: Replace with KYB Shocks ?



Idris
05-03-13, 05:30 PM
I am to replace the shocks on my DTS 06 with KYB air shocks:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KYB-SR1002-Rear-Shock-Absorber-/310444853954?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3ADTS&hash=item4847f48ac2&vxp=mtr

I found them cheeper and I know they have decent reputation. They perfectly fit the DTS as I checked the KYB Catalog :
http://showmetheparts.com/kyb/

The catalog provides the following part description:

Reae Shock Absorber: (Exc. Electronic Susp.); w/ FE1 (Soft Ride Suspension) (Exc. Limo, Hearse, Armoured Body); Box contains two Air Shocks; Recommended OE Replacement


I am not quite sure of what Exc. Electronic Suspension means. And my bigger concern is whether I will face problems of any kind if I install them? Coz these are "air-shocks" and seem to be less high-tech.

Thanks
Idris

grullon10
05-03-13, 06:16 PM
The electronic ride is what people call sport suspencion it is very easy to find out if you have the electronic instead of the regular take a look at the top of the rear shock or the struck if a they have a electric plug coming out of it them. You have electronic ride not the air line connection a electrical one.

Superjim
05-04-13, 01:19 AM
Look at your VIN number...
If the 8th letter is a "Y"... you have the standard suspension.
If it is a "9" you have the Mag Ride (Electronic) Suspension.

Idris
05-04-13, 04:22 AM
Thank you for the reply.
I am sure I have the electronic (magnatic) ride, yet my question is that will it be possible to replace it with the standard?

MoistCabbage
05-04-13, 09:31 AM
No. There's no workaround for installing passive dampers. You'll get codes, warning messages, and speed will be limited to 90.

Superjim
05-04-13, 12:38 PM
Thank you for the reply.
I am sure I have the electronic (magnatic) ride, yet my question is that will it be possible to replace it with the standard?

Is your car the Performance Edition or Luxury Edition ??

MoistCabbage
05-04-13, 05:04 PM
No. There's no workaround for installing passive dampers. You'll get codes, warning messages, and speed will be limited to 90.Actually, can the MRC option be disabled with a Tech II in the '06+ cars?

ral1960
05-04-13, 06:01 PM
MoistCabbage is talking to hisself.
Appears there's been some fermentation.

Your handling will be sloppier with the back end moving more. Is it a question of money, or do you want a softer riding car?

I believe you can replace the MRC shocks one at a time, instead of in pairs as with normal shocks.

MoistCabbage
05-04-13, 09:47 PM
MoistCabbage is talking to hisself.
Appears there's been some fermentation.I was questioning my original answer.


Your handling will be sloppier with the back end moving more. Is it a question of money, or do you want a softer riding car?He'll still have the stiffer FE3 springs. Ride will be very similar unless he drives very aggressively.


I believe you can replace the MRC shocks one at a time, instead of in pairs as with normal shocks.Incorrect.

danog
05-05-13, 01:24 AM
Actually, can the MRC option be disabled with a Tech II in the '06+ cars?

No

Its on the High Speed Lan. The ECM,TCM,BCM will be looking for its ID code. If the BCM doesn’t recive the code {ID} of the MRRTD it will tell the ECM to have the IPC display MAXIMUM SPEED 80mph.

You can put in Base struts and us resistors to keep it from setting codes.

ral1960
05-05-13, 02:31 AM
He'll still have the stiffer FE3 springs. Ride will be very similar unless he drives very aggressively.
Why else would he buy a Performance model {which he should have told us in the original post}? (but perhaps he didn't choose it).

I thought I read here that the springs rates were the same for all non-commercial DTSs. Will he want firmer springs with softer shocks, or is it only a small difference?

I assume that automatic level control works independently from the MRC.

MoistCabbage
05-05-13, 03:23 AM
can put in Base struts and us resistors to keep it from setting codes.Resistors can be used in the older F45 (CVRSS), but not the F55 (MagnaRide) cars. You sure you can use resistors for the '06+ MRC cars? What value?

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Why else would he buy a Performance modelMost people who drive performance models (of any car), don't use them to their full potential. I highly doubt he's driving the car close to its handling limits.


I thought I read here that the springs rates were the same for all non-commercial DTSs. Will he want firmer springs with softer shocks, or is it only a small difference?FE3 includes different dampers, springs, and sway bars.

Not a big enough difference to have to worry about swapping springs.


I assume that automatic level control works independently from the MRC.Correct.

ral1960
05-05-13, 05:02 PM
Most people who drive performance models (of any car), don't use them to their full potential. I highly doubt he's driving the car close to its handling limits.

My base DeVille would hold the road better than the seat would hold me, but the DTS will take turns confidently at speeds I would not have dared with it. I hope the OP won't learn the hard way that there is a difference.

MoistCabbage
05-05-13, 07:35 PM
If he wants to drive fast enough to get himself a ticket, he'll have to pay up for the MRC dampers.

.....I never suggested getting passive replacements.

ltdltc
05-08-13, 09:10 PM
Resistors can be used in the older F45 (CVRSS), but not the F55 (MagnaRide) cars. You sure you can use resistors for the '06+ MRC cars? What value?

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Most people who drive performance models (of any car), don't use them to their full potential. I highly doubt he's driving the car close to its handling limits.

FE3 includes different dampers, springs, and sway bars.



That may be on older K Bodies. On 2006+ DTS the coil springs # rate are exactly the same front and rear on a VIN 9 or VIN Y DTS. The only difference is that on VIN 9 cars the rear coil springs are a 1" to ˝" taller to accommodate the MRC shocks.

Before trading in my Lux II I looked at getting the coil springs from a Performance sedan but then found out they are the same. When I swapped out the AC Delcos for Monroes the car rode a whole lot better. But MRC is really a lot better but even with MRC I find the car still float a bit. Par for the course I guess.

Superjim
05-09-13, 12:26 AM
That may be on older K Bodies. On 2006+ DTS the coil springs # rate are exactly the same front and rear on a VIN 9 or VIN Y DTS. The only difference is that on VIN 9 cars the rear coil springs are a 1" to ˝" taller to accommodate the MRC shocks.

Before trading in my Lux II I looked at getting the coil springs from a Performance sedan but then found out they are the same. When I swapped out the AC Delcos for Monroes the car rode a whole lot better. But MRC is really a lot better but even with MRC I find the car still float a bit. Par for the course I guess.

If you haven't tried it already... run 36 psi cold in the front tires and 34 psi cold in the rear tires.
The higher pressure pretty well eliminates the float on mine on the highway.

stormnn
05-09-13, 11:49 AM
If you haven't tried it already... run 36 psi cold in the front tires and 34 psi cold in the rear tires.
The higher pressure pretty well eliminates the float on mine on the highway.
What he said & especially if the car is loaded. Even 36 rear if loaded.
Norm