: Fever



Playdrv4me
01-28-05, 03:13 AM
My brother tells me that by contiuing to pop Advil's when I have a fever (I have been sick alot recently, today I came home and had a whopping 102* and im coughing) that im impeding the body's natural process for healing infection. Is this true? I thought if you had a 102 fever you are on the bring of severe brain damage or something, so I just pop advils to keep it down. I took one and it went down to 98.1 and I felt fine, now Im back to 100.4. Dammit.. :rant2:

skides1
01-28-05, 03:18 AM
Wassup Play?
Your bro is kinda rite if you've had the fever for a week or more. Any other symptoms?

skides1
01-28-05, 03:22 AM
Coughing? (Fever)+(coughing)=possibility of pneumonia. 22yrs old+medical ins=trip to the local clinic tomorrow.

Playdrv4me
01-28-05, 03:40 AM
Ohh no no... The fever hasnt been going for a week. I started having a light cough yesterday and today it escalated to a worse cough and full blown fever. LAST weekend, I had a stomach thing goin on, but it passed. Im actually having some tests done as we speak since that incident.

skides1
01-28-05, 03:50 AM
A chem-25 blood test maybe? It tests alota stuff. Everyone should have one once in a while. Plus a Chest x-ray if for nothing, for comparison to later ones.

Playdrv4me
01-28-05, 03:57 AM
A chem-25 blood test maybe? It tests alota stuff. Everyone should have one once in a while. Plus a Chest x-ray if for nothing, for comparison to later ones.

Well, my CBC's typically come out strong. (This has been an ongoing ordeal), so this time he tested Amylase and Lypase (pancreas function i think), Cholesterol levels (I only eat out, and typically junk food), Hbacter Pylori and some other stuff. Im nervously awaiting the results. I have developed a fear of terminal illnesses recently... :disappoin

p.s. (sorry i hit the "edit" button instead of the quote button first by accident).

skides1
01-28-05, 03:57 AM
If you get around a STD baseline check is a good idea. No offense- I get mine along with a Penicillin shot every six months whether I need it or not. To bad Xrayqueen isn't around-she'd back me up and ,between the two of us, we have like 30yrs experience. Keep me posted.
BTW: I think Aspirin is better than Ibu.

skides1
01-28-05, 04:03 AM
The fear of Terminal illness comes from reading too much on the internet. Like watered down WebMD crap. A cough+stomach+fever could be like 100,000 things from malaria to tuberculosis to the common flu to vasovagel(in your head).

RBraczyk
01-28-05, 07:23 AM
I always thought it was ibuprofin or acetominaphen that brought fever down.

MRFOX
01-28-05, 08:08 AM
Since acetominaphin and ibuprofen are different active ingredients they can be alternated so as not get too much of one or the other in your system. Ibuprofen can cause stomach problems as well as aspirin...................................

D148L0
01-28-05, 11:07 AM
My brother tells me that by contiuing to pop Advil's when I have a fever (I have been sick alot recently, today I came home and had a whopping 102* and im coughing) that im impeding the body's natural process for healing infection. Is this true? I thought if you had a 102 fever you are on the bring of severe brain damage or something, so I just pop advils to keep it down. I took one and it went down to 98.1 and I felt fine, now Im back to 100.4. Dammit.. :rant2:
Play, don't pay attention to your brother. Severely high fever CAN damage you.

D148L0
01-28-05, 11:13 AM
Wassup Play?
Your bro is kinda rite if you've had the fever for a week or more. Any other symptoms?
No, he is not.
I think you are confusing interfering with masking.

turbojimmy
01-28-05, 12:08 PM
My son has whatever nastiness is going around. Fever for 5-6 days, and coughing for 2 weeks. He had a fever for 6 days straight.

The doc said the fever is your body's attempt to kill the virus. But it also does other bad things to you if it gets too high. So you take medicine to bring it back down within reason. With my son, the Advil was only bringing it down a little, which was scary. The doctor said to increase the Advil dosage and to alternate between Advil and Tylenol. She said let a small fever go because it can help rid the body of the virus, but treat a high fever.

Today is actually the first full day he's back to normal. Now I'm sick.....

Jim

Stoneage_Caddy
01-28-05, 12:18 PM
Cholesterol levels (I only eat out, and typically junk food), Hbacter Pylori and some other stuff. Im nervously awaiting the results. I have developed a fear of terminal illnesses recently... :disappoin

p.s. (sorry i hit the "edit" button instead of the quote button first by accident).

dude , only use tylenol for feaver , were talking much safer

good to see im not the only one hitting "edit" by accident ....must be a new mod thing eh ? wonder what changed ..i never used to do that

oh and try eating more subway instaed of the reg fast food ...im haveing to work to get my colestorl and blood pressure back down ....nother reason i quit smoking ,eating out at buger joints and all the other crap i did ....

RBraczyk
01-28-05, 12:30 PM
Just FYI, acetominaphin, aka tylenol, has been show to create liver damage over time. Don't know why or how, but it does. If anyone has pharmecutical questions shoot, my mom is a pharmacist and is one of the best.

Stoneage_Caddy
01-28-05, 12:32 PM
alcohol causes liver damage too ...the way i look at it somethings gonna kill my liver , but who i dont know ...its like that game "clue"

Rolex
01-28-05, 01:05 PM
A chem-25 blood test maybe?

Blood chemistry tests won't offer helpful information about infections. Fever indicates some kind of infection. If it's a bacterial infection you'll need antibiotics to rid yourself of the bug. If it's a viral infection, your doctor will probably tell you to get lots of rest and drink lots of fluids....a virus will run its course (eg flu). In the mean time you can treat your symptoms with over the counter medication.

A complete blood count with differential (cbc with diff) drawn in the presence of an acute bacterial infection will usually show a leftward shift and an elevated white blood cell (WBC) count.

And RB is right about acetaminophen, don't over do it with the otc meds. If you're taking Tylenol 3-4 times a day for fever and using other things like Nyquil or Dayquil (or other flu remedies) READ THE LABELS!! Most over the counter preparations that treat cold and flu symptoms contain tylenol aka acetaminophen. If you take too much acetaminophen it can be toxic to the liver. Don't drink alcohol while taking those medications for the same reason. All of those substances are "de-toxified" by the liver and your liver can only take so much.

Advil aka ibuprofin can be hard on your kidneys so don't over do it on the advil either. BTW Advil, tylenol, aspirin are all effective for breaking a fever. The fever is the body's attempt to kill infection, that's true (but we have medication that does it faster). It's rare that an untreated fever will rise over 105 degrees unless you are in a hot environment or severely dehydrated. Brain damage and febrile seizures don't occur usually until a fever reaches 107 degrees...then it gets ugly. Go see your doctor and read labels on over the counter meds! :D

Playdrv4me
01-28-05, 06:26 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Its gotten a little better today. I still have a nasty irritated coughand my fever is down to around 101. I took 1 advil yesterday, and just took one today, it makes quick work of my fever and has it down to 99 for now, but I know when it wears off itll go back up again. I think its just a regular Flu (I dont do the flu shot thing) but whats bothering me the most is the raspiness and irritation at the far back of my throat. It gets aggravated from coughing and talking. Im wondering what I can take to help all of this, like a spray or something.

Playdrv4me
01-29-05, 01:36 AM
Well I finally wentto the Texas MedClinic tonight. My fever was up to 103.5 when I got there. They looked me over and sent me home with the flu. I apparently got hit kinda hard. Of course... being the way I am... I have to wonder whether it really is the flu...

majax
01-29-05, 01:55 AM
Don't let it get much higher and if it does take a cold bath or something. Get well soon and drink lots and lots of water.

Playdrv4me
01-29-05, 02:06 AM
Yea they told me to alternate Advil and Tylenol every 3 hours, I got a cough syrup with codeine and a prescription called Tamiflu. Hopefully thatll take care of it.

airbalancer
01-29-05, 09:08 AM
You were not sick before you got the 2002 LS430
:hmm: :vomit:

Vesicant
01-29-05, 10:07 AM
*murmurs* ..probably from dealing with those nasty car dealer salesmen

lol :eyebrow:

MRFOX
01-29-05, 12:00 PM
There are some enzymes in pineapple juice that help kill some bad bacteria in your throat. Since Im sure you were told to drink plenty of fluids by the doctor................
can't hurt..... Good luck

Playdrv4me
01-29-05, 02:31 PM
Funny about the Lexus... :)

Ill try the pineapple juice, Im willing to try about anything. Actually I had a moment of clarity this morning and I slightly fear a certain possibility, Its not a big deal but it has me wondering. About a year ago I got mono or tonsillitis, and when I recovered my tonsils never did go all the way back down. The fact that the fever keeps coming back as strong as ever whenever Im off the medicine has me wondering whether its perhaps trying to fight infection in my tonsils. Well see I guess

Kev
01-29-05, 02:39 PM
About a year ago I got mono or tonsillitis, and when I recovered my tonsils never did go all the way back down. The fact that the fever keeps coming back as strong as ever whenever Im off the medicine has me wondering whether its perhaps trying to fight infection in my tonsils. Well see I guess
I guess that means you'll have to lay off the opra for a while till that stuff clears up?! :p

Kev

Rolex
01-29-05, 03:42 PM
Hey Play...you might try gargling warm to hot salt water for the sore throat. Get the water as hot as you can stand to gargle and dissolve a generous amount of table salt into it and gargle a few times. In between that some otc throat lozenges will help keep the throat moist and alleviate the pain. Get lots of rest and get well soon.

majax
01-29-05, 04:01 PM
Your throat is irritated and there is lots of blood flow to it(because its hurt) making it hot and sore. Cold water and drinks are best for it. drink some pickle juice(vinager) it is %100 to stop your sore throat for abit.

Kev
01-29-05, 04:21 PM
Hey Play...you might try gargling warm to hot salt water for the sore throat. Get the water as hot as you can stand to gargle and dissolve a generous amount of table salt into it and gargle a few times. In between that some otc throat lozenges will help keep the throat moist and alleviate the pain. Get lots of rest and get well soon.
Personaly, listerine works well for me. I do a couple of deep gragles with it, as long as I can stand. It gets all those little 'Smurfs' out of my throat. I figure that's less crud that my body has to kill and assimilate/dispose of. :drinker
"Resistance is futile" - Borg

Kev

Ralph
01-29-05, 04:22 PM
Salt water is good, and take it from someone who was offered lymph surgury for chronic sinusitis/rhinitis that a couple of teaspoons of apple cider vinegar in your "Kombucha" tea will kill most of the bacteria in your throat. Vinegar is supposedly just as effective as bleach for killing germs, and many enlightened daycares use vinegar on tabletops for kids because they put everything off the table into their mouth etc. and a few years ago when people were coming to Canada from England during British Mad Cow scare, people coming off the plane were made to step in that little wet mat to sterilize their shoes. It was vinegar!

Kombucha is a Japanese herb that boosts the immume system and mixed with some apple cider vinegar helps me greatly. You will have to get usede to the taste, but put a couple of teaspoons of honey in the tea and it helps. (also a natural antibiotic) Drugs are bad as Rolex mentioned and there are many natural sources you can try.

Avoid all sugar while sick! Sugar supresses the Killer "T" cells in your immune system for up to six hours that normally help fight off infection. Even the smallest amount of sugar can do this.

Lots of garlic or garlic supplements as this is also a natural antibiotic and I've read in nutriction books that each garlic tablet can be equivalent to 1 or 2% antibiotic or more. The problem with antibiotics ( should only be used only for infection as Rolex mentioned) is that it kills off the good "gut" bacteria named lacto acidophillous (sp?) in your intestines, so it's good to replace that bacteria with the equivalent in supplements.

Kev
01-29-05, 04:24 PM
Then there is Nyquil. I hate the taste but it does help me sleep! :vomit:
Smooth!

Kev

Rolex
01-29-05, 05:09 PM
Ralph if you're going the "natural route" Echinacea is a common herbal substance used to boost the immune system during episodes of cold and flu. It couldn't hurt anything either. :)

Ralph
01-29-05, 05:22 PM
Ralph if you're going the "natural route" Echinacea is a common herbal substance used to boost the immune system during episodes of cold and flu. It couldn't hurt anything either. :)

The problem with echinacea is that it CANNOT be mixed with anything like Tyenol or aspirin, etc. There was a case here a few years ago of a young girl who was taking an echinacea tea with some sort of cough supressant and she had a heart attack! You're right, it's a good immuno booster and many people take it for years not knowing that it is only supposed to be used WHILE YOU ARE SICK. It can cause liver damage if I'm not mistaken if used for long-term. (did you mention this?? or some other thread months ago?)

Here is a little known alternative for people who really want to boost their immune system and I order a bulk amount every 6 months or so or when I have extra money. It is the most powerful medicinal herb/oil you can buy on the planet! It will even purify water if camping and all it takes is a few drops, etc. A few drops down your throat and you're good for hours! It's actually MORE POWERFUL than antibiotics. Even breathing the vapours will kill parasites in your lungs! Here is my source and it is from an organic crop in Turkey. The owner is VERY friendly and will answer any questions with the 1-800 number, lives in B.C. and has many American customers. Read the testimonials!! (I think I have one in there) Pathogens CANNOT build immunity to oregano oil, unlike antiobiotics which are often over-prescribed.

Studies at Georgetown University have shown oregano oil to be one of the strongest antiseptics, effectively killing Staphylococcus aureus and E. coli, largely due to it's primary ingrediant, carvacrol. It's blended with olive oil because it's too powerful to put directly on or into the human body.

Like I said, if people are serious about their health, and don't want all the side-effects of a drug-treatment route, here is a serious alternative. I know that it is available from health food stores in the U.S. because my parents friends' buy it there while travelling. Often though they buy it and it isn't from an organic source and the use of pesticides and herbicides takes away and dilutes the effectiveness of the carvarcrol.



http://www.wildoiloforegano.com/

Ralph
01-29-05, 07:18 PM
Ralph if you're going the "natural route" Echinacea is a common herbal substance used to boost the immune system during episodes of cold and flu. It couldn't hurt anything either. :)

"Oil of Oregano is a natural antibiotic and immune booster whereas Echinacea is an immune system stimulant only. Echinacea is useful in keeping your immune system strong but will not destroy fungus, bacteria, candida or viruses whereas Oil of Oregano has been laboratory tested and proven to be one of the most effective and safe antibacterial, anti fungal, anti parasitic and antiviral agents known to man. In a study done in Poland, where 75 different herbs were evaluated for their ability to strengthen the immune system, only Oregano demonstrated strong immune system enhancement."

from the link.

Rolex
01-29-05, 11:55 PM
The problem with echinacea is that it CANNOT be mixed with anything like Tyenol or aspirin, etc. http://www.wildoiloforegano.com/

You seem well informed about herbals, unlike many. There's a lot of science to herbal and alternative medicine, but being "all natural" implies to many that the therapy is free of negative side effects. There are so many new herbals I have a difficult time keeping up with all of them, and their interactions with prescription medication...like echinacea and tylenol (which I didn't know). I wasn't able to find oregano oil in my pdr (on my pda) BTW.

You and I had a banter some time back about Ginko. Specifically whether or not it could inhibit platlet function and the body's clotting mechanism.
I think we were also into a thread discussing Cox II inhibitors (vioxx, celebrex, and bextra) and their ulcerative effect on the stomach lining. There was an article published last month in the annals of surgery about just such drugs and their incidence of perforating gastric ulcers. The study compared over the counter arthritis meds like aspirin, naproxen, and ibuprofin with the Cox II inhibitors Bextra and Celebrex. Basically found that during long term therapy there was a 4% GI ulcer rate with the Cox II drugs, vs a 14% rate with the otc drugs. I believe it's a matter of time before they wipe the remaining Cox II drug (Bextra) off the market because of liability issues. There are adds on TV for class action lawsuits for people taking Vioxx and Celebrex during every commercial break. It's sickening.

Ralph
01-30-05, 12:44 AM
You seem well informed about herbals, unlike many. There's a lot of science to herbal and alternative medicine, but being "all natural" implies to many that the therapy is free of negative side effects. There are so many new herbals I have a difficult time keeping up with all of them, and their interactions with prescription medication...like echinacea and tylenol (which I didn't know). I wasn't able to find oregano oil in my pdr (on my pda) BTW.

You and I had a banter some time back about Ginko. Specifically whether or not it could inhibit platlet function and the body's clotting mechanism.
I think we were also into a thread discussing Cox II inhibitors (vioxx, celebrex, and bextra) and their ulcerative effect on the stomach lining. There was an article published last month in the annals of surgery about just such drugs and their incidence of perforating gastric ulcers. The study compared over the counter arthritis meds like aspirin, naproxen, and ibuprofin with the Cox II inhibitors Bextra and Celebrex. Basically found that during long term therapy there was a 4% GI ulcer rate with the Cox II drugs, vs a 14% rate with the otc drugs. I believe it's a matter of time before they wipe the remaining Cox II drug (Bextra) off the market because of liability issues. There are adds on TV for class action lawsuits for people taking Vioxx and Celebrex during every commercial break. It's sickening.

We don't get the commercials for lawsuits that the U.S. does as the government limited the amount someone can sue for and that stops a lot of lawsuits. Even ibuprofin and other inti-inflammatories like Advil can cause bleeding ulcers from overuse! I researched this when I developed an arthritic virus that left me practically paralyzed for a couple of months!! The arthritic specialist had never seen anything like it and she told me some people get minor symptoms for the rest of their life and can live without drugs, but others, rarely, get the almost crippling virus that immobilizes you. It left my body but stayed in my knees and lower back! This was Sept. 2000, about a year after the COX inhibitors came into being and I was warned at that time that Vioxx was "safer" than Celebrex because it had a coating on the pill to prevent deadly gastric ulcers. Of course, we now know that even Vioxx can supposedly kill.

I still take Ginko occasionally and it is good for the elderly with poor circulation or students who want to improve memory by slightly dialating the arteries for better blood flow to the brain and improving concentration, etc.

Of course naturals can have negative side effects, but that mostly comes from not knowing what is compatible and what not to mix with others, etc. Obviously one wouldn't take Ginko with aspirin.

Medical doctors in Canada can and will lose their liscense if they personally recommend herbals as an alternative or an option to drug therapy.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/cox-2.html