: AIR RAID or D3 intake



RobbE
05-03-13, 03:15 PM
Whats up boys...
just put the corsa exhaust on my wagon (black tips)... Now I want to add the intake. One thing i am cautious about is warranty being voided due to the super charger an adding an intake, and the other is the nasty check engine light.

I dont want to get the car tuned, as it is brand new.. But i put intakes on all my cars....

what do u guys think?

air raid or D3 ??

Arca500
05-03-13, 04:16 PM
I personally like the look of the D3 intake but, it seems that you can find a little better deal on the AirRaid intake. Performance wise, my guess is they are pretty much the same. D3 does have awesome hands on support and they frequent this forum and are actively involved here so, for me, I'd go D3.

2013CTSV
05-04-13, 12:07 AM
Air Raid. I got pretty insane results from it. Just posted a thread.

Kramer
05-06-13, 02:18 PM
I purchased AIRRaid aswell due to the posts from this forum!

blaine321
05-06-13, 08:54 PM
Intake and Exhaust wo/tune is pretty risky. Not sure about the LSA, but with any other Supercharged car... this is a BIG NO NO. Exhaust is usually okay, but intake usually is a bad idea on a stock tune.

HUGN*RDS
05-06-13, 10:36 PM
I run a D3 intake with a custom 3" exhaust and it went well with the stock tune but at times I did notice (besides lots of power!) some odd idle blips and the occasional hick-up (no more annoying than the supercharger rattle, need a solid isolator) which isn't major by any means but the drivability was good and I didn't see any obvious signs of overworking the stock tune.

Crystal Red CTS-V
05-06-13, 10:48 PM
Intake and Exhaust wo/tune is pretty risky. Not sure about the LSA, but with any other Supercharged car... this is a BIG NO NO. Exhaust is usually okay, but intake usually is a bad idea on a stock tune.

Stock tune has enough flexibility to compensate for the Airaid, so no issues there. My Airaid and stock tune get along together very well!

neuronbob
05-06-13, 11:03 PM
Intake and Exhaust wo/tune is pretty risky. Not sure about the LSA, but with any other Supercharged car... this is a BIG NO NO. Exhaust is usually okay, but intake usually is a bad idea on a stock tune.

On this car it's OK, at least with the Airaid. Proven time and time again over the five years of the life of this model. Yes, a tune optimizes things, but the stock tune compensates after some time and driving.

To answer the OP's question, Airaid is generally preferred by current V owners because it requires no special installation, and costs less. The D3 intake requires an additional piece to control AFR IIRC. I'm pretty sure the D3 guys will be by this thread soon to explain their intake a little better as they are an active and responsive vendor on this forum.

HUGN*RDS
05-07-13, 08:45 AM
On this car it's OK, at least with the Airaid. Proven time and time again over the five years of the life of this model. Yes, a tune optimizes things, but the stock tune compensates after some time and driving.

To answer the OP's question, Airaid is generally preferred by current V owners because it requires no special installation, and costs less. The D3 intake requires an additional piece to control AFR IIRC. I'm pretty sure the D3 guys will be by this thread soon to explain their intake a little better as they are an active and responsive vendor on this forum.
Both intake companies advertise them differently...Airraid claims no tune is needed (which is pretty correct) and D3 says they require a special programming tune (AFR) but I found that it works well with my stock setup and tune. Other people find the same to be true with the D3 not requiring a tune.

Greg_D3
05-07-13, 04:18 PM
Whats up boys...
just put the corsa exhaust on my wagon (black tips)... Now I want to add the intake. One thing i am cautious about is warranty being voided due to the super charger an adding an intake, and the other is the nasty check engine light.

I dont want to get the car tuned, as it is brand new.. But i put intakes on all my cars....

what do u guys think?

air raid or D3 ??

Robbe,

2009-2010 do not need a tune, 2011-early 2012 absolutely will need a tune, later 2012-2013 can be hit or miss . The factory tune in the 2011- early 2012's can not compensate for the increased amount of air flow that our intake provides.

Prdnme
05-07-13, 04:29 PM
I run a D3 intake with a custom 3" exhaust and it went well with the stock tune but at times I did notice (besides lots of power!) some odd idle blips and the occasional hick-up (no more annoying than the supercharger rattle, need a solid isolator) which isn't major by any means but the drivability was good and I didn't see any obvious signs of overworking the stock tune.

That's bold statement without data logging. :tisk:

2013CTSV
05-07-13, 04:51 PM
with todays day and age and how advanced these computer systems are I wouldnt worry about a tune with your intake. These things compensate. I never once in my life has any issues when it came to adding an intake to an otherwise stock car.

austin
05-07-13, 08:18 PM
with todays day and age and how advanced these computer systems are I wouldnt worry about a tune with your intake. These things compensate. I never once in my life has any issues when it came to adding an intake to an otherwise stock car.

Not sure about that one...... The D3 intake has caused lean issues and trouble codes for folks here on the board requiring a tune.

The Airaid seems to be the best solid trouble free choice. Others here on board have taken the Airaid one step further and have upgraded the Airaids filter to the larger K&N RF-1044 and are experiencing incredible results.

To each his own. :)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-2013-cadillac-cts-v-performance/226256-d3-cai-caused-lean-condition-2011-a.html

2013CTSV
05-07-13, 08:50 PM
That's absolutely silly to me that an intake would cause any sort of issue. IMHO the fact that the air raid has no issues yet the d3 does says which one to buy in itself.

khachikyan
05-07-13, 11:52 PM
what is the correct AIRRAID part number, model number for the V series engine? or is it the same intake compatible for both regular CTS and CTS-V models?

link?

Naf
05-08-13, 01:55 AM
You can run a stock tune with intake and exhaust. Your car is excessively rich from the factory, thats why we gain so much from just a tune. If you add the intake and exhaust and slowly work up to WOT letting the ECU dial in the trim, you will be fine. if you hear clicking noise then back off the throttle and let the trim catch up

The o2 sensors will pick up the subtle change in the mixture and adjust accordingly. Its not like you are drastically changing your cams, heads and porting the snot and expecting the ECU to keep up.

pat2t2f
05-08-13, 06:46 AM
Does the intake void the warranty?

HUGN*RDS
05-08-13, 09:33 AM
Does the intake void the warranty?

I don't think the intake can void your waranty unless that's what causes the problem on your car when you take it in for warranty. Most dealerships are cool with this from my experience.

That's bold statement without data logging. :tisk:

I agree, YMMV, but from stock I installed an intake and then 3 weeks later an exhaust and starting at stock the car idled mint and ran perfect. I noticed no trouble. With the air intake installed I noticed the engine would sometimes slightly rev itself and fight the brakes. Maybe this happened before? Maybe it didn't. Keep in mind that k&n filters come with oil on them and have been seen to cause MAF cleanliness issues. Like I said about the idle blips..

Also, I cleaned the filter with the recharge kit and lightly applied filter oil to it so that it contained a reduced amount of oil and now is less likely to contaminate the MAF. I haven't had a problem since.


That's absolutely silly to me that an intake would cause any sort of issue. IMHO the fact that the air raid has no issues yet the d3 does says which one to buy in itself.

See above. Air raid offers two filters, bringing us back to the whole oiled filter vs. non-oiled filter argument. I prefer k&n.

Purevil
05-08-13, 09:44 AM
I hate to add to your decision, but I went with New Era's and love it!!! The 4" piping flows amazing and having the filter down in the fender makes me happy knowing there's nothing but cold air

quikag
05-08-13, 09:51 AM
As another data point, I installed an Airaid in my 2012 CTS-V automatic with no tune and it's been awesome. Noticeable performance improvement, great supercharger whine, and zero codes, check engine lights, etc. The engine loves gulping that additional air.

RobbE
05-11-13, 09:37 PM
Wow......

Thank you to all who gave their 2 cents.....

Its a wrap. Airraid it is....

I have other cars that are modded and tuned to the tits... not interested in a big headache with this car. But i just cant leave well enough alone... looks like I am not the only one... lol

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Wow......

Thank you to all who gave their 2 cents.....

Its a wrap. Airraid it is....

I have other cars that are modded and tuned to the tits... not interested in a big headache with this car. But i just cant leave well enough alone... looks like I am not the only one... lol

Trapspeed
05-12-13, 07:49 AM
Good call. Just remember to assemble a good portion of it from the comforts of your couch and then fit it to the car. Much easier that way.

Purevil
05-12-13, 10:08 AM
Congrats! Enjoy your addition and keep us informed of your future upgrades, and I'm sure there will be ;)

CTSV UT
02-17-14, 12:28 AM
Greg_D3,
What is an "early 2012"? Mine was built on 12/5/11. I am looking at your CAI but live in Northern Utah. It would be hard to tune it up here.
Thanks,
Blake