: Please help car feels very slow



nunii
05-08-13, 05:39 PM
It's a brand new 2013 sedan 6 speed got it last month, when I first got it it was a missile it would rip the tires from a 2 gear roll. now it feels like it needs a second to start moving almost like a delay no more rip from second gear ...... Maybe the weather but its not very warm,

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The supercharger gauge goes to same lbs as before

GM-4-LIFE
05-08-13, 06:04 PM
Can you get it to a dyno to get the power checked?

Stillborn
05-08-13, 06:11 PM
the 6 speed mt is slower, so get use to it. lol :stirpot:

nunii
05-08-13, 06:15 PM
Never got my car dyno before I guess I will have no choice if that's the only option

Stillborn
05-08-13, 06:36 PM
dyno time going to be @ 250.00-500.00 so be sure you know it's not a bad batch of gas and possible nds (no driving skills) before you make that
commitment. atleast get a cai and pulley before you get dyno time.

nunii
05-08-13, 06:42 PM
On second tank of gas as for nds all I'm doing is punching the gas pedal from 4k in second gear
Car is a lease I will be getting a CIA as for pulley will it void the warranty ?

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If its the boost valve sticking would I still be getting regular boost about 9-10 lbs

Gman1023
05-08-13, 07:49 PM
Stupid question, but are you sure it is filled with Premium fuel? Running lower octane won't kill it but the computer will cut power significantly. If not, then perhaps it's a sensor issue.

GM-4-LIFE
05-08-13, 07:57 PM
My recommendation was to get it to a dyno just to get a good 3 run pull, not an expensive dyno tune. You just want to see how it's running on the dyno, but if your engine is new, you may want to wait until the engine is broken in before running it on the dyno or making the self determination that the car isn't running right.

How many miles are on the car?

nunii
05-08-13, 10:38 PM
Just placed an order for airaid hopefully it helps .. Only 600 miles on the car

ClarkkentCTSV
05-09-13, 01:23 AM
Kind of sounds like you got use to the power and are ready for mods. When I first got the car it was the fastest car in the world. After a few weeks it felt kind of slow. Did mods and it was like a brand new car, till I got bored again. I'm on my stage two of mods and I am very happy again. Modifying cars is an addiction. Get help or get a better paying job. This is just my opinion. All this talk about doing mods has me itching to order some more go fast goodies. On another note maybe look at your boost bypass might be leaking boost, Maybe your TB is sluggish. Try disconnected the battery and look to see any improvement after you reconnect after 20min.

baabootoo
05-09-13, 01:23 AM
You need to find the problem, if there is one, before adding modifications. Have you tried the dealer yet or run some stop watch test of your own? It took me a long time to get used to the power, and it still feels as fast as ever.

Random84
05-09-13, 08:07 AM
You need to find the problem, if there is one, before adding modifications. Have you tried the dealer yet or run some stop watch test of your own? It took me a long time to get used to the power, and it still feels as fast as ever.

This.

I can't believe people are saying "throw parts at it!" for a brand new `13 sedan with full warranty coverage! That's insane.

OP, make sure you run out the existing gas and fill up with name-brand, premium next time. Wait for a relatively cool day to make sure heat soak isn't an issue, and then stomp on it again like you're used to.

IF you feel the car is still sluggish, I would take it back to the dealer and have them check for any codes with a scan tool; but more likely than not you either just had low octane gas or are not pushing the pedal down all the way. The odds of there being a serious problem have to be pretty slow, but this is the internet and anything can happen.

Please think about modding the car before you jump in feet first and toss away your 5 years of powertrain warranty.

V locity
05-09-13, 09:26 AM
If you think it's mechanical, take it to te dealer. Done!

Dogbreath
05-09-13, 10:41 AM
Anybody that thinks a stock V is slow is absolutely insane. A modified one may be faster, but by no measure is a stock one slow.

Trapspeed
05-09-13, 10:51 AM
Drive a Prius for a week then take the V for a spin. Let us know how it feels then.

smackdownCTSV
05-09-13, 11:24 AM
Sounds like it's time to start modding. If you feel like it's slow, take it to the track to see what it really does. Should be between a 12.0-12.4 and a trap speed of 112-118.

Jinx
05-09-13, 12:30 PM
Are you sure your sensation of speed wasn't just the tires squealing? And now that the tires aren't brand-new they actually grip? ;)

I'm sure if you take it to the dealer with complaints that it's slow, the dealer techs will be happy to rip off some 0-60 and quarter-mile times to prove it's normal.

Perhaps you could compare your 30-50 and 50-70 acceleration times with Car & Driver's (posted on their road test test sheets). The latter is an "in top gear" number that should eliminate any shift-speed variables.

Belairlover
05-09-13, 04:02 PM
This is why I'm glad I never buy used sports cars. I mean this car is practically brand new and there are already admitted tire shredding sessions...how bout properly breaking in the car as per owner's manual. 1500 miles keeping it under 4k RPM. This is what makes the CTS-V so special, it can be a silky smooth cruiser and also a bone crushing hot rod, but if all you do is slam the pedal every time you get in the car, of course it's going to "feel slow." Just like a 5 year old that get's a new toy, eventually (less than 1 week) it ends up under the bed forgotten. If you want a race car, then buy one and drive it once a week at a closed circuit track/drag strip. I would doubt that there is any wrong with the car, I could be wrong. I even feel that way sometimes when I drive my wagon, then I lay off of it for a couple of drives, only to feel like it's a rocket again after a few days. We're fickle by nature, just cruise it for a week and "reset" your view/sensation of speed....or drop 5-6k on mods only to have it happen all over again...still loving my vagon

nunii
05-09-13, 04:32 PM
Could be all of the above !maybe I'm just used too it .I'm thinking its the crapy weather high humidity! usually I baby my cars but since its a lease might as well have fun .....plus I asked the salesman about break in procedure he said there is none !

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Got into a very bad accident as a teen crashed my 3000gt into a brick wall doing 70 ..... Don't think I have the balls too gun it for a 1/4 mile

hulksdaddy
05-09-13, 07:09 PM
Got into a very bad accident as a teen crashed my 3000gt into a brick wall doing 70 ..... Don't think I have the balls too gun it for a 1/4 mile

The accident resulted in the removal of your balls? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103/hulksdaddy/gifs2/Emoticon-Think.gif (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/hulksdaddy/media/gifs2/Emoticon-Think.gif.html)

nunii
05-09-13, 08:06 PM
The accident resulted in the removal of your balls? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103/hulksdaddy/gifs2/Emoticon-Think.gif (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/hulksdaddy/media/gifs2/Emoticon-Think.gif.html) that's correct

Trapspeed
05-09-13, 08:20 PM
plus I asked the salesman about break in procedure he said there is none !


What an idiot that guy must be. None??? Really??

Random84
05-09-13, 09:10 PM
What an idiot that guy must be. None??? Really??

You think Cadillac would have, like an owners manual or something for these cars? Weird, really.

ClarkkentCTSV
05-09-13, 11:54 PM
What's your location? Maybe you could meet up with a fellow forum member and have him ride along. Hell if your anywhere near Miami I would be more than happy to gun it for a quarter mile for you! For diagnostic testing only of course. I wouldn't be too concerned unless you are seeing a CEL light. Please ignore the other members on taking the car to the dealer and complain about sluggishness. You will be in the waiting room while the tech and service manager rip your car up and down the street only to hand you back your keys telling you that you might need tires soon. Also the electronic throttle body tends to feel sluggish compared to a cable activated TB. A tune really wakes these cars up and helps clean up a lot of the factory quirks that don't allow you to take full advantage of the potential these cars have. Like mentioned before if you don't want to mess with the warranty park it in the garage and drive it every couple months. :cookoo:

mpouls1
05-10-13, 12:02 AM
I doubt the break-in period has anything to do with it. Get it dyno'd spend hundred bux or go to the track and spend 25. No reason to take to dealer.

Havasusteve
05-10-13, 01:47 AM
There has been reported issues with newer cars not having the heat exchanger full of fluid, subsequently causing the IAT2 temp to go up and thus causing he computer to pull timing. Look inside the cheesy fill reservoir towards the back of the firewall; passenger side. Do you see fluid, continuously? Where do you live? Reach out to someone local who knows the cars as has been previously stated. With respect to the dealers, they don't know that much about these cars. If it doesn't throw a code, hey wont be able to help you.

I also like the idea of making sure you have good fuel AND disconnect the battery (if all else fails) for 15 minutes and let things reset.

Good luck

Steve

MPNX2
05-10-13, 02:15 AM
Would getting a tune void the warranty?

Havasusteve
05-10-13, 10:14 AM
Would getting a tune void the warranty?

The short answer is yes...It will. Your dealer however and your mods can help dictate whether it is or not. The dealers have been told that on ANY CTS V drivetrain warranty issues, they are to pull the TCM/ECM tunes.

That being said, even after that was done, the engineers at Cadillac warrantied my rear diff. Count on them NOT warranting any issues.

nunii
05-10-13, 04:22 PM
Update........ Pulled the battery last night let me tell you something it was hotter today but the car is significantly faster to the point that I can tell you in 100% certainty that it was not only in my mind ! So now to find out what caused this to happen does anyone have an idea? One more thing that I find strange I'm getting some poping from the stock mufflers on deceleration

mpouls1
05-10-13, 08:32 PM
Is the computer adaptive like in my old 300C SRT8? Drive slow it learned to "run slow." Only way around it was to d/c battery or drive it like a bat outta hell for awhile.

edit: Actually I think there was a fuse that I would pull and then put back. Can't remember. :hmm:

sybersport
05-10-13, 08:47 PM
It could very well be weather conditions. On a hot day, at the track I would trap 112mph... on a cool day, I would trap 119mph. That's a huge difference, and enough to really feel on the street.

nunii
05-10-13, 08:52 PM
It could very well be weather conditions. On a hot day, at the track I would trap 112mph... on a cool day, I would trap 119mph. That's a huge difference, and enough to really feel on the street. what I was saying is yesterday was colder and today was hotter yet today is was much faster!

KlrV
05-10-13, 10:33 PM
Time to mod your way to 250 extra rwhp, you'll feel that..

the blur
05-11-13, 03:28 AM
This is why I'm glad I never buy used sports cars. I mean this car is practically brand new and there are already admitted tire shredding sessions...how bout properly breaking in the car as per owner's manual. 1500 miles keeping it under 4k RPM. This is what makes the CTS-V so special, it can be a silky smooth cruiser and also a bone crushing hot rod, but if all you do is slam the pedal every time you get in the car, of course it's going to "feel slow." Just like a 5 year old that get's a new toy, eventually (less than 1 week) it ends up under the bed forgotten. If you want a race car, then buy one and drive it once a week at a closed circuit track/drag strip. I would doubt that there is any wrong with the car, I could be wrong. I even feel that way sometimes when I drive my wagon, then I lay off of it for a couple of drives, only to feel like it's a rocket again after a few days. We're fickle by nature, just cruise it for a week and "reset" your view/sensation of speed....or drop 5-6k on mods only to have it happen all over again...still loving my vagon

Do you think a new V isn't beaten to hell before you take delivery??? Think again, I used to work at a car dealer. The new car tech, & the waxer detailer, the car carrier driver, and the salesmen. They all drive your car before you take delivery. What do you think happens to it :)

neuronbob
05-11-13, 08:24 AM
Do you think a new V isn't beaten to hell before you take delivery??? Think again, I used to work at a car dealer. The new car tech, & the waxer detailer, the car carrier driver, and the salesmen. They all drive your car before you take delivery. What do you think happens to it :)

Yup, my brand new wagon inexplicably had 26 miles on it at delivery. Someone took it for an unauthorized test drive for sure. I chose not to make a huge stink over it, but it did leave a bad taste in my mouth, especially since my last V had 8 miles on it--4 from my test drive prior to delivery.

Hey nunii, did you fuel up yesterday? I am liking the bad fuel theory.

Belairlover
05-11-13, 10:03 AM
3 miles on odo upon delivery, I shutter to think of what the poor car went through...

Jinx
05-11-13, 11:12 AM
Do you think a new V isn't beaten to hell before you take delivery??? Think again, I used to work at a car dealer. The new car tech, & the waxer detailer, the car carrier driver, and the salesmen. They all drive your car before you take delivery. What do you think happens to it :)

Yes, because 20 miles of "no one will know" hooliganism is exactly the same as 20,000 miles of "I *own* this!" hooliganism.


Yup, my brand new wagon inexplicably had 26 miles on it at delivery. Someone took it for an unauthorized test drive for sure. I chose not to make a huge stink over it, but it did leave a bad taste in my mouth, especially since my last V had 8 miles on it--4 from my test drive prior to delivery.

In Corvette land, random cars off the end of the line get a more thorough inspection which includes a shakedown cruise. Is it possible the same thing happens at the Cadillac plant?

the blur
05-11-13, 11:17 AM
Every Corvette motor is ran for 20 minutes at WOT before being planted in a Corvette. Do you think there is such a thing as properly breaking in a motor ??

neuronbob
05-11-13, 11:25 AM
In Corvette land, random cars off the end of the line get a more thorough inspection which includes a shakedown cruise. Is it possible the same thing happens at the Cadillac plant?

That could also be the case. Would be nice to know for sure, but I've long since moved on from that and chosen not to make a stink over it.

the blur, I understand that our engines also are run at the factory for quality control. As far as the break-in argument goes, though, I'm not a powertrain engineer so I'm not qualified to comment. As an end user, I just follow the break-in instructions to keep warranty intact. Besides, the first 1500 miles went really quickly with both Vs I've owned, and now I'm enjoying the occasional shift at 5500. :)

the blur
05-11-13, 11:38 AM
That could also be the case. Would be nice to know for sure, but I've long since moved on from that and chosen not to make a stink over it.

the blur, I understand that our engines also are run at the factory for quality control. As far as the break-in argument goes, though, I'm not a powertrain engineer so I'm not qualified to comment. As an end user, I just follow the break-in instructions to keep warranty intact. Besides, the first 1500 miles went really quickly with both Vs I've owned, and now I'm enjoying the occasional shift at 5500. :)

You can do every shift at red line. The motor is not falling apart. I ran 200 track miles on a road course, and drove the car 300 miles home last weekend. My Corvette, I did 10,000 track miles. The new owner is still driving it daily. The trick to longevity, is to keep it stock, and leave the GM factory tune, which is very conservative. They are engineered to handle it, otherwise GM would be putting in new motors every week.

baabootoo
05-11-13, 01:51 PM
You need to get some factual data first, before we keep "cyber analyzing" it. :) Seat of the pants is completely worthless. Ask the guys that used to flip the air cleaner around on Quadrajet carb equipped cars.

Jinx
05-11-13, 02:28 PM
I ate raw cookie dough and nothing bad ever happened to me.

Stillborn
05-11-13, 03:04 PM
i have a bellybutton.

Stop&Turnfreak
05-19-13, 01:20 AM
Take the car to the dealer, I bought a used 09, and it felt really sluggish compared to some others I had ridden in, and thankfully, it had a full warranty. The car was retuned at the dealer, and has run great ever since. I may still modd it, as my warranty days are numbered, but for now, I am very happy with the car. More than likely, you are just getting used to the car. Take a break, drive another car for a week or two, and then get back in, I promise you will find your missing performance.

1997BlackETC
05-19-13, 02:03 AM
Sounds like it might be regular fuel even if you put super in the car, a lot of owners of stations cheat and put regular in the super tanks, most of the time super is at least 30 cents a gallon more, think about it, the wholesale price they pay might be 20 cents but still if your selling 30000 gallons a month of super thats an extra 6 grand the owner picks up every month by doing this. I'd get your gas at a good brand name station and then see how the car runs. Don't beat on the car too much though because especially the rear ends do require a break in, otherwise your going to end up with a whining noise permanently if you abuse the car too much within the first 1000 miles or so.

GMX322V S/C
05-19-13, 03:09 AM
...plus I asked the salesman about break in procedure he said there is none !...I recall this being discussed in the forum when the car first came out. It's true, no formal break-in procedure appears in (at least the early versions of) the manual. At the time, all LSAs were broken in at the factory, so the engine was good to go from mile 1 (I have no reason to believe this still isn't true)--however, this didn't mean the rest of the drivetrain was broken-in as well. So it seems prudent to take it easy for the first several hundred miles to break-in the tranny and differential and bed in the brake pads and so forth (I know you're leasing, but just sayin').

BTW, whenever you disconnect the battery, you might want to reset the TPS (that procedure is in the manual :))

nunii
05-20-13, 11:33 PM
[QUOTE=Stop&Turnfreak;3330834]Take the car to the dealer, I bought a used 09, and it felt really sluggish compared to some others I had ridden in, and thankfully, it had a full warranty. The car was retuned at the dealer, and has run great ever since. I may still modd it, as my warranty days are numbered, but for now, I am very happy with the car. More than likely, you are just getting used to the car. Take a break, drive another car for a week or two, and then get back in, I promise you will find your missing performance.[/QUOTE what was wrong with the car?

MReiland
05-21-13, 08:37 AM
One other possible cause of a loss of performance has been (over the past few years) a boost bypass valve that isn't closing all the way and bleeding off boost. You could tell by your boost gauge reading less than it did at WOT when things were working like you expected. This however would not have fixed itself with disconnecting the battery so it definately could have been the fuel map.

nunii
05-21-13, 10:20 PM
Well the car feels like crap again this time it just might be the 80 degrees weather .....I don't remember my vette feeling so much slower in hot weather!