: Competition Mode ???



Steve247
06-12-13, 01:22 AM
I saw in an article I can put my 2013 ATS 3.6 Auto AWD in a Competition Mode !!!! Is this done by just deactivating stability track and traction control and keeping it in Sport Mode ? Can't really notice a difference from Sport Mode versus Tour Mode. RPM's should go a little higher when switching into Sport Mode, no ??. Is there REALLY a difference or is Caddy pulling my chain ?

blue_skies
06-12-13, 03:54 AM
I saw in an article I can put my 2013 ATS 3.6 Auto AWD in a Competition Mode !!!! Is this done by just deactivating stability track and traction control and keeping it in Sport Mode ? Can't really notice a difference from Sport Mode versus Tour Mode. RPM's should go a little higher when switching into Sport Mode, no ??. Is there REALLY a difference or is Caddy pulling my chain ?

On the Premium, Sports Mode activates the MRC.

The AWD does not have MRC, neither do the non-Premium models.

On all models, the Sports mode stiffens the steering, and activates the PAL algorithm, which makes the car more spiritied in response to the gas pedal (shifts down in turns, holds lower gears longer, drops a gear, moves shift point up). But - there is a but - you have to drive with a HEAVY foot to activate this response. If not, you will hardly notice the difference, expect for the steering.

Mileage decreases surprisingly little in Sports Mode.

Stability Track and Traction Control are the same, I believe - there is only one button to turn it on or off.

I guess that Sports Mode ON and Stability Track OFF qualifies as 'Track Mode",,,

bungee91
06-12-13, 08:48 AM
On my vehicle hitting the traction control button twice quickly activates competition mode.

I have no idea what models have this (I'm RWD MRC) and a message comes up that states "competition mode" something something.

Bertha D Blues
06-12-13, 09:08 AM
I agree with Steve247 on the lack of differences in Sport vs. Touring. I’ve pushed my car hard (on the road and even harder on a vacant parking lot) trying to find a difference in shift points and a hint of PAL. I get nothing. I used Torque Pro to log acceleration runs at throttle. I used an aluminum spacer block behind the gas pedal for repeatable -throttle test results. My data showed no difference in shift points between Sport and Touring and no difference in throttle response (throttle % on Torque).
In testing for PAL I drove hard into a curve whose posted speed was 15 mph. I entered at 70, braking hard through the curve and exited at 50. When I got back into the throttle my trans had upshifted in the turn to 6th gear and 1500 screaming rpm. My service advisor said Sport is working but I’m going to shove my data plots in his face if he doesn’t believe me. I’ll stop typing now or I might say something that’ll get me thrown out of Cadillacdom. Bert Ξ:^(

Steve247
06-12-13, 09:33 AM
On my vehicle hitting the traction control button twice quickly activates competition mode.

I have no idea what models have this (I'm RWD MRC) and a message comes up that states "competition mode" something something.

Bungee, I will try this and let you know if hitting the button twice quickly works. Thanks.

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On the Premium, Sports Mode activates the MRC.

The AWD does not have MRC, neither do the non-Premium models.

On all models, the Sports mode stiffens the steering, and activates the PAL algorithm, which makes the car more spiritied in response to the gas pedal (shifts down in turns, holds lower gears longer, drops a gear, moves shift point up). But - there is a but - you have to drive with a HEAVY foot to activate this response. If not, you will hardly notice the difference, expect for the steering.

Mileage decreases surprisingly little in Sports Mode.

Stability Track and Traction Control are the same, I believe - there is only one button to turn it on or off.

I guess that Sports Mode ON and Stability Track OFF qualifies as 'Track Mode",,,

Blue Skies.
First off thank you for your input I really appreciate it. I came out of an Audi S5 V8 and I guess my expectations are a little to high at the moment for the ATS 3.6. With that, I do drive the car hard at times and have noticed the RPM's hang at a higher level (45/5k) after I release the throttle. At first I thought the throttle was stuck but now I'm guessing I'm pushing the car to the point that needs to be activated !!!!!! I wasn't aware that to activate this I needed to push the car to this level. I will continue to test and advise. Thanks for your support pal.

Siren05
06-12-13, 10:18 AM
I agree with Steve247 on the lack of differences in Sport vs. Touring. I’ve pushed my car hard (on the road and even harder on a vacant parking lot) trying to find a difference in shift points and a hint of PAL. I get nothing. I used Torque Pro to log acceleration runs at throttle. I used an aluminum spacer block behind the gas pedal for repeatable -throttle test results. My data showed no difference in shift points between Sport and Touring and no difference in throttle response (throttle % on Torque).


In testing for PAL I drove hard into a curve whose posted speed was 15 mph. I entered at 70, braking hard through the curve and exited at 50. When I got back into the throttle my trans had upshifted in the turn to 6th gear and 1500 screaming rpm. My service advisor said Sport is working but I’m going to shove my data plots in his face if he doesn’t believe me. I’ll stop typing now or I might say something that’ll get me thrown out of Cadillacdom. Bert Ξ:^(

My pal is aggressive if I get on her in sport the ATS LOCKS THAT GEAR UNTIL REDLINE.
on braking rev matching hard downshifts. Love that. Happy

Bertha D Blues
06-12-13, 11:24 AM
My pal is aggressive if I get on her in sport the ATS LOCKS THAT GEAR UNTIL REDLINE.
on braking rev matching hard downshifts. Love that. Happy
Grrr! I get squat. And, pressing the traction control button twice quickly just turns it off and back on. Bert

jph
06-12-13, 07:48 PM
Grrr! I get squat. And, pressing the traction control button twice quickly just turns it off and back on. Bert

i can never time it perfectly the first time. i need to keep pressing it a few times until both TC and stability are off.
it's one of the few features that annoy me :)

J.

Steve247
06-12-13, 08:51 PM
My pal is aggressive if I get on her in sport the ATS LOCKS THAT GEAR UNTIL REDLINE.
on braking rev matching hard downshifts. Love that. Happy

So I RE - TESTED my car today and yes, it reacts the way you "all" explained. Driving the car pretty hard will do the following::: lock up the current gear and HOLD it till it red lines and then downshifts to a reasonable lower gear in a higher rpm ! I was so used to my Audi S5 V/8 trans that was ""flawless"" ... I now have a much better understanding of the car now, actually cool that it seems more of a drivers car versus a car that's designed to do all the work for you !!! I guess there are 2 benefits--- 1 your driving a nice Caddy at normal speeds and cruising, then when ya wanna get on it, it's ready to rock n roll... Thanks all...

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i can never time it perfectly the first time. i need to keep pressing it a few times until both TC and stability are off.
it's one of the few features that annoy me :)

J.

I tried the double tap and lmfao NOT working !!! Only disabled stability, then traction or vice versa... Nooooo "competition mode for me"

romanats
06-12-13, 10:50 PM
mine is 2.0 standard and it does not have competition mode

gohawks63
06-12-13, 10:56 PM
I saw in an article I can put my 2013 ATS 3.6 Auto AWD in a Competition Mode !!!! Is this done by just deactivating stability track and traction control and keeping it in Sport Mode ? Can't really notice a difference from Sport Mode versus Tour Mode. RPM's should go a little higher when switching into Sport Mode, no ??. Is there REALLY a difference or is Caddy pulling my chain ?


I posted in the general forum too. For reference and comparison, this is straight out of the CTS manual.

Competitive Driving Mode

To select this optional handling mode, press the TCS/StabiliTrak button quickly two times and
STABILITRAK COMPETITIVE MODE displays in the Driver Information Center (DIC). While in the StabiliTrak Competitive Mode,
the StabiliTrak Off light comes on, TCS does not limit wheel spin, and more effort is required to turn the
steering wheel. Adjust your driving accordingly.

Press the TCS/StabiliTrak button again, or turn the ignition to
ACC/ACCESSORY and restart the vehicle, to turn TCS back on and turn the TCS/StabiliTrak warning light off.

Notice: When traction control is
turned off, or Competitive Driving
Mode is active, it is possible to lose traction. If you attempt to shift with the drive wheels
spinning with a loss of traction, it is possible to cause damage to the transmission. Do not attempt to shift when the drive wheels do

romanats
06-12-13, 11:06 PM
cts is not ats

Steve247
06-12-13, 11:16 PM
I will try it again tomorrow. Thou when I tried it ONLY the stabilitrack showed off, nothing about competition mode was seen in the DIC.

gohawks63
06-12-13, 11:46 PM
cts is not ats

Obviously. . Aside from MRC that is in the ATS 3.6 Premium,I would guess they work similarly.

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I will try it again tomorrow. Thou when I tried it ONLY the stabilitrack showed off, nothing about competition mode was seen in the DIC.

Did you press twice quickly?

MASCAD
06-13-13, 07:13 AM
[QUOTE=gohawks63;3508882]Obviously. . Aside from MRC that is in the ATS 3.6 Premium,I would guess they work similarly.[COLOR="Silver"]

See my posting in the General Discussion section. Unlike the CTS, competition mode does not display in the DIC on my ATS 3.6 performance. (no MRC) Don't believe there is any mention of competition mode in the ATS manual either.

Siren05
06-13-13, 07:21 AM
No comp mode, but just hold down your trac off button until you see stabilitrak come off and DUKES OF
HAZZARD TIME

rspitler
06-13-13, 08:41 AM
3.6 RWD Premium here and mine does have Comp mode by pressing twice on the stability button

MASCAD
06-13-13, 09:26 AM
3.6 RWD Premium here and mine does have Comp mode by pressing twice on the stability button

That may well be but is not the case in the AWD version at least not in the one I have. Only TC and/or Stabiltrak off by holding down the button as mentioned above.

rspitler
06-13-13, 11:10 AM
AWD does not have the FE3

bungee91
06-13-13, 11:16 AM
It is my thoughts that competition mode only exists on cars with MRC.. That or definitely only RWD, with certain trims.

romanats
06-13-13, 11:40 AM
can someone conferm with 2.0t RWD that has been able to see Comp Mode

CZ4
06-13-13, 12:39 PM
I have a 2.0T AT RWD Luxury.

No evidence of 'Competition Mode' in my car. Unless I'm doing it wrong.

donavo
06-13-13, 01:36 PM
and i have 2,0T manual RWD. no competition mode here either. must be an MRC thing.

Cadillac Cust Svc
06-13-13, 02:00 PM
I posted in the general forum too. For reference and comparison, this is straight out of the CTS manual.

Competitive Driving Mode

To select this optional handling mode, press the TCS/StabiliTrak button quickly two times and
STABILITRAK COMPETITIVE MODE displays in the Driver Information Center (DIC). While in the StabiliTrak Competitive Mode,
the StabiliTrak Off light comes on, TCS does not limit wheel spin, and more effort is required to turn the
steering wheel. Adjust your driving accordingly.

Press the TCS/StabiliTrak button again, or turn the ignition to
ACC/ACCESSORY and restart the vehicle, to turn TCS back on and turn the TCS/StabiliTrak warning light off.

Notice: When traction control is
turned off, or Competitive Driving
Mode is active, it is possible to lose traction. If you attempt to shift with the drive wheels
spinning with a loss of traction, it is possible to cause damage to the transmission. Do not attempt to shift when the drive wheels do

Hi gohawks63,

I appreciate you taking the time to research this and post the information for everyone!

Sincerely,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Service

gohawks63
06-13-13, 02:41 PM
It is my thoughts that competition mode only exists on cars with MRC.. That or definitely only RWD, with certain trims.

That would be interesting since AWD is not a limiting factor with the CTS. My CTS is AWD.

pissedoffwookiee
06-13-13, 04:41 PM
OK just played with a Premium, a couple of things then what i found

1) the sport seat is NICE!!!!! i like the extra bolstering and the added front seat bottom tilt and seat bottom extender vs my turbo standard

2) MUCH LUST for Morelo red interior WOW!!! i like the black headliner as opposed to my grey and Love the carbon fiber trim

what i found was it does indeed have a competitive mode, but getting to it was interesting I first tried TC button my car all different way long hold short hold tapping nothing but TC on/off and stabilitrac off.

in the premium i had the same results and almost wrote it off as not having it then I had an idea i put it in sport mode and BOOM multiple taps gives you competitive mode. I excitedly went back to my car to try it and nothing, seems competitve mode is tied to Magnetic ride. i went back to the premium and tried several more times to confirm with and without sport mode on, and compettitive mode would only appear in sport mode

romanats
06-13-13, 05:20 PM
thank you for clearing this up

bungee91
06-13-13, 06:02 PM
On my ride home I confirmed that yes, it needs to be in sport mode also in order to get the competitive mode activated.
So then is the consensus you must have MRC (so then premium, RWD only), however both manual and auto transmissions have the option?

rspitler
06-13-13, 07:04 PM
I was able to get the competitive mode without being in sport mode. Just tapped the mode button twice.

MASCAD
06-13-13, 08:08 PM
I was able to get the competitive mode without being in sport mode. Just tapped the mode button twice.

Your comment concerning having MRC possibly explains why some trims have this feature and others apparently do not. The method you are using sounds exactly like on the CTS-V and I was wondering if you also get a message on the DIC saying you are in competition mode?

rspitler
06-13-13, 08:54 PM
Yes, traction control off, competitive mode is displayed.

pissedoffwookiee
06-13-13, 09:48 PM
I was able to get the competitive mode without being in sport mode. Just tapped the mode button twice.

This is interesting, because i specifically tried double taps, and all it would do is toggle TC on/off until i engaged sport mode, then it was easy and just worked consistently

Stevo Supremo
06-14-13, 11:29 AM
and i have 2,0T manual RWD. no competition mode here either. must be an MRC thing.

lol you have LSD and a manual, you're always in Competition mode lmao

Steve247
06-14-13, 10:49 PM
So basically what you are saying is that if I have 3.6 AWD auto performance and not MRC it will NOT engage into competition mode, correct ??? No matter how I press the buttons. Only stability off and traction off is best I can get to l, right ???

MASCAD
06-15-13, 07:04 AM
So basically what you are saying is that if I have 3.6 AWD auto performance and not MRC it will NOT engage into competition mode, correct ??? No matter how I press the buttons. Only stability off and traction off is best I can get to l, right ???

Let's just say that is the way it is on my 3.6 AWD and that there is no mention of "competition" mode in my owner's manual. Only TC off and/or Stabiltrak off is mentioned and only TC Off or TC On is displayed in the DIC.

Siren05
06-15-13, 07:07 AM
Awd in ATS = no competition!

MASCAD
06-15-13, 07:15 AM
Awd in ATS = no competition!

You are correct. In the snow it doesn' have any competition!

Siren05
06-15-13, 09:01 AM
My subie would rip it a new one.

rspitler
06-15-13, 09:06 AM
My subie would rip it a new one.

Who cares?

marktanner
06-15-13, 12:02 PM
Getting back to the tech side, I tried it when in sport mode, and yes, indeed, "competition mode" was displayed, along with the traction control off icon, and the stabilitrack icon. I used it frequently in my previous CTS and CTS-V, as it added heft to the steering and let you hang the tail out more easily. On the ATS, the steering did indeed feel heftier (yay!), but I wasn't wild about needing to be in sport mode to get it. I decided to experiment, and tried switching to tour mode. Guess what? The icons stayed lit as before, minus the sport icon, and the steering feel remained firmer (hopefully, I'm not deluding myself). Too bad it's only available on the Premium RWD, but that makes it another reason to go with the MRC.

It's a lot to go through to get it set like I want it: select sport, hit traction control twice, make sure it happens, then select tour (each mode change taking two clicks, BTW). In the CTS-V, it was two clicks on TC for competition mode, and one each time for sport/tour as desired. Much easier. At least there is still the option.

It's interesting that competition mode isn't mentioned in the owner's manual. It was definitely in the CTS manual, even in '08, before the CTS-V became available. The salesman I used, who is pretty knowledgeable, didn't know about it either. We even discussed it's absence on a test drive of a Premium, trying to double tap the TC with no luck, but not in sport mode, of course. Maybe the word will get out now.

Fraggy
06-15-13, 02:18 PM
Worked for me on my 2.0 premium but only in sport mode.

thebigjimsho
06-15-13, 08:42 PM
It is my thoughts that competition mode only exists on cars with MRC.. That or definitely only RWD, with certain trims.

It was available on 1st gen CTS-Vs that did not have MRC...

Steve247
06-16-13, 12:40 AM
Still fun to drive and will enjoy what I have... Thanks all for the feedback - appreciate it...

pissedoffwookiee
07-01-13, 03:59 PM
'14 stick premium has it with new traction control graphics in the DIC

exbagboy
11-29-13, 12:49 AM
So does the competition mode also stiffen the MRC shocks even more than Sport mode alone?

Also, has anyone gone down to 17" wheels with MRC on?