: You ruined the Deville



CoupeDevilleRob
01-17-05, 01:48 PM
I just saw pictures of the 2006 DTS presidential limo. Congradulations, you destroyed the Deville. The front end looks like the remnants of an Escalade vs XLR wreck. I'm so disappointed I'm at a loss for words really. I'm glad you didn't defile the Deville name by putting it on that car.

I am very fond of the back though. Very classy and Deville like.

berkin
01-19-05, 06:23 PM
Yeah,

Why does't it use the rwd Sigma chassis?

thiamgo
01-23-05, 09:36 AM
Fully agree. The car looks like it's been designed by Soviet Polit Bureau. Don't like the rear end either. It resembles the last K-car derived Chrysler New Yorkers from the late 80's:banghead: .

Vrocks
01-28-05, 06:37 PM
I'm holding final judgment until I see a "regular" DTS, in person. It has been know for years that the new DTS would remain FWD, and not based upon the SIGMA platform. They only have so much money to spend, the ULS will be the large high end Cadillac to compete with the S and 7 series type cars. The DTS will cater to it's current market, people who purchase the DTS wont mind the FWD, it's a great setup for year round driving.

bobbythebuilder
01-29-05, 04:54 AM
I'll also hold judgement, the limo is some sort of mock-up. I wonder which RWD chassis they used, may have been a truck chassis, considering the size. Using the truck set-up would make sense for emergency use, like driving over curbs, etc.

As far as FWD vs RWD, my parents have owned 5 DeVilles in a row, going back to '94. They are the prototypical DeVille buyer. While Cadillac is moving younger, they still have to take care of their bread and butter crowd. Here in Wisconsin, FWD with trac control, ABS, etc. makes for a perfect 4 season car. Since Caddy has all of these new RWD cars, they've gotta leave at least one FWD for the many, many buyers who love it.

ccclarke
04-27-05, 07:21 PM
THE Deville isn't necessarily ruined, maybe A Deville was ruined. But hey, it's for the President, and the looks of the presidential limo aren't nearly as high a priority as SURVIVABILITY. It sure would be interesting to see what the inside looks like though. We get XM, the Pres gets UHF/VHF/SATCOMM!

alex6999
06-08-05, 01:18 AM
Fully agree. The car looks like it's been designed by Soviet Polit Bureau. Don't like the rear end either. It resembles the last K-car derived Chrysler New Yorkers from the late 80's:banghead: .
Russian magazine "Behind the steering wheel" wrote in Jan 2005
"New Bush's limo Cadillac DTS look like ZIL or Chaika(gull)"
http://www.avtobaza.ru/images/avtopics/ZIL/ZIL_PIC_001.JPG
more small pictures here:
http://www.os1.ru/article/test/2003_02_A_2005_02_02-16_47_42/
http://www.whatodo.ru/csn/03-2000/exploit/exploit.htm

94CaddyConcours
06-09-05, 10:49 PM
Look more like a hearse.

cadibrougham
06-10-05, 07:07 PM
I hated the 06 abc or xyz or yeah the DTS (DEVILLE TOURING SEDAN?) But after looking at it for a while online and from a distance i noticed it was a DEVILLE. like when your driving on the freeway and you see a 96-99 deville coming on the other lane then you see it up close and mistake it for a 00-05 deville.
and i am starting to like it. i cant wait till oct and i will go and test drive it. the sts and cts are to small for me i need a deville. if i buy one i will have the DTS insignia removed and have deville and d'elegance insignia installed. i wonder how it will drive.

I like the land yacht ride not too firm for traction or control or to soft.. thats why i get devilles or possiblt DTS because their ride is exeptional soft and bouncy and firm when needed.
the 06 is not THAT ugly.:)

mccombie_5
06-13-05, 07:29 PM
i totally agree, that vehicle is awful, my wwife has the 2004 model, i was thinking of replacement in 2006. i think we'll be keeping the 04! the front looks way too thin for my liking, the current model is way better

GreenMachine
07-23-05, 10:47 AM
The presidential limo is way differant than the actual one, the pillars are thicker to hold the glass and the front end/winshield looks differant. The actual one looks like the previous deville only with the new edgy style. Still debateing if I like it or not, better or worse, over the older one. Right now it seems like your just paying for 1HP differance and a new body style. Wonder what this one will get in crash tests, some cadillacs didn't do so well because of airbag sensor problems (recalled) and something to do with the way the body holds up to a crash.

http://www.cadillac.com/images/models/dts/gallery/photoExt2_med.jpghttp://www.cadillac.com/images/models/dts/gallery/photoExt3_med.jpg

http://www.cadillac.com/images/models/dts/gallery/photoExt5_med.jpghttp://www.cadillac.com/images/models/dts/gallery/photoExt6_med.jpg

Specifications (Not Final):

Engine Typehttp://www.cadillac.com/images/s.gif:

Northstar 4.6L V8 (FWD)


Horsepower/Torquehttp://www.cadillac.com/images/s.gif:

275 hp at 5,200 rpm / 292 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm

291 hp at 5,600 rpm / 286 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm


Transmission:

http://www.cadillac.com/images/s.gifHydra-Matic 4T80-E 4-speed automatic, eletronically controlled with overdrive

mccombie_5
07-27-05, 03:42 PM
It is growing on me. I still dont like those front headlamps. Too much like the new STS.

ben72227
07-28-05, 01:26 PM
The grill is a BIT too much IMHO, I liked the old one better, and the rear end - with those Monte Carlo taillights:crying:. I'll get used to it though, and it looks good in red:thumbsup:

2002silverbullet sts
08-02-05, 07:44 PM
i kinda thought the deville was heading to be light that..but my biggest question is why the tail lights on the new sts is like the deville? isnt that important? keeping the semi same looks on each cars

Jesda
10-08-05, 06:31 PM
STS and CTS are entirely new cars. The only thing the STS shares with the Seville is a trim level name.

99Classillac
03-10-06, 08:21 PM
I think they ruined the Deville too. I own a 99 and I'm proud it's name isn't the alphabet. DTS, STS, CTS, ESV(Escalade). Just give them names and bring the Deville back to glory. BRING BACK THE FIN LIGHTS like on the pre-2000 Devilles too! It used to be the signature look of a Deville, now the DTS is like the rest of the Cadillacs. They all look the same, just different trims and sizes.

Tailfin
03-12-06, 01:25 AM
I feel the consensus of opinions here deserves more support, and hopefully will be listened to. I think they ruined the Deville a long time ago, presidential or not. They kept getting more and more bubbly. We're driving cars, and the wheels are supposed to roll, not the entire car. 2000 really was the nail in the coffin, in my opinion anyway. The saddest and most absurd cutback in the design are the things which I use as a name on this forum. Those front lights are hideous too. Also, taking the emblem/hood ornament and thinning it out and warping it as if it were taken off a sphere made of emblems was a....questionable (forcing my objectivity here...) move. In fact, I don't see a hood ornament now...it's now on the grill... Talk about tacky. We could go back further and mention the awesome crome trim...oh yeah chrome, remember that stuff? Even my 90 has plastic pieces at the back and front which were beginning signs of cheapng out. If plastic's to be used, it ought to go where the vehicle tends to rust, like under the doors instead of wasting wax up on top. A little access port could easily be made for jacking.

Zorb750
03-14-06, 02:10 AM
I want the Zil.

GreenMachine
03-14-06, 03:29 PM
I agree tailfin, I like the pre-2000's much better than the "camry like" 2000-2005's.

What I must say is that this car is MORE like the old devilles than the 2000-2005 cars that actually sported the name. Not a drop of chrome on them, didn't look to Cadillac.

This new DTS (which looks far from the special pres limo) actually has brought back chrome, be plastic or similar material, its back. It was not on the 2000-2005's.

If you order one of these from the factory you CAN get a hood ordament but the "mass-sales" ones were all ordered w/o the hood ordament because the main complaint was "they get stolen".

I challenge you to go to your dealer and look it over from head to tow, in person this car makes a statement, the stacked lights are "back" that in the sense at night theres a row of LED taillights stacked.

This car, combined with the new Cadillac styling (which to awknowledge or not) has brought Cadillac from a top domestic, to something that is actually beginning to be competitive with Europeans. No more just above Lincoln.

When "fins" were introduced people didn't embrace them, they thought they were over the top, but if you look over the course of time Cadillac is now starting to shape the design cues again, just look at what the other companies are doing with "shapes" and you'll notice it.

No more bubbles is right, they wanted this car (and the others) to stand out in a crowd, to actually look like an expensive luxury car. Like it or not the 90's Cadillacs had cheap materials and cheap quality, in 2000 they stepped it up, with this model its up yet another notch.

I like and dislike it but it appears (judgeing by sales) a majority like the new car over the 2000-2005's, it appears to be either bringing buyers back, 2000-2005's are being replaced, or like in the case of one of my neighboors, finally giveing them something to "upgrade" to from their late 90's Deville.

Now, don't look at it as a Deville, the reason they dropped the name is to aviod just that, thats why the new RWD STS isn't called seville, thats why the XLR isn't called Eldorado, etc. These are a new-era in Cadillac, so far moving in this direction has helped...there was talk of actually closing down Cadillac in the 90's, you certainly don't hear that anymore.

bitteroldhag
04-09-06, 12:05 AM
I agree. The Cadillac needs fin lights. Otherwise, it's a Chevrolet. I note that the new Cadillacs are indistinguisable from Chevrolets. If I wanted a Chevolet, I'd buy that. But I want a Cadillac. Take a page out of Chrysler's PT cruiser and give us real Cadillacs.

HITMONEY
05-05-06, 04:47 PM
I have given the new DTS a chance.... I still don't like it.

I have had one for a few days as a dealer loaner when mine was in the shop... it drove well.. way more floaty than my 02 DTS... but this was a base rental model I think.

So, it performed ok.. the interior is acceptable.. its the outside looks of the thing.. I just can't learn to like it. To me it appears they took a 00-05 DeVille stuck a different nose and tail on it and called it a new car to bide time to totaly redo the car. The nose is horrid, and the tail is worse... everytime i get behind one I cringe.. looks like a Monte Carlo with a Crest glued on.

I gave it almost a year to grow on me.... it grew on me like a weed in my flower bed.

To me it seems they could have done much much better.

gothicaleigh
05-06-06, 09:33 AM
http://autonet.ca/Safety/2005/02/09/dts1.jpg Vs. http://slb.careercast.com/ccimages/nctd/00deville.jpg

gothicaleigh
05-06-06, 09:43 AM
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/dts1.jpg Vs. http://www.filipino.ca/alimoscene/images/interior_cadi1.jpg

No comparison. The 2006 has it over the previous generation.
Better layout, better design, better materials... just better.

Jesda
05-07-06, 08:32 AM
I grew fond of the tank-like look of the old one, but its old.

PAULSTSMAN1
05-07-06, 05:42 PM
CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE DTS

A new model should be added to the DTS line, the DeVille L. This would be a longer wheelbase (probably a custom outsource), a new front Grill ala 2007 Escalade, with the lighting. Drivetrain would be the same for now, except the addition of a 6 speed w/overdrive automatic. Interior greater rear legroom, with interior piping, and 5.1 BOSE SOUND, higher luxury carpeting. This car could serve as Cadillac's Flagship until after 2010 when the next generation of Luxury features could be introduced in whatever the ULS, turns out to be.

Chrysler will offer many of these changes on their 300 L being released as a 2007 model. Also Chrysler has given the go ahead for the Imperial Flagship.

Lord Cadillac
05-08-06, 04:06 PM
I saw a black DTS last night and it really looked nice. It's officially grown on me.. Even the back looked good.. I usually don't care for black cars because you can't see them very good at night. Well, black is very good for the back of the DTS. The lights light-up nicely - and the front is very nice as well.. So I guess I'm a fan of the new DTS in black...

Tailfin
05-09-06, 08:45 AM
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/dts1.jpg Vs. http://www.filipino.ca/alimoscene/images/interior_cadi1.jpg

No comparison. The 2006 has it over the previous generation.
Better layout, better design, better materials... just better.

I'm obligated to disagree. Perhaps there are practical improvements...But some things leave me asking "why?" For example...the shift in the middle. I can't think of one practical reason this would be better than the steering-column mounted version. It eliminates a seat/space, easier to accidentally knock out of gear, and it honestly looks to me like they just put it down there so people can "feel" like they're driving a standard, which is pretty silly.

I would agree that interior has a "neat" look to it, but it also has a cheap one. The materials and foux wood crap just speak to the point. I haven't personally sat in this thing, but that's not the nice vinyl/leather they used on the old ones, is it? Also, this is just opinion, but I think that hump in the dash on the driver's side ruins the symmetry.

I will say that steering wheel looks a bit better than some of the "fat" ones I've seen since the stupid air bag wave, but I still like the 80s wheels better. Anyway, the interior is buggin' me, but it isn't obvious wreckage to me...on the other hand...

The body...*ralph*... No fins, ugly headlights, no hood ornament, no trim, and just nothing to separate it from looking ordinary. It just...ugh...psychologically reminds me of a naked Pikachu doll which just happens to be able to kick my arse lol.

Lord Cadillac
05-09-06, 12:06 PM
What cars still have steering column shifters besides the Lincoln Town Car and the rest of that platform? (Grand Marquis, Crown Victoria) - Just about all cars have the shifter in the middle.

I know BMW has that new, wierd shifter on the column - but don't include that. It's different..

Fake wood? The DTS uses fake good?

Cadillac hasn't used "nice" leather in a long time...

Tailfin
05-13-06, 03:26 AM
I seem to remember looking at Cadillac's site and seeing a shifter mounted on the column on one of the high-end models, but that was a couple years ago, perhaps they've done away with it. But yeah, you don't see it anymore really, which was one of my complaints for the aforementioned reasons.

Yeah fake wood lol... Been that way. I have a 1990, and even then, it was the beginning of the cheap-out age. One of the vehicle's "bragging" points was that the little Fleetwood emblem on the glove compartment was made of real wood... Well that was just the selling point, wasn't it? :bigroll:

GreenMachine
05-19-06, 04:57 AM
I'm obligated to disagree. Perhaps there are practical improvements...But some things leave me asking "why?" For example...the shift in the middle. I can't think of one practical reason this would be better than the steering-column mounted version. It eliminates a seat/space, easier to accidentally knock out of gear, and it honestly looks to me like they just put it down there so people can "feel" like they're driving a standard, which is pretty silly.

It became popular for one reason or another, I know its much easier to use transmission braking with a center shifter (helps in the winter and going down hills). One of the models of the DTS does offer column shifter, local dealership has severl.

As far as easily coming out of gear....nope, thats what the button on the shifter is for, locks while in drive so it can't be hit out of it.

Tailfin
05-27-06, 07:06 AM
Hmm, I haven't personally tried the button shifter on a Cadillac, just had some bad memories of one on a Hyundai I had (first car). If it got knocked, it would slip...button went in itself and all as if it were a bearing or something lol. Anyway, I wasn't really saying it's likely to get knocked out of gear, just "more" likely than one which isn't in swaying way of your arm.

I use transmission braking all the time, and I don't think the middle shifter is easier. It's easier than the old 80s column shifters because those were jerky, but a more modern column shifter is just as smooth, and it's closer to your hand, which doesn't have to go far from the steering wheel. Just makes sense.

mark3601
11-13-06, 09:36 AM
At the cost of getting slamed. I do not get it? I just purchased my very first caddy. the 05 DTS, Now no where on the car dose it say DeVille at all just the DTS. but it seams that I purchased the red hair child from reading some of the post all over. I thought that this was one of caddy best cars I gave up my GMC Denali XL that was the 02 model year for the caddy and I still can not belive that I own a caddy. when I was in my teenage years caddy was for the very rich you know the people that were able to get cars at the drop of a hat. When I purchased this car I had the feeling of Hey I have arrived.

But now all I hear from others is how ugly and bad this is how its not a real caddy and how it could have been done better. Whats Up?

I was under the impression that the saying "This is not your Fathers Buick anymore" was also put to the Caddy that it had grown up some and had been made more in with the times. Thats why no tailfins etc.

For a big family car I thought that the DTS hit a home run giving its owner the best of both worlds sport and touring good ride when you wanted that and more fun when you felt the need for speed. Did I miss something?
Or am I just out of touch with the world?

Just call me stupid

JRau
11-13-06, 04:25 PM
The Deville name was replaced by the name DTS, which stands for Deville Touring Sedan. I don't much care for the alphabet soup names, but that's the way the world of automobiles is heading. Additionally, I don't think the new Cadillacs are as attractive as they used to be. They look like everything else on the road, but at least they are selling. :bigroll:

The saying is "This is not your father's Oldsmobile," not Buick.

And not to be a jerk here, but if you want Cadillac executives to look at your posts seriously, you may want to have someone proofread what you want to post. You have numerous grammatical errors, spelling errors, punctuation errors, and a run on sentence or two. I'm just thinking that they may not take you too seriously with all those mistakes. No offense intended....

JRau in central Iowa

GreenMachine
11-14-06, 09:13 AM
Some people just like their old boats better :) And since these cars seem to run for awhile you grow attached, I have to say though, a Caddy is still a caddy, compare it to years that it was built, my 98 might not have the nice interoir of todays fully loaded Impala lets say, but when you compare it to other cars of the year they stick out. You have a great car, and should certainly feel proud.

Tailfin
11-30-06, 09:21 AM
Cadillac is, indeed, made more with the times, and the times are going down the tubes. Tailfins, straight design, etc... Yeah, I prefer it, but that's just personal preference, I have to admit. However, more to complain about is that Cadillac doesn't stand out anymore. The older Cadillacs were the most luxurious out of pretty much any car of the same time. The engine was always more powerful, the cab was always roomier, the seats were always comfier... No one could touch them. Nowadays, you can find Lincoln giving more cab space, plenty matching the power, and the luxury which it stood for is just not outstanding anymore. The fact that they don't have their unique design that enables you to recognize "That's a Caddy!" at a mile away just adds to the fact that they have become unoriginal in comparison.

As for ugly... Yeah, I think so, but again, that's opinion. All these are examples of one big underlying letdown though... Cadillac has become more follower than leader... They copied the alphabet naming scheme because of simple marketing comparisons to other companies. They are no longer the crown, and no longer have the courage to set the examples instead of following them. If you have a really cool circular saw, you might say "this is the Cadillac of circular saws." That sort of phrase is waning, and deservedly so, with respect to the pursuit of excellence and an image that used to be more important than how they can get the "best of both worlds"...via still try to be luxury and save production cost.

Benzilla
11-30-06, 04:19 PM
I think it looks better than the last Deville, I love the rear, that's the closest to fins you're going to see, deal with it. I got to sit in the red one at the ren-cen, and I loved it, not nearly as cushy as mine are, but it felt pretty well put together to me.