: The next Albatross? Airbus A380 Superjumbo



Playdrv4me
01-18-05, 10:45 AM
Given the current state of aeronautical affairs, I find it hard to believe too many airlines, at least domestically, will be purchasing one of these...

It could very well be the new Cadillac of the skies...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050118/481/tou11901181258

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050118/capt.tou11901181258.france_airbus_tou119.jpg

Katshot
01-18-05, 11:10 AM
Yeah, that's great. Now we can lose over 800 people at a time if one goes down. :rolleyes:

RBraczyk
01-18-05, 11:24 AM
Population control Katshot...

HotRodSaint
01-18-05, 11:57 AM
Given the current state of aeronautical affairs, I find it hard to believe too many airlines, at least domestically, will be purchasing one of these...

FedEx has placed a 4 billion dollar order which I think is for 10 planes.

So far, only SFO is capable of letting them land them in the US.

Other airports are spending millions to upgrade.

Stoneage_Caddy
01-18-05, 12:42 PM
Atlanta cant hold it ?

what about insureance .......33% more passengers than the 747 ....each passenger has to be insured if i remeber right ...thats got to be a killer .....

i hope homeland security has a grip on the whole deal

davesdeville
01-18-05, 02:45 PM
It'll work great on high volume routes like NY-Chicago or LA, keeping crew/pax ratios down. Yeah Kat, we can lose 800 when one goes down or we could lose 200 in 4 smaller planes that go down... I'm pretty confident most airports will be fine with a plane that size, I know ABQ international will be with 13000' of runway, we've had plenty of C5s and even one AN125 visit Kirtland AFB.

c5 rv
01-18-05, 02:59 PM
"The A380 has 49 percent more floor space leaving additional room for features such as on-board shops, bars, casinos or even nurseries."

The maker of every new, bigger airliner talks about these great features, but they are quickly turned into a big bus. I wouldn't be surprised if there will eventually be 1,000 passenger configurations.

Elvis
01-18-05, 05:41 PM
FedEx says it will save them 15% on overseas routes. I have two friends who have already been to Airbus school, one is a trainer about to retire, the other is still under 50 and should be set for life once he starts flying those big boys.

airbalancer
01-18-05, 06:31 PM
[QUOTE=Playdrv4me]Given the current state of aeronautical affairs, I find it hard to believe too many airlines, at least domestically, will be purchasing one of these...

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My son is finishing this year in areospace engineering and has a interview with the airforce next week because there is no jobs out there. Boeing has just close a plant in Toronto.

Ralph
01-18-05, 06:36 PM
[QUOTE=Playdrv4me]Given the current state of aeronautical affairs, I find it hard to believe too many airlines, at least domestically, will be purchasing one of these...

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My son is finishing this year in areospace engineering and has a interview with the airforce next week because there is no jobs out there. Boeing has just close a plant in Toronto.

Didn't Air Canada just lay off another 200 maintenance workers? Meanwhile, Air Canada pilots make something like a million dollars a year!!! WestJet pilots don't make near that much and I would feel safe flying with Westjet because my cousin is a pilot with them and they don't make cuts in the most important aspect=SAFETY!

Vesicant
01-18-05, 06:59 PM
Id rather fly in a 747-400

evilrussian
01-18-05, 09:13 PM
I hope Ukrainians will get their shit together and start building commercial MEGA-planes, hell, they have built some of the record breaking aircrafts in the past (talikng payload). Just search for "Mria" and "Ruslan" and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Rolex
01-18-05, 09:29 PM
The part of flying I hate most (other than landing) is waiting to get off the plane. Can you imagine waiting on 800 people? :confused:

Night Wolf
01-18-05, 10:40 PM
I saw this eailer... I don't care for Airbus that much

yeah... casinos... so when you are on the plane for 2 hours going from NY to Chicago...for about an hour you can gamble... how fun!

Boeing is coming out with a bigger version of the 747 too

the most popular place is still the tired and ture 737.... it's like the Toyota Camry of the skies...

airbalancer
01-19-05, 08:53 AM
The part of flying I hate most (other than landing) is waiting to get off the plane. Can you imagine waiting on 800 people? :confused:
Most airports can not handle the plane of that size.
runways are fine.
It is handling the backage is the problem.
It will cost 100's of million $ to get Airports ready

HotRodSaint
01-19-05, 12:43 PM
Most airports can not handle the plane of that size.
runways are fine.
It is handling the backage is the problem.
It will cost 100's of million $ to get Airports ready

I read it has a shorter take-off and landing. It's the terminals and taxi ways that need to be reconfigured.

They also said that Airbus needs 250 planes to break even. They are now at 149.

Boeings comment was, it's more lucrative to connect large airports with small ones.

MEJIA
01-19-05, 11:09 PM
The part of flying I hate most (other than landing) is waiting to get off the plane. Can you imagine waiting on 800 people? :confused:

When the plane land I am usually anxious to get out of the plane that is when I am on vacation, when I am traveling for buisness I am usually on a hurry. So waiting for 800 people ot get down seems crazy for me.....
Just as said by Rolex.....

Mejia

Ralph
01-19-05, 11:12 PM
The problem I can see with a craft of this size is under-booking. When have planes ever flown at capacity? Is it often? The planes that went down during 911 only had something like 60 people in it, well one anyway. So couldn't this be seen as a bit wasteful unless they are going to fill it to capacity?

davesdeville
01-19-05, 11:23 PM
Boeings comment was, it's more lucrative to connect large airports with small ones.

Boeing should remember that no matter how many smaller airports you connect to, there are still a ton of people who need to get between big cities, and a ton more going through hubs.

Airbus should do OK with the 380.

HotRodSaint
01-19-05, 11:24 PM
I heard on the radio today that the EU is pressuring Thailand into buying 6 of them, by offering to lift a tarriff on shrimp.

HotRodSaint
01-20-05, 12:06 PM
Boeing should remember that no matter how many smaller airports you connect to, there are still a ton of people who need to get between big cities, and a ton more going through hubs.

Airbus should do OK with the 380.

I have traveled to many large and small cities in the US and abroad. I can't remember how few times I was actually on a 747.

The Dallas to Los Angeles (or Long Beach and John Wayne for that matter) flight is always overbooked. But never is there a 747 on that route the next time I arrive. Only wide bodies.

Even the popular LA to Newark, uses a wide body plane (not up on the model numbers sorry).

I think the only flight I remember that used a 747 was LAX to Tokyo. And I've flown to London, Milan (maybe), Frankfurt, Kuala Lumpur, Santiago and Sydney (maybe) from the US.

So while it is certainly an achievment in aviation, it might not be an achievment in business.

It's a socialist company with EU nationlist ownership. Neither socialism nor nationalism is known to make sound business decisions. They are formed to put workers to work, and show how superior their technology is to the world (or in Frances case, the US).

Look at the other historical aviation achievement of France, which was also never copied by Boeing or McDonald Douglas, the now grounded super sonic Concorde. Another plane that required airports to invest money.

Our local municipal or state owned airports have much better things to do than spend their money on helping Airbus succeed. I'd rather have them spend money to help terrorists fail.

End the lines at the security counter, before you worry about the line to board a plane. Because the security line effects every flyer, not just those on their way to Tokyo or Paris.

For Boeings sake, I hope I'm right. For our nations sake, I hope our airports understand that passengers want safety more than capacity.

RBraczyk
01-20-05, 12:22 PM
757's and 767's are most popular for transnation flights.

davesdeville
01-20-05, 08:50 PM
For Boeings sake, I hope I'm right. For our nations sake, I hope our airports understand that passengers want safety more than capacity.

Passengers want lower prices or more room... if the airlines use bigger planes and good planning that's possible.

majax
01-20-05, 11:48 PM
Don't worry Boeings comeback will be here in a few months. It is called the 7E7, my uncle works for Boeing in Seattle so I got the scoop. TAnyone at Boeing working on the plane has to work saturdays and have no vacations. Currently my uncle is the repair engineer for the 737s

HotRodSaint
01-20-05, 11:56 PM
Passengers want lower prices or more room... if the airlines use bigger planes and good planning that's possible.

That's what airlines want to give customers.

Airports are government entities that must weigh the value of upgrading an airport to handle one plane or securing it from terrorism.

The customer would like to have all of that, and pay less.

We all know that won't happen. So priorities need to be made.

Passenger/national security should trump the EU's desire to sell planes IMHO.

Hell, France looses 'live' explosives in their airport training. They should secure their nations airports first then build planes.

davesdeville
01-21-05, 12:10 AM
Your contempt for progressive ideas extends so far that you can't stand a better airplane being put into service just because it's from Europe. It's almost amusing how much hate you have.

Vesicant
01-21-05, 01:06 AM
Don't worry Boeings comeback will be here in a few months. It is called the 7E7, my uncle works for Boeing in Seattle so I got the scoop. TAnyone at Boeing working on the plane has to work saturdays and have no vacations. Currently my uncle is the repair engineer for the 737s


7E7 is a great lookin aircraft, with a nice interior as well:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/images/k62536.jpg

skides1
01-21-05, 01:46 AM
I am from Seattle too and the 7E7 is in the news daily. I have seen a mockup of the interior and it looks awesome! The last flight I had between Denver and Seattle was on a 767 http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/technical.html
The 767 plane makes ALL intercontinental jets look like jalopies except a regional jet http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation/FlightCommercial/show.asp?tg=TAFVolume15/TAFV15P12_09 which is essentially a stretch Private Jet-super quiet with an cabin air pressure system that is almost transparent to my ears. We should all be flying around in a FlexJet Embraer! I have flown on several Airbus planes and they are noisy, spartan, and cramped! I hate mass transit and just because someone makes a triple length metro bus doesn't mean I'll ride in it! I really hope Airbus makes 20 of them and loses the contracts tanking the company-no offense.

Vesicant
01-21-05, 01:57 AM
I have flown on several Airbus planes and they are noisy, spartan, and cramped! I hate mass transit and just because someone makes a triple length metro bus doesn't mean I'll ride in it! I really hope Airbus makes 20 of them and loses the contracts tanking the company-no offense.

Hence the word "bus" in Airbus lol... :basketcas

HotRodSaint
01-21-05, 02:36 AM
Your contempt for progressive ideas extends so far that you can't stand a better airplane being put into service just because it's from Europe. It's almost amusing how much hate you have.

And everytime I travel, I ask the travel agent to keep me off of the socialist made airplanes and their socialist controlled airlines. :lildevil:

It has nothing to do with the failure of your sacred socialist societies and everything to do with setting proper priorities for our own nation.

Is it better for the Los Angeles Airport to spend their limited resources to upgrade their airport for a new plane that may or may not succeed, or to spend those limited resources on airport security?

This has nothing to do with my distaste for your socialist politics, and everything to do with my concern for our nations saftey.

You socialists like to whine about how we need more money for this and that program.

Where exactly do you think that the money is coming from to upgrade airports to handle this plane? Do you think the good people of Los Angeles county aren't paying enough taxes? Or maybe you think that higher airport user fee's will encourage more travel and lead to the need for this plane? :histeric:

And lastly, do all socialist root for Boeing to layoff more workers so France can maintain their socialist programs without laying off theirs? Or is that your own special kind of progressive ideals?

You're just an idiot with a politcal label sewn to your sleave. Take that label off and try thinking before you speak for once :annoyed:

NewCaddyFan
01-31-05, 12:03 AM
"The A380 has 49 percent more floor space leaving additional room for features such as on-board shops, bars, casinos or even nurseries."

The maker of every new, bigger airliner talks about these great features, but they are quickly turned into a big bus. I wouldn't be surprised if there will eventually be 1,000 passenger configurations.

Yea - who do you think is going to pay for that space? They can sell you booze in your seat. Unless these services are used at very high prices I bet they will be just giant cattle cars in the sky. Its all about money.

HotRodSaint
03-12-05, 11:01 AM
Mr Camus warned that if the exchange rate were to remain at about 1/$1.30 in the long term, it could move the break-even production level of its A380 superjumbo programme from 250 to about 300 aircraft. (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/6f985466-9108-11d9-9980-00000e2511c8.html)