: The ATS reaches new heights- Pfadt's highly anticipated turbo kit is now released!



Pfadt Engineering
05-08-13, 08:05 PM
Pfadt releases its highly anticipated ATS turbo kit!


The Pfadt Cadillac ATS program had one goal in mind: Create an All-American-built vehicle that could meet and exceed the energetic and highly refined performance requirements of today’s consumers. It was time to have a true competitor to pit against the leading rivals. While the ATS is a fantastic platform from the factory, for us at Pfadt Engineering it was just the starting point and the Texas Mile was just a test run. So while our integrated turbo induction solution has been completed for the ATS, trust me....it is only the beginning for us.

At Pfadt we're not just throwing parts at cars either. Our guys come from a reliability background and they are highly educated and talented engineers with a passion for power. They are classically trained engineers and they know exactly how to calculate a components behavior and ensure its reliability and performance are superior. The end result is this: A Cadillac flying down the Texas mile at 162.5 MPH (ranking next to a E63AMG!). The Pfadt design exceeds OEM standards, and I’m not just talking from a performance standpoint, which I don't need to mention since the numbers on the dyno will tell that story for me. I’m talking about our quality. I’m talking about true reliability. I’m talking about, for the first time in a long time an American designed, built, and tuned automobile leading the way. A car that will both scare the hell out of you and give you valued sense of security and reliability. An experience.

Now for the nuts and bolts: The Pfadt Induction Components

• Multiple Turbo options for street/race
• Ram horn style 304 Stainless Tig welded exhaust manifold
• Custom, flow optimized, air-to-air intercooler
• Pfadt custom software mapping (Trifecta Optimized!)
• Carbon fiber high flow cold air intake
• Engineered low restriction turbo downpipe
• Available with factory-fit high efficiency intercooler
• estimated to produce 450 HP+
• Prices Starting at $4999 (depending on turbo selection)


Pfadt Race Engineering has partnered with the leading tuner company for the LTG engine (among countless others): Trifecta Performance. Most of you are well aware of Tifecta's technical capabilities, but this partnership is going to deliver even more impressive results to our customers as we are bridging the best of both software and hardware worlds. Most importantly what this means for you is that you will get a reliable, safe, and powerful tune that has no limits to the potential features. We will expand on this in the coming month, but for now we will keep it simple and say that Trifecta is THE GO-TO company for development on FI applications and is a veery huge asset to the Cadillac community.


Reliable, seamless, dominating power is only one part of the equation though. Aerodynamics and handling have also been addressed by the engineers. The Pfadt ATS features innovations to the exterior styling as well; namely refined body panels and upgraded wheels. We look at optimizing as whole-car approach, not a slap together backyard job. The goal of our approach is to heighten the driver's experience though our commitment to excellence and personal touch. With our new venture into these power systems we are not just solving problems; we are igniting passion in the ATS owner!

"Pfadt ATS, Find your Inspiration"

Check out some of these pictures below. Obviously this kit is currently in production but many of the components are pictured below.




http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_Parts_Edit-00181.jpeg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2518)

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_Parts_Edit-0008.jpeg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2510)

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_Parts_Edit-0036.jpeg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2514)

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/Turbo_Manifold_Glowing.png (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2504)

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/No_Vane_Flow.jpg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2482)
http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_IC_Render_1.png (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2480)
http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_Parts_Edit-0040.jpeg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2517)

http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/ATS_Parts_Edit-0039.jpeg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2516)
http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/data/583/IMG_00541.jpg (http://www.pfadtracing.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/2505)

M5eater
05-08-13, 08:22 PM
oh my

http://theprepperdude.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1335279221566.jpg

Stevo Supremo
05-08-13, 08:31 PM
sweet jesus! 450+HP?!?!

oh and

Inb4willthisvoidmywarrantyquestions

kmb32687
05-08-13, 10:39 PM
450+HP!?!?!??!?!?!?!

Man, I wish I could get it. Im on a lease. :-(

Stevo Supremo
05-08-13, 10:44 PM
450+HP!?!?!??!?!?!?!

Man, I wish I could get it. Im on a lease. :-(

so what... buy your lease out, if I love this car at the end of 3 years as much as I do now I'm buying mine.

Rifle and rucksack
05-08-13, 10:48 PM
This is only for the 2.0 four cylinder right?

kmb32687
05-08-13, 10:52 PM
so what... buy your lease out, if I love this car at the end of 3 years as much as I do now I'm buying mine.

I would but don't have money to buy out. :-(

I guess I have to wait for 3 years and then I should be able afford to buy out. Man, I don't want to wait for 3 years. Lol

Siren05
05-08-13, 11:16 PM
Mmmmmmmm

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Where can I get a price list of parts?

mikesul
05-08-13, 11:55 PM
Very interested in the intake and downpipe. Pricing?

Siren05
05-09-13, 12:11 AM
Very interested in the intake and downpipe. Pricing?
Me too with a tune!

miguelius
05-09-13, 03:50 AM
Wow! I bet that this engine will have a really Pfadt torque curve! :)

Psykostevo
05-09-13, 04:04 AM
450+HP!?!?!??!?!?!?!

Man, I wish I could get it. Im on a lease. :-(

Even better. Return to stock before you turn it back in and then sell the used parts. LOL

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Is Trifecta the only tuning software out there for the ATS at the moment?

Stevo Supremo
05-09-13, 04:05 AM
This is only for the 2.0 four cylinder right?

:yup: yup yup

thebigjimsho
05-09-13, 09:35 AM
I love how tuners feel obliged to one-up each other in marketing babble. That original post should've been half as long. I don't need to hear about the classically trained engineers and their passion for power.

wut.

mikesul
05-09-13, 09:48 AM
so what... buy your lease out, if I love this car at the end of 3 years as much as I do now I'm buying mine.

It's going to be hard to hide that exhaust manifold on a leased car! :)

Hoosier Daddy
05-09-13, 10:15 AM
Is Trifecta the only tuning software out there for the ATS at the moment?
Vtuner might not use Trifecta.

Rozay619
05-09-13, 12:35 PM
Even better. Return to stock before you turn it back in and then sell the used parts. LOL

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Is Trifecta the only tuning software out there for the ATS at the moment?

KPE has a tune also, but they never answer their phone or respond to emails... So I went with (trifecta) through BNR.

mikesul
05-09-13, 01:31 PM
Vtuner might not use Trifecta.
Brian has his own tune, uses handheld tuner and EFI Live software. Handheld can hold up to eight tunes and flashes in around 30 seconds, very handy!

kmb32687
05-10-13, 12:09 AM
Even better. Return to stock before you turn it back in and then sell the used parts. LOL

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Is Trifecta the only tuning software out there for the ATS at the moment?

I could do that but I want free oil change. Lol

Stevo Supremo
05-10-13, 03:42 PM
It's going to be hard to hide that exhaust manifold on a leased car! :)


oh like any normal dealer will know what a stock manifold looks like, and on top of that, I'm sure the headshield can still be made to fit back over.

turbo2.0
05-11-13, 02:11 PM
Are other dealerships in other parts of the country more conservative than here in Texas? We have no problems fully covering warranty on a V that shows up with headers, exhaust, intake, and pulleys. Obviously there are limits to what we can do, but for the most part it comes across as people have no idea that they can't just void your warranty for bolt ons or little upgrades. If you do this full kit on your ATS you probably won't find a dealer that will still warranty the componets that have been modified, but if you could just do the intake, down pipe, exhaust manifold, and an exhaust system there is no reason in the world that your warranty should even be put into question. My big question now is will these componets be available to work with a stock turbo?

Pfadt Engineering
05-14-13, 01:19 PM
:thumbsup:

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KPE has a tune also, but they never answer their phone or respond to emails... So I went with (trifecta) through BNR.
And you really can't go wrong with Trifecta. They have been the king-of-the-hill when it comes to the 2.0:thumbsup:

Siren05
05-14-13, 01:27 PM
Pfadt

I emailed you regarding pricing on your inter cooler and downpipe.

Still waiting on your reply?

Pfadt Engineering
05-14-13, 01:27 PM
Are other dealerships in other parts of the country more conservative than here in Texas? We have no problems fully covering warranty on a V that shows up with headers, exhaust, intake, and pulleys. Obviously there are limits to what we can do, but for the most part it comes across as people have no idea that they can't just void your warranty for bolt ons or little upgrades. If you do this full kit on your ATS you probably won't find a dealer that will still warranty the componets that have been modified, but if you could just do the intake, down pipe, exhaust manifold, and an exhaust system there is no reason in the world that your warranty should even be put into question. My big question now is will these componets be available to work with a stock turbo?


We will offer all of our components in an OEM compatible stage as well. So if you want just want to add some spark to your drive, but keep the turbo stock, I've got you covered! The goal was to get these cars to match the excitement of the driver. Mix & Match, and I highly doubt a dealership will have an issue with some simple bolt ons:thumbsup:

Siren05
05-14-13, 01:29 PM
Pm me

Pfadt Engineering
05-14-13, 01:29 PM
Pfadt

I emailed you regarding pricing on your inter cooler and downpipe.

Still waiting on your reply?

Let me check my emails, I'll get right back to you.

Bertha D Blues
05-14-13, 02:54 PM
I keep reading posts from those who are concerned about voiding their warranty. None thus far have mentioned the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which is a law in the U.S. It provides protections for consumers and supports the Federal Trade Commission in its enforcement. You can look up the whole act but one of the provisions states: “Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.” And another provision states: “…the warrantor may not impose any limitation on the duration of any implied warranty on the product.”

This act is commonly discussed in other forums where vehicle modifications are proposed. Bert

sqkid89
05-14-13, 05:40 PM
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is nice and all, until you have an issue. If diagnosis points to the modifications causing the failure, your warranty is void. If there's a sign that you've been into the PCM, the dealer has every right to void your warranty on near everything in the drivetrain. A bigger turbo increases the chances you're going to break something. A dealer knows this too. People are just being cautious, that's all. Would I love this kit. Huge yes. but until the warranty is up on my vehicle, not risking reliability.

donavo
05-14-13, 06:19 PM
i heard its better to do a major mod like this on a fresh engine. if you wait for warranty to be over, will that still be safe?

sqkid89
05-14-13, 07:05 PM
There's always give and take when it comes to modding. Do you want reliability and coverage from the dealer for when things go wrong, or do you want every last bit of performance? Stuff like exhaust, CAI, etc are minor changes that do not come with the higher chance of breaking things. Rewriting a PCM and bigger turbos come with a higher risk factor but much higher performance and fun.

When you compound this with the fact we have a first year model with a first year engine, bugs are bound to show up. Having owned a 97 Grand Prix GTP and an 08 G8 prior to purchasing my ATS, I consider myself a glutton for punishment.

For those who want to be on the cutting edge, you have to weigh the pros and cons of modding. Don't let me stand in anybody's way and I highly encourage aftermarket progress. Just make sure you're informed beforehand on what is your end goal and what some of the risks are getting there.

Stevo Supremo
05-14-13, 07:45 PM
If you're reading about this upgrade and the even the slightest THOUGHT of

"hm whatta'bout my warrenty"

crossed your mind, then just forget about buying this.

Pfadt Engineering
05-23-13, 02:28 PM
There's always give and take when it comes to modding. Do you want reliability and coverage from the dealer for when things go wrong, or do you want every last bit of performance? Stuff like exhaust, CAI, etc are minor changes that do not come with the higher chance of breaking things. Rewriting a PCM and bigger turbos come with a higher risk factor but much higher performance and fun.

When you compound this with the fact we have a first year model with a first year engine, bugs are bound to show up. Having owned a 97 Grand Prix GTP and an 08 G8 prior to purchasing my ATS, I consider myself a glutton for punishment.

For those who want to be on the cutting edge, you have to weigh the pros and cons of modding. Don't let me stand in anybody's way and I highly encourage aftermarket progress. Just make sure you're informed beforehand on what is your end goal and what some of the risks are getting there.

Our engineers made sure we just didn't smack some giant turbo on the ATS and hope for the best. It is a very reliable, and downright exhilaration package. But I agree, the more you modify your car, the more risk you have of a dealer not wanting to warranty certain components.

roadpie4u
05-23-13, 03:01 PM
Aaron-

Are you guys ready/able/willing to provide pictures of the system?

Also, are you guys willing to provide pricing on individual components/upgrades for those of us not quite willing or ready to push the warranty?

And if you guys aren't ready yet... Any idea when you'll be ready to provide pics and prices?

Siren05
05-23-13, 03:21 PM
^^^^
this

bollyjack
05-23-13, 05:47 PM
anything i can add to my Luxary Trim 3.6L V6?

sqkid89
05-23-13, 07:03 PM
Our engineers made sure we just didn't smack some giant turbo on the ATS and hope for the best. It is a very reliable, and downright exhilaration package. But I agree, the more you modify your car, the more risk you have of a dealer not wanting to warranty certain components.

From everything I've seen of you guys, your stuff appears top notch and well designed. If it was in the budget, I would definitely be debating your kit. I just wanted to make sure those out there new to the idea of modding cars understand there are trade offs (mainly warranty and service) when you start making major power upgrades.

liqidvenom
05-28-13, 10:25 PM
seems like caddy has arrived, i hope you guys take advantage of this if you can

bravnik
05-29-13, 02:00 PM
How big do you think we can go before we need to touch the internals? Is the 2.0 stout enough in stock trim to handle a turbo that puts 450HP to the ground?

roadpie4u
05-29-13, 03:35 PM
How big do you think we can go before we need to touch the internals? Is the 2.0 stout enough in stock trim to handle a turbo that puts 450HP to the ground?
That's a highly debatable question. There are guys out there with fbodies with hypo pistons that nuke at 6psi in a thousand miles and others that run 10psi for tens of thousands of miles without issue.

Will it last 200,000 miles without rebuild? Good question. My question would be does the transmission and rear end also handle that power? Time will tell. I have confidence Pfadt did well with their design - and the LNF just serves as evidence that GM overbuilds the snot out of the boosted ecotecs - but 450hp might be a little too "Hugh strung" if you expect 150k without a rebuild.

mikesul
05-29-13, 04:38 PM
I'm looking for around 330-340 rwhp. That is almost what my stock '08 Corvette dynoed at before upgrades. If I want more I will go ATS-V and get the warranty. :)

Rozay619
05-29-13, 06:39 PM
I'm looking for around 330-340 rwhp. That is almost what my stock '08 Corvette dynoed at before upgrades. If I want more I will go ATS-V and get the warranty. :)

agreed!! :)

thebigjimsho
05-30-13, 11:22 AM
That's a highly debatable question. There are guys out there with fbodies with hypo pistons that nuke at 6psi in a thousand miles and others that run 10psi for tens of thousands of miles without issue.

Will it last 200,000 miles without rebuild? Good question. My question would be does the transmission and rear end also handle that power? Time will tell. I have confidence Pfadt did well with their design - and the LNF just serves as evidence that GM overbuilds the snot out of the boosted ecotecs - but 450hp might be a little too "Hugh strung" if you expect 150k without a rebuild.

Egg-selent post...

pkhalafian
06-23-13, 10:33 PM
Am I missing something? Their website has no pricing and all the links are broken!!