
06-14-13, 11:12 AM
Pfadt, in an earlier post, said they gained 15 hp with the downpipe on a stock engine. This is the type of incremental increase I am looking for. Add in the front mounted I-C and a retune and the power will be there. :)

turbo2.0
06-14-13, 12:02 PM
I agree with you that the BNR tune is not mind blowing, the car falls on its face around 5k. I am currently looking for the next big thing.

BNRacing
06-14-13, 11:40 PM
Is it hot where you guys are? These cars are really affected by heat and elevation, I mean I'll put it this way, my LNF Cobalt SS will burn the tires off it all the way to 3rd in the winter, but in the summer it will only chirp 2nd gear. We get people calling all the time during the winter telling us how amazing the car is and then they call us during the summer and say they think the tune is gone from the car. The stock intercooler on these things is garbage for high boost, they heat soak so quickly, and once they get hot they pull timing. I think PFADT needs to release that intercooler quick!

b4z
06-14-13, 11:46 PM
Is it hot where you guys are? These cars are really affected by heat and elevation, I mean I'll put it this way, my LNF Cobalt SS will burn the tires off it all the way to 3rd in the winter, but in the summer it will only chirp 2nd gear. We get people calling all the time during the winter telling us how amazing the car is and then they call us during the summer and say they think the tune is gone from the car. The stock intercooler on these things is garbage for high boost, they heat soak so quickly, and once they get hot they pull timing. I think PFADT needs to release that intercooler quick!

The temp has a lot to do with it but if you are running high performance summer tires they have no traction below 5o degrees. My GTO will do the same thing and its naturally aspirated.

BNRacing
06-15-13, 12:43 AM
I know that, I'm talking mid 60s, maybe low 70s here in south FL. Hell even at night during the summer it's a whole different car. These factory turbo cars just don't go when it gets real hot outside.

mikesul
06-15-13, 10:39 AM
The engine compartment does get very warm with the boosted engine and turbo churning out heat. Can't pull the oil dipstick without a rag. Could use an aftermarket louvered hood to extract that heat. Does the performance 2.0T manual come with an oil cooler? Anyone? Larger FMIC isn't going to reduce this heat, just the charged air.

Siren05
06-15-13, 12:25 PM
The engine compartment does get very warm with the boosted engine and turbo churning out heat. Can't pull the oil dipstick without a rag. Could use an aftermarket louvered hood to extract that heat. Does the performance 2.0T manual come with an oil cooler? Anyone? Larger FMIC isn't going to reduce this heat, just the charged air.

Bingo! Reduced charged air temps FTW

turbo2.0
06-15-13, 12:47 PM
it was a 70 degree day for me

BNRacing
06-15-13, 04:30 PM
it was a 70 degree day for me

What grade fuel are you using? If you're not using premium the car won't make as much power. Maybe send me a fresh data log?

breakaway87
06-19-13, 11:23 PM
Good point. I'm in NC and it has been 80s for awhile. As far as fuel grade for me I run 93. When I had my 2010 mustang gt tuned a 90+ day would definitely be noticeable.

Speaking of those using to torque pro, what settings do you use? I'm using 3500 lbs, 2.0l obviously, 85% ve (the default), 0 boost adjustment, faster connection, using a bluetooth dongle.

Also I don't have a delivered torque pid, is that one I need to add and how do I?

Siren05
06-21-13, 03:12 PM
Quick update. I just flashed my update from BNR and wow. My ATS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
Off the line she rips. I punched it in 3rd gear and wheels spin. I will update tonight with some cold temps.

This was a re flash update from Treifecta. Love it.

Hoosier Daddy
06-21-13, 05:01 PM
Quick update. I just flashed my update from BNR and wow. My ATS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
Off the line she rips. I punched it in 3rd gear and wheels spin. I will update tonight with some cold temps.

This was a re flash update from Treifecta. Love it.
Good to hear.

I'd be interested in knowing why the original tune was substandard if BNR or Trifecta can say.

donavo
06-21-13, 05:15 PM
Good to hear.

I'd be interested in knowing why the original tune was substandard if BNR or Trifecta can say.

same here. +1

romanats
06-21-13, 05:25 PM
How did you get an updated File from BMR ?

Siren05
06-21-13, 06:22 PM
How did you get an updated File from BMR ?


Go to group buy thread BNR said certain VIN #s would receive update.

Again car feels dramatically faster now. I'm gonna guess 350+ lbs tq. It wants to growl now

breakaway87
06-21-13, 06:26 PM
Was this part of the logging program? BNR said I was within spec so I didn't get an update. Or is this something different where they are pushing the envelope further (like a version 2) or something?

Siren05
06-21-13, 07:58 PM
^^^^^dunno

Siren05
06-21-13, 09:06 PM
Also bottom right tach now displays what gear I'm in even in Automatic only in tune mode. 2nd gear pulls
Like a beast very strong now! First gear spins at 3/4 throttle now and street roll launch love it now! Very
Linear push wooooh!

frankc5r
06-22-13, 06:47 PM
Also bottom right tach now displays what gear I'm in even in Automatic only in tune mode. 2nd gear pulls
Like a beast very strong now! First gear spins at 3/4 throttle now and street roll launch love it now! Very
Linear push wooooh! Good now u are getting same display I got with my original tune. Check and see if your 4/5 shift at light throttle has a double jump in rpm.My bestpeal torque as reported by BNR was 371 ft # and my Dashboss is 350 pretty common as long as it is not too hot out.f

Fraggy
06-22-13, 08:06 PM
Does the transmission behavior change any? Does the tune improve the all the slip?

KXAM
06-23-13, 03:09 PM
Possible stupid question: why do some of you want to tune or otherwise increase hp/torque in a sedan!? Why not just buy a car with more hp if you have the need for speed! After all,
if you start out with say 250hp and add 10%, big deal, you now only have 275! What is that going to get you in the real world? Why not start out with a higher hp car to begin with?
Is it really fun to beat on a family hauler that may be capable of taking a twisty or two once in awhile. Just asking here guys, no insult intended. I have owned at least 10 Corvettes and
still drive a high hp C6. No way in h**l are you ever going to tune an ATS to ever get close to me. A CTS-V, sure, but not some 4 banger with or without forced induction. I know about
driving high hp, but like I said, why not start out with higher hp. Higher hp cars are not that much more expensive than an ATS. And yes, I recognize the need for a 4 door car, but at least
start out with one that has balls to begin with...okay, flame me if you like!

Hoosier Daddy
06-23-13, 04:27 PM
Possible stupid question
No such thing as a stupid question, just stupid askers. Or did I get that backwards?


why do some of you want to tune or otherwise increase hp/torque in a sedan!?
I'm gonna guess they need or want 4 doors.


Why not just buy a car with more hp if you have the need for speed!
I'm gonna guess virtually nobody here wants to tune for more speed. Anyone who exceeds the car's stock top speed on the road is an idiot. I can tell you don't understand the concept of wanting to improve something. Buying a car with more horsepower, more brakes, more tire, or more cup holders wouldn't change the human desire to improve it.


Is it really fun to beat on a family hauler that may be capable of taking a twisty or two once in awhile. Just asking here guys, no insult intended. I have owned at least 10 Corvettes and still drive a high hp C6.
Why would you want to beat on anything? And a Honda civic can generates more cornering and braking Gs than your C6 does accelerating. So basically accelerating is a bore compared to turning or stopping. I spent a lot of time on 9 and 10 second street machines that did 2.x 0-60s. Even that was a bore compared to turning or stopping.


No way in h**l are you ever going to tune an ATS to ever get close to me.
I'm not going to ask why you think ANYONE would want to get close to you.


okay, flame me if you like!
No thanks, would be too easy to be fun.

Siren05
06-23-13, 07:04 PM
Possible stupid question: why do some of you want to tune or otherwise increase hp/torque in a sedan!? Why not just buy a car with more hp if you have the need for speed! After all,
if you start out with say 250hp and add 10%, big deal, you now only have 275! What is that going to get you in the real world? Why not start out with a higher hp car to begin with?
Is it really fun to beat on a family hauler that may be capable of taking a twisty or two once in awhile. Just asking here guys, no insult intended. I have owned at least 10 Corvettes and
still drive a high hp C6. No way in h**l are you ever going to tune an ATS to ever get close to me. A CTS-V, sure, but not some 4 banger with or without forced induction. I know about
driving high hp, but like I said, why not start out with higher hp. Higher hp cars are not that much more expensive than an ATS. And yes, I recognize the need for a 4 door car, but at least
start out with one that has balls to begin with...okay, flame me if you like!

My little 4 banger Subaru runs with c6s,Porsches ,Ferrari lambos, what ever. Never mind off roading
Mid 3s 0-60
Low 11s quarter mile.

I don't know why you would even belittle yourself by reading a 2.0t tuning review thread.

KXAM
06-23-13, 07:08 PM
Obviously, I left myself open to responses like the above...I did it on purpose! So, there is no answer from Hoosier Daddy as to why some want to get more hp out of an ATS! If So you can go into an s curve with more g's, oh happy day, in a sedan...!! If you don't want to tune for more speed, then why the hell do it? For bragging rights, like a bench racer..now that is stupid! By getting close to me, I meant hp wise, nothing else. What does turning and stopping have to do with increased hp?! Are you implying some ATS owners track their cars??? Then why not buy the V6 ATS...??!!! Most of you must be kids with money looking for I don't know what....
And what, only one know-it-all done-it-all response!!

donavo
06-23-13, 07:20 PM
Obviously, I left myself open to responses like the above...I did it on purpose! So, there is no answer from Hoosier Daddy as to why some want to get more hp out of an ATS! If So you can go into an s curve with more g's, oh happy day, in a sedan...!! If you don't want to tune for more speed, then why the hell do it? For bragging rights, like a bench racer..now that is stupid! By getting close to me, I meant hp wise, nothing else. What does turning and stopping have to do with increased hp?! Are you implying some ATS owners track their cars??? Then why not buy the V6 ATS...??!!! Most of you must be kids with money looking for I don't know what....
And what, only one know-it-all done-it-all response!!

my dick is bigger than urs. therefore im better than u. check-mate.

BNRacing
06-23-13, 07:59 PM
I can stomp on C6's all day in my 4 banger stock turbo cobalt. Anything can be fast. Why hate on guys that want a car more luxurious than your vette but that can still go fast?

donavo
06-23-13, 08:17 PM
anyway, lets let the loser with the small dick run himself out of breath as he and his douche-bag friends drive their poor man's super car, bragging about it on other forums. back to the real gentleman's car.

i installed my tune and while it did seem like it was faster, i still got the same exact 0-60 time as i did before tuning. also, my HP gain was only about ~20 at best. before tuning i saw 200 RWHP and after tuning ive seen 220 RWHP max. boost was up 21 with the tune and 18 without. not sure if there is something wrong with my tune, but it does seem faster in the mid-range.

BNRacing
06-23-13, 08:31 PM
It could be a combination of altitude and heat, but we'll see what Trifecta says.

donavo
06-23-13, 09:11 PM
It could be a combination of altitude and heat, but we'll see what Trifecta says.

both samples were run at roughly 65 degrees. at night. all stock at night i managed to get 7 seconds 0-60 at night with 200 max HP. and with tune, at night same temperature, different day, i did 0-60 slightly slower and made 220 hp. hopefully trifecta says something good lol.

sonny@bnr
06-23-13, 09:47 PM
Did you dyno the car what are you basing your 20hp gain from

donavo
06-23-13, 10:02 PM
Did you dyno the car what are you basing your 20hp gain from

the bluetooth module and an app (im sure its not accurate as a dyno, but accurate or inaccurate, it should be inaccurate the same amount in all tests. so if its off on the first tune-free run and it made 200 inaccurately, then it made 220 with the tune, also inaccurately, the difference is still minimal. and i think thats the same method you guys use to determine the HP gains, correct? when looking at the data log, im sure you have HP indicators.

sonny@bnr
06-23-13, 10:21 PM
No we use dyno's and also the hp and tq readout coming from the ecu
Sometimes the ecu readout isn't correct and then we have to dyno to get accurate hp tq readout

donavo
06-23-13, 10:24 PM
No we use dyno's and also the hp and tq readout coming from the ecu
Sometimes the ecu readout isn't correct and then we have to dyno to get accurate hp tq readout

right. but its not like i only did 2 samples. this was a bunch of runs. the 220 might be inaccurate, but the difference between the 2 tunes should be bigger, regardless of accuracy. am i right to assume that? im just following logic. i dont know much about this to make a final judgement or anything.

sonny@bnr
06-23-13, 10:33 PM
Have you gotten a update from us or did you just install the tune

sonny@bnr
06-23-13, 10:49 PM
The apps aren't accurate, dyno with tune off then on is only way to see real gain

donavo
06-23-13, 11:23 PM
nah i havent gotten any updates. this is the first tune. and yeah dyno would be more accurate, but i do think, even in an inaccurate situation, the gain should be bigger. logically speaking anyway. its not like the app just gives exaggerated high HP when there is no tune, and then dumbed down HP readouts when there is a tune. its probably equally inaccurate in both situations. again, im following logic only, i could be wrong. not saying i know what im talking about at all. just speculating based on my knowledge.

sonny@bnr
06-23-13, 11:35 PM
Did you data log your tune at all and send it in

donavo
06-23-13, 11:45 PM
Did you data log your tune at all and send it in

yeah i sent like 3 logs under the same ticket. no reply on it yet though. i sent them in last night though, and i heard trifecta is closed on sunday so not expecting a reply too soon. my car was in service for a while so i got to instal the tune only recently.

Siren05
06-24-13, 07:57 PM
My ATS is very quick now and pretty sure I hits 60 mph in 2nd.:)

BLitzkrieg
06-25-13, 02:11 PM
Hey guys, posted only a few times but wanted to give some updates on my Black Raven 2.0T AT RWD Luxury.

I've had the bnr trifecta tune since break in and while I do like it, I don't feel like it is enough. While comparing Apples to Oranges I had a 2010 Mustang GT before the ATS and when I got it Bamatuned it was a massive difference in throttle response and torque, as well as just the overall feel was way better.

The BNR tune is noticeable but not as great as I had hoped to feel. I have not dyno'ed my car. I tried the AT retune but I didn't like it because of the sloppy, hard shifts. BNR said they could tweak it blind and try to get it better but I've taken it off for now.

The reason I took it off is actually because on start up 3-400 miles ago my ATS would not stay on, I got the reduced engine power message, and check engine light. I flashed my car back to stock (luckily I work at a dealership so I used a car here and ran to my house to grab my laptop) and it worked fine.

I have since flashed the ECU back without the tranny and it is working okay now.

I have been using torque-bhp pro for android to try and get an idea on what kind of power I'm making but the best I can muster fiddling with settings and everything is showing 181 RWTQ at 5k RPM and 181 RWHP at 5k rpm. The highest boost from torque-bhp pro I get is 18 PSI. My settings may not be right but that's what I've gotten. The other thing I forgot which I will update is some numbers from stock data.



Lastly something interesting is that GM's global warranty management does not list the reduced engine power issue. I do have two events that happened, Active Grille Aero Shutter Malfunction in April and an Engine Overheat condition yesterday during the torque-bhp runs from yesterday.


Anyone else using torque-bhp pro, the BNR tune, and some results?

They blamed this hard shifting on my intake. I called BS due to the flawless performance of the intake with the stock tune....

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Here is a datalog of my car with the Trifecta tune. In the datalog I am showing throttle position, Engine RPM, and Vehicle Speed. The area I circled is the slip/bang transmission shifts I am experiencing under part throttle and Wide Open Throttle (WOT).

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/SlipBang_zps81d8f73a.png

I believed this to be related to TCM tuning with higher line pressures affecting the torque converter lockup. When I brought this to WOT-Tuning, they blamed my intake as the issue. Now there was an initial issue with the intake, but I corrected this issue with flow straighteners next to the MAF sensor. I datalogged before and after the addition of the flow straighteners showing the correction working.

I also was not impressed with the difference in power. Sometimes its there (I guess) and sometimes its not. I too was flipping back and forth with the sport/touring trying to see a difference and it was minimal. The only time it was noticeable is during very cold ambient temperatures 50*F or less. That is when I took this datalog showing the best increases.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/TrifectaTunewithCAI_zpsbfbc0d62.png

Here are some runs I did on the same stretch of road on the same day in the same direction. The first is with the car in Touring mode. The second is with the car in Sport mode.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/ATSStandingStartTouring_zps31f54dda.jpeg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/ATSStandingStartSportjpeg_zps98d6e765.jpg

One other thing I would like to point out is that the transmission tune functions whether the car is in sport or touring. The slip/bang shift occurs in both states. Once again these issues don't happen with the stock tune at all. The car behaves flawlessly.

sonny@bnr
06-25-13, 03:20 PM
The power readings on the cruze app are not accurate at all. It reads 500+tq for my verano turbo lol

Siren05
06-25-13, 07:12 PM
My cobb ACCESS PORT would read 475 hp on my stage 1 flash.

Anyway. Guys my first tune was MEH:/. The updated tune is potent my ATS IS FAST NOW!.im gonna throw her on a mustang dyno and see.this tune now reminds me of my when my STI went from stock to stage 2 on stock engine. Dunno what to think about original TRIFECTA TUNE BUT IN HAPPY NOW

donavo
06-25-13, 07:25 PM
My cobb ACCESS PORT would read 475 hp on my stage 1 flash.

Anyway. Guys my first tune was MEH:/. The updated tune is potent my ATS IS FAST NOW!.im gonna throw her on a mustang dyno and see.this tune now reminds me of my when my STI went from stock to stage 2 on stock engine. Dunno what to think about original TRIFECTA TUNE BUT IN HAPPY NOW

good to hear that its still good for u. mine so far is bad. i partially think thats because i am running high octane gas and the tune is made for 91? no idea. i put 100 octane mainly cuz i was worried and wanted to be as safe as possible when i installed the tune.

Siren05
06-25-13, 08:38 PM
good to hear that its still good for u. mine so far is bad. i partially think thats because i am running high octane gas and the tune is made for 91? no idea. i put 100 octane mainly cuz i was worried and wanted to be as safe as possible when i installed the tune.

I'm gonna datalog first and see trifecta says. I'm running 94 only and now my front end stands up on pulls
:)

frankc5r
06-25-13, 09:49 PM
I'm gonna datalog first and see trifecta says. I'm running 94 only and now my front end stands up on pulls
:)Same thing. When mine is showing 350ft# on Dashboss, the front end lifts hard.

roadpie4u
06-25-13, 10:16 PM
Lastly something interesting is that GM's global warranty management does not list the reduced engine power issue. I do have two events that happened, Active Grille Aero Shutter Malfunction in April and an Engine Overheat condition yesterday during the torque-bhp runs from yesterday.
I've been curious about the global warranty management program as I've never had the chance to really find white papers about it and what it does in the case of an individual vehicle - but I find it interesting that it can see things like malfunctions, overheats etc (which I'm actually curious what shows up on my car) but it doesn't record/detect flashing of the ECU? Seems like an oversight, no?

breakaway87
06-26-13, 11:04 AM
I don't have full service permissions since I am in sales but the IVR portion of GWM doesn't show anything except high level stuff really. Open issues and history regarding the car whether it be recalls or stuff OnStar has found. Also shows if the warranty is voided, when it was delivered and PDI'ed, etc.

Stevo Supremo
06-26-13, 12:22 PM
Obviously, I left myself open to responses like the above...I did it on purpose! So, there is no answer from Hoosier Daddy as to why some want to get more hp out of an ATS! If So you can go into an s curve with more g's, oh happy day, in a sedan...!! If you don't want to tune for more speed, then why the hell do it? For bragging rights, like a bench racer..now that is stupid! By getting close to me, I meant hp wise, nothing else. What does turning and stopping have to do with increased hp?! Are you implying some ATS owners track their cars??? Then why not buy the V6 ATS...??!!! Most of you must be kids with money looking for I don't know what....
And what, only one know-it-all done-it-all response!!

I do track my ATS and I'm right on the V's heels on the corners and I'll have you know I was taking in the CTS's left right and center.

Theirs nothing wrong with 4bangers anyways, hell F1 is developing 600+hp 4cyl engines. Theirs Cobalt SS turbo's that were running with C6's and stomping mustangs with little issue.

I think you're a goof and if you knew ANYTHING about the capabilities of these new generation turbo 4's you wouldn't even be asking why we'd want more power from them. Because with a simple tune you can stick it to the 6 with no issue. This engine is better bang for your buck then the V6

Besides what the hell's wrong with sedans? I wouldn't mind owning any of these.
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roadpie4u
06-26-13, 01:39 PM
Theirs nothing wrong with 4bangers anyways, hell F1 is developing 600+hp 4cyl engines. Theirs Cobalt SS turbo's that were running with C6's and stomping mustangs with little issue.

I think you're a goof and if you knew ANYTHING about the capabilities of these new generation turbo 4's you wouldn't even be asking why we'd want more power from them. Because with a simple tune you can stick it to the 6 with no issue. This engine is better bang for your buck then the V6

Besides what the hell's wrong with sedans? I wouldn't mind owning any of these.

During the insane years of F1 before turbochargers were banned, BMW managed to squeeze out well over a thousand horsepower from a turbo 4 - potential is all in the eye of the beholder - and having an engine built for boost is easy to tweak and mod while an engine built for lightweight NA performance takes more work to increase output. I'll sidestep which is "better", a 300HP N/A or 300HP turbo because that is subjective - but the only consideration that cannot be ignored or denied is sound - but between the 2.0T and the 3.6L, neither is a "great" sounding engine in my ear, but usually (usually) 4 cylinders always drone and sound kinda lame. The only exception is the Subaru boxer 4 cylinder in my mind.

I, for one, am glad that the turbo4 is becoming a larger mainstay of vehicles - and while I wish the ATS had more power - my complaint isn't the 270HP - its that from 4000rpm to redline the power is flat and sound is flat. There is no sense of wanting to be rev'd higher and harder. No drama. No excitement. GM did that with a small turbo to make the engine smooth in power delivery and make it refined. They succeeded - but I still hold out they'll correct it with some GMPP goodies. If not, BNR/Trifecta have already proven they are capable of filling the void.

Siren05
06-26-13, 08:24 PM
Holy hijacked thread:|

pissedoffwookiee
06-26-13, 08:29 PM
[QUOTE=Siren05;3607825]Holy hijacked thread:|[/QUOTE

TRUE THAT!

back to the tune, a quick question is the tune VIN locked, or is it moveable to the next lease

romanats
06-26-13, 08:38 PM
its vin locked

pissedoffwookiee
06-26-13, 10:25 PM
its vin locked

OK, leased car means it's a throwaway (I'm sure the bank doesn't want a tune). ok, $395 for tune, plus $150 for cable equals $545 divided by 36 months equals $15.14 a month smile subcription. HMMM, thinking, thinking ....... i would need to buy a notebook too, Damnit, I want the power, but i don't want the annoyed wife, decisions, decisions

Siren05
06-26-13, 10:29 PM
My updated tune is potent be careful please.

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Ha. Potent is good. I wanna datalog but its been raining and so humid here in Toronto. I'm going to wait
Until a little less humidity is present.

Stevo Supremo
06-27-13, 02:38 AM
lol sorry for thread jackin but I had to defend the turbo 4 haha! but glad to see things are going well now with the tune, but be careful with an agressive tune, dont wanna blow anything up haha!

romanats
06-27-13, 11:49 AM
installed my updated tune and definetely much better then the first one the car pulls really hard . After a few wots i noticed engine pinging. Went back home and asked my wife what gas she used and sure she said regular LOL i was pissed. Now i have to wait untill this tank runs out.
to really see the difference.

BLitzkrieg
06-27-13, 12:25 PM
installed my updated tune and definetely much better then the first one the car pulls really hard . After a few wots i noticed engine pinging. Went back home and asked my wife what gas she used and sure she said regular LOL i was pissed. Now i have to wait untill this tank runs out.
to really see the difference.

Pour in a couple gallons of Toluene and hold on.

bluhaven
06-27-13, 12:29 PM
HP Tuners is in the works for the ATS for anyone interested in doing your own tuning.
Kevin

BLitzkrieg
06-27-13, 12:57 PM
HP Tuners is in the works for the ATS for anyone interested in doing your own tuning.

Kevin

I emailed Bill about this last week.

Siren05
06-27-13, 01:56 PM
My Protuner that does my STI ALSO USES HP TUNERS.

Siren05
07-01-13, 05:31 PM
I finally got some good air and datalogged 2 and 3rd gear pulls. Then 3rd thru 4th gear pulls
On the updated tune. I will update when I hear back from BNR

EnvoyBu
07-02-13, 05:19 AM
Am I the only 3.6L owner who bought the BNR tune?

If so, it ROCKS!!! If you own an ATS 3.6L and are thinking of tuning your car, just do it. It's seriously great.

mikesul
07-02-13, 09:29 AM
I had their tune for my 2011 CTS Coupe. I think it brought the engine alive, and was very satisfied with the results.

vwall
07-02-13, 11:01 AM
Am I the only 3.6L owner who bought the BNR tune?

If so, it ROCKS!!! If you own an ATS 3.6L and are thinking of tuning your car, just do it. It's seriously great.

What improvements have you noticed? Any effect on gas mileage?

Fraggy
07-02-13, 11:34 AM
Must you have a PC to load this tune, and will it also work from a Mac?

EnvoyBu
07-02-13, 05:37 PM
What improvements have you noticed? Any effect on gas mileage?

If you drive normally, you'll actually pick up about 1 MPG in the city. Highway MPG (driving about 80 MPH) are the same from what I see.

From a stop, the torque management is gone, which I really love. The car responds much better. Transmission downshift time is much improved, so you accelerate right away if you desire from a roll. I have the transmission tuned so that I feel it shift, not the molasses type shifting the car does stock. Overall I'd highly recommend the tune.

thebigjimsho
07-03-13, 01:25 PM
Possible stupid question: why do some of you want to tune or otherwise increase hp/torque in a sedan!? Why not just buy a car with more hp if you have the need for speed! After all,
if you start out with say 250hp and add 10%, big deal, you now only have 275! What is that going to get you in the real world? Why not start out with a higher hp car to begin with?
Is it really fun to beat on a family hauler that may be capable of taking a twisty or two once in awhile. Just asking here guys, no insult intended. I have owned at least 10 Corvettes and
still drive a high hp C6. No way in h**l are you ever going to tune an ATS to ever get close to me. A CTS-V, sure, but not some 4 banger with or without forced induction. I know about
driving high hp, but like I said, why not start out with higher hp. Higher hp cars are not that much more expensive than an ATS. And yes, I recognize the need for a 4 door car, but at least
start out with one that has balls to begin with...okay, flame me if you like!

Why would you ever drive a Vette to go fast when you could get a Veyron and go so much faster?

mikesul
07-03-13, 02:16 PM
Base 2014 Corvette only a couple thousand more than a loaded premium ATS. :)

EnvoyBu
07-03-13, 05:17 PM
Base 2014 Corvette only a couple thousand more than a loaded premium ATS. :)

Apples to Oranges IMHO.

M5eater
07-05-13, 09:52 PM
Apples to Oranges IMHO.

You sir, clearly have never had an appleorange

http://www.dwaynebaraka.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/3-appleorange.jpg


Why would you ever drive a Vette to go fast when you could get a Veyron and go so much faster?
http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39452616.jpg

EnvoyBu
07-06-13, 02:04 AM
^

Can't say I've had that, but I've had a Grapple before (grape + apple) and it was really good!