: My Intake Thus far (pix/vid)



Stevo Supremo
05-29-13, 08:24 PM
So here is my intake AS OF NOW I'm getting the heat shield made next week and WILL post pics after as well, but everyone wants to see pictures of intakes lol! The heat shield will be a full box with lexan over top and a hole in the bottom with a pipe feeding to the wheel well to keep the hot stuff out and the cool stuff coming in.

We originally replaced the rubber tube with aluminium pipe, but after logging I wasn't happy, so we opted just to not bother, didn't add any performance anyways. The build quality on the piece is EXCELLENT, exact of the plastic, and the filter is a GMPP filter as well, I have no C.E.L's and after logging for a week theirs no issues either, everything's great :thumbsup:

In terms of power gains? dunno, getting it dyno'd in the coming weeks, as well as tuned, but I will say its got more pull at the top.

For some reason windows movie maker Eff's with video quality, its louder in person I asure you, but I'd like to share with everyone here anyways :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDalryttReA

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad229/stevoelsupremo/IMG_8958_zpsc32c0962.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/stevoelsupremo/media/IMG_8958_zpsc32c0962.jpg.html)
***********dont mind the Zip tie, its temporary till the heatshield goes in*****************

anywhooo questions? comments?

gfxbt
05-29-13, 08:33 PM
Did you take the resonator off (it's right after the rubber tube, right before the turbo)?

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Also, forgot to mention - your intake looks awesome. Great work.

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Also, forgot to mention, your intake looks awesome. Great work man.

Stevo Supremo
05-29-13, 08:49 PM
Did you take the resonator off (it's right after the rubber tube, right before the turbo)?

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Also, forgot to mention - your intake looks awesome. Great work.[COLOR="Silver"]



no we left that piece on, inside it has an Oil separator, and I really didn't wanna fiddle with that at the moment, I could always in the future I suppose...

and thanks :) I'm really pleased with it so far, cant wait for the heat shield housing, gonna look sweet :D

ATScape
05-29-13, 09:03 PM
Sounds sweet

Hoosier Daddy
05-29-13, 09:17 PM
!!!VIDEO!!!* why cant you embed on this forum?
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDalryttReA
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes I hate it that you can't do this: ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDalryttReA

Stevo Supremo
05-29-13, 09:52 PM
Yes I hate it that you can't do this: ;)



ah found it lol, this is the only forum I've been on where you couldn't just C+P the link, well thanks for posting that up and making me look for how to do it haha!:thumbsup:

gfxbt
05-29-13, 10:10 PM
An oil separator? Please elaborate. Thanks.

Stevo Supremo
05-29-13, 10:49 PM
eh, hard to explain, pop that part off and have a look in there, theirs a plastic honeycomb insert, I'm pretty sure its an oil baffle of some sort as theirs a line that connects with it that can foul the intake with oil.

Honestly, with aluminum pipe it was a TAD louder (not much) and like I said, when we data logged over a week with that pipe I didn't really feel comfortable with what we were getting.(running a bit lean)

I mean I suppose it could be removed and tuned out and whatever, but it just really wasn't enough of a tone difference without it to hassle with replacing it, and I HIGHLY doubt theres ANY performance change with that piece on there as well. My main goal is/was to get that sweet sound I like outta the car while retaining as much factory stuff as I can.

but I suppose things can always be tweaked in the future, my biggest thing was to get that filter/maf bung made and put on.

A final word, if any of you are putting a custom made intake on, please for the love of God DATA LOG IT! my MAF was off by a few inches(corrected now) and it was mucking with the trims, so keep that in mind.

gfxbt
05-29-13, 11:19 PM
I have taken it apart, and in fact, have the resonator out as we speak. I was under the impression that it was simply there as passive noise cancellation. Now that you talk about oil, I am concerned about running the car without it.

I'm just curious (as I am not extremely knowledgable), where you think the oil would be coming from that the resonator is trapping. The air going into the resonator is passing through the air box, through the "rubber tube," then into the resonator before turbo. It seems to me like it would just be ambient air traveling Pre-turbo (I.e., just air from outside, and thus, no oil).

Not trying to challenge you here, just trying to get a better understanding.

Also, you talk about data logging with the new intake. What are you using to data log? Thanks.

Stevo Supremo
05-29-13, 11:58 PM
I have taken it apart, and in fact, have the resonator out as we speak. I was under the impression that it was simply there as passive noise cancellation. Now that you talk about oil, I am concerned about running the car without it.

I'm just curious (as I am not extremely knowledgable), where you think the oil would be coming from that the resonator is trapping. The air going into the resonator is passing through the air box, through the "rubber tube," then into the resonator before turbo. It seems to me like it would just be ambient air traveling Pre-turbo (I.e., just air from outside, and thus, no oil).

Not trying to challenge you here, just trying to get a better understanding.

Also, you talk about data logging with the new intake. What are you using to data log? Thanks.


nah its alright I didn't think you were challenging me lol.

Airs not the only thing going into the intake, you see that Braided line you see going into that housing? pop it off and feel the inside of it, I'm willing to bet its greasy, its a breather/return line, now, I don't know if that insert is for oil separation or a sound baffle (race shop says an oil control device) but we just erred on the side of safety and felt it was best not to muck around with it for now, theirs just no need to do so.

gfxbt
05-30-13, 08:21 AM
Thanks for the explanation.

Siren05
05-30-13, 08:23 AM
eh, hard to explain, pop that part off and have a look in there, theirs a plastic honeycomb insert, I'm pretty sure its an oil baffle of some sort as theirs a line that connects with it that can foul the intake with oil.

Honestly, with aluminum pipe it was a TAD louder (not much) and like I said, when we data logged over a week with that pipe I didn't really feel comfortable with what we were getting.(running a bit lean)

I mean I suppose it could be removed and tuned out and whatever, but it just really wasn't enough of a tone difference without it to hassle with replacing it, and I HIGHLY doubt theres ANY performance change with that piece on there as well. My main goal is/was to get that sweet sound I like outta the car while retaining as much factory stuff as I can.

but I suppose things can always be tweaked in the future, my biggest thing was to get that filter/maf bung made and put on.

A final word, if any of you are putting a custom made intake on, please for the love of God DATA LOG IT! my MAF was off by a few inches(corrected now) and it was mucking with the trims, so keep that in mind.

I remember I was told on this very thread that I should punch myself in the face if I think an intake could
Cause leaning out under load which could be very bad for boosty engines. Also in order for you to utilize
Intake a tune is needed to account for the extra air and create power..
I always do intakes last with injectors.:) for hirsepower

SLA
05-30-13, 08:39 AM
I remember I was told on this very thread that I should punch myself in the face if I think an intake could
Cause leaning out under load which could be very bad for boosty engines. Also in order for you to utilize
Intake a tune is needed to account for the extra air and create power..
I always do intakes last with injectors.:) for hirsepower

Yep! I said the same thing.

Also, from a post I read the other day it doesn't sound like you'll see any gains without tuning. Apparently the ECU has a learn down feature back to the stock power levels.

Stevo Supremo
05-30-13, 09:12 AM
I remember I was told on this very thread that I should punch myself in the face if I think an intake could
Cause leaning out under load which could be very bad for boosty engines. Also in order for you to utilize
Intake a tune is needed to account for the extra air and create power..
I always do intakes last with injectors.:) for hirsepower

lol I know, and like I said, gains? eh, but you can feel it pull a wee bit more in the top end, also, I'm getting it tuned in the future, I mainly got the intake done now because I LOVE the sound it creates, on my supercharged cobalt I got the intake done JUST to hear more blower whine... FINALLY I have stated that I've been monitoring it, and with this current setup everything seems to be running a-ok, shes not running lean. :) and that wasn't me that told you to punch yourself lol.



Yep! I said the same thing.

Also, from a post I read the other day it doesn't sound like you'll see any gains without tuning. Apparently the ECU has a learn down feature back to the stock power levels.
yeah and like I said, I'm mainly doing this for the change in sound, I love the way the car sounds now and I know that until I get it tuned(which is happening after I get the DP done) I wont really see any gains.

Dun worry guys I got this :P I know that intakes dont produce any noticeable gains without tunes, but I'll say it ONCE more, I did this for three reasons.

1) I'll be getting a tune in the near future, thats for sure, after my downpipe is done, so I got the intake done NOW because I could and now when I DO get it tuned it'll all be there already, and as long as its not running lean/rich (Which its not) then theirs nothin wrong with having it on now.

2) I just wanted it to sound cool, hearing that turbo spool up makes it all worth while :drool:

3) Because I can :thumbsup:

frankdatank
05-30-13, 05:03 PM
How does everyone data log? What are you using?

mikesul
05-31-13, 06:25 PM
Why not remove the "honeycomb" as it probably is a restriction to airflow. Put a RevExtreme catch can on that line to remove any oil. I had one on my CTS 3.6DI and it did remove oil to keep the intake plenum clean. Maybe Tracy can make a smaller unit for the ATS turbo for this application.

Stevo Supremo
05-31-13, 06:38 PM
Why not remove the "honeycomb" as it probably is a restriction to airflow. Put a RevExtreme catch can on that line to remove any oil. I had one on my CTS 3.6DI and it did remove oil to keep the intake plenum clean. Maybe Tracy can make a smaller unit for the ATS turbo for this application.

hmmm, thats not a bad idea and one seriously worth lookin into[COLOR="Silver"]

FDNY-L107
06-01-13, 10:43 AM
you guys may want to reach out to Tracy at RX Performance. Recommend installing an oil catch can. That will solve any oil issues. I would consider Tracy an expert in this area and his company makes some of the best catch cans on the market today. I was told that the plastic located in the intake is indeed a baffle for noise not to separate oil.

tcnole
07-05-13, 10:11 AM
Quick question, what is the intake pipe diameter?

Raven2007
07-08-13, 09:40 AM
This link will help explain. Ive had several GM vehicles # removed the baffle from the MAF. It helps some, and Nome have been tuned



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2945749

roadpie4u
07-08-13, 10:01 AM
Every MAF technology is different - you cannot make a blanket statement about performance and guarantees based on this or that when changing components - even a cold air intake or air filter will impact the reading and the MAF may not be able to perfectly correct/account for it. 9 times out of 10 with newer cars its okay, but that's no guarantee.

Go look at the 4G63 DSM guys from the 90s. Their MAF had a metered passage and an unmetered passage. It knew the diameters of both and calculated the flow based on the flow of one of them. There was a honeycomb in the metered portion to make the flow more laminar - remove the honeycomb for less flow restriction and you gain top end flow - but at low velocity the flow became unpredictable and turbulent and caused tip-in stumbles and issues under light load.

Take an LT1/LS1 MAF and remove the honeycomb and you can get similar issues - but not as severe unless you're running boost - then it can get wonky (which is the benefit of running straight speed density).

Every sensor has a calibrated range that works well on and a range outside of it where it still responds but with a greater error - which is why we have narrowband and wideband o2 sensors, for example, and making any change to the sensor or air path (even with all the air going through the MAF) will tweak it past its caliration. Like said, most of the time these changes are extremely minor and don't cause an issue - but no blanket statement can be made.

As some people have had issues with the LTG already in regards to intakes, I'm still waiting till we get more documentation for me to make a decision. Quite frankly, I'm amazed that even K&N is stepping back from CAIs these days and that should tell people there is a grain of truth to the possibility that on modern DI cars, a CAI can give some odd behavior.