: 2012 3.6l oil requirements



snow333
02-27-13, 07:27 PM
Tried to see if there were any posts regarding the change from full syn Mobil1 required in older SRX. New 2012 3.6l has the syn blend as a requirement. I asked the dealer what had changed and the service mgr. said GM is paying for the service on new cars. Pretty sure he was joking or was he? Old forums are discussing oil, consumption, brands, etc. Obviously the 2012's don't have the mileage or wear yet, but doesn't anyone else think this is odd?
BTW, I asked this same mgr. if it was ok to switch to a blend for my 2005 and he thought it best not to switch now...

wwolfe68
02-27-13, 08:58 PM
Just picked up my 12 SRX AWD Premium Saturday and yes my Cadillac dealer is doing "free" oil changes and tire rotations for the length of the 4yr/50k mile bumper to bumper warranty. They do put synthetic or syn blend in as well as oil change intervals are 5,000 miles.

erdoc48
02-27-13, 09:28 PM
Just picked up my 12 SRX AWD Premium Saturday and yes my Cadillac dealer is doing "free" oil changes and tire rotations for the length of the 4yr/50k mile bumper to bumper warranty. They do put synthetic or syn blend in as well as oil change intervals are 5,000 miles.

Yup, same here.

Z71
02-28-13, 12:44 PM
GM went with Shell to supply them a synthetic blend packaged as AC Delco Synthetic Blend. They award the supply contracts to the lowest bidder and Shell was able to make a blend that could pass the dexos requirement. GM does not recommend a full synthetic oil in any 2011 + vehicles.

Shell is the largest oil company in the world.



Will Cadillacs still use Mobil 1 as a factory-fill oil?
• No, ACDelco dexos1 5W-30 will be used as factory fill, and meets the standards for Cadillac engines.
• However, Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 5W-30 is dexos1-approved and will remain on the GM Oil Program as the dexos1
Full Synthetic offering on our program for those consumers who want to purchase it.


Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 5W-30 is dexos1-approved and remains as the “Best” option in our Good Better Bestcomprehensive offer .

Cadillac Cust Svc
02-28-13, 01:48 PM
snow333,

Your service manager was likely referring to the Cadillac Premium Care Maintenance Program. Check it out here: http://www.cadillac.com/owners/premium-care-maintenance.html

Sarah (Assisting Katie), Cadillac Customer Service

snow333
03-06-13, 09:19 AM
Probably did not make my myself clearer. The svc. mgr. was trying to make a joke about the switch
since GM is paying, therefore the requirement changed to cheaper oil. I agree with previous comments except the interval at my dealership will not be 5000 miles but still relies on the DIC when needed. Also if I want full syn I pay extra. Not complaining just wondering what changed?
My 2005 is an oil user(120k plus) and might switch to a blend. BTW very happy with the 2012 so far.

CBOYLE
03-07-13, 11:36 AM
I use Mobil 1 in our 2012 SRX and pay for it. Just a preference. Used it in our 2008 STS and never had a problem.
I will take the free tire rotation when the time comes

beachcad
04-12-13, 10:30 AM
My wife just had the first oil change on her 2012 Lux AWD. The odo was approximately 3600 miles at 19% oil life remaining. For reference, almost all of the driving has been in-town. I had asked her to request Mobil 1 and when she made the service appointment she was told the upcharge was minimal. When she arrived for her appointment, the service advisor originally told her that it was too soon for the oil change. She explained that she had received the oil life warning from Onstar and the dealership had called to schedule the appointment. Then he asked about the length of ownership and she replied the car was purchased in July 2012. After a few more minutes and checking, both regarding the mileage and the use of Mobil 1, the service advisor said that they would proceed with the oil change and tire rotation. She had been advised that the Mobil 1 upgrade was $15. When the service was completed, the service advisor said there would be no additional charge for the Mobil 1. He also said they were still unsure about the warranty coverage for using Mobile 1 and whether the manufacturer would pay for all, some, or none of the cost for the Mobil 1. Regardless, the dealer would waive any charge resulting from non-reimbursement for the Mobil 1, and they would know next time. Apparently, she was the first to request Mobil 1 oil. I sincerely hope that the use of Mobil 1 is authorized by GM for warranty use, even with a $15 upgrade charge. I still believe that full synthetic is still the best option (without getting into the argument about whether Mobil 1 is really a fully synthetic oil!) I understand the petroleum based and blended oils meeting dexos 1 specs are more expensive than similar oils meeting previous GM specifications. Not really sure how the dexos 1 cost compares to the full synthetics.

Kauai 1
04-12-13, 11:08 AM
Mobil 1 bottles now state on the front label "Dexos 1 Approved."

beachcad
04-12-13, 11:25 AM
Mobil 1 bottles now state on the front label "Dexos 1 Approved."

I was unclear in my last remark. I knew that Mobil 1 is dexos 1 approved, but I don't think anything changed with the formulation. I meant to compare the cost of dexos 1 blends (i.e. the new AC Delco blend, supplied by Shell) with the full syns (i.e. Mobil 1).

RippyPartsDept
04-12-13, 11:28 AM
GM is not paying for Mobil1 ... the dealer can use mobil1 if they want but GM is only going to reimburse them for the price of dexos

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also, i'm pretty sure ExxonMobil makes the ACDelco branded Dexos

beachcad
04-12-13, 11:30 AM
GM is not paying for Mobil1 ... the dealer can use mobil1 if they want but GM is only going to reimburse them for the price of dexos

Thanks Rippy, got it. BUT, is GM going to pay ANYTHING if Mobil 1 is used? That was the question left unanswered. If GM pays for the dexos 1, and the dealer upcharges, say $15 like we were first told, I'm happy with that. If the dealer wants to upcharge for the full cost of the Mobil 1, then I am not pleased with that.

RippyPartsDept
04-12-13, 11:57 AM
no, they should only upcharge the difference (that's what we do)

NotMine
04-15-13, 07:34 PM
Just had the Premium Service done on the wife's car (2012 SRX) and when the dealer picked up the car to do the service, I gave specific instructions (in writing) for the use of Mobil 1 FULL synthetic. Also I supplied a container for the oil sample that I send in for analysis. Listed a few other small things I wanted done.

ALL ITEMS WERE COMPLETED TO MY SATISFACTION. The completed Service Order states, "Customer Requires Mobil 1", with no upcharge. The delivery driver said the Service Manager OKed the NO UPCHARGE. Very happy.....

RippyPartsDept
04-15-13, 09:17 PM
Awesome.

zinner
04-17-13, 10:45 PM
Check your oil levels frequently. The 3.6 like to use up oil. And if you go by the OLM and don't pay attention until 12k miles later, then well you might be down 2-3 qts of oil.

I know the CTS-V had an oil level monitor not sure if the 3.6's got that feature as well?

Marc NY
04-18-13, 07:12 AM
Check your oil levels frequently. The 3.6 like to use up oil. And if you go by the OLM and don't pay attention until 12k miles later, then well you might be down 2-3 qts of oil.

I know the CTS-V had an oil level monitor not sure if the 3.6's got that feature as well?ALL GM vehicles have an OLM - Oil Life Monitoring system. One should check their oil level at every gas fill up and of course very few of us will actually do that. I don't know where you would get that the 3.6L likes to use up oil? I certainly have not heard much talk about using excessive oil on that engine.

adamjeeps
04-18-13, 08:54 AM
Zinner was asking if the SRX has a low oil level light. I don't know if it does or not. Guess that is my project for the day to find out. My Avalanche and Grand Prix do. The 5.3 in the Avy drinks a little. The ol' Grand Prix leaks a little :)

RippyPartsDept
04-18-13, 09:01 AM
Marc, some of the LY7 3.6 engines consume oil

adamjeeps
04-18-13, 09:26 AM
Page 5-35 of my 2012 manual says "ENGINE OIL LOW — ADD OIL
This message displays when the
engine oil level is too low. Check
the oil level."

So unless you are extremely worried about it, you can trust the system to let you know if you are low.

RippyPartsDept
04-18-13, 09:36 AM
I can't find an oil level sensor/switch in the parts catalog

the owner's manual has been wrong in the past on various features etc that I wouldn't trust it

adamjeeps
04-18-13, 10:01 AM
I can't find an oil level sensor/switch in the parts catalog

the owner's manual has been wrong in the past on various features etc that I wouldn't trust it

Thanks Chris, I checked mine before the oil change at about 5,500 miles and was full, so hopefully I don't have to worry about using oil for a long while.

Hopefully we can learn from someone for sure if there is or is not an oil level sensor.

Marc NY
04-18-13, 11:44 AM
Marc, some of the LY7 3.6 engines consume oilThanks for the heads up... I wasn't aware that there may be some 3.6L engines that could be using a little more oil than normal.

RippyPartsDept
04-18-13, 02:09 PM
Yeah, those that consumed some oil along with the extended oil change intervals (due to using better oil and more efficient engines) compounded by owners who never check the dipstick ended up causing a lot of problems with timing chains, tensioners, guides, bent valves and even a few blown motors

snow333
04-18-13, 05:35 PM
Well 20 posts later including a GM Rep?, a parts mgr. and my original post is still not answered. What changed? Why is GM using a blend and not a Mobil1 requirement on their new 3.6? FWIW my VT dealer is charging the difference if Mobil1 is requested. Anybody?
Also mr Rippy my SRX has had Mobil1 changes when needed and it is definitely an oil user at 126k miles.

Marc NY
04-18-13, 07:03 PM
I can't find an oil level sensor/switch in the parts catalog

the owner's manual has been wrong in the past on various features etc that I wouldn't trust itWhen I was at the Cadillac dealer today I asked the service guys if there was a low oil warning/ indicator light on the SRXs. He said there was no oil light indicators to warn the driver if s/he's oil level was low.

RippyPartsDept
04-18-13, 07:23 PM
Any engine can 'consume' oil if not properly broken in. With the LY7 it seemed to be more common than most.

redvett94
04-18-13, 08:13 PM
Mobil 1 is Dexos approved and can be used in all engines. GM does NOT say you cannot use Mobil 1 or any oil as long as its Dexos approved.

Here are the Dexos approved oils.

Brand Name

Supplier

Fluid Type

Viscosity

Region



ACDelco dexos1® SAE 5W-30

General Motors

dexos1

5W-30

Global



ACDelco dexos1® SAE 5W-20

General Motors

dexos1

5W-20

Global



ACDelco dexos1® SAE 0W-20

General Motors

dexos1

0W-20

Global



Advantage dexos1

Advanced Lubrication Specialties

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Altra SHL dexos1

Allegheny

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Amalie Elixir Full Synthetic 5W30

Amalie

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



April Hyper Syn

Verco International

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Blue Mountain Professional dexos

Old World Industries

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



BP Visco 5000 DX 5W-30

BP Plc.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



CAM2 dexos1 Full Synthetic

CAM2

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



CARQUEST Synthetic 5W30

CARQUEST

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Castrol Edge with SPT 5W-20

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-20

Global



Castrol Edge with SPT 5W-30

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol Edge with Titanium 5W-20

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-20

Global



Castrol Edge with Titanium 5W-30

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol Edge DX 5W-30

Castrol Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol Edge Professional DX 5W-30

Castrol Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol GTX Magnatec

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol GTX Professional DX 5W-30

Castrol Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol GTX SynBlend

BP Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Castrol Magnatec Professional DX 5W-30

Castrol Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Certified Performance dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-20

N. America



Certified Performance dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Coastal

Warren Oil Co.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



DuraMAX dexos1 Full Synthetic

Four O Corporation

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



EcoPower

Safety-Kleen

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Elaion F50 d1

YPF SA

dexos1

5W-30

SA ,ME, Africa



ENOC X-Treme Energy

ENOC

dexos1

5W-30

SA, ME, Africa



Enviro Plus GF5 SAE 5W-30

Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Extreme Max

Lubricating Specialties Company

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Fuchs TITAN Supersyn D1 SAE 5W-30

Fuchs

dexos1

5W-30

Global



G-Energy FE DX1 5W-30

Gazpromneft-Lubricants, Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Europe



GE Platinum 5W30

Bangchak Petroleum Public
Company Limited

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



GM Genuine Motor Oil dexos1™ 5W-20

General Motors Korea

dexos1

5W-20

Korea Only



GM Genuine Oil dexos1™ 5W-30

General Motors Thailand

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Golden West dexos1 SN

Texas Enterprises, Inc.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Great Wall Ultra Golden 5W-20

Sinopec

dexos1

5W-20

Asia Pacific



Great Wall Ultra Golden 5W-30

Sinopec

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



GulfTEC dexos1 Synthetic

Gulf Oil Limited Partnership

dexos1

5W-30

Continental
US Only



Hartland dexos1

Bob Johnson Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Havoline ECO 5

Chevron Products

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Havoline Sintetico SAE 5W-30

Chevron Products

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-30

Chevron Products

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Havoline Synthetic Blend Motor Oil SAE 5W-30

Chevron Products

dexos1

5W-30

Global



HELLA dexos1

Raloy Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Idemitsu dexos1™ 0W-20

Idemitsu

dexos1

0W-20

Global



Idemitsu dexos1™ 0W-30

Idemitsu

dexos1

0W-30

Global



Kendall GT-1 dexos1 5W-30

Phillips 66 Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Kixx G1 dexos1™ 5W-30

GS Caltex

dexos1

5W-30

Global



KRONEN ENERGY SAE 5W-30

Raloy Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



KunLun Tianrun SN/GF-5 5W-30

PetroChina

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



KunLun Tianrun SN/GF-5 5W-30

PetroChina

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



LubriGold

Warren Oil Co.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Lukoil Genesis FE 5W-20

LukOil

dexos1

5W-20

Global



Lukoil Genesis FE 5W-30

LukOil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



MACH2 dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-20

N. America



MACH2 dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



MAG 1

Warren Distribution

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Max 1 Advanced Synthetic 5W30

Coastal Blending & Packaging

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Maximum Performance dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-20

N. America



Maximum Performance dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Maxtron PCMO

CHS Inc.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



MFA Oil Motor Oil SAE 5W-30

MFA Oil

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Mobil 1 0W-20

ExxonMobil

dexos1

0W-20

Global



Mobil 1 0W-30

ExxonMobil

dexos1

0W-30

Global



Mobil 1 5W-20

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-20

Global



Mobil 1 5W-30

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Mobil 1 x 1 5W-30

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-20

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-20

Global



Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-30

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Mobil Super 3000 Formula D1

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Mobil Super Synthetic 5W-30

ExxonMobil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



MOL Dynamic Synt D 5W30

MOL-Lub GmbH

dexos1

5W-30

Europe



NATIONAL

Pinnacle Oil

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Nippon Oil dexos™ 5W-30

JX Nippon Oil & Energy USA

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Nulon Full Synthetic 5W-30 Long Life Engine Oil

Nulon Products Australia Pty Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Peak Performance dexos

Old World Industries

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Pecas Genuinas GM dexos1

General Motors Brazil

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Pennzoil 5W-30 Synthetic
Blend Motor Oil

Shell Oil Products Co.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 Full
Synthetic Motor Oil

Shell Oil Products Co.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Performance Plus

Safety-Kleen

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Petro-Canada Supreme Synthetic

Petro-Canada

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Petromin A1 Super Synthetic Oil 5W-30

Petromin Corporation

dexos1

5W-30

SA, ME, Africa



PETRONAS Syntium 5000 GM 5W-30

Petronas Lubricants International Sdn. Bhd.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Prista Ultra G 5W-30

Prista

dexos1

5W-30

Europe



Pro 5

Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd.

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Puratech PureSYN 5W30

North American Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Q.A.P. Synthetic 5W30

BestBuy Auto Parts

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Quaker State Synthetic Blend

Shell Oil Products Co.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Quaker State Ultimate Durability
Full Synthetic

Shell Oil Products Co.

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Quantum X-5 FullSYN 5W-30 Motor Oil

United Petroleum Company

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Quartz 9000 Future FGC 5W-30

TOTAL Lubrifiants

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Rallye 100% Synthetic 5W30

Amalie

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



RAVENOL DXG

Ravensberger Schmierstoff

dexos1

5W-30

Europe



Service Pro Full Syn dexos1

Association of Independent Oil
Distributors (AIOD)

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



SGM Fullysyn 5W-30

Shanghai General Motors

dexos1

5W-30

Global



Silver State

Colorado Petroleum Products Co.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Sinclair Arctic Fire Full Synthetic
Supreme Motor Oil GM dexos1

Sinclair

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Sinopec Polar Star IV

Sinopec

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Sinopec Polar Star V

Sinopec

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Sinopec Polar Star VI

Sinopec

dexos1

5W-30

Asia Pacific



Super XHD Synthetic

Universal Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



SuperS dexos1

Smittys

dexos1

5W-30

Global



SureGuard dexos1

Smittys

dexos1

5W-30

Global



SwissOil GEO Synthetic SN

SwissOil

dexos1

5W-30

SA, ME, Africa



Synergy Synthetic OE dexos1

Northland

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Syngard Full Synthetic

Cross Oil Refining and
Marketing, Inc.

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Triden Triad 5W-30

Lee Helms Incorporated

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Tuxton dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-20

N. America



Tuxton dexos1® Full Synthetic

Reliance Fluid Technologies

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Value Tech 100% Synthetic 5W30

Amalie

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Wolf's Head 100% Synthetic 5W30

Amalie

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



Xcel 100% Synthetic 5W30

Amalie

dexos1

5W-30

N. America



ZIC dexos1

SK Lubricants

dexos1

5W-30

Global















Licensed Brands updated as of March 18, 2013.



GM went with Shell to supply them a synthetic blend packaged as AC Delco Synthetic Blend. They award the supply contracts to the lowest bidder and Shell was able to make a blend that could pass the dexos requirement. GM does not recommend a full synthetic oil in any 2011 + vehicles.

Shell is the largest oil company in the world.

Marc NY
04-18-13, 08:37 PM
... Why is GM using a blend and not a Mobil1 requirement on their new 3.6? FWIW my VT dealer is charging the difference if Mobil1 is requested. Anybody?
Also mr Rippy my SRX has had Mobil1 changes when needed and it is definitely an oil user at 126k miles.GM Dextros synthetic oil blend is a much better blend than just standard oil. The reason why GM dealers charge more for the Mobil 1 is because it is more expensive than using GM's own Dextros oil. If a customer wants to spend the extra $$ for Mobil 1 then they have that option. As far as I am concerned GM warranties their engines for 100,000 with the blessing of their brand of oil so I am not worried. BTW: I do like Mobil 1 and I have used it in my 2004 SSR from day one! :thumbsup:

*Below is more information from GM's Dextros oil website.

http://www.gmdexos.com/

General Motors is committed to designing, building, and selling cars that perform well and last a long time – and to making the experience of owning a GM vehicle highly rewarding. GM is also working to make its vehicles more fuel efficient and emit fewer pollutants. A critical component of performance, longevity, and environmental sensitivity is the quality of the oil that goes into the car. The right oil will help your engine run well for a longer time; substandard oil could cause your engine to run poorly and may even damage it. Yet, in today’s market it’s not always possible to determine the quality of the oil you buy.

That’s why GM Powertrain engineers developed the dexos™ engine oil specification. The result is engine oil designed specifically for your GM engine, with added performance in areas important to its operation. dexos™ represents a high quality, robust oil formulated to some of the most rigorous specifications in the industry. And just like GM, dexos™ is global. GM wants to make sure that every GM car anywhere in the world has access to the highest quality oil formulated exclusively for GM engines.

dexos™ is designed to increase fuel efficiency, extend the life of your emissions system, require fewer oil changes, and produce fewer emissions. You save time and money, and your car performs the way it was designed to.

dexos™ is the best oil for any GM car. It’s that simple.

To ensure you are using the recommended oil for your GM car, choose authentic, licensed dexos™ oils. dexos™ is an exclusive trademark of General Motors. Only those oils displaying the green or blue dexos™ trademark and icon on the front label have been certified and licensed by GM as meeting the demanding performance requirements and stringent quality standards of the dexos™ specification. Other oils may make claims but have not gone through GM’s rigorous testing and quality control process.

adamjeeps
04-18-13, 09:20 PM
I can't find an oil level sensor/switch in the parts catalog

the owner's manual has been wrong in the past on various features etc that I wouldn't trust it

This begs the question: If one was to have engine failure related to low oil level, would GM say it was the owners fault for not checking the oil level? One could argue according to the manual, the car should have notified me of being low.

RippyPartsDept
04-18-13, 10:53 PM
you should also have been checking the oil level with the dipstick at regular intervals as the owners manual also states

i doubt you would get a warranty denied though if you had always done your oil changes on time and its documented

lots of people with the 1st gen CTS and SRX got warranty work done due to low engine oil situations
there was also warranty extensions and special coverage rebates that paid you back you if you had paid for a repair out of warranty before the extension was enacted

GGMiv
04-19-13, 09:37 PM
Marc, some of the LY7 3.6 engines consume oil

It is definitely true in the first generation SRXs. We have A 2008 that uses oil. Also, it is a frequent topic of conversation on the first generation boards. Our 2011 has the 3.0 engine and doesn't use much oil. Are you saying they haven't fixed the oil consumption/timing chain issues yet?

RippyPartsDept
04-19-13, 11:19 PM
The consumption issue had to so with break in - something that is out of any manufacturer's hands.

Most people don't notice it because they change their oil every 3000 miles

TheCaptain
04-20-13, 10:34 AM
Also the new SRX's with the 3.6 is the LFX is it not?

RippyPartsDept
04-20-13, 10:59 AM
Also the new SRX's with the 3.6 is the LFX is it not?

yes it is

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i should also add that compounding any break-in consumption issue there have been PCV oil vapor ingestion issues on various engines
DI engines are most affected by PCV oil vapor since the intake does not get 'washed' with fuel (but that's a whole other thread - and there are many already)

NotMine
04-23-13, 07:34 PM
Chris.....

Would a catch can provide some protection for the oil vapor ingestion on the DI engines?

I have one other GM car that has DI and, if it works, would install one. On another vehicle which does not have DI, I did install a catch can because I tend to "push" it a little harder:lildevil:.

Sorry, I just found the PM link. I should have sent my question to you with that link......keeping this thread "clean".

RippyPartsDept
04-24-13, 10:39 AM
no worries ... the catch can is an aftermarket item that can help with oil vapor ingestion ... many cans don't do that good of a job ... SC1250 (vendor RX on the forum here) sells probably the best one available at the best price ... i would recommend theirs before all others

ladypro
04-24-13, 11:37 AM
I've been relying on onstar diagnosis to tell me about oil life, can they be trusted?

RippyPartsDept
04-24-13, 11:42 AM
your DIC doesn't have an Oil Life readout?

adamjeeps
04-24-13, 11:43 AM
I've been relying on onstar diagnosis to tell me about oil life, can they be trusted?

They are simply relaying the information the vehicle info center provides to them. You can access it via the button on your turn signal.

That system will not provide any information on your oil level potentially being low. That is what the dipstick is for and maybe the message that says oil level low, but Chris is saying the SRX may not have that feature.

ladypro
04-25-13, 09:11 AM
i'm talking about the report they send me monthly via email which states oil life %

RippyPartsDept
04-25-13, 09:16 AM
That's the same info ... onstar just pulls it from your car ... you can view it any time you want by scrolling through the DIC info display

NotMine
04-25-13, 06:55 PM
I don't wish to start an "oil war" but IMO I would suggest changing the first oil change before the suggested schedule. I'm basing my opinion on 3 different SRX cars (two 2011's and my 2012) that had an oil analysis done.

I can provide some details by PM AND documentation, if anyone is interested.

RippyPartsDept
04-25-13, 07:15 PM
Why not post the details publicly?

NotMine
04-25-13, 09:26 PM
Don't wish to confuse the issue and start a "war". You know everyone has an opinion, and the thread could go off in another direction.

adamjeeps
04-25-13, 09:57 PM
Don't wish to confuse the issue and start a "war". You know everyone has an opinion, and the thread could go off in another direction.

Start a new thread with your findings. I have thought about using oil analysis but one of those million things I've never gotten around to doing!

RippyPartsDept
04-25-13, 10:17 PM
There's quite a few members here who have had oil analysis done. All of them seem to report that the oil life monitor is very accurate (as it should be) and has a good safety factor built in (as it is claimed to have been designed). As for further depth of analysis that gets a bit too esoteric for the average person but is definitely interesting to many.

TheCaptain
04-26-13, 09:28 AM
I've always wanted to see oil anyalysis results. The only thing is, you would have to drive essentially the exact same, and take the samples at the same relational time in order to get results that could compare.
(for example, I could do lots of stop and go city driving for the first oil change, and then lots of highway driving for the second oil change, and they will have drastically different results) Unless you sampled multiple times throughout your driving conditions, then just getting results by getting lots of sampled numbers and going for the average...

RippyPartsDept
04-26-13, 11:18 AM
I think the major benefit to samples is to see over time if anything is changing with how your engine is running and wearing

one sample might be able to tell you some good info
but over time how the sample data is changing will tell a much better story

NotMine
04-26-13, 05:20 PM
Agree with Chris above.

As an issue..... An oil analysis (actually several over a period of time) with continually escalating values, provided evidence to the dealer and ultimately GM that I had the infamous Dexcool/manifold problem on a 2001 Impala V-6. They repaired the car for free and just out of warranty (although I started my complaint while the warranty was still in effect).

ladypro
04-26-13, 06:51 PM
Manual In Brief pg1-23
Performance and Maintenance
the engine oil life system calculates engine oil life based on vehicle use and displays the Change Engine Oil Soon message when it is time to change the engine oil and filter. the engine oil life system should be reset to 100% only following an oil change

ladypro
04-27-13, 08:52 AM
that being said "no dip sticking for me"

RippyPartsDept
04-27-13, 11:24 AM
i don't follow ... are you saying that because the owners manual talks about "oil life" and the oil life monitor that you won't check the "oil level" with the dipstick?

Marc NY
04-27-13, 11:37 AM
that being said "no dip sticking for me"Hey that's no problem but I would definitely have your significant other or a friend check your oil level from time to time to make sure everything is OK. :)

adamjeeps
04-27-13, 11:40 AM
that being said "no dip sticking for me"

At least have someone check it when adding washer fluid or any other time hood is open.

redvett94
04-27-13, 12:38 PM
If you dont check the oil level and the engine burns up your on the hook for $4 to 6 grand in a new engine. Its your money not mine. Read your owners manual on how to check the oil.

ladypro
04-27-13, 02:38 PM
I did read it and it states "the Change Engine Oil Soon" message when it is time to change the engine oil and filter I have no worries my oil was changed in January and I've only put a 1000 mi. on the car since. i'm thinking I will only need one once a year unless the message pops up!

300:29:1
04-27-13, 04:30 PM
I did read it and it states "the Change Engine Oil Soon" message when it is time to change the engine oil and filter I have no worries my oil was changed in January and I've only put a 1000 mi. on the car since. i'm thinking I will only need one once a year unless the message pops up!
Unless Cadillac goes the way of BMW and removes the dipstick altogether, checking the oil is quick and a must. Doing this at least once a month is a good idea. As others have stated, the Driver Information Center is not necessarily going to let you know that the oil LEVEL is low. If any engine damage results from a low level of oil, it will deemed the owner's responsibility and not covered by any warranty. With the interval between oil changes being so long, it's definitely a good idea to get in the habit of checking that dipstick periodically.

ladypro
04-27-13, 05:15 PM
so you guys are saying it doesn't matter how many miles you drive, check it anyway. ok I checked and it is full guess my read out is working.

adamjeeps
04-27-13, 05:44 PM
so you guys are saying it doesn't matter how many miles you drive, check it anyway. ok I checked and it is full guess my read out is working.

The monitor in your information center does not monitor oil level. It monitors oil quality. An engine in theory is not supposed to use oil. You change oil because it gets dirty and loses its lubricating properties over time. This is the monitor that gradually goes down from 100% down to 0%.

Some vehicles, but apparently not the SRX, will also monitor oil level. Some engines can use oil before it is time to change it. What we are saying is you could be a quart or more low but not be due for an oil change. The oil life monitor we have would not know this. That is why it is important to check it periodically.

As far as running the oil too low and causing damage, that would be at the discretion of GM whether or not to honor a warranty. The manual does state there should be an oil level sensor but Chris is pretty sure it does not. Also, even if it did, sensors can fail, hence the need for a dipstick.

It was good you checked and try to check again in 1,000 miles to see if you use any oil.

Marc NY
04-27-13, 10:48 PM
... The manual does state there should be an oil level sensor but Chris is pretty sure it does not. Also, even if it did, sensors can fail, hence the need for a dipstick. It was good you checked and try to check again in 1,000 miles to see if you use any oil.Chris is correct, for my last visit to the dealer I asked the service guys if there was an oil level indicator light to warn the driver if their oil level was low. They said there are no warning indicator lights on the SRX. As for adamjeeps feedback his comments are very accurate indeed. :thumbsup:

Fun facts: According to automotive engineers the term "Dipstick" is actually referred to as an "Oil Level Indicator" stick. :D Another term that has changed over the years is when GM use to always use the term "motor" in describing their engines and their plants i.e. "Cadillac Motor Division" however a motor means electric and the term engine is used for gasoline powered, hence motor plants are now called Tonawanda Engine, Flint Engine and Romulus Engine etc etc ... and even the old term Rocker Cover is now commonly referred to as a Valve Cover. :) http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd198/MarcNY/Animation/Burnout.gif (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/MarcNY/media/Animation/Burnout.gif.html)

NotMine
04-30-13, 08:15 PM
Understand I'm not absolutely challenging this but, it appears the 2012 SRX has an OIL LEVEL SENSOR. I found a listing for an OIL LEVEL SENSOR at two on -line GM parts dealers (under electrical).......(it is part number 12639127)

Again, not saying it is absolute....aftermarket GM parts lists do make mistakes.:yup:




GM Original Equipment Replacement Parts

2012 CADILLAC SRX LUXURY



All Vehicles - 2012 - CADILLAC - SRX - LUXURY - ELECTRICAL - CHASSIS ELECTRICAL - SENDERS - OIL LEVEL SENSOR




ELECTRICAL
CHASSIS ELECTRICAL
SENDERS
OIL LEVEL SENSOR



Part # / Keyword Search

ELECTRICAL / CHASSIS ELECTRICAL / SENDERS / OIL LEVEL SENSOR



OIL LEVEL SENSOR SRX



MSRP

$33.48

$0.00

$7.72

$25.76

woodytwo
08-07-13, 05:34 PM
Just spent $4,500. on a replacement engine for my wife's Kia Rondo. It was a 2007 and 20,000 miles out of warranty. But was always serviced by the Kia Dealer where she bought. Engine came to a halt one day: Engine was checked and there was not a drop of oil in it. The Oil pressure idiot light did not come on not any other light for that matter. Shs had the oil changed just 6 weeks prior or 4,000 miles ago. Best bet was the clown that changed to oil, drained out the old but did not refill it. Dealer said there was a "leak" and would not do a thing about it. Nor would Kia either saying it was a dealer problem since it was out of warranty.

Who ever checks their oil level these days???


Lesson learned. 1. Check the oil level when you leave the dealer and 2. Check level monthly.


Yes, it could happen with my 2012 SRX.

adamjeeps
08-07-13, 06:41 PM
Woody we may have an oil level sensor on our SRXs. The manual says we do but it could be wrong. A member here says they found the part listed in the parts catalog so who knows. That's a hell of a leak that you didn't see on your driveway or garage floor.