: 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!!



ROG
03-18-13, 04:38 PM
The V1 is really falling behind !!!

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/2014-cadillac-cts-come-420-hp-twin-turbo-164421435.html

repenttokyo
03-18-13, 04:47 PM
I'll be there at the NYIAS press day when it's unveiled - very excited.

JD03Cobra
03-18-13, 05:09 PM
Let's hope it has fully forged internals! Boost the hell out of it and pick one up with AWD.

JDB
03-18-13, 06:07 PM
Wow... crank up the boost for 500+ should be easy. I hope a tuner is ready to pounce on this. $ in the bank. Coming from Audis with 4 cyl turbo and V6 twin turbos... the market is endless for software, exhausts, bigger turbos, manifolds, FMICs, etc.

rand49er
03-18-13, 06:59 PM
Am not familiar with modding a turbo other than up pipe and down pipe stuff plus the obvious, larger turbo.

How much can just software do? Can that alone raise the maximum boost (by controlling the wastegate valve or something?)? Or, would getting something approaching 500 hp require a different turbo and lots of pipe work?

danrob0123
03-18-13, 07:13 PM
I'm starting to think my V1 is not that fast anymore :sadface:

SevillianSTS
03-18-13, 07:15 PM
I was kinda disappointed too, being this makes our cars less significant.

I will say though that my brother (loves boosted cars) is always impressed how my car doesn't need to spool up... it just goes like hell.

darkman
03-18-13, 07:46 PM
Just another reason to not stay stock.

D3l7a3ch0
03-18-13, 07:56 PM
yep. looks like it's time to move forward with the 6.6 kit.

competition is healthy

http://www.freep.com/article/20130318/BUSINESS0101/130318042/General-Motors-introduces-8-speed-redesigned-CTS-sedan

I wonder if it will end up in the Vette or Camaro hahahaha

Ak Jim
03-18-13, 08:09 PM
I'm starting to think my V1 is not that fast anymore :sadface:

Cars keep getting faster and faster. It will really suck when a toyota camery is faster than we are.

D3l7a3ch0
03-18-13, 08:23 PM
upgrades!

JDB
03-18-13, 10:51 PM
Am not familiar with modding a turbo other than up pipe and down pipe stuff plus the obvious, larger turbo.

How much can just software do? Can that alone raise the maximum boost (by controlling the wastegate valve or something?)? Or, would getting something approaching 500 hp require a different turbo and lots of pipe work?

My '01 Audi A4 1.8 Turbo was 170 hp (factory at 10psi boost), which was the same 1.8T motor in general that is 150 hp at 7 psi boost... with a chip, it was 210 hp. 40/170 is ~25% increase for $500. S4 is a 250 hp twin turbo V6 at 250 going to 310-320 hp range... again, ~25% gain.

My A4 1.8T with a GT28R turbo on race gas was 250-260+ all wheel drive to the wheels making 330+ crank. Almost double than stock at 170 and more than double if you count '97-'00 @ 7psi before '01 model. Never built the motor and tons of miles on it with lots of track days. I hope GM builds them as strong. And a tuner jumps on this.

If you're curious about Audi tuning/numbers: www.awe-tuning.com

mstrjon32
03-19-13, 02:12 AM
Am not familiar with modding a turbo other than up pipe and down pipe stuff plus the obvious, larger turbo.

How much can just software do? Can that alone raise the maximum boost (by controlling the wastegate valve or something?)? Or, would getting something approaching 500 hp require a different turbo and lots of pipe work?

The GMPP tune from the dealer for the Sky RL bumps it from 260/260 to 290/340. I'm ordering a popular tune for mine that bumps it up to around 320/380, with no other mods.

lollygagger8
03-19-13, 10:05 AM
F me running.....that's gonna be badass!


Still won't be as sext as a V1 though. :lildevil:

JD03Cobra
03-19-13, 11:33 AM
I'm starting to think my V1 is not that fast anymore :sadface:

Back in the 80's I bought a 1988 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 new which had 225hp. Mini Van's today put out more HP.

lilgCTS-V
03-19-13, 11:35 AM
Cars keep getting faster and faster. It will really suck when a toyota camery is faster than we are.

dude watch out for the carolla S's they are fearless they will race anything... i dont get it

rand49er
03-19-13, 01:57 PM
F me running.....that's gonna be badass!


Still won't be as sext as a V1 though. :lildevil:He's alive !!!!!!!

branland
03-19-13, 04:00 PM
Back in the 80's I bought a 1988 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 new which had 225hp. Mini Van's today put out more HP.

First and last new car I bought, a Sky Blue 86 Mustang GT 225HP. I added JBA shorty headers, exhaust and 3.73 in the rear. That care was quick back then.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=19341&pictureid=65463

lollygagger8
03-19-13, 04:19 PM
He's alive !!!!!!!

Poor Caddy has just been chilling in the garage....waiting.....sigh....



When's the Dream Cruise Boss?? I'm trying to get a caravan together!

Andringa
03-20-13, 01:52 PM
The V1 is really falling behind !!!

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/2014-cadillac-cts-come-420-hp-twin-turbo-164421435.html

The V1 is going to fall behind based purely on horsepower, but I doubt the new CTS will be nearly as much fun to drive. From what I've read the new CTS is going to be a significantly larger chassis, which means less responsive and heavier.

The fact that a normal CTS is up to 420hp really makes me interested to see the next CTS-V powerplant though.

And here is hoping they put that same TTV6 in the ATS-V. At about 2-300lbs less than our V1 that would be a blast.

rand49er
03-20-13, 02:18 PM
Poor Caddy has just been chilling in the garage....waiting.....sigh....



When's the Dream Cruise Boss?? I'm trying to get a caravan together!Mine, too. Been since Labor Day. Effing weather.

Doggone nephew getting married that day (Aug 17th), so probably only going to be there Friday night.


Threadjack OFF.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 02:23 PM
get that twin turbo kit for $4Gs and be done with it.

better yet put the new CTS twin turbo in your V1

brilliant, I know, but I'm the idea man. it's what I do


dude watch out for the carolla S's they are fearless they will race anything... i dont get it

screw that, if it has a red S on it, I ain't pullin up next to it. you can clearly see the S, you're supposed to know better

lollygagger8
03-20-13, 02:44 PM
Mine, too. Been since Labor Day. Effing weather.

Doggone nephew getting married that day (Aug 17th), so probably only going to be there Friday night.

Thread jackOFF.

Fixed

rand49er
03-20-13, 02:56 PM
Fixed:helpless:

JD03Cobra
03-20-13, 04:47 PM
^^ LOL you just make sure your free on Saturday Randy!!

CTSV_Rob
03-20-13, 05:10 PM
He may be busy, see lolly's post.

odthetruth
03-20-13, 08:05 PM
Sounds good. Here's to hoping the new CTS-V will put out close to 700hp. 1g CTS output was 210-255hp, 400hp V.... then 2g 275-300hp V6, 556hp V...

420hp V6.... 650+hp V?

mberisha
03-20-13, 11:00 PM
The GMPP tune from the dealer for the Sky RL bumps it from 260/260 to 290/340. I'm ordering a popular tune for mine that bumps it up to around 320/380, with no other mods.

Sic!

D3l7a3ch0
03-21-13, 02:29 AM
Sounds good. Here's to hoping the new CTS-V will put out close to 700hp. 1g CTS output was 210-255hp, 400hp V.... then 2g 275-300hp V6, 556hp V...

420hp V6.... 650+hp V?

twin turbo LS>>>>>>>

... for the fuel economy!

lilgCTS-V
03-21-13, 11:00 AM
[QUOTE=D3l7a3ch0;3258783]twin turbo LS>>>>>>>

... for the fuel economy![/QUOTE

well i think GM is done with the LS platform now, but i would be content with the new LT1 accompanied by 2 turbos :)

D3l7a3ch0
03-22-13, 02:10 AM
oh yeah, that's the one I meant

what is this i don't even

Ak Jim
03-22-13, 04:28 AM
Back in the 80's I bought a 1988 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 new which had 225hp. Mini Van's today put out more HP.

Yes, and in 1988 that Mustang was one of the fastest cars on the road!

JimmyH
03-22-13, 03:29 PM
I would not say the "regular" CTS is going to have 420 hp. Based on other cars, only the CTS Premium will have this engine. About 60-75% of 3rd gen CTS will have the 2.0T. Probably another 15-30% will have the NA 3.6. The TT v-6 will account for less than 10%. Bet on it. And I would bet on automatic only. They could potentially make more CTS-V than turbo CTS.

But it won't be heavier. The ATS comes in at 3400 lbs or so with the V6. Figure the CTS will be 3600 lbs.

As for the V, I am betting it continues on with 580 hp, but will weigh 3700 lbs (600 lbs less than current)

RyRidesMotoX
03-22-13, 03:39 PM
The GMPP tune from the dealer for the Sky RL bumps it from 260/260 to 290/340. I'm ordering a popular tune for mine that bumps it up to around 320/380, with no other mods.

I hope that is going to be a HP tune. Try doing an ethanol mix 50%e85 50%premium fuel... You will destroy the inside of your underwear, front and back. I miss that cobalt with the LNF... Total animal of a motor.

On topic... The new cts is gonna be heavier so the power difference is gonna balance a little. Just makes me want to get the motor built and boosted that much quicker

D3l7a3ch0
03-22-13, 04:15 PM
3700 lbs is plus-size supermodel light

put the TT V6 in the XLR! <-tbh i don't even know if it's still made.... but it should be! product planner probably says no

CTS V Tuner
03-22-13, 06:39 PM
Back in the 80's I bought a 1988 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 new which had 225hp. Mini Van's today put out more HP.

But the most powerful minivan today still isn't as much fun to drive as that stock '88 5.0L Mustang is 25 years later.

Our first gen Vs are significant, the way the Buick Grand National, Saleen Mustangs, and the Viper were 20-25 years ago. We're talking about and driving cars that raised the bar from a performance standpoint. They opened people's eyes to the hidden potential lurking in the US auto manufacturing industry and market at each step of the way.

JimmyH
03-22-13, 06:56 PM
On topic... The new cts is gonna be heavier so the power difference is gonna balance a little.

The 3rd gen CTS is going to be lighter. Much, much lighter. The ATS starts at 3300 lbs, and the CTS is going to be a slightly longer ATS.

JD03Cobra
03-22-13, 11:48 PM
The 3rd gen CTS is going to be lighter. Much, much lighter. The ATS starts at 3300 lbs, and the CTS is going to be a slightly longer ATS.

I was next to a 2014 CTS Test mule today...it looks larger that the current model CTS. Is the 2014 CTS on the same platform as the ATS?

rand49er
03-23-13, 10:58 AM
I was next to a 2014 CTS Test mule today...it looks larger that the current model CTS. Is the 2014 CTS on the same platform as the ATS?I believe it's suppose to be a stretched version of the Alpha platform, the platform the ATS uses, maybe as little as 3,600 lbs with the 2.0 T as the base motor.

Sometimes it's hard to visualize what with all the crazy disguising, but what was your impression of the mule?




EDIT: More info ... http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/11941

repenttokyo
03-24-13, 02:45 PM
I would not say the "regular" CTS is going to have 420 hp. Based on other cars, only the CTS Premium will have this engine. About 60-75% of 3rd gen CTS will have the 2.0T. Probably another 15-30% will have the NA 3.6. The TT v-6 will account for less than 10%. Bet on it. And I would bet on automatic only. They could potentially make more CTS-V than turbo CTS.

But it won't be heavier. The ATS comes in at 3400 lbs or so with the V6. Figure the CTS will be 3600 lbs.

As for the V, I am betting it continues on with 580 hp, but will weigh 3700 lbs (600 lbs less than current)

it will definitely be heavier. it's going to be larger in every dimension than the current CTS, and it's going up against the A6 and the 5 Series.

I'd say the 2.0T will be the volume engine, but that the TT V6 will be second in sales. Most people want the entry-level or the top tier, not the mid-tier engine.

I also don't see the CTS-V getting any lighter. Why would it drop 600 lbs? It is EXTREMELY difficult to lose that much weight from one generation to another, especially when making the car bigger. I think the only vehicle to lose close to that much weight in recent memory is the Land Rover Range Rover, and that's because they went to an almost all-aluminum design.

in any case, I have my invitation to Cadillac's CTS launch Tuesday night in NYC, so I'll find out the details soon enough.

rand49er
03-24-13, 03:37 PM
... in any case, I have my invitation to Cadillac's CTS launch Tuesday night in NYC, so I'll find out the details soon enough.Make sure you post up lots of info. Can't wait.

Here's a few pics of it: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/2014-cadillac-cts-first-official-photos-117238/

repenttokyo
03-24-13, 03:54 PM
Make sure you post up lots of info. Can't wait.

Here's a few pics of it: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/2014-cadillac-cts-first-official-photos-117238/

i'll do my best - it's a hectic night, have to be at Honda for the Odyssey that evening too (I know, I know, but it can't all be glory!)

JD03Cobra
03-24-13, 08:41 PM
Front end looks pretty busy...overall looks nice a step in the right direction. Interior looks very nice.

D3l7a3ch0
03-24-13, 08:56 PM
wow that nose is quite a statement

xxxcrown
03-24-13, 10:33 PM
An e30 m3 has much less horsepower than a normal 3 series, that doesn't mean the new 3 series is better or as fun to drive.

D3l7a3ch0
03-24-13, 10:46 PM
An e30 m3 has much less horsepower than a normal 3 series, that doesn't mean the new 3 series is better or as fun to drive.

you... don't expect to be taken seriously after what you just wrote... do you?

carlson_mn
03-24-13, 11:17 PM
New front end reminds me of the newer MB E-series.

JimmyH
03-25-13, 12:54 AM
it will definitely be heavier. it's going to be larger in every dimension than the current CTS, and it's going up against the A6 and the 5 Series.

I'd say the 2.0T will be the volume engine, but that the TT V6 will be second in sales. Most people want the entry-level or the top tier, not the mid-tier engine.

I also don't see the CTS-V getting any lighter. Why would it drop 600 lbs? It is EXTREMELY difficult to lose that much weight from one generation to another, especially when making the car bigger. I think the only vehicle to lose close to that much weight in recent memory is the Land Rover Range Rover, and that's because they went to an almost all-aluminum design.

in any case, I have my invitation to Cadillac's CTS launch Tuesday night in NYC, so I'll find out the details soon enough.

Because its moving to the alpha platform, which was design from the ground up to be a very light chassis. And GM has already stated that the next cts is going to be lighter than the current one. The current is cts is based on the porky sts platform. And proves that suspension engineers can work miracles with obese vehicles.

xxxcrown
03-25-13, 04:53 AM
you... don't expect to be taken seriously after what you just wrote... do you?

I was making the connection that just because something newer comes out with more power, does not mean your car is any less special than it was. Just about every manufacturer has added power over the years to all models. A Ferrari 355 Challenge is slower than a normal F430, does that mean the older special edition is no longer as special because a newer normal edition has come out with more power from the factory?

RyRidesMotoX
03-25-13, 05:33 AM
The 3rd gen CTS is going to be lighter. Much, much lighter. The ATS starts at 3300 lbs, and the CTS is going to be a slightly longer ATS.

Well seeing as they are going to be outfitted with all the 2014 gizmos and doodads I think it will be heavier than the first gen. I should have been more specific in my previous post. My apologies.

D3l7a3ch0
03-25-13, 06:42 AM
I was making the connection that just because something newer comes out with more power, does not mean your car is any less special than it was. Just about every manufacturer has added power over the years to all models. A Ferrari 355 Challenge is slower than a normal F430, does that mean the older special edition is no longer as special because a newer normal edition has come out with more power from the factory?

Nevermind, it's worse than I thought.


New front end reminds me of the newer MB E-series.

also the latest BMWs. I assume you're referring to the blunt nose that is apparent in side view? oh wait, you might mean the headlights.

I saw a 5-series on the road earlier, and it struck me as similar to the CTS preview shots linked in this thread.

rand49er
03-25-13, 10:48 AM
Because its moving to the alpha platform, which was design from the ground up to be a very light chassis. And GM has already stated that the next cts is going to be lighter than the current one. ...So, by extrapolation, IF the ATS-V does indeed get the new 3.6TT, then the new CTS-V, which we're fairly certain will be in the 3,600-3,700 lb range maybe as high as 3,800 as evidenced by the stretched Alpha platform it's going to be on, may get either the new LT1 or possibly some sort of a FI version of the LT1. With the NA version, at 450 hp it should nearly equal the current CTS-V's performance I'd think. At anything over 500 hp, it should indeed be in the "stupid fast" category.

Andringa
03-25-13, 11:18 AM
So, by extrapolation, IF the ATS-V does indeed get the new 3.6TT, then the new CTS-V, which we're fairly certain will be in the 3,600-3,700 lb range maybe as high as 3,800 as evidenced by the stretched Alpha platform it's going to be on, may get either the new LT1 or possibly some sort of a FI version of the LT1. With the NA version, at 450 hp it should nearly equal the current CTS-V's performance I'd think. At anything over 500 hp, it should indeed be in the "stupid fast" category.

Purely from a marketing standpoint, I don't see them selling a CTS-V3 with less horsepower than the CTS-V2. I think carrying over the LSA with the same output is probably a minimum. Possibly a different engine with the same output, but I don't think that is as likely.

rand49er
03-25-13, 11:23 AM
Purely from a marketing standpoint, I don't see them selling a CTS-V3 with less horsepower than the CTS-V2. I think carrying over the LSA with the same output is probably a minimum. Possibly a different engine with the same output, but I don't think that is as likely.Good point. But, at a weight significantly under 4,000 lbs (stretched Alpha platform) and, say, 580 hp (the ZL1 version of the LSA) ... well, I just can't imagine!

JimmyH's comment about "stupid fast" will be so-o appropriate.

RyRidesMotoX
03-25-13, 12:13 PM
You have to also think the new Shelby has 650ish HP. While it isn't even close to the luxury of the current Cadillac V, and won't be as nice as the new one, I'm thinking it will at least have to partially compete with it.

I have seen rumblings on the internet about a forced induction LT1. Plus seeing as how they want cars to get more and more fuel economy, a turbocharged car would make the most sense. That would be pretty awesome. If they want the cts-v to continue to compete with the m5 they are going to need some serious power.

odthetruth
03-25-13, 12:44 PM
Considering the ATS-V will be the M3 fighter, an ATS-V with only 420hp will not be enough to combat a newer M3, while the older M3 which outputs 420hp and weighs in at just about 3700lbs range... cuts mid 12s at ~112mph thanks to its DCT transmission more then anything. ATS-V is going to need low 12s @ 115+mph. Thats what a V2 cuts, brand new. Newer ATS-V might end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 3700lbs after all options, etc... and with just 420hp, isn't going to cut it vs even the old M3 DCT, IMO. A 500hp version of the ATS-V would be exactly what you'd need to beat the M3 at that weight.

I doubt the newer CTS-V will have less then 556hp. If it did, it would be career suicide for whoever is in charge of that market. I expect it to make significantly more... not just 580hp either. The older gen M5 made 500hp out of a NA V10 and put down numbers very close to the CTS-V in terms of trap and ET both. In comparison for the new M5 vs the '09 V...

2013 BMW M5 (DCT) 0-60 3.7 sec 1/4 mile 11.9 sec @ 120.3 mph
2011 Cadillac CTS-V 0-60 4.0 sec 1/4 mile 12.3 sec @ 117.7 mph

Their best bet will not be to equal the high 11s at 120 (which is impressive for a sedan) and what we've seen from lightly modded V2s, but it will be to beat it and although you can probably best ET with a lighter car, you will need power to best trap IMO.

Considering if they remove 200lbs from the current curb weight for the V model... They'll need 600hp or more to significantly best the car and be noticable in any side by side comparison test vs a BMW M5 DCT.

While the V2 was noted as 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, this was in the coupe... in good conditions, with an excellent driver. On average, the V2 was 0-60 in 4.2... just like the V1 was normally 0-60 in broken-axle, instead of the 4.7 advertised. LOL. It needs to have the power to best its competition while being easily accessible and able to put down the power. I think the performance division has learned alot since the V1, and don't see that as being an issue. I would expect this new generation of V to put down even more power. 400hp, 556hp, ____hp?

RyRidesMotoX
03-25-13, 12:51 PM
If they do a turbo version of the LT1 it would be a beast. My last car was a DI turbo 4 banger. With a tune and some simple built ons it was throwing down like 400lbs/trq to the wheels. I was pulling vettes and supercharged 4.6 mustangs on the big roval track at Fontana, CA. A LT1 turbo (maybe twins???) would make a person mess his pants with a tune, downpipes, good intercooler(s) and charge pipes. I sure hope that's what they do. Although I couldn't afford one, it sure would be awesome to see.

repenttokyo
03-25-13, 01:21 PM
Because its moving to the alpha platform, which was design from the ground up to be a very light chassis. And GM has already stated that the next cts is going to be lighter than the current one. The current is cts is based on the porky sts platform. And proves that suspension engineers can work miracles with obese vehicles.

I hope you are right - but 600 lbs?

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you... don't expect to be taken seriously after what you just wrote... do you?

i take him seriously. i'd rather drive an e30 m3 than a new 3 Series. And I am not in the minority.

D3l7a3ch0
03-25-13, 01:30 PM
I was referring to the argument by analogy

the follow-up post included more of the same and a presupposition that I needed/wanted reassurance that my V is special

that's when I tune out.

but maybe i'm touchy. maybe I didn't need to say anything

odthetruth
03-25-13, 02:01 PM
I hope you are right - but 600 lbs?

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i take him seriously. i'd rather drive an e30 m3 than a new 3 Series. And I am not in the minority.

I think 600lbs is a tall order on a luxury sedan. I wouldn't expect 600lbs difference. If it loses weight (which in itself would be amazing considering each model always gains weight), it would at most IMO lose 200lbs. If the 5th gen Camaro weighed as much as the 4th gen, and not closer to what a V1 weighs, it would be much faster and a much better car. However, options and safety equipment weigh newer cars down. To lose 600lbs is too tall of an order on a CTS-V, IMO.

rand49er
03-25-13, 04:30 PM
... To lose 600lbs is too tall of an order on a CTS-V, IMO.Maybe so, but it needs to. Well, maybe 500 which would put it at ~3,800 lbs (oink oink).

D3l7a3ch0
03-25-13, 06:24 PM
3,800 is ****in' -light-for four doors

JimmyH
03-25-13, 07:29 PM
If you were asking them to trim 600 lbs from the current sigmaII CTS, then yes, that would be impossible.

But that is not what they are doing. The 3rd gen CTS will be so in name only; this is an ENTIRELY new car. From the ground up folks.
We will find out tomorrow I guess. I could be wrong. It's happened before.


But I am sticking with my predictions:
ATS-V; 3400 lbs with 450 hp
CTS-V; 3700 lbs with 580 hp

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And who say any V has to be faster than any M? What are the odds of a bone stock V lining up next to a bone stock M?
The V doesn't stand a chance against the M in the media. The communist car rags will make sure of that. Fortunately, most of us enthusiasts are above the preschool level those guys operate at.

wilmo
03-25-13, 09:26 PM
There is no way the ATSV with a TTV6 will weigh the same as the ATS 2.0T.. It just wont happen. The ATS 3.6 weighs 3561 and the V will most likely be heavier than that too with turbos/intercooler etc. The ATSV will probably be well over 3600 lbs.. Which isnt so bad.. The 2012 M3 weighs 3700 and the 2013 335 is about 3600.

xxxcrown
03-25-13, 11:35 PM
Nevermind, it's worse than I thought.

"What" is worse than you thought? I really have no idea what your problems are with my posts.

Ramv
03-26-13, 12:02 AM
Any chance of any of the new V being AWD? That would be a game changer in my mind.

D3l7a3ch0
03-26-13, 12:33 AM
Having given the V1's power some thought, after reading this thread, methinks the V1 needs a power adder.

Could they have offered it with one, yes, and why did they not? Probably had something to do with product planning.

Cadillac and GM never would have had a CTS-V ripping the luxury sport sedan class a new ******* big enough that the muscle car lines would feel it. ...not in 2004, anyway. Nor was there a need to--the V and its class has remained close-ish in power and performance.

Would've been cool, though. I like the way the V2 led Vettes and Camaros by the hand with the LSA

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tl;dr: I'm upping the motor plans from 6.6L to 6.6 with supercharger. ("hey nice Caddy! is that the one with five hundred something horsepower?"

"naw, six!)

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PS: I'm keeping the deer.

xxxcrown
03-26-13, 01:19 AM
i take him seriously. i'd rather drive an e30 m3 than a new 3 Series. And I am not in the minority.

Thanks, he has some sort of issue with my analogies. In a pm he is suggesting that I have deficiencies in my logic for posting those analogies, and then asked me how much college education I have. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be like this towards others.

D3l7a3ch0
03-26-13, 01:32 AM
tl;dr:

just to be clear, GT|Motion pm'd me.

xxxcrown
03-26-13, 01:42 AM
tl;dr:

just to be clear, GT|Motion pm'd me.

Yes I did, I wanted to know what your problem was.

D3l7a3ch0
03-26-13, 01:44 AM
friends?

xxxcrown
03-26-13, 01:48 AM
friends?

Sure

mstrjon32
03-26-13, 02:41 AM
Looks like the cat is out of the bag a little early:

http://jalopnik.com/2014-cadillac-cts-this-is-it-458768296

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18im52u59oqomjpg/k-bigpic.jpg

D3l7a3ch0
03-26-13, 04:56 AM
yyyyyyyyyyyyep

time to get the baby some bolt ons

odthetruth
03-26-13, 01:31 PM
Maybe so, but it needs to. Well, maybe 500 which would put it at ~3,800 lbs (oink oink).

3800lbs would be amazing, but even a well trimmed ATS falls into 3700. I don't see how a car built to be a larger car and a 5 series competitor will be in that weight range.


If you were asking them to trim 600 lbs from the current sigmaII CTS, then yes, that would be impossible.

But that is not what they are doing. The 3rd gen CTS will be so in name only; this is an ENTIRELY new car. From the ground up folks.
We will find out tomorrow I guess. I could be wrong. It's happened before.


But I am sticking with my predictions:
ATS-V; 3400 lbs with 450 hp
CTS-V; 3700 lbs with 580 hp

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And who say any V has to be faster than any M? What are the odds of a bone stock V lining up next to a bone stock M?
The V doesn't stand a chance against the M in the media. The communist car rags will make sure of that. Fortunately, most of us enthusiasts are above the preschool level those guys operate at.

I doubt the V guys set out to be slower then the M series guys... in any aspect. The E90 M3 has been out since 2007 and has had 420hp since then. To 'battle' the future M3 with 420hp would be a mistake. Even with 450 would be a mistake. Odds are the new M3 will be closer to 500. Fully optioned ATS weighs 3700ish. I don't see how the TT 3.6L can weigh less then the 3.6L, as mentioned here. I'm expecting the following:

ATS-V; 3650 lbs with 480hp
CTS-V; 3800 lbs with 620hp

Best case weight and worse case horsepower scenario

I think the V stands a decent amount of chance against whatever they put it against. Look at the V2 comparos. Everyone hailed it for its price per horsepower bargain, its handling, and its interior. There really was not much negatives I heard in big wig comparisons.

The only place I've ever seen stock Vs line up against stock Ms has been in a camera for MotorTrend or InsideLine or some Youtube car channel. There is absolutely no denying the modability of the V2 powertrain platform, which with less money, will pull an F10 M5 with no issue. Intake, Pulley, Tune will get you above 580hp crank in the LSA with no problem.

JimmyH
03-26-13, 05:10 PM
Don't care how much it is going to weigh at this point. They completely screwed up the styling. Just like so many other current sedans, they overbaked it.

sebas042886
03-26-13, 07:24 PM
3800lbs would be amazing, but even a well trimmed ATS falls into 3700. I don't see how a car built to be a larger car and a 5 series competitor will be in that weight range.



I doubt the V guys set out to be slower then the M series guys... in any aspect. The E90 M3 has been out since 2007 and has had 420hp since then. To 'battle' the future M3 with 420hp would be a mistake. Even with 450 would be a mistake. Odds are the new M3 will be closer to 500. Fully optioned ATS weighs 3700ish. I don't see how the TT 3.6L can weigh less then the 3.6L, as mentioned here. I'm expecting the following:

ATS-V; 3650 lbs with 480hp
CTS-V; 3800 lbs with 620hp

Best case weight and worse case horsepower scenario

I think the V stands a decent amount of chance against whatever they put it against. Look at the V2 comparos. Everyone hailed it for its price per horsepower bargain, its handling, and its interior. There really was not much negatives I heard in big wig comparisons.

The only place I've ever seen stock Vs line up against stock Ms has been in a camera for MotorTrend or InsideLine or some Youtube car channel. There is absolutely no denying the modability of the V2 powertrain platform, which with less money, will pull an F10 M5 with no issue. Intake, Pulley, Tune will get you above 580hp crank in the LSA with no problem.

Base is going to weigh in a little bit over 3600 pounds. That is INSANELY good, and 200 pounds lighter than the 5 series with which it will compete, and the A6 as well.

I own an ATS, and if the driving dynamics of the ATS are transferred over to the CTS with the new engine... i want out of my lease.

Tlorenzen
03-26-13, 11:44 PM
Don't care how much it is going to weigh at this point. They completely screwed up the styling. Just like so many other current sedans, they overbaked it.

I'm actually Impressed with the front, but the rear....ohh my my my...some angles I thought it looked alright though...Maybe it'll grow on me when I see it in person this fall...Hopefully...

etcts-v
03-27-13, 01:02 AM
If the TT version CTS is called the Vsport that doesn't mean there won't be a V8 V correct?

CadillacAsAlways
03-27-13, 02:00 AM
If the TT version CTS is called the Vsport that doesn't mean there won't be a V8 V correct?

Yeah, as I read somewhere, think of a Vsport as an M-sport. A pumped up version of the base model, including maybe some light cosmetic changes, but not at all the full deal like a real CTS-V or a real M5.

We'll still get a real CTS-V with a V8, probably making around 600hp, under 4.0 second 0-60 hopefully, and darn it we better get a manual for it too... These base CTS's will have no manual...

Anyway, only thing I'm really bummed about is no CTS coupe. This ATS coupe better make up for it, but then the ATS-V coupe likely won't have a V8. It'll likely have this TT 3.6L.
I really want a V8 powered V coupe....

cmjohnson
03-27-13, 08:39 PM
One thing I love about this new car is that the instrument cluster is going to be (at least on some variants) an LCD screen which will be configurable to
show just basic instruments, or more instruments if you want. I figured that was coming and it's a feature I want.

Problem is, the car will probably have to be used and at least six or seven years old before I can afford it. I'll just have to wait...or buy more lottery tickets.


I envision a car with a full glass cockpit and sidestick controller, someday. No steering wheel. And...either front seater can drive it.

SC2150
03-27-13, 09:33 PM
The 3.6 has a tuff as nails crank/rods/pistons already and we have 500 hp super charged, single and twin turbo builds all over the world holding up fine.

Been force feeding these for a few years now.

:thumbsup:

Kooly
03-29-13, 02:13 PM
Very impressed with the specs of this car. Just I'm not going to spend the money when the outside(back half of the car) is grandpa styling. Ugly. Put a much cooler back end on this car and you would have a head turner, a real winner people would want to drop big bucks on.

SC2150
03-29-13, 02:27 PM
Send your 2010 to us for 500 HP for only $6900 complete turn key and have more power for much less$$.

:thumbsup:

Kooly
03-29-13, 09:17 PM
Sc I may have to think about that. Please pm me the details. I have a 3.6 DI non awd.

DMCEDDoc
03-30-13, 09:18 AM
My supercharged AWD 3.6DI runs great. No problems with it holding up. It embarrasses Camaro SS and Mustang GT owners on the surface streets and highway.

arw1510
03-30-13, 11:45 AM
Send your 2010 to us for 500 HP for only $6900 complete turn key and have more power for much less$$.

:thumbsup:

What's your usual turn around time with something like that?

SC2150
03-30-13, 06:19 PM
It's $6900 complete. Installed, tuned, complete to kick but. DMCEDDoc has had his AWD newer one SC'd for somewhere around a year now? And kicjs but all over the place.

Add $999 for the 3600 stall converter (helps 3-4 tenths in the 1/4 mile).

Turn around time once here is 2-3 weeks (we drive it for 4-5 days to make sure no issues pop up as its along way back if its not correct, and tuning takes a few days).

The car is amazing when finished 2wd or AWD.

Anyone wanting to schedule, May is the earliest we can fit the next ones in. We have 16 cars in right now. SC, single turbo, twin turbo, heads/cam(s) both V6 & V8.

Call direct for details: 941-721-1826

www.RevXtreme.com

Have dealers in Germany, Russia, PRC (China), Australia, and the US (we are in Palmetto, FL between Sarasota and Tampa).

:thumbsup:

1BadCadSTS
03-30-13, 06:38 PM
It's $6900 complete. Installed, tuned, complete to kick but. DMCEDDoc has had his AWD newer one SC'd for somewhere around a year now? And kicjs but all over the place.

Add $999 for the 3600 stall converter (helps 3-4 tenths in the 1/4 mile).

Turn around time once here is 2-3 weeks (we drive it for 4-5 days to make sure no issues pop up as its along way back if its not correct, and tuning takes a few days).

The car is amazing when finished 2wd or AWD.

Anyone wanting to schedule, May is the earliest we can fit the next ones in. We have 16 cars in right now. SC, single turbo, twin turbo, heads/cam(s) both V6 & V8.

Call direct for details: 941-721-1826

www.RevXtreme.com

Have dealers in Germany, Russia, PRC (China), Australia, and the US (we are in Palmetto, FL between Sarasota and Tampa).

:thumbsup:

S/c a lh2 awd n* v8?

SC2150
03-30-13, 07:39 PM
We do V8's (started doing FI in the mid 1970's) steady to 100-1200 rwhp and up if the budget is there.

Here is a twin turbo Z06 we did a few years ago....even with sticky Nittos had to be over 100 mph to come into full boost w/out instantly blowing tires up in smoke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEDeTR_Z6oc

D3l7a3ch0
03-31-13, 12:57 AM
Adding to CTS mod talk, I have considered opening a thread to discuss a 6.6L LS build including a trans replacement. If people are considering $8k for a 3.6L and 500hp, I think I may not be the only V1 owner who would consider $8k for a 600hp supercharger-ready 9.0:1 motor and trans combo.

I'm stopped in las cruces, NM for the night. I will post to a new thread for the 6.6L build some time this week.

DMCEDDoc
04-25-13, 04:32 PM
I'm only running 7# boost after I changed crank pulleys. I had to switch because the snout on my first crank pulley broke.

I have to purchase a smaller SC pulley so that I can run with stock V8s again. My girl's tuned SHO whoops my ass!!

I was way faster at 10#...I wouldn't recommend going with 6-7# knowing what it's like to have 10#