: One thing Edmunds does right; lots of small updates on their ATS



M5eater
05-29-13, 08:27 PM
I've been reading every nuance and small tiddly complaint they've had about their long-termer

http://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/ats/2013/long-term-road-test/interior.html

just browse around a bit would be my suggestion.

Seems as though their ATS may not be of top-tier build quality.

I don't take away from this that they're nagging, more of just reporting.

the thing about the noise on cue start up has to be defeateable.. it just HAS to.

DavidL
05-30-13, 01:35 PM
The build quality of my ATS is the best of any car I've owned over the past 40 years, or so. Excellent 'fit and finish' inside and out.

As to the CUE start-up sound; it surely can be changed in volume, or complete silence. It seems no one reads their owner's manual anymore... just complain without checking anything out.

EvanZaiNa
05-30-13, 07:04 PM
i think my build quality is superb as well...my only (minor) complaint ismthat i'm used to a deeper more snug sport bucket seat...but everything thus far is exquisite

DG2
05-31-13, 03:10 PM
ATS build quality is world class. No apologies or excuses needed. Ditto fir all the new GM products. My Escalade is getting oil change lube today and the dealer gave me a '13 Malibu. I'm impressed !

GM is getting back to where they belong. Making the best It's wonderful to see :)

73JPS
05-31-13, 10:59 PM
I rather despise this sort of 'hack-half-educated-overly-critical-whilst-trying-to-sound-intelligent-and-witty journalism' exemplified by "Engineering Editor" Jason Kavanaugh in his May 31st entry regarding the Safety Seat:

"I get the concept. It alerts the driver only, unlike auditory alerts that let everyone in the car know that something's up. But every time that freakin' seat twitches I want to burn this car to the ground. It is obnoxious and distracting, which is sort of the point of the thing, and sort of the opposite of the point.

Were the ATS mine I'd skip the Safety Seat altogether. Unfortunately, it is compulsory equipment in Premium trim, so I'd be hunting for an electrical connector to unplug."

This is over-criticism at its worst: Firstly, each warning received is the result of the driver doing something wrong (at least at speed), so if you don't want the warnings, stop driving like an idiot and pay attention. Secondly, if the warnings weren't coming through the driver's ass, they would be auditory, which probably wouldn't be any less annoying. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, if the "Engineering Editor" doesn't like the warnings from the Safety Seat, he can elect to select them off through CUE and receive the auditory warnings instead.... instead of claiming the requirement to look for an electrical connector to disconnect!

"I get the concept" that the author doesn't like the Safety Seat warnings, and I'm okay with that; I absolutely hate the idea that he has made it seem like the driver doesn't have a choice to select the seat off: that's just poor research and irresponsible reporting.

mcaffey
06-01-13, 12:17 AM
I agree that the reviewer is saying some silly things. The build quality of my ATS is great. I'm very satisfied. I like the lane departure and collision warning systems. Yeah CUE could use some work but overall this is a great car.

Before I had a BMW 3 Series. Bought it new. Had it six years. Drove great. But talk about reliability problems. I had it in for various serious problems 9 times in 6 years. Three of those were times it had to be towed. So this guy lecturing about the superior build quality of BMW does not ring true with me.

Fraggy
06-01-13, 01:27 AM
I agree that the reviewer is saying some silly things. The build quality of my ATS is great. I'm very satisfied. I like the lane departure and collision warning systems. Yeah CUE could use some work but overall this is a great car.

Before I had a BMW 3 Series. Bought it new. Had it six years. Drove great. But talk about reliability problems. I had it in for various serious problems 9 times in 6 years. Three of those were times it had to be towed. So this guy lecturing about the superior build quality of BMW does not ring true with me.

Me either.

Afaik, the seat vibration can be changed to a tone, or nothing at all, heck, you can even turn off lane departure as a whole.

73JPS
06-01-13, 02:25 AM
Me either.

Afaik, the seat vibration can be changed to a tone, or nothing at all, heck, you can even turn off lane departure as a whole.

Yes you are correct. And the guy reporting for Edmunds (who can't be bothered to understand the options available before going on a stupid pedantic rant) couldn't figure that out: and he's an "Engineering Editor"... whatever that means.

Hoosier Daddy
06-01-13, 09:47 AM
Were you people home sick the day they taught that car salesmen are hired for selling not knowing about cars and automotive journalists are hired for writing not knowing about cars? :)

M5eater
06-01-13, 10:34 AM
Take the rants with a grain of salt people.

There are 20 different people driving this car for a piffily 20K miles. Of course being brand new concepts toward functional devices, they're not going to have time to figure the shit out like you and I would.

They have 20 other cars to drive the same month.

73JPS
06-01-13, 10:41 AM
Take the rants with a grain of salt people.

There are 20 different people driving this car for a piffily 20K miles. Of course being brand new concepts toward functional devices, they're not going to have time to figure the shit out like you and I would.

They have 20 other cars to drive the same month.

Doesn't that just sort of sum up the problem with journalism in general? People write "sound bites" on things of which they know nothing; readers read it and end up incorrectly informed.

M5eater
06-01-13, 10:56 AM
Doesn't that just sort of sum up the problem with journalism in general? People write "sound bites" on things of which they know nothing; readers read it and end up incorrectly informed.
I could rant on for pages on what problems I have with national media and the 'trust' people place in it, undeservingly.

The main thing to remember is that in automotive journalism, time is so short in the vehicle's they're testing and cars are so similarly well made these days that the only thing left to do *is* nit-pick about the bullshit.

The era of vast engineering or design fallacies are mostly over(Acura and D/I excluded), and when we *do* have failures they sometimes let their personal or business preferences get in the way of being unbiased because lets face it, A lot of their readers buy those cars in the hundreds of thousands.

I can't blame them for that. If I were in such a position as them I'm not certain I would have the mental discipline or business capacity to be truly unbiased. What erks me is that people don't think for themselves and eat up these reviews or reports as if it's solid evidence and start finger pointing because of it. They place upmost trust in people that are by nature of being human and in an environment where bad news sells and editors may have a final say in what you report-- prevents true accurate reporting from happening.

Its why I don't watch any kind of news anymore.

RippyPartsDept
06-01-13, 11:18 AM
i'm pretty sure the CUE startup sound is at the bottom of the list of Radio settings