: Video equipment

04-15-13, 03:17 PM
I know some of you guys spend some time at the track and use cameras to capture you time. Well my GoPro is having issues with the memory card and stuff. Gonna use it as a time to upgrade. I have been looking at a few different ones.




Anyone have any experience with any of these? The only reason why I am not looking at a GoPro again is because the audio quality was so poor and I just want to try something new. Any feedback would be great.

I'm trying to keep cost reasonable like under $500. I know there is camera/data acquisition software that is amazing but it is probably a little out of my price range.

04-15-13, 04:28 PM
I don't have experience with the ones that you posted, but here is an autocross run that I filmed with my Iphone4 and Harry's Lap timer (http://www.gps-laptimer.de/Home.html). The user interface can be a bit confusing, but it does a decent job of recording video and allowing you to do basic data overlay. It uses the onboard GPS to make a map and does lap timing automatically.

-Internal Iphone GPS is 1hz you can buy an external 5hz GPS receiver.
-You can also buy a wireless OBDII device which allows you to record and overlay OBDII values as well.


04-15-13, 04:34 PM
review couple yrs old but if budget is a concern...


04-15-13, 07:32 PM
I still have a first gen contour

does great video (30fps 1080p/60fps 720p) and as for the audio, it's just a hole in the plastic body for the mic, and the key is not exposing it to wind.

the newer contours have had real-time iphone viewfinder capability for a while.

I would go with another contour if this first gen broke (after three years and going strong)

04-15-13, 08:44 PM
I already have the torque app on my phone that can overlay speed, rpm, and other stuff. Sometimes it works well sometimes it doesn't. I want to get one I can stick on the outside of the car. I'll check out that youtube video when I get a chance. I just want something that can shoot HD video. Audio isn't much of a concern, plus with most newer cameras you can get a remote mic. I'll check the contours also. The drift app is still in BETA for the androids to control the camera and view the feed which would be pretty sweet.

04-16-13, 12:22 AM
What is the problem with the card? I have had gopro 1,2 and now 3. The first two never gave me a single problem. The 3 has gave me only one card problem and after a format never again. I have used the external mic on the 2 and the three that a buddy lent me his mic setup. The battery on the 3 sucks. I have two. I may get a third one. I had the contour and the picture quality wasn't as good as ( atleast ) as the hd hero 2. Out of the three links you got i would do the contour. I would call it an upgrade. If i was to upgrade it would be for a track type system. Cost more but you get more than just a camera. Hope this helps. Also if i can give any tips on the gopro use let me know.

04-16-13, 02:38 AM
Well the card normally like 'clicks' in. Then you can push it in to click it again and it will pop out... not mine. It's a GoPro1 and its pretty old. I might have to just deal with it. It's just annoying cuz sometimes it will jiggle out on the track and stuff, sometimes it won't.

04-16-13, 05:07 AM

try putting sticker on the back of it? make it a little thicker

04-16-13, 09:52 AM
Go Pro 2 here......I fn love that thing.

04-16-13, 11:14 AM

try putting sticker on the back of it? make it a little thicker

It sticks in the side. I have tried tape, stickers, cramming shit in the side of the case, lol still have some inconsistency in the reliability of recordings.

04-16-13, 01:29 PM
I may have a hd2 for sale soon. Cheap too. Not sure yet. Let me know if your interested.

04-16-13, 01:41 PM
is it the right sd card, maybe there's a latch that's missing or something

or not, I don't know what the internals of an sd card retainer look like.

(it wouldn't be worth opening it and replacing the retaining parts?)

04-16-13, 04:35 PM
Well it still kinda works so I am a little leery of taking it apart. I'll just deal with it for now. The old lady got all pissed when I was gonna order it so I'm gonna have to wait.

04-19-13, 12:56 PM
heh. relevant:

1st gen Contour (image resized)


04-19-13, 04:10 PM
That's a sweet picture... Those casing spin out of there with the quickness.

04-19-13, 04:19 PM
and that's just one frame! helluva picture quality for 30fps, no?

04-19-13, 04:32 PM
Year n my quest to find a decent cheap camera I have found some with picatinny mounts and stuff. I was thinking, hmmm I don't know if I want everyone to be able to see what I shoot. Someone may interpret a threat different than me based on a small angle of vision.

04-19-13, 04:58 PM
I noticed a contour mounted low on the right side of a motorcycle patrolman's helmet this morning.

another nice feature of the contours is the lens can be rotated 90degrees from center each way, to adjust for non-vertical mounting.

I stripped everything off my weapon. too much weight. I'm not one of those picatinny rangers

04-21-13, 05:23 PM
Just give me a stock ass m4 with iron sights doped for my eyes and I'll knock shit down easily 400+. But there are guys at my work that have the super tackleberry going on. This one guy has an EoTech (which I do like a lot BTW) a light on the left, a pistol foregrip aaaaand a bipod in front of that. Like wtf?

Yea a lot of the motorcycle cops are getting cameras like that. Like a dash cam for them.

Also drift innovations makes a camera that will rotate all the way around

04-21-13, 09:44 PM
D3l7a3ch0 <-expert qual with iron sights

I have mounted my contour to my helmet through shoot houses and ranges. I don't imagine the wider GoPro would have made such use simple.

contours have swivel/arm attachments now, and with the bluetooth-to-iphone viewfinder functionality, I like the idea that I'm not paying for a LCD screen on the back of my camera (as is the case with the Go-Pro).

04-21-13, 11:29 PM
New gopro is it own wireless network so you can have iphone as view finder and make any changes to the setting on the camera. Remote on and off with that too.

04-21-13, 11:54 PM
right, and that would be great but it also has a LCD on the back of it? I don't like the idea of paying for extra features that I wouldn't use. not only that, but as they're similar in price, someone's cutting corners or overpriced......

-I- think, just to be thorough, a side-by-side video comparison would be nice. (a comparison of two videos that are captured by a GoPro and Contour mounted on the same dash, at the same time)

still, I really, really dislike the orientation of the GoPro......... enough that I wouldn't buy it just for its mounting style.

04-22-13, 01:22 PM
Maybe i'm misunderstanding by what you mean as lcd. On the one i have it has nothing on the back except for the battery that goes in it. Not the battery pack but just the one that it needs. All i do is turn on the wireless function with the button on the unit and then start the app on my phone and see what the camera sees. I'm no pro but i don't think it has any thing on the back that is a lcd. Either way contour is a great product too. I've just started to do more video editing and i like using the 4kp mode and the 1440p. I also do a lot of water use with it. Reef stuff. It has been down 180 ft a few times with no problem. I by far am no pro or anything. Just starting to get into it as a small hobby. I have seen the 4kp on a new 4kp capable oled tv and i was like WOW!

Found this video.


I have heard that there are issues about reliability of the gopro line but, i have never had any but for one on the new one i got. I had the card not record but i figured that it was my fault due to trying to use a card that got dropped in water. I let it dry and it work but not well. Bought a new card and never had a problem again. I do think that maybe i have been very lucky in this regard of reliability though. I have had the latch break and they sent me a new one no questions asked. The camera was fine and took the hard hit no problem.

As to mounting. I've just used a few of the sticky mounts and they are part of the car lol. One on the windshield and on on the front bumper. Anything else the suction mount has never failed me ( yet lol ).

I hope that i'm not coming off as pushy or pushing anything. I'm just stating my limited experience with the products i use. I can respect your view on your product. I've seen and used video from a contour and it was great too.

04-22-13, 01:43 PM
The LCD is an add on option. The it is not included with the purchase of the camera.

04-22-13, 02:29 PM
I was under the impression the GoPro had an LCD viewfinder on the back--and it made sense to me the body was traditional camera-style to accommodate the viewfinder.

I like the bullet-style body better, but what I would really like is a camera that has the image sensor at the end of a bendy snake, like the necks of some lamps. For the ease of positioning and location... On a headband, around an A pillar. reduced air friction, too.

4k... I've had discussions about 4k with gamers, and my expectations for 4k is the timeline is very far off--the first time I saw an HD display was in '91(?) and 720p is still mainstream. Recording in 4k would take up a lot of disk space, the large files would be difficult to edit, and unless the video is downsized the bandwidth to share it is limiting, and you might be on the edge of consumer displays, but you'll be the only one with a 4k display for a while.

HD television broadcasts are still not all 1080p, and your Blu-rays can be upscaled but that wont look right

I'm at the library, at school, and I should be studying for my algebra test; I will watch that video at home, this evening.

(my 3GS bandwidth is too low for YouTube, anyway)

:) odla the thought crossed my mind my opinion would be taken the wrong way. But I like strong opinions, and I prefer that people who have them opt to fire away

...out of respect. I think it can be contemptuous and dismissive to deny someone a discussion... :)

04-22-13, 02:51 PM
What are you doing reading this right now? Time to study. lol messing with ya.

"out of respect. I think it can be contemptuous and dismissive to deny someone a discussion"

"odla the thought crossed my mind my opinion would be taken the wrong way. But I like strong opinions, and I prefer that people who have them opt to fire away"

I feel the same way. Glad that this seems to be taken the same way on both sides.

looks like netflix is doing 4kp soon. Also some 4kp 55-65" tv's are coming at a $2k-5k range soon. The new ps4 will also be able to play content and games in 4kp.


Now get back to studying lol.

04-23-13, 12:53 AM

THAT ONE! THAT'S WHAT I WANT! I didn't see that link until just now.


I've never had the Contour break long videos.....

I dunno, odla, how about that video... I think the Contour is better......!!!

the ps4... oh no you didn't just call it 4k

ps3 games are not rendered at 1080p or even 720p for some titles... it is
up-scaled by software, and the up-scaling code is also up to the game
developer. the PS4 will be the same way--rendered at significantly lower
than 4k and then up-scaled to a 4k signal. it simply doesn't have the specs
to render true 4k.

basically, the 4k label is fake, like they rubbed it to make it look bigger. it
will have a 4k output, but it will be up-scaled like a DVD or Blu-ray player

I think the ps4 will gain most of its graphics popularity from its 1080p
customers, and up-scaling to 4k will have the same effect on image quality
as the ps3's jump from 720p to 1080p (as 1080p became more popular and
affordable during the its lifespan)

I feel the same way. Glad that this seems to be taken the same way on both sides.

though sometimes I feel guilty--I'll wonder if I should have spared a person's feelings.
including a couple times on this forum...

//(I'm fairly certain I made a 100% on that test. all my calculations did that
magical thing where the equations fall together)

04-23-13, 01:41 PM
I think that the video show good and bad of each camera. I do think that the contour looks better on some shots and vise versa. I thinks we could come up with situations that the contour would be better and the same for the gopro. Both are great cameras for the average person who just want to turn it on and probably not do more than add music to the video.

Good info on the ps3 and 4. I didn't know that stuff.

"though sometimes I feel guilty--I'll wonder if I should have spared a person's feelings"

Nah no need to feel guilty. Sometime people need to feel hurt in order to make growth for themselves. Atleast thats the girly sh** i tell the ones with hurt feelings lol.

Congrats on the test. Harry Potter would be proud of your magic. Lol