: Group buy BNR/TRIFECTA TUNE/CABLE Group buy



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Siren05
05-05-13, 10:46 AM
Hey guys like the title says we need minimum 10 firm commitments to get a deal
from BNR on a tune/cable package


1 SIREN05
2 donavo
3 MYERSBALLS
4 ROMANATS
5 ?????

BNR once we hit 10 what will the group buy be??

TX_ATS
05-05-13, 01:54 PM
I'm in for the right deal.

marktanner
05-05-13, 04:50 PM
Me too,

Siren05
05-05-13, 05:14 PM
That's 6

BNRacing
05-05-13, 09:19 PM
15% off cable and tune?

Siren05
05-05-13, 09:45 PM
15% off cable and tune?

Any better?

romanats
05-05-13, 10:18 PM
BNR can you do better ?

donavo
05-05-13, 10:28 PM
yeah seriously...15 is not very significant. i think its very fair but were kind of gonna b the first batch of forum members that will buy this. im still a little iffy since im not sure how reversible it is and how much it will hurt in the future. but for the right price, im interested.

romanats
05-05-13, 11:24 PM
could not have said it better Donavo

bungee91
05-06-13, 08:34 AM
yeah seriously...15 is not very significant. i think its very fair but were kind of gonna b the first batch of forum members that will buy this. im still a little iffy since im not sure how reversible it is and how much it will hurt in the future. but for the right price, im interested.

I think you're a bit off on the first batch of forum members!.. There's plenty of us, we just don't sit and talk about it all day. They also just had a 20% off sale, and are also the cheapest for a Trifecta tune in comparison to other resellers.

Siren05
05-06-13, 09:10 AM
I think you're a bit off on the first batch of forum members!.. There's plenty of us, we just don't sit and talk about it all day. They also just had a 20% off sale, and are also the cheapest for a Trifecta tune in comparison to other resellers.

Why are you hijacking threads.
Are you going to jump on group buy?..

bravnik
05-06-13, 11:07 AM
I'm in depending on the final deal.

donavo
05-06-13, 01:06 PM
I think you're a bit off on the first batch of forum members!.. There's plenty of us, we just don't sit and talk about it all day. They also just had a 20% off sale, and are also the cheapest for a Trifecta tune in comparison to other resellers.

Okay let me rephrase it. Were gonna be the first batch of forum members that actually talk about stuff on the forum and don't give everyone the impression that were paid advertisers. So we will trust each others reviews since we have already gained each others trust of being genuine, concerned buyers of this tune.

romanats
05-06-13, 01:22 PM
so do we have 10 Pleople yet ?

thebigjimsho
05-06-13, 03:32 PM
Man, I'll need to go out and get an ATS 2.0T now...

Siren05
05-06-13, 06:33 PM
Looks like 7 by my count

BNRacing
05-06-13, 07:03 PM
15% is the best I could get out of trifecta. Remember too that they sell them for $450+ for tune and $200 for the cable. I already sell the stuff way cheap

romanats
05-06-13, 07:38 PM
they actually have a new cable that they sell for $100 can we get that cable ? and another thing i notice BNR there is no fone # on your website. If we ever need Support hw do we get in touch with you. All supporting members need to provide their #

Psykostevo
05-06-13, 08:31 PM
I am curious to see a dyno graph of a stock 2.0L Manual RWD before and after the tune. I saw the video online of the AWD 2.0L that made about 155awhp prior to the tuning and I just didn't find that to be an accurate representation. I would believe it I guess if I saw a few pulls in that range to back it up. I am sure I am not the only one with the same skepticisms.

Either way the post tune power levels sounded pretty legitimate to me, I just have an issue believing what I saw in that video for the baseline. Not sure if you have the dyno graphs of the Manual RWD handy or not.

Thank you!

Siren05
05-06-13, 09:53 PM
15% is the best I could get out of trifecta. Remember too that they sell them for $450+ for tune and $200 for the cable. I already sell the stuff way cheap

So what is the package price for the group buy ?$

romanats
05-06-13, 10:44 PM
should be around $395 shipped with a cable

BNRacing
05-07-13, 01:15 AM
they actually have a new cable that they sell for $100 can we get that cable ? and another thing i notice BNR there is no fone # on your website. If we ever need Support hw do we get in touch with you. All supporting members need to provide their #

What cable do you see for $100? The red cable is $150. That's the cheapest that I'm aware of.

Ill get the phone number up on the site but for future reference our phone number is on every single order invoice when you buy, we respond to email 24/7, have a live chat person you can talk to on the site during the day, and if you leave a message outside business hours and its something urgent we do call you back right away. We also have the ability to remote control your computer to help you out if you get in a jam (you'd have to allow this of course)

Our phone number is 561-600-5543 or toll free at 1-877-331-8454. I'm not usually in the office during the day so my wife will normally answer but if you call and need to talk to me she'll let me know and ill call you.

ATS_maxblack
05-07-13, 07:33 AM
Wow! Did not realize you guys were in PB, FL. That is my neck of the woods. Where is the shop located, as I might want to stroll by?

BNRacing
05-07-13, 09:37 AM
We don't have an actual shop, we have a home office. I do tune in person for street tunes and I use hp logic in Wellington for dyno tuning and installs. If you ever wanted to meet up in person and talk about tuning or parts id be happy to.

You would actually not need to buy the cable if you wanted to do an in person tune

romanats
05-07-13, 11:41 AM
can we start ordering ?

donavo
05-07-13, 12:10 PM
quick small question. does BNR custom tune to whatever your car has? im gonna get a 3 inch pipe/aftermarket exhaust tomorrow. does that mean my tune will be sent different than the stock ones?

romanats
05-07-13, 12:46 PM
i think you can mention to them what aftermarket stuff you have and they customize it for you

donavo
05-07-13, 01:23 PM
BNR do 350 for everything out the door and im in.

EnvoyBu
05-07-13, 01:27 PM
If you have one for the 3.6L, count me in!

romanats
05-07-13, 01:40 PM
they do have one for 3.6 if you look at their web page

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BNR we are close to 10 can you set tell us how to start the purchase process

BNRacing
05-07-13, 01:44 PM
If you have one for the 3.6L, count me in!

Yeah we do have one for the 3.6, we did one for a guy recently and he absolutely loved it.

BNRacing
05-07-13, 01:44 PM
Ill set up the group buy purchase and post a link to it here today as long as 10 people buy it we will process all orders and ship out the cables the day the last person pays

romanats
05-07-13, 01:52 PM
9 so far

donavo
05-07-13, 02:49 PM
350 otd. do we have a deal if 10 or more do this? ur gonna make 3500 dollars man. takes me a month+ to make tht much money. ur gonna do it in a day.

gfxbt
05-07-13, 05:00 PM
I'll preface by saying that I don't have experience with your company, but I have heard only good things so I have significant faith in you/your product. I'm just a little nervous about something going wrong. I know there are lots of people out there running your tunes that haven't had any problems whatsoever. But what happens if someone does have a problem?

BNRacing
05-07-13, 05:30 PM
I'll preface by saying that I don't have experience with your company, but I have heard only good things so I have significant faith in you/your product. I'm just a little nervous about something going wrong. I know there are lots of people out there running your tunes that haven't had any problems whatsoever. But what happens if someone does have a problem?

Can you elaborate on what problem you are worried about? We've tuned thousands of GM 2.0T engines including my own 2010 Cobalt SS which has 45000 miles on it. We also own a 2008 HHR SS that is approaching 80,000 miles that was used as a test mule. Trifecta owns a 2013 ATS A6 2.0T that is running a much more aggressive tune than what we sell, 0 problems. If you ever have a part failure or something like that, you just need to flash back to stock and take the car to the dealership.

donavo
05-07-13, 05:32 PM
Can you elaborate on what problem you are worried about? We've tuned thousands of GM 2.0T engines including my own 2010 Cobalt SS which has 45000 miles on it. We also own a 2008 HHR SS that is approaching 80,000 miles that was used as a test mule. Trifecta owns a 2013 ATS A6 2.0T that is running a much more aggressive tune than what we sell, 0 problems. If you ever have a part failure or something like that, you just need to flash back to stock and take the car to the dealership.

i like that. so its reversible. excellent.

BNRacing
05-07-13, 05:42 PM
350 otd. do we have a deal if 10 or more do this? ur gonna make 3500 dollars man. takes me a month+ to make tht much money. ur gonna do it in a day.

I have to pay Trifecta for the tunes and the cables, and that's not cheap. I can only go as low as they are willing to discount me, and they said 15%.

Siren05
05-07-13, 08:51 PM
I have to pay Trifecta for the tunes and the cables, and that's not cheap. I can only go as low as they are willing to discount me, and they said 15%.

So what's the final $ amount shipped?.

BNRacing
05-07-13, 11:49 PM
Ill do $380 shipped in the USA, add $20 to that to ship to Canada

Rongotti
05-07-13, 11:59 PM
What is the tune looking like for the 3.6, I am interested. Will me getting an intake or exhaust have any effect on it?

donavo
05-08-13, 01:43 AM
lets compile a list and see how many ppl we got. 380 is a deal with me.

Siren05
05-08-13, 08:03 AM
I will start
1-siren05
2-donavo
3?

torkibe
05-08-13, 09:43 AM
If you have one for the 3.6L, count me in!


they do have one for 3.6 if you look at their web page[COLOR="Silver"]


Yeah we do have one for the 3.6, we did one for a guy recently and he absolutely loved it.


What is the tune looking like for the 3.6, I am interested. Will me getting an intake or exhaust have any effect on it?

Yeah... I've asked a few times in a few threads but all I really see is "we have it" and "it's great!" but no actual numbers. I'm sorry if that has been answered but I'd like to know what the numbers are.

mikesul
05-08-13, 10:00 AM
What is the tune looking like for the 3.6, I am interested. Will me getting an intake or exhaust have any effect on it?

I had a BNR tune in my '11 3.6DI CTS coupe. I had a KPE intake, ported T-B, and a Magnaflow cat back exhaust with it. The intake alone will help a lot with this tune. I was very pleased with the tune and the way the engine/trans responded faster and with much more power. I would recommend their tune for this engine with no reservations.

BNRacing
05-08-13, 10:25 AM
The LFX tune we have produces around 25-30HP/TQ. I don't have any ATS 3.6 dyno sheets but I have CTS 3.6 LFX sheets if you want to see them.

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Group buy is live- http://store.badnewsracing.net/ATS-Group-Buy-includes-tune-and-red-cable_p_192.html

romanats
05-08-13, 10:31 AM
we should have 10 people by now

torkibe
05-08-13, 10:42 AM
The LFX tune we have produces around 25-30HP/TQ. I don't have any ATS 3.6 dyno sheets but I have CTS 3.6 LFX sheets if you want to see them.

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Group buy is live- http://store.badnewsracing.net/ATS-Group-Buy-includes-tune-and-red-cable_p_192.html

Forgive my ignorance; is there any significant differences between those two engines that would cause a difference in the results? What could one expect with the addition of a CAI?

romanats
05-08-13, 11:23 AM
they said its easier to get more HP from a turbo engine

MyersBalls
05-08-13, 05:08 PM
I will start
1-siren05
2-donavo
3?

3 MyersBalls

romanats
05-08-13, 05:12 PM
4 romanats

torkibe
05-08-13, 05:46 PM
they said its easier to get more HP from a turbo engine

I mean between the Camaro LFX and the ATS 3.6.

Rozay619
05-08-13, 06:29 PM
I noticed on the BNR website the group buy is listed, but no one has bought it yet. I am finishing up the order process now, so i guess i'm the first one who has actually paid for it??!?!?!?

donavo
05-08-13, 06:44 PM
no one set up a link. can someone put a link here?

romanats
05-08-13, 07:08 PM
Group buy is live- http://store.badnewsracing.net/ATS-G...ble_p_192.html


BNR put up the link i think this morning but i guess people did not see it.

MyersBalls
05-08-13, 07:29 PM
Is the select a tune setup to be adjusted between the tour (stock) and sport (tuned) modes on the ATS? I thought I either read it or watched a video where it showed it.

Rozay619
05-08-13, 07:30 PM
My order has been placed!!! Can't wait for the rest of you bums to order so we can get the Tunes!!! :-p

MyersBalls
05-08-13, 07:51 PM
Order #2 in the books

Siren05
05-08-13, 08:20 PM
Will order mines tonight:)

donavo
05-08-13, 08:39 PM
just bought it. 2nd in line

Siren05
05-08-13, 09:22 PM
Ive been trying to order but the website shows an error when I try to check out

BNR?

MyersBalls
05-08-13, 09:27 PM
Ive been trying to order but the website shows an error when I try to check out

BNR?

I had the same problem at first with the mobile site but switched to a PC and had no problems.

Siren05
05-08-13, 11:00 PM
I will use my laptop in the morning.

donavo
05-09-13, 01:07 AM
this is for the tune that nearly doubled the wheel horse power on that AWD ats? whats the estimated whp for RWD?

ATS_maxblack
05-09-13, 07:45 AM
How do I order the tune only since I am local?

Siren05
05-09-13, 09:36 AM
^ I'm still wondering the same thing. What's the actual HP/TQ gain on a 2.0T RWD model on 91/93 octane?

Do a search. But I believe a before after tune was done and Hoosier daddy posted for member
30 whp and 50 wtq

donavo
05-09-13, 10:47 AM
Do a search. But I believe a before after tune was done and Hoosier daddy posted for member
30 whp and 50 wtq

I wish it was similar results to what I saw in the video. 30whp is not as nice.

romanats
05-09-13, 11:15 AM
it looks like we will not be getting our tune any time soon only 2 people paid so far BNR will not send them out untill he gets 10

MyersBalls
05-09-13, 12:05 PM
it looks like we will not be getting our tune any time soon only 2 people paid so far BNR will not send them out untill he gets 10

At one point we had about 6 names on the list??? I paid for mine yesterday.

romanats
05-09-13, 12:13 PM
we had 8 or 9 thats why i asked BNR to set up group buy now people are not jumping on it

Rozay619
05-09-13, 12:18 PM
Come on guys.... i just checked the site and still only two bought..... We have less then 4 days to get 8 more!!!!

donavo
05-09-13, 12:39 PM
i think the site is bugged? i know i paid for mine and i got confirmation emails. and one other person bought it b4 me. and im assuming all you guys bought it too. and it still shows 2?

Hoosier Daddy
05-09-13, 12:47 PM
I wish it was similar results to what I saw in the video. 30whp is not as nice.
If you read everything, you'll find the base in the video was really bogus. It was something silly like the factory gas tune but running E85. The only reason HP was about double was because the base was meaningless. But 30 WHP is not bad for the cost.

MyersBalls
05-09-13, 12:51 PM
i think the site is bugged? i know i paid for mine and i got confirmation emails. and one other person bought it b4 me. and im assuming all you guys bought it too. and it still shows 2?

Looks like we need BNR to clarify. The last couple responses looks like at least 4 have indicated they purchased.

mikesul
05-09-13, 01:33 PM
If you can spend around $10/hp that is okay. I would spend $1K in a flash for 100 hp.

BNRacing
05-09-13, 03:55 PM
When we made that video it was to show what we were capable of and what the car is capable of. We did not "limp" the car or anything, we commanded stock torque levelsand that is what the car did. That's how the stock tune works, it says hey give me X torque and the car figures out the best way to do that. The tune in the video is also REALLY aggressive. The car makes 270HP crank stock, and we were making 412HP crank on E85. The numbers are really low for both tunes in that video. 30HP/50TQ is basically what we get at the wheels on these cars given normal driving conditions and premium pump gas. The car in the video consistently makes 400+HP and 360-370TQ on E85 at the crank (as calculated by the ECM, which is very accurate at calculating torque)

donavo
05-09-13, 05:11 PM
When we made that video it was to show what we were capable of and what the car is capable of. We did not "limp" the car or anything, we commanded stock torque levelsand that is what the car did. That's how the stock tune works, it says hey give me X torque and the car figures out the best way to do that. The tune in the video is also REALLY aggressive. The car makes 270HP crank stock, and we were making 412HP crank on E85. The numbers are really low for both tunes in that video. 30HP/50TQ is basically what we get at the wheels on these cars given normal driving conditions and premium pump gas. The car in the video consistently makes 400+HP and 360-370TQ on E85 at the crank (as calculated by the ECM, which is very accurate at calculating torque)

thanks for that answer. ive put my order through but im not sure if it registered on your site? so did a few others i believe. can u verify how many we have left? also, after i get the tune, i intend to email you to get a customized setup since i do have a custom exhaust. will that be allright?

romanats
05-09-13, 05:51 PM
just placed my order and it shows up as # 3

Rozay619
05-09-13, 05:54 PM
just placed my order and it shows up as # 3


:thumbsup:

BNRacing
05-09-13, 06:39 PM
I'm actually tuning an 09' CTS right now (posting from my phone while it flashes) but I will check the store when I get back to a pc and see how many we've sold.

rocco11189
05-10-13, 03:55 AM
BNR - I noticed that Transparency Mode is not an option. Is that something we should note in the Special Requests section when purchasing?

Siren05
05-10-13, 08:20 AM
Just ordered mines:)

BNRacing
05-10-13, 09:06 AM
Transparency mode is something that ezflash does when it flashes the car, not something we put in your tunes

Siren05
05-10-13, 10:20 AM
I'm #4. Come on boys get your orders in. I want my tune

MyersBalls
05-10-13, 10:52 AM
I'm #4. Come on boys get your orders in. I want my tune

^ this

frankc5r
05-10-13, 11:27 AM
I'm #4. Come on boys get your orders in. I want my tune

Mine makes #5

fp

Rozay619
05-10-13, 11:43 AM
The LFX tune we have produces around 25-30HP/TQ. I don't have any ATS 3.6 dyno sheets but I have CTS 3.6 LFX sheets if you want to see them.

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Group buy is live- http://store.badnewsracing.net/ATS-Group-Buy-includes-tune-and-red-cable_p_192.html

BNRacing, does this group buy only apply to this specific Forum?? If it does not, is anyone else on any other Caddy/ATS Forums??? Maybe we could spread the word.... Only need 5 more!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

MyersBalls
05-10-13, 12:56 PM
BNRacing, does this group buy only apply to this specific Forum?? If it does not, is anyone else on any other Caddy/ATS Forums??? Maybe we could spread the word.... Only need 5 more!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

What about other Cadillac models? I've seen a few CTS owners on this site interested in tunes.

Rozay619
05-10-13, 01:15 PM
What about other Cadillac models? I've seen a few CTS owners on this site interested in tunes.

I was being selfish as there are plenty of MODS for the CTS currently... lol I was only interested in getting our ATS's set up!!

nachopappyscaddy
05-10-13, 02:11 PM
I'm in!

MyersBalls
05-10-13, 02:28 PM
I was being selfish as there are plenty of MODS for the CTS currently... lol I was only interested in getting our ATS's set up!!

I hear ya. Just looking to speed up this process so I can get my tune!!

romanats
05-10-13, 08:16 PM
According to BNR we have 5 sales so far we need 5 more to get our products or the deal wont happen. For thoes who said they will buy please do so. The whole point was to set up Group Buy so we can get a cheaper price and they did take of $70.

frankc5r
05-11-13, 09:03 AM
[QUOTE=Rozay619;3309305]BNRacing, does this group buy only apply to this specific Forum?? If it does not, is anyone else on any other Caddy/ATS Forums??? Maybe we could spread the word.... Only need 5 more!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:[/QUOTE

Yes i was the fifth. Trifeca is the best gm tuner out here ouside of GM proper and wrote the software to see all the parameters to tune the car.
Even industry giant, HPT has not done that for ATS. Be aware that with the red cable and software like scanxl you will be able to not only
log data and send them AND with scanXL be able to also take data for yourself to view and plot to check out important parameters like knock retard.
Especially if ulive where gas is only91 octane. Take advantage of this deal

Siren05
05-11-13, 10:28 AM
I'm almost at the point of just ordering it at regular price...


Only 2 days left.

BNRacing
05-11-13, 11:26 AM
I think the site says 5 to go, but we've got 6 orders so I guess it's a little buggy. Need 4 more and we're good to go. I can extend the deal longer if need be. I just figure that would have been enough time.

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The deal is good for anyone with an ATS, so spread the word

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I extended the sale

ATS_maxblack
05-11-13, 11:50 AM
Can we get the option without cable if local?

BNRacing
05-11-13, 12:24 PM
updated it for local installs

romanats
05-11-13, 12:48 PM
Great lets go guys bnr please give us couple of days extra

kmb32687
05-11-13, 12:50 PM
You guys will love this tune. :-)

EnvoyBu
05-11-13, 02:24 PM
I got it!!!

Can't wait to see how the 3.6L will feel with it.

ATS_maxblack
05-11-13, 05:16 PM
Can we specify how "select a tune" works? If so, can it be programmed to enable the tune with a combination of buttons? For example, turning on cruise and sport mode, or some other combination?

Also is the Vin # required for ordering?

khhong
05-11-13, 06:40 PM
Number 7!

BNRacing
05-11-13, 06:41 PM
Yes VIN is required so we can write the tune for the vehicle. It would be required no matter who you got a tune from

You have 2 options with Select-a-tune

1. Automatic cars use sport mode to turn on the tune

2. Manual cars use cruise control, cruise OFF = tune ON

The reason is because we need to grab sport mode data from somewhere to activate the tune and the only place we can get it is the TCM. The manual trans does not have a TCM, therefore no sport mode selector

frankc5r
05-11-13, 08:00 PM
Yes VIN is required so we can write the tune for the vehicle. It would be required no matter who you got a tune from

You have 2 options with Select-a-tune

1. Automatic cars use sport mode to turn on the tune

2. Manual cars use cruise control, cruise OFF = tune ON

The reason is because we need to grab sport mode data from somewhere to activate the tune and the only place we can get it is the TCM. The manual trans does not have a TCM, therefore no sport mode selector

Thanks for the clarafication. Small disadvantage of sport mode is Cadillac has not given us the option to separate the engine and trans functions
of the sport mode. Thus if u live in MI with crappy ROUGH roads, putting in sport mode to activate tune also gives u the harsher shock settings.
Small price but I wish there was another way.
fp

rocco11189
05-11-13, 08:44 PM
BNR is there any other option for Manual Trans ATS's? I want to be able to get in the vehicle and select to have the tune on. Therefore every time I am in the vehicle it will be normal driving unless I tell it otherwise.

romanats
05-11-13, 11:46 PM
BMR said you will enable tune through cruse control.

Come on guys 3 more to go

mtinaza
05-12-13, 01:53 AM
Just submitted my order. 2 more now...

CTS2009
05-12-13, 03:03 PM
One more!

romanats
05-12-13, 04:57 PM
BNR we have 9 did you say you have one extra person that paid you ? If thats the case we are all set

donavo
05-12-13, 05:32 PM
i did not think it would b his hard to get the 10 guys to buy the tune lol.

on a second note, what if someone made a mistake on order details, like the transmission type. could you still fix the tune for their car? i double checked my vin number when i ordered but i still hope its all good. lol

BNRacing
05-12-13, 07:55 PM
The site still says 9 sold but we're at 10. What do you guys want to do? Leave it for a few more days or kill it tomorrow?

frankc5r
05-12-13, 08:03 PM
The site still says 9 sold but we're at 10. What do you guys want to do? Leave it for a few more days or kill it tomorrow?
Either one is Ok with me but it is your group buy and decision to be made. Possibly if a day goes by without additional orders, you could close
it. That is my vote.
frankc5r

donavo
05-12-13, 08:16 PM
The site still says 9 sold but we're at 10. What do you guys want to do? Leave it for a few more days or kill it tomorrow?

id say kill it at midnight. end of mothers day sale.

gfxbt
05-12-13, 09:49 PM
I guess I am missing something with manual/auto select-a-tune. I read the earlier post about MT cars and select-a-tune activated by the cruise control button. It sad that there was no TCM for MT cars. That makes sense. I was just curious what data is supplied when cruise control is on that allows the new tune to run that is not available from the sport mode button on the MT cars. Not that big of a deal, but just curious as I would prefer to select the tune using sport mode as opposed to cruise control. Thanks.

romanats
05-12-13, 10:02 PM
send it out as soon as possible to thoes who paid we want the tune to install next weekend lol. You can keep the group buy on its fine with us. If you get any more better for you.

mtinaza
05-13-13, 12:39 AM
I like this idea...I'm with RomanATS

MyersBalls
05-13-13, 01:56 AM
I like this idea...I'm with RomanATS

Ditto

rocco11189
05-13-13, 02:57 AM
Before I buy I would like more detail surrounding the Manual Trans cars and our options to select the tune.

Siren05
05-13-13, 09:03 AM
Just buy it.

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The site still says 9 sold but we're at 10. What do you guys want to do? Leave it for a few more days or kill it tomorrow?

Give me my tune.close it jeez.

bungee91
05-13-13, 09:29 AM
BNR is there any other option for Manual Trans ATS's? I want to be able to get in the vehicle and select to have the tune on. Therefore every time I am in the vehicle it will be normal driving unless I tell it otherwise.

You are thinking backwards. Cruise off = tune on, so the tune will be on by default. However it doesn't matter regardless because the ATS recalls if you had cruise on or off from last time, and stays in that same state on restart.

Rozay619
05-13-13, 12:11 PM
Can't wait to get my Tune in the mail... My wife is gunna be pissed i spent another $400 on the car... LMAO

Siren05
05-13-13, 12:37 PM
Can't wait to get my Tune in the mail... My wife is gunna be pissed i spent another $400 on the car... LMAO

Or don't tell. My route muhahaha.

donavo
05-13-13, 12:51 PM
Or don't tell. My route muhahaha.

im obviously not married so i dont have first hand experience in this marrige stuff. but i would imagine the guy should be calling the shots instead. so if she says anything, this should be your responce.

http://battlefieldo.com/attachments/dishes-do-them-now-jpg.477/

Rozay619
05-13-13, 01:33 PM
Or don't tell. My route muhahaha.

LOL, she already noticed the charge on the credit card.... :-( too late for that!!!


im obviously not married so i dont have first hand experience in this marrige stuff. but i would imagine the guy should be calling the shots instead. so if she says anything, this should be your responce.

http://battlefieldo.com/attachments/dishes-do-them-now-jpg.477/

That Pic is great!! You will learn one day when you decide to take the plunge!!! :-P Enjoy your caddy while it still belongs to you.... :)

romanats
05-13-13, 01:33 PM
My wife is cool with me buying stuff just like i am cool when she buys stuff for her self providing the price is resonable.

Rozay619
05-13-13, 01:36 PM
My wife is cool with me buying stuff just like i am cool when she buys stuff for her self providing the price is resonable.

Must be nice... Women and Resonable never belong in the same sentence... :tisk:

donavo
05-13-13, 01:54 PM
lets see which one of us gets the tune and loads it up first. and actually notices a difference....lol.

rocco11189
05-13-13, 02:38 PM
You are thinking backwards. Cruise off = tune on, so the tune will be on by default. However it doesn't matter regardless because the ATS recalls if you had cruise on or off from last time, and stays in that same state on restart.

Bungee I want to be able to get in the car and have the stock tune enabled not the Trifecta. I would rather not see the cruise control light on all the time as the majority of my driving will be done with the normal tune on the way to work.

bungee91
05-13-13, 03:10 PM
Bungee I want to be able to get in the car and have the stock tune enabled not the Trifecta. I would rather not see the cruise control light on all the time as the majority of my driving will be done with the normal tune on the way to work.

I apologize, and see what you're wanting now. The cruise indicator is pretty unnoticeable (in my opinion), however the option for the opposite state of cruise for the tune shouldn't be difficult for Trifecta to do.
I will say I haven't noticed any negative impact to MPG with the tune always on, as long as you aren't mashing the pedal down all the time.

donavo
05-13-13, 03:13 PM
I apologize, and see what you're wanting now. The cruise indicator is pretty unnoticeable (in my opinion), however the option for the opposite state of cruise for the tune shouldn't be difficult for Trifecta to do.
I will say I haven't noticed any negative impact to MPG with the tune always on, as long as you aren't mashing the pedal down all the time.

have u had to take ur car in for service yet? if u do, are u gonna reflash stock first? or does the transperancy mode make it undetectible? wont it interfere with updates?

Rozay619
05-13-13, 03:22 PM
lets see which one of us gets the tune and loads it up first. and actually notices a difference....lol.

You in LA, me in SD... I'm thinking we will get them by Monday -Tuesday next week at the earliest?!?! Unless BNR ships them out today!! I sent them a PM for an update.

bungee91
05-13-13, 04:59 PM
have u had to take ur car in for service yet? if u do, are u gonna reflash stock first? or does the transperancy mode make it undetectible? wont it interfere with updates?

I haven't taken it in yet, but I plan to flash back to stock prior. I believe transparency only hides the flash count and not the generated hash key or what have you that the dealer checks for.
From what I've read it's advised to flash to stock, so I plan to do the same.

ATS_maxblack
05-13-13, 06:26 PM
Leave it open

ATScape
05-13-13, 07:16 PM
I'm still interested but my car is back at the dealer for the same prob again and might get lemoned :nono: so I'm waiting. But I already have the tune in my cart...

donavo
05-13-13, 08:10 PM
I'm still interested but my car is back at the dealer for the same prob again and might get lemoned :nono: so I'm waiting. But I already have the tune in my cart...

for the sake of atscape id say leave it open but ship out the tunes for the ppl that alrdy bought it. this turned out to just b a sale.

ATScape
05-13-13, 10:37 PM
for the sake of atscape id say leave it open but ship out the tunes for the ppl that alrdy bought it. this turned out to just b a sale.

:thumbsup:

BNRacing
05-13-13, 11:20 PM
I can't do it like that, trifecta requires all to be paid at the same time. Once I pay them that's it, no more orders at this price.

donavo
05-13-13, 11:37 PM
I can't do it like that, trifecta requires all to be paid at the same time. Once I pay them that's it, no more orders at this price.
dam. o well. im very anxious to get the tune.

romanats
05-13-13, 11:57 PM
ok since you have 10 paid you can close it

gfxbt
05-13-13, 11:59 PM
Quick question - for manual cars, the only option for select-a-tune is cruise control? In other words, you can't activate the tune via the sport button?

ATS_maxblack
05-14-13, 12:41 AM
Ordered mine. Looking fwd to working with you on the tune.

ATScape
05-14-13, 08:17 AM
Ok I'll order today I guess and pray. Thx anyways

mtinaza
05-14-13, 08:43 AM
BNR have these shipped yet?

Siren05
05-14-13, 08:53 AM
BNR close it. It should have been closed, I want my tune. I started thread close it.l.......

ATScape
05-14-13, 10:46 AM
Got it...

romanats
05-14-13, 11:37 AM
ok the Web Page is showing 10 sold BNR when can we expect our tunes to be shipped?

Siren05
05-14-13, 06:29 PM
Any word on shipping timeline?

ATScape
05-14-13, 06:31 PM
I placed my order this morning but web page still says 9.....?

rocco11189
05-14-13, 07:45 PM
BNR can you answer the Manual Trans questions regarding the options we have for enabling the tune?

EnvoyBu
05-14-13, 08:36 PM
Just curious... out of the 10 sold, how many are 3.6L models? I have a 3.6L. Anyone else here who bought a tune have one?

Also, BNR, can I see the CTS LFX dyno sheets?

BNRacing
05-15-13, 12:27 AM
I'll close the sale in the AM and ship out cables tomorrow

rocco11189
05-15-13, 02:25 AM
Yes VIN is required so we can write the tune for the vehicle. It would be required no matter who you got a tune from

You have 2 options with Select-a-tune

1. Automatic cars use sport mode to turn on the tune

2. Manual cars use cruise control, cruise OFF = tune ON

The reason is because we need to grab sport mode data from somewhere to activate the tune and the only place we can get it is the TCM. The manual trans does not have a TCM, therefore no sport mode selector

I dont understand what is so hard about providing clarification to my 3 previous questions. Is there any other way that manual cars can enable the tune? Can we select to have the tune enabled when cruise control is on instead of off? Losing a sale because I have not received an answer in 3 days, yet you are going to close the group buy!! Awesome customer service!

donavo
05-15-13, 03:08 AM
I dont understand what is so hard about providing clarification to my 3 previous questions. Is there any other way that manual cars can enable the tune? Can we select to have the tune enabled when cruise control is on instead of off? Losing a sale because I have not received an answer in 3 days, yet you are going to close the group buy!! Awesome customer service!

Lmao I'll have to agree with you. I too am curious to see if mt can get a different way to change modes

Siren05
05-15-13, 09:59 AM
I dont understand what is so hard about providing clarification to my 3 previous questions. Is there any other way that manual cars can enable the tune? Can we select to have the tune enabled when cruise control is on instead of off? Losing a sale because I have not received an answer in 3 days, yet you are going to close the group buy!! Awesome customer service!

Have BNR use the traction OFF/ON button instead? Lol.

sonny@bnr
05-15-13, 12:27 PM
ill have a answer from vince

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I dont understand what is so hard about providing clarification to my 3 previous questions. Is there any other way that manual cars can enable the tune? Can we select to have the tune enabled when cruise control is on instead of off? Losing a sale because I have not received an answer in 3 days, yet you are going to close the group buy!! Awesome customer service!
i talked to vince no cruise cannt be the other way the only way we can do it is
cruise on =stock tune cruise off= performance tune

donavo
05-15-13, 12:31 PM
ill have a answer from vince

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i talked to vince no cruise cannt be the other way the only way we can do it is
cruise on =stock tune cruise off= performance tune

i actually prefer this because i doubt u would want the be in performance tune when using cruise control....?

BNRacing
05-15-13, 01:19 PM
That's correct, you don't want the tune active when you're in cruise control, you want to get better gas mileage so it makes sense to have eco mode be cruise on

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I dont understand what is so hard about providing clarification to my 3 previous questions. Is there any other way that manual cars can enable the tune? Can we select to have the tune enabled when cruise control is on instead of off? Losing a sale because I have not received an answer in 3 days, yet you are going to close the group buy!! Awesome customer service!

Sorry about that, I actually replied to one but it didn't post. I did it from tapatalk on my iphone though so maybe that's why. At any rate the only way it can be done is cruise OFF = tune ON. The GB is closed but the product is still active. I'll leave it up for you for the rest of the day so you can buy it if you want to. It will be processed today if you buy today. The rest of the GB orders are also going to process today. Cables will be shipping today also.

rocco11189
05-15-13, 02:30 PM
That's correct, you don't want the tune active when you're in cruise control, you want to get better gas mileage so it makes sense to have eco mode be cruise on

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Sorry about that, I actually replied to one but it didn't post. I did it from tapatalk on my iphone though so maybe that's why. At any rate the only way it can be done is cruise OFF = tune ON. The GB is closed but the product is still active. I'll leave it up for you for the rest of the day so you can buy it if you want to. It will be processed today if you buy today. The rest of the GB orders are also going to process today. Cables will be shipping today also.


Thank you very much Sonny and BNR for the response and I understand sometimes our phones are not very reliable. I appreciate the offer to keep it open for me as that is very nice of you! However, having the performance tune enabled full time is sort of a deal breaker for me. I really wish there was another way for the manual cars to select the tune. I will still consider purchasing it in the future but I will not be today.


I do have a question though regarding the tune. If the tune is enabled when cruise control is off, does Sport Mode or Touring mode still have an affect on our cars? Will the tune negate the use of Sport/Touring Modes for all MT ATS's?

BNRacing
05-15-13, 03:30 PM
No it will not. Those modes do not communicate with the ECM on the manual trans cars, which is why we cannot use them for the selectatune except on the auto trans cars. On the manual trans cars those modes affect only suspension settings

BNRacing
05-15-13, 03:31 PM
Just to clarify this feature is not required on tunes. You can run the tune all the time if you wanted just like you would get with any competitors tunes

ATScape
05-15-13, 03:37 PM
FYI. Got my partial delivery notification so things are moving. Thanks BNR.

romanats
05-15-13, 04:00 PM
me too got the tracking # for my order

frankc5r
05-15-13, 04:47 PM
Got my USPS tracking today too.

Had a nice talk and there are some cool features in the works especially for automatics since the TC slip is electronica;;y controlled on ATS.

One thing I learned is the ATS tune is for 91 octane since the whole west coast is 91 as the highest normally available fuel. The 2.0 LOVES
E85 so those that want max HP can opt for that.
As for those of us who have the luxury of 93 or 94 octane, when you log data and return it to BNR/Trifeca, they will check and if all looks
well will probably not change boost much if any but give you more timing and thus torque.
My old LNF had 9-10 deg at wot but this mtr according to BNR is more efficient and thus needs less timing showing about 5 deg at wot.
Interesting stuff.
BNR ( Jerry) give me reference to an Aeroforcetech Interceptor OBDII gauge that will readout all sorts of data like boost and knock retard, log
it for later review and can plot and send to web like I did with Dashhawk when I 1st got ATS ( early post). Buying one.
frank

Siren05
05-15-13, 04:56 PM
Got my USPS tracking today too.

Had a nice talk and there are some cool features in the works especially for automatics since the TC slip is electronica;;y controlled on ATS.

One thing I learned is the ATS tune is for 91 octane since the whole west coast is 91 as the highest normally available fuel. The 2.0 LOVES
E85 so those that want max HP can opt for that.
As for those of us who have the luxury of 93 or 94 octane, when you log data and return it to BNR/Trifeca, they will check and if all looks
well will probably not change boost much if any but give you more timing and thus torque.
My old LNF had 9-10 deg at wot but this mtr according to BNR is more efficient and thus needs less timing showing about 5 deg at wot.
Interesting stuff.
BNR ( Jerry) give me reference to an Aeroforcetech Interceptor OBDII gauge that will readout all sorts of data like boost and knock retard, log
it for later review and can plot and send to web like I did with Dashhawk when I 1st got ATS ( early post). Buying one.
frank

Great I only run 94.. Once I datalog I will inform BNR

ATScape
05-15-13, 04:59 PM
Crap I shoulda mentioned I live in Fl and I only run 93 Oct. so he could just tune for it right off the bat and maybe save some data logging time. Oh well, maybe he noticed Im in Miami and tuned accordingly...

Siren05
05-15-13, 05:21 PM
Crap I shoulda mentioned I live in Fl and I only run 93 Oct. so he could just tune for it right off the bat and maybe save some data logging time. Oh well, maybe he noticed Im in Miami and tuned accordingly...

Shoot em an email I am going to.

rocco11189
05-15-13, 05:27 PM
Quick question in regards to Sport Mode for manual cars. What is the purpose of sports mode and what does it affect if you have a 2.0T Standard? I know in the higher models the magnetic ride control is affected by sports mode but what does it do in the other cars?

RippyPartsDept
05-15-13, 05:38 PM
sport mode in manuals affects the suspension tuning

donavo
05-15-13, 05:42 PM
sport mode in manuals affects the suspension tuning
even for the base models? at what trim level is the magnetic ride included?

RippyPartsDept
05-15-13, 06:00 PM
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6136/sportmode.jpg

looks like steering is also affected

so for a base model manual trans ATS (without Magneride) the Sport Mode only really affects the steering (apparently)

BNRacing
05-15-13, 06:33 PM
what he said ^

donavo
05-15-13, 06:54 PM
what he said ^

so luxury and up has magnetic ride? or base and luxury dont have magnetic ride and performance and premium do?

ATScape
05-15-13, 07:16 PM
Shoot em an email I am going to.

Done

Siren05
05-15-13, 07:53 PM
Done

I did too!

frankc5r
05-15-13, 08:03 PM
[QUOTE=ATScape;3314585]Done[/QUOTE

I mentioned that to BNR but I believe the tune comes as Trifeca designed it and not upgraded for better performance and you should not try
to cut out the dtatalogging and sending data set. These are VERY complex engines and software with many more variables than just boost
and octane and as such individual engines can vary so the ONLY safe way is to datalog your individual engine and send data to BNR/Trifeca
and let them adjust the tune on a one and one basis. This is a good thing and I for one am happy they offer the service to the end user. It makes
for the best and SAFE tune for us.

I mentioned in a previos email about the Aeroforce OBDII gauge that I am going to use to monitor boost ( just to see) and knock retatd ( for safety)
I did this before with my Solstice GXP and HHR SS and it helped both live long lives. If you have a permanant gauge you can glance at and see if
you have knock ( possibly bad gas), you can possibly save your engine. BNR says 1.4 turbo guys use a Ultrscan display gauge for only $60 to
see data on their cars. I asked them if it works with ATS 2.0. No answer yet
frank
retired engineer GM race programs

Siren05
05-15-13, 10:08 PM
[QUOTE=ATScape;3314585]Done[/QUOTE

I mentioned that to BNR but I believe the tune comes as Trifeca designed it and not upgraded for better performance and you should not try
to cut out the dtatalogging and sending data set. These are VERY complex engines and software with many more variables than just boost
and octane and as such individual engines can vary so the ONLY safe way is to datalog your individual engine and send data to BNR/Trifeca
and let them adjust the tune on a one and one basis. This is a good thing and I for one am happy they offer the service to the end user. It makes
for the best and SAFE tune for us.

I mentioned in a previos email about the Aeroforce OBDII gauge that I am going to use to monitor boost ( just to see) and knock retatd ( for safety)
I did this before with my Solstice GXP and HHR SS and it helped both live long lives. If you have a permanant gauge you can glance at and see if
you have knock ( possibly bad gas), you can possibly save your engine. BNR says 1.4 turbo guys use a Ultrscan display gauge for only $60 to
see data on their cars. I asked them if it works with ATS 2.0. No answer yet
frank
retired engineer GM race programs

I agree. My STI was street tuned with many pulls on different days until it was dialled in. Each engine is
Different and some cars run great on factory tunes some dont. It also applies to "off the shelf tunes". I only run 94 on
All my boosted cars NOT ONLY FOR PERFORMANCE BUT ALSO FOR SAFETY.
Higher octane lowers risk for knock and let's the tuner lean things out. As the ATS runs rich from the
Factory running higher octane should yield some gains in torque if the tune can lean her out some especially up top.

ATScape
05-15-13, 10:09 PM
[QUOTE=ATScape;3314585]Done[/QUOTE

I mentioned that to BNR but I believe the tune comes as Trifeca designed it and not upgraded for better performance and you should not try
to cut out the dtatalogging and sending data set. These are VERY complex engines and software with many more variables than just boost
and octane and as such individual engines can vary so the ONLY safe way is to datalog your individual engine and send data to BNR/Trifeca
and let them adjust the tune on a one and one basis. This is a good thing and I for one am happy they offer the service to the end user. It makes
for the best and SAFE tune for us.

I mentioned in a previxos email about the Aeroforce OBDII gauge that I am going to use to monitor boost ( just to see) and knock retatd ( for safety)
I did this before with my Solstice GXP and HHR SS and it helped both live long lives. If you have a permanant gauge you can glance at and see if
you have knock ( possibly bad gas), you can possibly save your engine. BNR says 1.4 turbo guys use a Ultrscan display gauge for only $60 to
see data on their cars. I asked them if it works with ATS 2.0. No answer yet
frank
retired engineer GM race programs

Awesome thanks

thebigjimsho
05-15-13, 11:36 PM
You guys can't quote worth a p00p...

ATS_maxblack
05-16-13, 08:43 PM
Got my cable today.

donavo
05-16-13, 09:01 PM
Got my cable today.

what the...? u ordered with the group buy? or b4 the group buy?

romanats
05-16-13, 10:10 PM
mine still says electronic shiment info recived does not look like it was physically shipped

BMR can you check my order its Roman Yuditsky

donavo
05-16-13, 10:27 PM
mine still says electronic shiment info recived does not look like it was physically shipped

BMR can you check my order its Roman Yuditsky

russian?

romanats
05-17-13, 12:36 AM
yes i am

YoshiFD3S
05-17-13, 03:52 PM
Man, I would have loved to jump on the Group Buy if not for needing the money for my OTHER money pit car.. lol

Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll offer a military discount when I AM ready to buy. lol

xD

ATScape
05-17-13, 08:39 PM
Does anyone know how long it takes to get the tunes? Got my car back and the cable so I'm kinda antsy :bouncy:

donavo
05-17-13, 08:55 PM
Does anyone know how long it takes to get the tunes? Got my car back and the cable so I'm kinda antsy :bouncy:

u already got the cable?? dam. might as well get that other cheap cable from amazon and see if this red cable is really that special. haha

Siren05
05-17-13, 08:56 PM
Jeez long weekend no tune:(

ATScape
05-17-13, 09:03 PM
Yea I live about an hour from their location so I got it pretty quick. I was hoping to get the tune by this weekend also so I'd have time to install it and data log but I guess I gotta wait till next week.

Siren05
05-17-13, 10:01 PM
Yea I live about an hour from their location so I got it pretty quick. I was hoping to get the tune by this weekend also so I'd have time to install it and data log but I guess I gotta wait till next week.

I'm jealous... But may be mine will come next week .im in Canada.

MyersBalls
05-17-13, 10:55 PM
Yea I live about an hour from their location so I got it pretty quick. I was hoping to get the tune by this weekend also so I'd have time to install it and data log but I guess I gotta wait till next week.

I'm in Dallas so I was surprised when mine arrived today.

romanats
05-17-13, 10:55 PM
got my cable today also in NY

donavo
05-17-13, 11:09 PM
i hope everyone that got the tune, writes up an extended review of it. i plan to as soon as i get mine.

romanats
05-17-13, 11:39 PM
BNR what is the next step how do we get the actual tune

zedsded
05-18-13, 01:08 AM
I'm not BNR nor do I play them on TV but I received an email a day or two after getting my cable. It had download instructions for the tune file.

mtinaza
05-18-13, 02:35 AM
Got my cable today as well...Waiting for the tune.

donavo
05-18-13, 03:26 AM
Got mine too actually. Now the tune....

ATScape
05-18-13, 11:17 AM
I'm not BNR nor do I play them on TV but I received an email a day or two after getting my cable. It had download instructions for the tune file.

Lol. I wonder if they send out a generic tune for all ATS's or if they do slight alterations to each tune. Not rushing or anything just want to know the process and why it's not sent right away. Hopefully they go thru each tune independently...

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BTW Ive been going over the tune install repeatedly so I don't ruin my ECM. Ive read about people hooking the car battery to a charger so that the voltage doesn't drop during the install which can mess up the writing process. Anyone have any experience with this and know how necessary it is? Also make sure you install your tune with the car in "Service Only Mode" which is selected by pressing and holding the PUSH START button for five seconds without pressing the brake pedal (I believe). If anyone can chime in and confirm or has any previous experience tuning with EZ flash please chime in.

mtinaza
05-18-13, 12:45 PM
I also had a question or rather clarification. i'm assuming that any version of .NET 3.5 and above will work w/o conflict. I'm running v4.5 and just want to make sure future versions have been tested as well.

ATS_maxblack
05-18-13, 02:40 PM
I am in the same city at BNR so probably why I got it really quick. Still waiting on my tune though.

pbot
05-18-13, 03:30 PM
Lol. I wonder if they send out a generic tune for all ATS's or if they do slight alterations to each tune. Not rushing or anything just want to know the process and why it's not sent right away. Hopefully they go thru each tune independently...

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BTW Ive been going over the tune install repeatedly so I don't ruin my ECM. Ive read about people hooking the car battery to a charger so that the voltage doesn't drop during the install which can mess up the writing process. Anyone have any experience with this and know how necessary it is? Also make sure you install your tune with the car in "Service Only Mode" which is selected by pressing and holding the PUSH START button for five seconds without pressing the brake pedal (I believe). If anyone can chime in and confirm or has any previous experience tuning with EZ flash please chime in.

Seems like overkill to hook up a charger but I was surprised how long it took to finish both flash passes. Using an old netbook, it was close to an hour. Maybe a decent laptop would be faster. Even without the tune, you can install EZ flash, make sure you can connect and read the vehicle details.

frankc5r
05-18-13, 05:44 PM
I also had a question or rather clarification. i'm assuming that any version of .NET 3.5 and above will work w/o conflict. I'm running v4.5 and just want to make sure future versions have been tested as well.

I went to www.wot-tuning.com, a sub web site of Trifeca Performance and downloaded the latest version of the software EZ Flash that u need to
load the tune when it arrives. It is version 1.6.17.0 last updated today at 1;59 PM. iT SAYS VER 3.5 OF net.
Site also has the drivers that u need with red cable and EZ Flash. Here is link
http://www.wot-tuning.com/forums/files/file/1-ez-flash/

frank

PS got my cable today.
PPS: I suspect this info will probably come with the tune but provide it for those who are interested and want to prepare for when tune arrives.

ATScape
05-18-13, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the info. I had all these things ready since last night but didn't know about the update. Now I just wanna confirm how to put the car in service mode, and make sure that's the appropriate mode to tune it.

pbot
05-18-13, 09:09 PM
Thanks for the info. I had all these things ready since last night but didn't know about the update. Now I just wanna confirm how to put the car in service mode, and make sure that's the appropriate mode to tune it.

It looks to me as if you hold the start button for 5 secs, the car powers on and the check engine light stays on without releasing the button. If you release before 5 secs, no check engine light. You can double check it since the car will power off after 5 minutes in regular mode.

mtinaza
05-19-13, 01:00 AM
Thanks for the link. It also says, "You may receive a "Setup Error" when performing this first step if the framework is already installed. If you receive a "Setup Error" you may proceed to the next step. If you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, you may skip this step." I'm on Win7, and am assuming that Win7 comes pre-installed with .Net 4+ but you know what they say about "assuming". When I click the link it doesn't do anything, not an error, per se'.

BNRacing
05-19-13, 03:33 AM
We've paid trifecta for the tunes and sent all the cables out so were just waiting for trifecta to send us the tunes at this point. The day we get them is the day you get them. Trifecta is closed until Tuesday so id say Tuesday is the earliest you can expect the tunes

romanats
05-19-13, 09:28 AM
thanks for the update

ATScape
05-19-13, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the link. It also says, "You may receive a "Setup Error" when performing this first step if the framework is already installed. If you receive a "Setup Error" you may proceed to the next step. If you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, you may skip this step." I'm on Win7, and am assuming that Win7 comes pre-installed with .Net 4+ but you know what they say about "assuming". When I click the link it doesn't do anything, not an error, per se'.

I'm too scared to try any of this cus of the warranty lol.

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We've paid trifecta for the tunes and sent all the cables out so were just waiting for trifecta to send us the tunes at this point. The day we get them is the day you get them. Trifecta is closed until Tuesday so id say Tuesday is the earliest you can expect the tunes

Awesome thanks

mikesul
05-19-13, 02:30 PM
The tune install takes 30-40 minutes, so make sure you are in "Service Only Mode". As stated earlier push and hold the start button (no foot on brake) for 5 seconds. If you watch your DIC, you will see the message come up. Then follow instructions. You don't need to put a charger on the battery.
The tunes are for auto and manual. After the install you can do a driving "data log" and email it to BNR. Adjustments specific to your car will be made, if necessary.

ATScape
05-19-13, 02:58 PM
The tune install takes 30-40 minutes, so make sure you are in "Service Only Mode". As stated earlier push and hold the start button (no foot on brake) for 5 seconds. If you watch your DIC, you will see the message come up. Then follow instructions. You don't need to put a charger on the battery.
The tunes are for auto and manual. After the install you can do a driving "data log" and email it to BNR. Adjustments specific to your car will be made, if necessary.

Thanks a lot mikesul. This guy is a great member. He knows his stuff and has been nothing but helpful to me.
Wow 30 to 40 minutes. I wonder if its the EZ Flash or the ECM writing limit speed that makes it take so long.

EnvoyBu
05-20-13, 08:29 PM
I got my EZ flash cable. Do we need to download anything for the tune prior to actually getting it?

frankc5r
05-20-13, 09:35 PM
I got my EZ flash cable. Do we need to download anything for the tune prior to actually getting it?

Read my post #201 a few back. Not sure if tune will come with EZ flash software but if not the web site listed in my post has it and the drivers
needed.
frank

Siren05
05-21-13, 09:20 AM
Thanks a lot mikesul. This guy is a great member. He knows his stuff and has been nothing but helpful to me.
Wow 30 to 40 minutes. I wonder if its the EZ Flash or the ECM writing limit speed that makes it take so long.

Wow.. With my Cobb ACCESS PORT(handheld tuning) device it takes like 2 minutes

donavo
05-21-13, 10:58 AM
Wow.. With my Cobb ACCESS PORT(handheld tuning) device it takes like 2 minutes

By the way siren, how would you compare your ATS to your sti?

ATScape
05-21-13, 11:58 AM
When I spoke to them they told me it was 10 to 15 minutes...

Siren05
05-21-13, 01:27 PM
By the way siren, how would you compare your ATS to your sti?

My STI stock vs ATS its gotta be fair.

My STI was much faster feeling in a straight line out of the box and faster too. Horsepower aside the STI
Has AWD and a great tranny. So launching was fairly violent stock she also has a 4 multiple front and rear slip differentials. Now that I'm running a GTX3076 turbo she's is downright scary violent on launches and I can spin all 4 wheels in the first 3 gears. I had the engine overbuilt. Sub 3 0-60 on launch control:)
ATS feels ok on full launch but not scary at all. I love how it boogies at 2000 rpm. But it needs more power
IMO in a straight line.

Now on the twisties.

The subie stock was decent on cornering I tracked her stock and found a lot of body roll.
I have the 2011 so suspension went where you pointed her. I added fully adjustable coils and big sway
Bars and she was a track beast.

ATS IN MY OPINION IS one of the best sedans I've driven chasis wise I call her tossable. I love to throw
her back end into corners she's very predictable.
Stock the ATS is a far superior track drivers car in the cornering handling sense. She just needs 200 more hp and torque.
She would be perfect.
My STI IS JUST SO SCARY FOR MY PAASENGERS NOW. I LOVE IT:)
Guys google the video on the CRAWFORD BRZ and you will understand. It's all about power to weight ratio.

donavo
05-21-13, 01:36 PM
My STI stock vs ATS its gotta be fair.

My STI was much faster feeling in a straight line out of the box and faster too. Horsepower aside the STI
Has AWD and a great tranny. So launching was fairly violent stock she also has a 4 multiple front and rear slip differentials. Now that I'm running a GTX3076 turbo she's is downright scary violent on launches and I can spin all 4 wheels in the first 3 gears. I had the engine overbuilt. Sub 3 0-60 on launch control:)
ATS feels ok on full launch but not scary at all. I love how it boogies at 2000 rpm. But it needs more power
IMO in a straight line.

Now on the twisties.

The subie stock was decent on cornering I tracked her stock and found a lot of body roll.
I have the 2011 so suspension went where you pointed her. I added fully adjustable coils and big sway
Bars and she was a track beast.

ATS IN MY OPINION IS one of the best sedans I've driven chasis wise I call her tossable. I love to throw
her back end into corners she's very predictable.
Stock the ATS is a far superior track drivers car in the cornering handling sense. She just needs 200 more hp and torque.
She would be perfect.
My STI IS JUST SO SCARY FOR MY PAASENGERS NOW. I LOVE IT:)
Guys google the video on the CRAWFORD BRZ and you will understand. It's all about power to weight ratio.

very nice comparison. so stock vs stock are they close to parr? or the sti stomps it in every aspect?

also, whats ur speculation on stock sti vs tuned ats? (btw what trim is ur ats?)

Siren05
05-21-13, 03:07 PM
2.0T RWD Auto with CUE/NAV MOONROOF.
I WOULD SAY STOCK STI WOULD BE FASTER THAT A FLASHED OR TUNED ATS WITH NO BOLT ONS IN A
STRAIGHT LINE.

BUT I PREFER THE FEEL OF THE ATS ON THE TWISTIES.

BUT OVERALL NO VERY COMPARABLE IMO DIFFERENT CLASS OF CARS

frankc5r
05-21-13, 04:29 PM
I got my EZ flash cable. Do we need to download anything for the tune prior to actually getting it?

Go to wot-tuning.com like previously posted for the latest version of EZ-Flash software. There was a little confusuion on drivers cause my red cable was translucent but did NOT have the Tactrix label like the web site said it should be. Contacted BNR and Jerry sent this link to correct driver for
the red cables used in our group buy:

http://badnewsracing.net/ezflash/CDM20814_Setup.exe

It installed onmy vista laptop w/o any trouble.

frank

ATScape
05-21-13, 11:39 PM
Got my tune just now check your emails...

ATS_maxblack
05-21-13, 11:43 PM
Got my tune in email today. Looking forward to getting it in this weekend.

MyersBalls
05-21-13, 11:52 PM
Got my tune just now check your emails...

Ditto...excitement building

romanats
05-21-13, 11:59 PM
got mine also it comes with a link for video tutoreal on how y=to install everything. My Q is how to flash it back to stock ?

frankc5r
05-22-13, 12:04 AM
got mine also it comes with a link for video tutoreal on how y=to install everything. My Q is how to flash it back to stock ? Yep, got mine too. To flash back to stock just select stock tune from EZFlash menu. Stock tune is embedded in the tune we
got today.

frank

romanats
05-22-13, 12:14 AM
thats what i thought

frankc5r
05-22-13, 11:02 AM
Put my tune in and it took better part of 1/2 hr to do as it read/writes twice. Once it got to 100% 1st time, then flashed a quick message on screen
that I could not read fast enough, then did another read/write cycle.

couple things: 1st- the 1st cpu I tried to use kept giving font errors. EZ needs 96 dpi and no mather how I adj res etc I could not see accept box in custom tune EZ program. All other EZ boxes ok. Changed to different cpu and all went well. 2nd- when you hold down start for 5 sec, dash segments all light up but no message u are in service mode

OK- How does it work. VERY GOOD. I have a OBDII gauge so I can read out all engine parameters so I set it to read boost and knock retard.
For a quick best comparison, put it in 3rd gear and set rpm to about 3000. In tour mode or stock, wot at 3000 yields 13-16 psi and no knock.
In sport or tune mode, I see 20-22.5 psi and a couple deg knock retard. Car lifts up in front because it is pulling so hard.
Wot from a start gives more boost than stock thus pulling harder- feels great. I will have to record some runs with my gauge and play them back to
get more exact numbers. Gauge can read out mass air flow and torque directly so will record those to. Stock gave 30 #/min which cals to 260.8
ft #, the # GM gives for stock.

Make SURE your cpu has ALL power saving shutoff before u program. U do not want it to go to sleep 1/2 way thru programming.

BNRacing
05-22-13, 11:34 AM
Glad you like it Frank (you spoke to me on the phone)! The reason it takes so long is because we are doing a complete OS rewrite, not just a partial flash for jus a couple values like the COBB does. EFILive tuning and HPTuners is the same way, only a few seconds to flash just a few changes to the stock program. After the initial flash of our custom OS to the ECM, updates will be much faster as they will flash in the same manner- just a few changes to what is already there.

It will take longer for the automatics than the manuals as it will flash the ECM, and then the TCM. The manual cars will only take like 15 mins or so to flash initially depending on your computer hardware. I've had people with really old hardware tell me it takes an hour plus to flash, but on a current PC it shouldn't take anywhere near that long.

frankc5r
05-22-13, 12:02 PM
Glad you like it Frank (you spoke to me on the phone)! The reason it takes so long is because we are doing a complete OS rewrite, not just a partial flash for jus a couple values like the COBB does. EFILive tuning and HPTuners is the same way, only a few seconds to flash just a few changes to the stock program. After the initial flash of our custom OS to the ECM, updates will be much faster as they will flash in the same manner- just a few changes to what is already there.

It will take longer for the automatics than the manuals as it will flash the ECM, and then the TCM. The manual cars will only take like 15 mins or so to flash initially depending on your computer hardware. I've had people with really old hardware tell me it takes an hour plus to flash, but on a current PC it shouldn't take anywhere near that long.

Thanks for reply. Would be curious about the changes to trans without getting into trade secrets. It felt
good especially on launch. When I talked to Vince he said the auto slip rpm was elec set and thus
programmable but not sure if that is ready for prime time. Good to know trans was included in tune.

ATScape
05-22-13, 12:02 PM
Thanks Frank good to hear you like it so far and thanks for posting. That's awesome that you have the gauge so we actually measure the improvement and document it. You drive a auto correct? If we could use it on a 6 speed to see if the problems with the tune were fixed or to see if there is any difference in output it would be sweet.

romanats
05-22-13, 12:02 PM
I thought the tune only works in Sport Mode

frankc5r
05-22-13, 12:32 PM
I thought the tune only works in Sport Mode

Sorry, I mistyped and have fixed my post. Fingers got ahead of brain.

I have auto and thus tour mode=stock and sport mode=tune. And it works just like that and on the fly anytime.

Siren05
05-22-13, 12:43 PM
Put my tune in and it took better part of 1/2 hr to do as it read/writes twice. Once it got to 100% 1st time, then flashed a quick message on screen
that I could not read fast enough, then did another read/write cycle.

couple things: 1st- the 1st cpu I tried to use kept giving font errors. EZ needs 96 dpi and no mather how I adj res etc I could not see accept box in custom tune EZ program. All other EZ boxes ok. Changed to different cpu and all went well. 2nd- when you hold down start for 5 sec, dash segments all light up but no message u are in service mode

OK- How does it work. VERY GOOD. I have a OBDII gauge so I can read out all engine parameters so I set it to read boost and knock retard.
For a quick best comparison, put it in 3rd gear and set rpm to about 3000. In tour mode or stock, wot at 3000 yields 13-16 psi and no knock.
In sport or tune mode, I see 20-22.5 psi and a couple deg knock retard. Car lifts up in front because it is pulling so hard.
Wot from a start gives more boost than stock thus pulling harder- feels great. I will have to record some runs with my gauge and play them back to
get more exact numbers. Gauge can read out mass air flow and torque directly so will record those to. Stock gave 30 #/min which cals to 260.8
ft #, the # GM gives for stock.

Make SURE your cpu has ALL power saving shutoff before u program. U do not want it to go to sleep 1/2 way thru programming.

I'm excited. Still waiting on my cable:(

MyersBalls
05-22-13, 03:13 PM
Anyone else having problems with the Microsoft site? Trying to DL the .NET framework and only half of the Microsoft page is displaying.

donavo
05-22-13, 03:20 PM
Anyone else having problems with the Microsoft site? Trying to DL the .NET framework and only half of the Microsoft page is displaying.

same exact thing on my end. bothered me until i found out if you have windows 7 or vista you dont need to do that.

MyersBalls
05-22-13, 04:57 PM
same exact thing on my end. bothered me until i found out if you have windows 7 or vista you dont need to do that.

Thanks for the info. I was able to load my tune and I there is a noticeable difference. Can't wait to data log and dial it in even more.

donavo
05-22-13, 05:05 PM
Thanks for the info. I was able to load my tune and I there is a noticeable difference. Can't wait to data log and dial it in even more.

can u go in detail about that in the trifecta tune review thread? or make ur own review thread? id love to get specific details.

frankc5r
05-22-13, 05:33 PM
A bonus in tune for those with automatics. The 2nd read/write cycle tunes up the trans and it feels to me that most of the delay in throttle response
from torque management is gone.
For those with automatics, we now get a green S showing we are in sport/tune mode AND we get a D with 1-6 depending on gear. VERY NICE since I like
seeing the gear I am in but u got that in the headsup only in manual mode. Now we get D1 to D6 in our sport o on dash in lower rh side.

MyersBalls
05-22-13, 05:41 PM
can u go in detail about that in the trifecta tune review thread? or make ur own review thread? id love to get specific details.

As soon as I have more details to share I'd be happy to.

MyersBalls
05-22-13, 05:42 PM
Now we get D1 to D6 in our sport o on dash in lower rh side.

I didn't even notice that. I feel like going for another ride just to see it.

romanats
05-22-13, 05:44 PM
A bonus in tune for those with automatics. The 2nd read/write cycle tunes up the trans and it feels to me that most of the delay in throttle response
from torque management is gone.
For those with automatics, we now get a green S showing we are in sport/tune mode AND we get a D with 1-6 depending on gear. VERY NICE since I like
seeing the gear I am in but u got that in the headsup only in manual mode. Now we get D1 to D6 in our sport o on dash in lower rh side.

Can you explain to me The 2nd read/write cycle means ? you mean we have to update the file 2 x in order for the tcm to get updates?

frankc5r
05-22-13, 06:12 PM
Can you explain to me The 2nd read/write cycle means ? you mean we have to update the file 2 x in order for the tcm to get updates?

If u reread my orig post after installing tune, I mentioned it got to 100% and I thought it was done but on its own it started a 2nd write cycle
starting back at 0% and 10-15 min later getting too 100% and THEN EZFlash said finished. Jerry at BNR explained it as the 2nd write cycle was
tuning the trans. Manual guys will have 1 write cycle and be done in about 15 min

BNRacing
05-22-13, 06:14 PM
If you have a manual it will only write once, ECM tune only.

If you have an automatic, you'll see a box asking for custom engine, custom transmission, stock engine, stock transmission. Underneath those options you will see a check box that says "Auto Program Transmission after Engine tuning" or something like that. If you leave it checked EZFlash will flash the engine, then the transmission.

MyersBalls
05-22-13, 06:16 PM
If u reread my orig post after installing tune, I mentioned it got to 100% and I thought it was done but on its own it started a 2nd write cycle
starting back at 0% and 10-15 min later getting too 100% and THEN EZFlash said finished. Jerry at BNR explained it as the 2nd write cycle was
tuning the trans. Manual guys will have 1 write cycle and be done in about 15 min

The second cycle for the trans is much quicker than the first. Thought I would mention it since I was getting impatient during the first cycle.

MyersBalls
05-23-13, 12:41 PM
Now we get D1 to D6 in our sport o on dash in lower rh side.

Is this only in certain trims? I check last night and this morning and I only have the 'D'.

frankc5r
05-23-13, 03:32 PM
Is this only in certain trims? I check last night and this morning and I only have the 'D'.

Not sure. I do have premium trim but that should not matter. Only D shows in tour mode. You must hit mode button by shifter and dash will show change to
sport mode and u will get green S and after a couple sec the D1 to D6 depending on what gear u are in.

f

MyersBalls
05-23-13, 04:17 PM
Not sure. I do have premium trim but that should not matter. Only D shows in tour mode. You must hit mode button by shifter and dash will show change to
sport mode and u will get green S and after a couple sec the D1 to D6 depending on what gear u are in.

f

Is this when you are using the manual shift mode of automatic or regular automatic transmission?

frankc5r
05-23-13, 04:59 PM
Is this when you are using the manual shift mode of automatic or regular automatic transmission?

If I use manual shift mode stock and tuned both give you a BIG M1 to M6 but in reg auto mode u get the green S and M1 to M6.
I will double check next time in car

mtinaza
05-24-13, 02:29 PM
Install went and expected and can notice a lot more responsiveness from the line. Anyone have problems data logging? I've seen the procedure but cannot get the screen for "start" button. it just stays on the main menu screen. And the Trifecta screen hangs. I have to end task...

BTW, I was only able to do it the first time but wasn't able to run cycles (driving) so I wanted to log again.

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Nevermind...I just retuned the car and went through the original procedures and was able to data log.

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If I use manual shift mode stock and tuned both give you a BIG M1 to M6 but in reg auto mode u get the green S and M1 to M6.
I will double check next time in car

In manual mode I get the BIG M1 to M6 (how it was stock) but in regular auto mode w/Sport mode on I get green S but no M1 to M6 unless I use paddle shifter to manually shift which is no difference than it was before. Are you saying that it's doing something different that I didn't notice?

I have the performance trim, not premium (so no Heads up display)

Just curious now...

romanats
05-25-13, 10:48 PM
Installed tune today and man does it feel quick it chirps tires in second gear. Car is much more responsive and pulls harder just like everyone else said. I did not drive it too much but definitely noticeable difference. Also I want to say BNR support is unbelievable. Had some issue with set up. went home send an email by the time I was outside Jerry called me on a Saturday Night. Can you ask for more ?

CADILIKENYC
06-18-13, 09:18 PM
i am super jealous!! i get my ATS 2.0T manual on Monday (standard Trim) with a bunch of adds. I read every post on this thread and feel as tho i dont have enough information. Im not really car/computer savy and have never done any electronic mods to any of my cars. I do have a long history of GM car issues with frequent visits to the dealership. I have a big fear losing my warranty. I understand that it is possible to flash back to stock but i think i need to see it to believe it. Are there any videos out there showing the tuning and reversal process? I will gladly dish out the money for the tune and cable at full cost if it will work. AND the million dollar question of whether or not i can do it myself. I live in NYC and have 93 octane readily available at most gas stations. Can someone help/offer support. I intend on doing some D3 body mods which is what brought me to Trifecta followed by finding this thread. D3 is charging $629 for what seems to be the same thing that is offered here. Am i mis understanding it. sorry for being ignorant but im trying to eduMacate myself! thanks for the continued support.

BNRacing
06-18-13, 10:56 PM
That is correct, we offer the same tune for $315. You also need the red cable, which is $150. Here's the info you need to know about ezflash, as well as a how-to video- http://store.badnewsracing.net/EZ-Flash_ep_40.html