: Tire Help! from the pro's



Cadispeedster
05-26-13, 05:00 PM
Firestone Firehawk Wide Oval Indy 500 $165 per with free alignment check
Size: 245/45R18
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 100W
Load Range: XL
UTQG: 320 A A

Michelin Pilot Super Sport $226 per with $70 set of 4
Size: 245/45ZR18
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: (100Y)
Load Range: XL
UTQG: 300 AA A

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus $230 per with $70 set of 4
Size: 245/45ZR18
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 96Y
UTQG: 500 AA A

OK! So I'm tire shopping and need help fairly quick if possible please...

I'm going to get a great deal on the firestones if I go in today and get them, but I'm not sure it'll be worth it. I'm a huge michelin pilot fan, especially on my motorcycles... But I'm worried about the tread wear ratings. The 300 aa a (michelin) seams to be better then the 320 a a (firestone)... But the 500 aa a would be optimal, correct? The lower first number means it will wear more for less longevity...? Traction also less...

The price is going to be half for a set of 4 with alignment... but I'm unsure I'll be content with this tire... I'm really in the market for these super sports... hmmm

Thanks for any timely help!

darkman
05-26-13, 05:59 PM
You cannot compare those numbers across brands.

I have the Michelin Super Sports and love the grip. I have not had them long enough to report on mileage.

I don't think A/S Plus will provide enough grip for my tastes, but I don't know hard you drive around corners.

Motown Cad
05-26-13, 06:36 PM
I thought we had 19 inch rims:hmm:

Naf
05-26-13, 07:49 PM
The lower the number the more grip, but the less mileage u get.

I had hankook rs3 also goodyear f1 all seasons toyo r888 and now michelin pilot sports

The heat melt my tires regardless of the numbers so couldnt comment on mileage

thebigjimsho
05-26-13, 09:21 PM
I thought we had 19 inch rims:hmm:

What are you smokin'?

Andringa
05-26-13, 10:18 PM
You appear to be shopping purely on price?

Those are three completely different tires.
The Firestone is a mid level summer tire, the Super Sports are one of the best summer tires you can buy and then you have an all season?

What do you plan on using the tires for? How do you drive? Do you want to get 10k or 30k out of these tires? Do you need/want an all season?

AAIIIC
05-26-13, 11:32 PM
OK! So I'm tire shopping and need help fairly quick if possible please...

I'm going to get a great deal on the firestones if I go in today and get them, but I'm not sure it'll be worth it.
I'm not sure what recommendations you were expecting from anyone since, as Andringa pointed out, you've listed 3 very different tires and haven't given us any idea what you want from your tires. Longevity? Quiet ride? Maximum cornering grip? Great wet performance? The ability to handle cold weather and mild winter conditions? etc etc...

Cadispeedster
05-27-13, 03:07 AM
I'm not sure what recommendations you were expecting from anyone since, as Andringa pointed out, you've listed 3 very different tires and haven't given us any idea what you want from your tires. Longevity? Quiet ride? Maximum cornering grip? Great wet performance? The ability to handle cold weather and mild winter conditions? etc etc...

You appear to be shopping purely on price?

Those are three completely different tires.
The Firestone is a mid level summer tire, the Super Sports are one of the best summer tires you can buy and then you have an all season?

What do you plan on using the tires for? How do you drive? Do you want to get 10k or 30k out of these tires? Do you need/want an all season?
Thanks all...

And yeah you two guys are right. But I was asking mainly what the difference in the tread wear, more or less would I be happy with the firestones performance with a less tread wear. Quiet would be nice, but... Firestone was claiming that there tires where just as good as the michelins because they're researched from indy races. idk... But I decided not to go with them, I don't think I'd be happy with them. All in all I'm looking for something best of all worlds more or less a great all around tire. However, I'm not sure I'll be happy with anything else then the super sports, which I have on my other car and a similar type tire on my bike. Everything is important, but the most in my mind, being a high performance car, is performance...

RyRidesMotoX
05-27-13, 06:49 AM
I have had a few sets of Hankook rs3 tires on my other car. When my Michelins (that came on the V when I got it) run out I'm going to probably go with the hankooks. I had them on my Cobalt and they held up to a lot of abuse and I still got 25k out of em for the commute (40 miles each way on an interstate). All in all a pretty good all arounder. I like the Michelin cups but last time I priced them they were like $100 more per tire than the Hankooks and the little extra performance wasn't worth that much IMHO.

thebigjimsho
05-27-13, 09:35 AM
Thanks all...

And yeah you two guys are right. But I was asking mainly what the difference in the tread wear, more or less would I be happy with the firestones performance with a less tread wear. Quiet would be nice, but... Firestone was claiming that there tires where just as good as the michelins because they're researched from indy races. idk... But I decided not to go with them, I don't think I'd be happy with them. All in all I'm looking for something best of all worlds more or less a great all around tire. However, I'm not sure I'll be happy with anything else then the super sports, which I have on my other car and a similar type tire on my bike. Everything is important, but the most in my mind, being a high performance car, is performance...

OK, Firestone can claim they get research back from Indy races.

Michelin gets research back from F1 races. /conversation

Not only did Michelin get research back from F1, F1 tried to reduce speeds years back running on small rims. The tires had to have large sidewalls. When I put PS2s on my '04 V, I was amazed at how well they communicated exactly what the tire was doing, at all times. I feel like I've got a really good feel on how my cars drive and handle, and their limits. It was like those PS2s were talking to me.

Until I drive a tire that hits me the way that one did, I'll always favor PS2s and PSSs...

Andringa
05-27-13, 09:45 AM
I had a set of Pilot Sport 2 and then potenza RE760 Sport (rated just above the firestones in their category on tire rack #2 vs #3).

There was no comparison in grip or communication as TheBigJimSHO pointed out.

That is why I have a set of PSS waiting to go on when the 760s are done.

AAIIIC
05-27-13, 07:09 PM
I've never had a set of the various Pilots (PS, PS2, now PSS), but they've been the top tire for all-around performance for a while. And now the PSS has a 30k mile tread wear warranty - the first (and I believe still the only) max performance summer tire to offer one.

RyRidesMotoX
05-27-13, 07:57 PM
Yea but its all in how you drive them. If you are on a track they will probably pro rate the replacement of the tires. Which is awesome either way, who is gonna turn down a discount on new tires? Not I!

Andringa
05-27-13, 09:37 PM
Yea but its all in how you drive them. If you are on a track they will probably pro rate the replacement of the tires. Which is awesome either way, who is gonna turn down a discount on new tires? Not I!

Actually track use or competitive use voids the mileage warranty.

JDB
05-28-13, 08:38 AM
Actually track use or competitive use voids the mileage warranty.

How would the tire shop or Michelin know?

To the OP, I have PS2 on now and they're more grip and better wear than the Goodyear F1 GS D3 that was on my V when I bought it. I really like the better grip of the Dunlop Star Specs but they went fast....and the PS2s just happen to be on the extra set of wheels that I bought. For all those people across other forums that I'm on love the PSS, it seems to be the current best bang for buck and grip (and mileage? ) tire out there.

Andringa
05-28-13, 11:29 AM
How would the tire shop or Michelin know?

To the OP, I have PS2 on now and they're more grip and better wear than the Goodyear F1 GS D3 that was on my V when I bought it. I really like the better grip of the Dunlop Star Specs but they went fast....and the PS2s just happen to be on the extra set of wheels that I bought. For all those people across other forums that I'm on love the PSS, it seems to be the current best bang for buck and grip (and mileage? ) tire out there.

I suppose you can get tire wear that "indicates" track/competitive use, they wouldn't really be able to "prove" it though.

I just pointed it out, so that people don't think they can buy a set of PSS, run them at the track a few weekends and go get a new set.

mackey
05-28-13, 11:37 AM
How would the tire shop or Michelin know? I'm betting it'd be on you to prove you weren't on track than the other way around. They would most certainly scrutinize why you're burning through them in less than their mileage rating

Though wouldn't it be awesome if it still lasted 30k mi with trackdays?

RyRidesMotoX
05-28-13, 12:09 PM
The track day wear looks a lot like aggressive canyon carving as well. They couldn't prove 100% if you were in a track or not, I wager.