: Injector Question 81 deville



alc5m
06-04-13, 12:32 AM
So i've had one problem after another since buying this car

1981 sedan deville with the 6.0 v8-6-4 decommisioned

Replaced the timing chain, got it in time, wouldnt fire, found i had no fuel pressure, replaced the pump and filter fixed that

i still have a draining battery for some reason but enough about all that

I'm having an issue with the injectors

if i take off the injector harness, the driver side dumps fuel like theres no tomorrow into the throttle body as i try and crank it over, starts up and idles til it stops dumping fuel or i turn it off

passenger side nothing comes out

if i connect the harnesses back to the injectors it continuously tries to crank til the battery dies, and i dont believe fuel is released

i tried hooking up a noid light to the harnesses, didnt see a flash at all on either of them, i then tried a multimeter with a max setting for the voltage (thinking maybe the noid light was burnt out) but it just gave me an overload error (i think it was in millivolts)

the nod light led me to believe its electrical, but the dmm lead me to believe its getting juice cause it said overload

the other weird thing is that the windshield wipers will turn on, without touching the switch while i have the key in the run position, not sure if that was with the harness hooked up to the injectors or off or what, just something i noticed, along with the fan turning on for heat/air without touching any of the buttons



some of this is making me think that maybe the ecu is bad, but i dont even know where the ecu is on this vehicle, this car has been nothing but a head ache for me thus far so i'm hoping someone can help

thanks,
alc

1980coupe
06-04-13, 08:48 AM
Just switch to a carburetor. 1980 uses same size engine 6.0

SafariOne
06-04-13, 12:29 PM
I feel ya brother...... I have been through all this when I got my 81 Fleet. about five years ago. With the fuel issue it could very well be the ECM most likely the PROM. The throttle body unit has an internal fuel pressure regulator which could be the culprit. I had my ECM completely rebuilt and I overhauled the throttle body as well and now it runs like new. First of all post all the codes that you get coming up on the Climate Control Center then we can take it from there. Battery draw down could be the internal voltage regulator on the generator or diode issue,,,,bad grounds could also cause this,,,,trunk lite , under hood lite,etc staying on. You will be awhile tracking this one. Do you have any of the factory service manuals yet???? Your ECM is under the glove box, just for your info. Easy to remove form it's bracket. Lay on the floor and look up you will see it mounted on the dash.

alc5m
06-04-13, 07:14 PM
well safari, that's one of the issues, I cant get the climate control to read the trouble codes, I get the two dots but nothing else ends up displayed, which is one reason I had the thought of a bad ecm

and my uncle (whom I bought the car from) said that at one point someone found a bad ground in it, it wasn't him so he doesn't know which ground it may possibly be

i'd like to carb it but i'm not sure how easy that is with the other electronics on the car, it cant be as easy as just slapping a carb on after taking the throttle body off, lol

SafariOne
06-04-13, 10:31 PM
I think you are right about the carb. and the ECM. I think the first gen. ECM was the one for carbed cars. The best time spent on these old girls is to go over all the grounds that you can physically find. Pull the fastener, wire brush them and then put a smidge of dieelectric grease and then tighten them back up. You could also put on a battery disconnect on one terminal and then it's a quick turn for off and a quick turn for on until you get the time to troubleshoot more on the parasitic draw.

nyshark
07-27-13, 02:12 PM
HI I am looking to replace my fuel filter in this same car can you please tell me where it was located I have a hunch it may be behind the throttle body but I would want to know for sure to help save me the headaches . thank you

SafariOne
07-27-13, 08:53 PM
The fuel filter is on the frame rail just ahead of the rear wheel well on the drivers side. A pain to get at and make sure you use flare wrenches to loosen the connections.

nyshark
07-27-13, 09:13 PM
Thank you I think if it is under the car It may be worth taking it to a shop thanks again

The Ape Man
07-28-13, 12:28 PM
A ground may be missing somewhere. I'd try reseating the ECM connections also. How are the pair of 3 amp fuses in the bottom of the fuse panel? They each feed one injector.

You can always run an extra ground connection from the engine block to the underhood tim.

nyshark
08-16-13, 06:18 PM
I tried installing a high performance accel coil , and the car behaved like it was possesed i put the old original coil back and it ran perfect but now after 200 miles or so it has begun to accelerate for no reason the engine just revs up i keep it in neutral at lights I am open to any ideas i respect your input thank you i am willing to change anything that may be causing this so fire away thanks

SafariOne
08-17-13, 11:34 PM
Gotta be the ECM not reading all the values from the sensors or sending the proper info to the injector body. They are not that much money and well worth it. or get yours rebuilt.

nyshark
08-18-13, 03:16 PM
Today i will put a new throttle spring in $5 and a new ICM in distributor $45 I feel that these are needed and then if the problem persists I will buy a new ECM I think that high output coil from accel cooked some things it never had this problem until i tried putting the high output coil in . who knows really how much voltage it was throwing out but when old coil was put back in the car ran fine 200 miles and just started having similar acceleration without touching gas peddle.