: Maybe thinking of going to Escalade



conedoctor
06-11-13, 05:16 PM
Bouncing the idea around and between the Denali and Escalade, does anyone know the differences?


Please do not mention the Yukon or Suburban as I have zero interest in them and do not care, I will not buy the 5.3, 4 speed or non-AWD.

orandaberg
06-12-13, 03:22 PM
Maybe no one answers because they cannot figure why you want another Cadillac :) Just kidding

SFVetteman
06-12-13, 03:46 PM
Same frame and same powertrain(assuming you mean the Yukon Denali). everything else boils down to styling, bells and whistles; what they are worth to you and how much you are willing to pay for them...pretty much a personal decision.

Bill

conedoctor
06-12-13, 04:26 PM
Ya it is the little things I want to know, they matter.

Your right based on the 6.2l AWD powertrain, the only way to go IMO.

I am looking at 08-10 model years and I cant find an online order guide so far to help research.

TimRSRX777
06-12-13, 07:28 PM
Conedoctor, maybe you should tell us why are you looking to buy one, or what your objective is, so that people who know those trucks can give you proper feedback? I have an SRX and would think an Escalade would be a step back into the 90's. I am sure, however, that you have your reasons for buying something that size and inefficient. : )

conedoctor
06-13-13, 12:12 PM
Hmm, well lets see.

We have been wondering if a full size SUV will better suit our growing family and trailering needs better than our beloved SRX. The Acadia Denali is also a choice, it has ups and downs but IMO a far better 3rd row but the V6 and only 5200lbs of pulling is not making me jump into one.

Pros

Tow more by twice and going to do it just better overall
Better 3rd row set up and room, the fold and remove seats are sort of stupid but so are the SRX 3rd row seats but at least they are always in the car. So SRX vs Escalade is sort of a wash.
Extra room inside
Equal fuel economy to the SRX
Many more aftermarket parts
Common platform with very easy to get parts at low cost, and it is the same as my truck.
New awesome nav can be swapped in.
Factory backup cam
Dual zone rear climate
Dude its an Escalade!

Cons
Bigger L 202.5 vs. 195 W 79 vs. 72.6 H 74.3 vs. 67.8
I really love the look and size of the SRX and it fits my wife well
Not as easy to park and will need a bigger spot
Not as comfortable seats
Will ride like a truck

mwswarrior
06-15-13, 10:19 PM
I'm looking at this swap for many of the same reasons. Have already test-driven an Escalade (don't like the front of the Denali as much). Haven't pulled the trigger due to other priorities at the moment.

conedoctor
06-15-13, 10:31 PM
They are fast for a large suv aren't they ��

mwswarrior
06-15-13, 10:38 PM
I was impressed with the quickness for a large SUV. I have a Duramax that's pretty quick for a large truck but the Escalade feels like a much smaller vehicle.

PJ1520
06-16-13, 12:02 AM
Wife and I are looking as well. GMC ACADIA Denali is our choice preference right now with Escalade still in the mix. I will post what we have ruled out and why when I get a chance. PJ

Whiplash_89
06-16-13, 12:59 AM
You've probably ruled these out, but my next and pretty much only SUV I will ever buy is a Cayenne. May be too small for you though. But like
SFVetteman said; pretty much down to what you want.

orandaberg
06-16-13, 05:42 AM
Cayenne V8 was my choice but location at the time and this SRX was near by, regret I never went to get the Cayenne, much more luxurious and but mostly better quality, will be the next one when (not if)something internal goes wrong with the SRX. But conedoctor is probably wanting size

conedoctor
06-16-13, 11:18 AM
Please no more cayenne talk, it is off topic. Cayenne is nice but the inside makes me vomit a bit every time I see it and the outside is not much better, cost of ownership is also retarded. Now I know someone will say ya but my srx is crap and costs a fortune well mine does not and costs my fuel and that's it. So please keep on topic, Escalade or Acadia Denali.

orandaberg
06-16-13, 11:33 AM
oops:want:

Whiplash_89
06-16-13, 01:03 PM
Haha

SFVetteman
06-16-13, 08:27 PM
Acadia Denalli vs Escalade? It's sort of an apples to oranges comparison but the specs of this Denalli taken in context with what conedoctor has said in the rest of this thread, it crystallizes what really is important to him: increased towing capacity, cost of ownership, good looks, and SRX size.

Only one question left: Cone, are you ready to do it?

Bill

conedoctor
06-16-13, 09:44 PM
See that is the common error, the Acadia Denali is the same size, well 1/2" shorter length and a few inches shorter.

Crazy eh? The Escalade looks so much bigger, it is 6" longer and wider than the SRX.

So sort of apples to apples, same size but very different cars. I like the V8 and big towing of the Escalade but I like some of the new cool features and 3rd row setup of the Lambda platform but not fond of the V6 and only 5200lbs towing and from what I have read she no like to pull very much.

The problem is I like the SRX and so does my wife, not sure if I just want to buy another car or if we need the change. My wife would like the extra room inside and a usable 3rd row, but the SRX totally fits our needs and is so easy to drive but it will not tow the trailer I want to buy, well it will but not safe. I have not driven the Acadia yet but I will, Im sure it will drive like a 288HP front drive boat, I know the Escalade drives like a 403HP awesome truck and is even better chipped. But I think the Acadia wins for new features and cool stuff being at the beginning of its line not the end like the Escalade. But the Escalade is not missing anything, there is my problem. Do I replace my perfectly good car with another perfectly good car?

My wife and the trailer will decide.

I was about to buy a Q7 but the value may just not be there and cost of ownership is big, it uses 19 motors to control the HVAC system, that is awesome but..... My other choice is the X5 35D but the big problem is it looks like a BMW inside.

Whiplash_89
06-16-13, 09:48 PM
Q7...

SFVetteman
06-16-13, 11:33 PM
The apples to oranges comment I made did not refer to exterior size so much, but to the interior seating seating room and the options available of the two compared compared to your SRX. The Acadia has a bit less seating room than your SRX while the Escalade has more seating room and options not available on the Denali. Also, the Acadia is basically a front drive crossover, albeit AWD in your configuration and the Escalade is a truck.

The relatively high towing capacity of the Acadia Denali compared with other lambda crossovers with the 3.6 must be something to do with a stiffer spring rate and shocks. If so, I wonder how the ride would compare with the truck.

Bill

Shock
06-17-13, 08:10 AM
I recently consider all of these GM cars you are looking at before I bought the SRX. Of course you know most of this, but here goes.

If you want to tow, there is going to be nothing better than a "truck," period. Regardless of ratings, I can't imagine that there is going to be much measurable difference between the tow-ability of an SRX vs. an Acadia. Neither one are trucks--rather they are cars that are somewhat setup for towing. (Escalade +1)

Considering how large a vehicle is from the standpoint of parking and maneuvering at low speed, the game is more about visibility than it is about a couple of inches of width or length of the vehicle. (Escalade +1)

I think the Escalade would be a FAR superior tow vehicle, AND it is much easier to park (way better visibility than a crossover for us short people, esp because of the huge mirrors). I think you already stated that you found it to be equal or superior on all other considerations (third row seats, etc.). (Escalade +1)

I was looking at 2006 generation trucks. I looked Escalade vs Yukon Denali very closely. I could not stomach the price of the Escalade vs. the Yukon Denali, though I found the Yukon's interior to be embarassing (like lipstick on a pig--just not well executed). (Escalade +/- 1)

You said the trailer and the wife decide. I think the trailer already made its decision. But if your wife decides she wants a Prius, I think you should buy the Prius--cause that probably matters the most!

conedoctor
06-17-13, 10:35 AM
Good points, my year range is 07+ or 11+ for the Acadia.

The 3rd row on the Acadia is the best of all 3 IMO

The Acadia can tow 5200 vs 4250 of the SRX vs about 8500 for the Escalade, problem is I have an 08 Sierra Denali I can tow with but I want my wife to be able to tow without me. As it was said I would take the Escalade all day to tow with and I would be right at or over the limit of the Acadia and would end up towing in 4th gear as that is what I have read you need when towing a heavy trailer and not sure how it would like Rogers Pass, it would make it of course but at what cost and it would not be fun.

The Acadia tow rating has nothing to do drivetrain (I looked it up last night) and more with hitch mount, sort of.

How do you see the Acadia having less seating room than the SRX, am I missing something? SRX is 7 Acadia is 7 or 8 depending on config. Maybe your thinking I have a 2010+ SRX?

We really don't need one so I am going to let it ride until my wife says she wants to look, our current popup trailer will be with us until at least next year and if I really need a bigger trailer (4900lbs, oh so big lol) I will have to take her car and she can take the truck.

SFVetteman
06-17-13, 03:39 PM
Seating room refers to interior demensions: head room, leg room, etc.

Have you considered the GCVW rating of the Acadia? It appears that towing a 4900 lb. trailer would leave you with less than 700 lbs. for fuel, people, and cargo.

Bill

conedoctor
06-17-13, 06:57 PM
Yes sir I did and good point, I would be right at or over the limit.

This is why the choice is hard, why get rid of the srx for a slight upgrade in the Acadia, tough choices.

PJ1520
06-17-13, 08:01 PM
Cone......has the better half driven the Escalade? You might find as I often do with these things that common sense and needs go right out the window when my wife gets involved. From what you have said you want more space and your future towing needs might mean the Acadia will come up short. Yet your wife likes how the SRX drives. Maybe she won't be so enthralled withe the Escalade once she takes one for a spin because of the increased size.

Me? I think you are all set with what you have between the SRX and the truck for now. You have the bases covered except she does not sound excited about towing, regardless of the tow vehicle you have for towing. That is what she has you for.....the driver of big and heavy things. PJ

PJ1520
06-17-13, 09:13 PM
BTW.....the Acadia Denali may have the appearance and interior appointments, as well as a lot more space. But it still weighs in 400 pounds heavier than the SRX N AWD. With 10% less horsepower and torque. Can you live with that every day?

Other thoughts.....I have had both a CHEVY TAHOE and a GMC Yukon as courtesy cars recently when I had the SRX in for service, three days on the first and two days on the second.

The 5.3L V8 with the 6 speed, and neither had AWD. They both felt slower than the SRX out of the box. On the highway, putting your foot to the floor.....neither vehicle would catch a lower gear that would raise the initial RPM higher than 3,000. The power steering in both felt overboosted. And you sure feel the side to side jostling in the driver's seat with any adjustment of the steering wheel, didn't like that. And with no telescoping steering wheel, my 5'9" and 180 pound carcass could not get comfortable, no matter how I adjusted the seat bolster and seat back: when the pedals felt right the steering wheel was too far away, and visa versa.

Granted, these were not top end trim vehicles. But they were very low mileage ones. The first had only 3,500 miles on the odometer and the second 9,500. The extra interior space was impressive: 116 cubic feet behind the front seats versus 70 for the SRX. Behind the third row.....24 cubic feet versus 8 for the SRX.

By the time you optioned out either the TAHOE or the YUKON, you are probably around $55,000......what the SRX N AWD with all of the goodies stickered at, almost. Fuel tank is larger than the SRX, 22 gallons I think. EPA rated for both 16/21. I was on the accelerator, so I did not approach either figure. :-)

The pre-owned Escalades around here with acceptably low mileage are very pricey. That is making a GMC ACADIA DENALI looking like a good compromise for me. More space than the SRX....and unlike you, I have nothing to tow. The fuel mileage with the Acadia is about 10% better than the GEN l SRX with the Northstar.

BACK TO THE HOCKEY GAME. I am torn: born and raised in Chicago but have spent the past 25 years in the Boston metro area. :-(. BTW.....did I mention how much I hate posting on a smart phone?

PJ

conedoctor
06-18-13, 12:06 AM
I have no interest in hockey and I am in Canada, when hockey starts taking place on a road course I will care :)

As I said I have no interest in the 5.3 because of the power issue, I want the 6.2 and AWD as these are deal breakers.

She is ok driving the bigger car but I really should just stay with the SRX and Sierra if I were smart, but....

I don't usually get too much hassle as long as it has been a few years between cars, I tell her we need a new car or I have to cheat on you. I just love our SRX so much, the red with sport package looks so stunning still.

PJ1520
06-18-13, 08:48 AM
My dilemma is similar. The SRX does so many things well that when you jump into something else it doesn't seem to quite measure up in the things that are important to me. Some may observe that they don't like the way the GenI SRX looks, too angular in some respects; but you can pick one out of a sea of crossovers and SUVs. The Northstar's performance tops everything I have been looking at.

Stay with what you have. As I said, you have the bases covered.

PJ

Cadillac Cust Svc
06-18-13, 01:25 PM
Wife and I are looking as well. GMC ACADIA Denali is our choice preference right now with Escalade still in the mix. I will post what we have ruled out and why when I get a chance. PJ

Hello PJ,

It is always an exciting time when looking at purchasing a new vehicle. If you have any questions about vehicles and incentives, please reach out to me via private message so we can further discuss your options :)

Regards,

Laura M.
Cadillac Customer Service

conedoctor
06-20-13, 12:49 AM
Man the Enclave looks nice!

I drove the SRX on a quick trip tonight and I really would have a hard time giving it up for a big under powered boat, a really nice big underpowered boat mind you.

b4z
06-25-13, 07:43 PM
Conedoctor, just saw this.
I've had 3 SrXs and we have an '04 Tahoe which I stupidly put 20s on and the chassis can't handle them.
The negative to the gmt900s is that they are heavy, 5500lbs minimum.
They have a stiffer chassis than our '04 and the handle a bit better as well.
I'm with you 6.2l or nothing at all. The 5.3 just doesn't have the tq necessary to stop a lot of gear hunting or for keeping the AFM active.
I have written off the Acadia because of the 288 hp and the minivan chassis and dynamics.
We are currently looking at the upcoming all new all aluminum 2014 range rover sport with its 7" longer wheelbase and 3 rd seat.
We are also waiting for the all new tahoe/Yukon/ escalade next year. More hp, lighter weight, tons of improvements and better gas mileage. They are talking about 24 mpg hwy. but still live axle.

conedoctor
06-25-13, 09:56 PM
We are on our 2nd SRX and love it still.

I love my Sierra Denali all day long, for me the GMT-900 is so far ahead of the 5 GMT-800's I have had over the last 15 years I could never go back and I don't want a 4x4 I want AWD.

Well the X5 3.5d is back in the mix as well, so this weekend I am going to try and see an Enclave, Q7, X5 and maybe an MKT but man its long and ugly but the features and power are awesome but no towing and 208" long!

The X5 may win due to killer economy and sweet looking 285/315 tire combo and 6000# of towing, but the enclave is so nice but big and can't tow.

b4z
06-25-13, 11:22 PM
Our gmt 800 tahoe drives me frickin crazy on certain bumps. And now the left side of the dash top is flapping over those bumps. There is a crazy washboard intersection here that makes the truck go apoplectic but my friends gmt900 barely even flexes at the same intersection. And he has the same LTZ 20s. Thinking about going to 18" hybrid wheels to get some more sidewall.
Everytime I get serious about BMWs I just stand there slack jawed at the option pricing. It defies logic.the x5 is a solid vehicle and you can't go wrong. For me it will probably be an x3 and we will keep the lumbering boat of a tahoe for a few more years. But damn I miss my "09 northstar srx.

conedoctor
06-26-13, 12:54 AM
I am looking at 2010's but ya pricing can be mental, I will never buy new, I can drive way more car for half the money.

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I am looking at 2010's but ya pricing can be mental, I will never buy new, I can drive way more car for half the money. The range and power of the diesel is awesome, my wife misses her A6 but loves the SRX so we are right back to we have no idea lol

b4z
06-26-13, 09:10 PM
We dove the a6 2.0t back in the fall we liked it but I also liked the xts believe it or not

conedoctor
06-26-13, 09:24 PM
Ours was the 2.7 turbo, it hauled.

But now Im off topic in my own thread.

The stupid X5 is a great size and chipped the diesel is awesome and my wife does lots of driving right now so it really makes sense, ya I have no idea.

weccjc67
07-07-13, 08:00 AM
Bouncing the idea around and between the Denali and Escalade, does anyone know the differences?


Please do not mention the Yukon or Suburban as I have zero interest in them and do not care, I will not buy the 5.3, 4 speed or non-AWD.

I brought my SRX for minor servicing on July 3rd and got a 2013 Escalade Premium AWD for a loaner, being this is the 4th of July weekend I have had it for 4 days and 200 plus miles later and I can give some input for what I think. Not much has changed in these things for years except bells and whistles. First off amenities are abound in this thing but handling, well its a truck and it lets you know, even all these years later they can never make it ride any different. Power YES given its size it needs the 6.2 . Still no where near the acceleration of our V8 SRX's but very healthy acceleration though. Very heavy feel while driving and a bouncy ride and body wiggle driving down the highway, always have to correct lane position. Massive blind spots good thing it has side radar to alert. My minor or major annoyance is the vents will not point up, just straight out and this is black on black and its 93 degrees out and you cannot get cold air to your face and the head rests do not pivot forward like the do in the SRX. Obviously there is plenty of room for everyone and the seats " heated and cooled " are comfortable, extremely large Nav screen almost a distraction given its size especially at night, I also find the interior a bit cheezy for an almost $80000 plus vehicle. Not refined as our SRX's hand stitched look and softness. The 6.2 is very thirsty but that is the nature of this beast. I miss my SRX already and my wife does not care for the Escalade either, but to each his own. If I never owned a V8 SRX well' then the Escalade would be tops but for comparison our SRX's win for comfort, ride, handling, acceleration. But they lose on towing capacity that's about it. Man I thought about getting one of these sometime also but now I do not want one. Post GM Bailout equals less car for the money.

PJ1520
07-07-13, 08:28 AM
It always seems to get back to one thing: the FirstGen SRX does so many things well that other vehicles have difficulty stacking up for me, even if I get something I am lacking in the SRX. I need more cargo room, but what do I have to give up to get it? That is saying something for a vehicle that was last produced nearly 5 model years ago. Especially for the price. Nice write up on the Escalade. Sooner or later it will be decision time and I will be forced "to give in order to get." Notice how none of the posters have dwelt much on fuel economy gains over the past few years......but in my preference I have a hard time giving up what the Northstar brought to the table. PJ

conedoctor
07-07-13, 06:18 PM
IMO the Escalade is faster as I have driven both the same day, the 6.2 is strong and hard to beat.

PJ1520
07-08-13, 12:37 AM
If you look up the 0-60mph times for both in AWD trim I believe the N* SRX is quicker (6.4 seconds versus 7.0 seconds) and tops out at over 140 miles per hour. Either Road &Track or Car&Driver recorded a top speed of 144mph at the end of their long term test. I will try to find the quarter mile times for these but I have to believe that the Northstar SRX wins hands down because it weighs so much less. PJ

TimRSRX777
07-08-13, 12:51 AM
Why not keep the SRX and rent a truck whenever you need to tow something?

conedoctor
07-08-13, 10:12 AM
I have a truck to tow, want my wife to be able to go camping without my truck.

0-60 depends on the year, after the flash they got slower. I own both drivetrains and I really thing the 6.2 is faster, I will race my wife one day and find out.

weccjc67
07-08-13, 10:56 AM
IMO the Escalade is faster as I have driven both the same day, the 6.2 is strong and hard to beat.

The Escalade is not faster as I still have this thing for the 5th straight day because of the Holiday weekend. Put now almost 300 miles on this Escalade and the acceleration is great for a truck but that's it. And it was in the 90's when I dropped my SRX off at the dealer and picked up the loaner, even when I pulled out on to the main road which goes up a hill you had to give it a lot more gas to accelerate up the hill. And on the highway you really have to let it downshift and rev to pass not like our V8 SRX's. The Escalde is fast for a FULL SIZE SUV but no means a performance machine and never will be, "like the V8 SRX" which was built for performance. The Escalade will always be an Old Man with a new mask. The option for you is do you want to get more room and better towing and lose what you really like about your SRX. Like I said earlier to each is own. You said you need more room for the kids then the Escalade is for you. I personally would keep the SRX, but that's just my opinion.
Good Luck in your Decision.

conedoctor
07-08-13, 03:47 PM
Well neither of us know for sure so lets not call it a fact that it is faster, I have a chipped 09 V8 SRX with 2.5" exhaust and I think my Denali is faster as I have driven both in the same day back to back and my wife agrees, that being said the Denali is chipped as well so maybe the gains are larger with the 6.2 over the 4.6 but even the chipped SRX felt slower than the stock Denali.

Now the Escalade is a bit heavier than the Denali so maybe that is the difference.

The X5 is pulling ahead in the race tied with our SRX.

TimRSRX777
07-08-13, 05:17 PM
I have a chipped 09 V8 SRX with 2.5" exhaust and I think my Denali is faster.... even the chipped SRX felt slower than the stock Denali.
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Coney, you have a modded chip in your SRX? Who modded it? Was it modded to only add speed or other things also? Maybe you need to go back to that chip flasher and tell them that only speed matters to you and that you want a chip modded only to add speed? I am not even sure why you care which is faster unless you live near a Deutsche Autobahn.. and can take it to WOT every time you drive it. So speed and towing capacity are your two major considerations? Maybe you should consider something like a "chipped" Toyota Sequoia? :)

weccjc67
07-08-13, 05:51 PM
Facts are in the Reviews by the experts. V8 SRX 0-60 is faster than ANY Denali or Escalade ever made and being you made major changes to your SRX with no Dyno results to be positive you actually increased HP/TQ over stock and not lowered it, is also not saying much. Same with my Harleys I build. Dyno results with every mod just not bigger is better all the time. Some mods work, some do not. But I get Actual Gains in HP/TQ over stock.
Why is the fact that the Escalade is the slower of the 2 even an issue. Again the Escalade is a full size truck it needs 403HP to have any chance of competing in the Heavy Luxury Class.I gave my comparison and power is the only thing that bothers you. It has power to impress for a large Full Size SUV. Advice, scratch the Escalade keep the Denali and by a CTS V then you will be happy.

conedoctor
07-08-13, 05:53 PM
I am not a Toyota fan or any other Japanese SUV and the Sequoia makes me throw up when I see them, so lets go with no.

I do go to full throttle every time I drive, I merge like a man!

I can get it tuned for whatever but I went with power and economy, I don't drive fast or reckless at all but I like to have power when I want it and just don't like gutless cars nor does my wife and the fuel economy improvement is nice as well. The biggest reason I did the SRX was to get rid of the flat spot on the 09 that my 04 did not have, it worked and now I have a car that is much nicer to drive at all speeds.

PJ1520
07-09-13, 12:04 AM
The times I posted were for the 2007 SRX and both the 2011 and 2012 Escalade. PJ

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The curb weights.....about 4,400 pounds for the SRX and 5,800 for the Escalade. Horsepower 320 for the SRX and 403 for the Escalade. The torque figures.....315 lb. ft. versus 417. That gives the SRX a power to weight advantage. Top speed 144mph for the SRX versus 106 for the Escalade which is electronically limited. PJ

conedoctor
07-09-13, 01:14 AM
I get it but my butt dyno says different, and that means nothing lol. I don't care about top speed either as I will never reach it.