: Auto or manual which one you have



underdogg
04-11-13, 12:09 AM
i have a cls 55 Mercedes right now an in the process of wanting to get a cts v 2011.. i drove a 2013 coupe auto an i love the handling an style of the car .performance was very impresseve .. i need some of you guys help i know i want the sedan but stuck
on if i want the auto or manual . i know i want more control over the car an play around with it an i know with an auto there only so much u can do. i want to know if u have either or do you wish you change ? how do it feel to drive a manual sedan ??

SoCalCTSV
04-11-13, 02:48 AM
Grabs a folding lawn chair and a beer.

Trapspeed
04-11-13, 06:59 AM
Grabs a folding lawn chair and a beer.

...and says quietly to himself, "here we go again".

To the OP, mine's an automatic. I just decided I was tired of rowing since I had recently moved from a manual transmission car before. I'm satisfied with it though, trust me.

SoCalCTSV
04-11-13, 09:52 AM
Went from an E34 Manual to an SUV and wanted to drive into a wall after 3 years. I have a manual Coupe and commute 30 miles each way in congested LA traffic. I loved the manual on my E34 but the ergonomics of the seats and constant trips to the shop got the best of me and sold it after putting 2 years and 45,000 miles on it. The V has 21,000 miles and still gives me that excited to drive feeling. I have a 66 Chevelle in the garage that I don't even want to drive anymore.

USAFRET
04-11-13, 10:30 AM
I could go either way - not that there is anything wrong with that :o

But I bought a pre-owned 2011 coupe and this time I opted for the A6, my last performance car was a Z06. Either are good.

Crystal Red CTS-V
04-11-13, 10:45 AM
2012 and newer autos have upgraded software for slightly quicker upshifts.

matt116
04-11-13, 10:58 AM
I have a tuned 2012 coupe and I will tell you it is fantastic. When my friend and I go out (he has a ZR1) he is very impressed on how fast the CTS V with auto is. Sport mode with paddle shifters is auto heaven.
My 2 cents
Good Luck choosing

BTW
It's difficult to get an M6 to beat an A6 with similar mods in a quarter

keithsm2
04-11-13, 11:09 AM
If you purely want to race......they say the auto is faster........personally....i just dont see how you can enjoy this car with the auto....Paddle shifters just dont do it...... Sometimes i want to upshift at 2k.....sometimes 3K........ sometimes something else... pushing the paddle just doesnt do it for me...
only auto at our house is the expedition though...wife has 5.0 mustang manual. three sons with a Kia, a Evo and a Mustang ....all manuals.....Daughters: jeep and a eclipse.....all manuals......sooooooo my response is not surprising :)

My 2 cents.

matt116
04-11-13, 02:43 PM
I had the same opinion until I drove the auto.

thebigjimsho
04-11-13, 03:47 PM
I drove an auto at Monticello. I Iiked it. I drive a sedan. A manual. Manual all day long. Whatever tiny advantage an auto has in the 1/4 can be trumped by a couple hundred bucks in mods.

There have been MANY threads on people regretting getting an auto and have even asked about doing a transmission swap. Craziness. If its even a thought, get the manual and always be happy...

Chrispy
04-11-13, 03:56 PM
I love my 6spd manual wagon. It's fast too for what it has in mods...11.85 at 120.3mph with an Airaid and DRs

Xaqtly
04-11-13, 06:42 PM
I'll say what I say every time this comes up - if you like manuals and you want to drive a manual, GET THE MANUAL. If you like manuals but get the automatic for convenience reasons, in 3-6 months you'll be back here asking how to convert it to a manual or asking for advice on how to trade it in on a manual V. This isn't about which is better, this is only about which one you prefer.

If that's not enough for you to decide, then test drive both, then decide.

RapidRob
04-11-13, 10:12 PM
Manual here - love it!

Rob

V2 BRAWN
04-11-13, 10:27 PM
I have an auto in my CTS-V because it's a Cadillac. My '69 Chevelle SS has a Muncie trans with a Hurst shifter and nothing, except maybe a Ford Toploader, shifts as satisfying. I had a 2000 Camaro SS with 6 speed and was annoyed at times when I didn't want to shift, especially stop and go traffic. I also hated screwing with wearing out clutches.

mmmbacon
04-11-13, 10:51 PM
i have a manual and love my car just did a stock dyno pull and made 499 whp ... life is good and about to be better when i begin modding

V locity
04-12-13, 07:09 AM
I'll say what I say every time this comes up - if you like manuals and you want to drive a manual, GET THE MANUAL. If you like manuals but get the automatic for convenience reasons, in 3-6 months you'll be back here asking how to convert it to a manual or asking for advice on how to trade it in on a manual V. This isn't about which is better, this is only about which one you prefer.

If that's not enough for you to decide, then test drive both, then decide.

^^^This! Only thing I would add is if your are at all competitive with dragging, the autos are out performing the manuals by say 1.5-2 secs through the quarter.

Good luck

Trapspeed
04-12-13, 08:18 PM
I love my 6spd manual wagon. It's fast too for what it has in mods...11.85 at 120.3mph with an Airaid and DRs

Yeah! "Holy Factory Freak, Batman!"

Club Malibu
04-12-13, 09:16 PM
3 pedals.

setherman5000
04-12-13, 09:40 PM
Daily driver, stop and go, gowith the auto. Weekend warrior, stick

simgolfer
04-12-13, 11:58 PM
At risk of being called a Luddite with my cars by my friends again, if you are interested in a manual transmission, get it. So few worthwhile cars have them. And the one on the V is pretty good to boot.

thebigjimsho
04-13-13, 02:01 AM
The V is very easy to drive in traffic.

baabootoo
04-13-13, 11:11 AM
Dude, make a decision already!!!!!!!! :)

Gary Wells
04-13-13, 06:08 PM
Cad CTS-V2 automatic versus manual trans data (as of 01-02-2012):

Manual trans (M6): Tremec TR6060 6 speed manual,
fully synchronized with single overdrive (MG9):
Gear ratios (:1) 1st: 2.66, 2nd: 1.78, 3rd: 1.30, 4th: 1.00,
5th: 0.80, 6th: 0.63, final: 3.73, reverse: 2.90

Gas Guzzler (GG) tax of $1300, or half that of the A6
Faster by 16 MPH (191 MPH versus 175 MPH (governed))
A tad slower in the 1/4 & on the street
A tad better mileage than the auto but probably not significant
About 32 more RWHP than an A6 on average as measured on a Dynojet
About 27 more RWTQ than an A6 on average as measured on a Dynojet
About 95 lbs lighter that the auto
No remote start feature
Has “no lift-shift” feature

Automatic trans (A6): Hydra-matic 6L90E 6 speed
electronically controlled automatic overdrive with
torque converter clutch (MYD): Gear ratios: (1:) 1st:
4.03, 2nd: 2.36, 3rd: 1.53, 4th: 1.15, 5th: 0.85, 6th: 0.67,
final: 3.23, reverse: 3.06

Gas Guzzler (GG) tax of $2600, or twice that of the M6
Slower by 16 MPH (175 MPH (governed) versus 191 MPH)
A tad quicker in the 1/4 & on the street
A tad worse mileage than the manual but probably not significant
About 32 less RWHP than an M6 on average as measured on a Dynojet
About 27 less RWTQ that an M6 on average as measured on a Dynojet
About 95 lbs heavier that the manual
Remote start feature
Normal mode initially starts in 1st gear, then starts in 2nd gear thereafter
Manual mode starts in 1st gear always

About 1 in every 6 ’09 CTS-V’s were / are manual trans (M6)

Chrispy
04-14-13, 08:17 PM
Yeah! "Holy Factory Freak, Batman!"

Thanks :) Couple of thousand quarter mile passes in six speed manual GM cars helps the ET/mph too :)

Razorecko
04-15-13, 03:40 PM
The wagon in stickshift is as fast if not faster than an auto. Reason being is the extra 150+lbs sitting on the rear wheels the wagon has. The reason why the stick is slower because its alot harder to launch it.

matt116
04-15-13, 07:45 PM
You can put a 12 inch wide wheel/ 345 tire on a coupe and launch like a madman in auto or stick.

smashn808
04-16-13, 02:58 PM
Manual here. I had to wait forever to find one.

underdogg
04-18-13, 12:53 AM
manual is what im looking for now because i know me if i dont i will be wanting one later . plus i think with something with that much power needs to be manual u can have so much fun with it .. thanks guys for the info

marcusp23
04-18-13, 01:29 AM
I have an automatic (sedan). Bought paddle shifters as well. Love the car.

All that said, if I were to do it again, I would have gone w a manual. My last car was a manual, and I miss the feel.

LSUFoolsball
04-19-13, 04:39 PM
6Spd Manual if you like to feel the gears!

06CTS-nV
05-24-13, 08:16 AM
Manual for me, it took me 3months to find one. I test drove both the auto and manual before buying. Surprisingly the auto wasn't bad to drive at all, but doesn't do it for me like the manual. IMO a car like this manual is the only way to go. Sure the auto is quicker off the line and at the track but from a roll that auto azz is mine :lildevil:

austin
05-24-13, 08:45 AM
Manual for me, it took me 3months to find one. I test drove both the auto and manual before buying. Surprisingly the auto wasn't bad to drive at all, but doesn't do it for me like the manual. IMO a car like this manual is the only way to go. Sure the auto is quicker off the line and at the track but from a roll that auto azz is mine :lildevil:

Automatic for me........ Just press and go!! No worries when crawling and sitting in very heavy traffic.. Can easily slap over to sport mode when feel the need to shift... My 2004 CTS-V was a six speed manual.. Hated the clutching in traffic, hill starts etc. Just my opinion. :)

thebigjimsho
05-24-13, 05:46 PM
Automatic for me........ Just press and go!! No worries when crawling and sitting in very heavy traffic.. Can easily slap over to sport mode when feel the need to shift... My 2004 CTS-V was a six speed manual.. Hated the clutching in traffic, hill starts etc. Just my opinion. :)

Hill starts are a non-issue with the manual with electric e-brake. As for clutching in traffic, much less with the tq of the LSA...

spearfish25
05-25-13, 08:14 PM
I personally was really disappointed with an auto I test drove. It was a used sedan and it just felt unresponsive and disconnected. I really dislike torque converters but even the Porsche PDK doesn't do it for me. The manual is heaven though. Connected, fast, notchy...couldn't be happier.

How are you doing hill starts with the manual and electric ebrake? The electric ebrake is a low point for me.

the blur
05-25-13, 08:59 PM
I love my manual, but I burnt the clutch on a major hill. I didn't use the E-brake. I just do what I normally do, rolling backwards, and then releasing to go uphill. I couldn't believe the odor of the clutch. Stunk like hell. But nothing happened to it. Still shifts fine. Next time on a major hill, I will use the E brake.

thebigjimsho
05-26-13, 12:09 AM
I personally was really disappointed with an auto I test drove. It was a used sedan and it just felt unresponsive and disconnected. I really dislike torque converters but even the Porsche PDK doesn't do it for me. The manual is heaven though. Connected, fast, notchy...couldn't be happier.

How are you doing hill starts with the manual and electric ebrake? The electric ebrake is a low point for me.Pull up on e-brake to engage. Take foot off brake. When it's time to go, just worry about clutch and gas. e-brake will release. It was designed to do this...

pat2t2f
05-26-13, 10:10 AM
Big Jim,

That does work. I never knew that, thanks.

thebigjimsho
05-26-13, 11:56 AM
Big Jim,

That does work. I never knew that, thanks.

No problem! It's also mentioned in the manual...

Tro Budden
05-26-13, 12:18 PM
i never knew about that ebrake assist thing, i just use 3 peddles with 2 feet. not hard if you know what you're doing. 100000+km and no burnt clutch or problems, step ur foot game up fellas !

thebigjimsho
05-26-13, 01:51 PM
I know what I'm doing. Still used it...

the blur
05-26-13, 02:09 PM
I know what I'm doing. Still used it...

Me too. I've been driving a manual for 40 years. Heal toe around the race track. and I still burnt the clutch on a major hill.

spearfish25
05-27-13, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the ebrake heads up. Didn't know that til I read your answer and happened to drive off with the ebrake engaged. It just auto disengaged and I was off. I immediately thought 'Ohhhhhhhh, well that's not so bad...' I've read you can intermittently pull the switch while driving if you were doing an ebrake turn too. Now it's a bit more reasonable. I still like ripping a manually operated handle though.

oneman42
05-27-13, 08:40 PM
I've read you can intermittently pull the switch while driving if you were doing an ebrake turn too.

Somebody else said it, is not me: all I can tell is that it does work - you can play with the clutch and totally forget about the acceleration up to the 2nd gear and about 15MPH if I am not mistaken, the car will adjust the RPM accordingly.
HTH,
George

Bubba Ho-Tep
05-28-13, 12:11 AM
Manual!

The No-Lift-Shift is amazing!

oneman42
05-28-13, 12:26 PM
Manual!

The No-Lift-Shift is amazing!
How is this supposed to be properly done? For a reason I understood that is only for WOT.
TIA,
George

Crystal Red CTS-V
05-28-13, 06:39 PM
How is this supposed to be properly done? For a reason I understood that is only for WOT.
TIA,
George

Yes, must be set to Competition Mode and WOT only. I love it in my Z06!

CavemanB52
05-28-13, 11:14 PM
Yes, must be set to Competition Mode and WOT only. I love it in my Z06!

You can use it with everything off also. No nannies in my car unless its horrible weather.

sybersport
05-29-13, 05:52 PM
I didn't read through all of the responses, so I don't know if this has been covered off or not... but here's my take.

I went with a manual tranny in my 2011 V, because I love being in control of the car and it's so much more fun to drive a manual. The manual tranny in the V is also one of the smoothest shifting I have ever experienced as well. It's a pleasure to drive.

However, I'll probably never beat the auto V's at the dragstrip since I can't do much better than a 2.0 60 foot on street tires, which bugs me... and there have been a number of times when I've been stuck in traffic and wished I didn't have to keep pushing the damn clutch pedal up and down.

I'm also stuck in a situation now where I have recently gotten married, and my wife can't (and doesn't want to) drive a manual. We have a 3-month old baby so it's either trade in the V for an auto tranny vehicle (like a 2014 Cherokee SRT), or get another car for the wife (which means another parking spot, more insurance, yada yada.)

So looking back, and it pains me to say this, I wish I would have gotten an auto. Sigh.

thebigjimsho
05-29-13, 10:17 PM
People who won't drive manuals bug me...

CavemanB52
05-30-13, 12:16 AM
I agree agree jim.

timg
05-30-13, 07:11 AM
I'm also stuck in a situation now where I have recently gotten married, and my wife can't (and doesn't want to) drive a manual. We have a 3-month old baby so it's either trade in the V for an auto tranny vehicle (like a 2014 Cherokee SRT), or get another car for the wife (which means another parking spot, more insurance, yada yada.)

So looking back, and it pains me to say this, I wish I would have gotten an auto. Sigh.

Or teach your wife how to drive a manual. Pawn it off by promising a European vacation at some point in the future and note that the vast majority of European rental cars are manual transmission cars. The autos are much more expensive.

Also, with a baby in the house, selling the CTS-V for a GC SRT8 is sure to cost a good deal of $$ whereas her learning how to drive a manual is free.

And if all else fails, the GC SRT8 is still an amazing vehicle to have to 'settle' for. :) I think every car guy needs a ridiculously fast SUV.

Tim

pVu
06-18-13, 09:20 PM
A6 and it's awesome...